Should anti-vaxers be denied ICU treatment for COVID?

[eagle1462010]

I feel sorry for your thinking capacity. Your brain was arrested by your irrational emotions.

I don't give a damn what you think Fascist........Most on this thread don't either.

Oh well........go play in traffic Fascist.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Your pointy brain did not notice that I am talking about denying unvaxed people ICU beds if they are hospitalized due to a COVID infection.

Whooshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...............................

Not surprised.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

You simple thinkers are ignoring the fact that many hospitals are overwhelmed! Can't treat everyone who goes there. Gotta choose.

Shut up and go and get today's booster.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

You are correct. Hospitals are overwhelmed and shorthanded. I hope you and I do not need to be hospitalized anytime soon.
Since the unvaxed make up most of those hospitalized due to COVID, it makes sense that they should be admitted ONLY if there's availability AFTER the vaccinated people are taken care of first.

Well, if that's the way you feel you won't mind people suffering from the vaccine denied medical care. They chose to take the vaccine, that heart attack or stroke is clearly their own fault

 

[Gracie]

You simple thinkers are ignoring the fact that many hospitals are overwhelmed! Can't treat everyone who goes there. Gotta choose.

I hope someone you love goes and they chose....someone else.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Hospitals and staff are overworked during this pandemic.
Urgent care resources should be dedicated (prioritized) to innocent or responsible people who take precautions.
If 95% of COVID hospitalizations are patients who refused to get related vaccines, then they should PAY for their freedom to be stupid.

I believe anti-vaxers should be DENIED hospital beds in the ICU unless they have a medically valid excuse.
Do you agree? If not, why not?

Medically, all should be treated, from a scratch on the hand, from attempted suicide, to a bad car crash. That's how it is and it's not feasible to pick and choose who to treat.

We in the UK have had melt downs in the press that the obese and smokers should have to pay for illnesses related to being overweight and the effects of smoke.

At the end of the day, we all pay our tax and health costs, so no one should denied anything.

Hospitals are there to save people, they're not there to be saved from a pandemic by the public. So they need to make sure they have sufficient resources and procedures in place. And for dismissing staff who made a choice not to receive a vaccination, My Body My Choice, never heard anything so stupid in my life

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Do we deny a heart transplant to a person who is much more sick than another one in need (unless it's a pig's heart)? Supply/Demand is REALITY, and if there is a shortage of ICU beds, then the "demand" from responsible people (vaxed) should be a factor for assigning LIMITED resources.

Absolutely not. Maybe in some socialist third world dump. Not here.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

I don't give a damn what you think Fascist........Most on this thread don't either.

Oh well........go play in traffic Fascist.

This thread is a complete waste of time because no one has ever proven

1 -- COVID even exists
2 -- The "vaccine" is actually a vaccine,
3 -- What is even in the "vaccine"
4 -- The "vaccine" is not killing those who take it

This thread is just another leftist plea for attention. "See me. I demand that you see me and how superior I am".

 

[Gracie]

This thread is a complete waste of time because no one has ever proven

1 -- COVID even exists
2 -- The "vaccine" is actually a vaccine,
3 -- What is even in the "vaccine"
4 -- The "vaccine" is not killing those who take it

This thread is just another leftist plea for attention. "See me. I demand that you see me and how superior I am".

That is another posters description, lol. Perhaps this one can be named Seee Meee number 2 since this one is full of shit and the other one isn't as bad as this one.

 

[BrunoGenovese]

You simple thinkers are ignoring the fact that many hospitals are overwhelmed! Can't treat everyone who goes there. Gotta choose.

Hospitals ARE indeed overwhelmed. We are not yet as bad as in other countries, but Omicron is taking us there.

Take this as a cautionary tale: A friend's brother had a stroke (in another country and not covid-related). It took him ***2 days*** to find an ICU bed anywhere in a 20 million people city, and had permanent damage because of it.

If enough people are unvaxed, unmasked and go to superspreader parties at least once a week (which is the main driver of hospital overcrowding in that country)... we will end up in the same situation.

I am not saying that people should be *forced* to vax, but they need to take responsibility for their actions, and if they *choose* to be reckless then hospitals should be free to choose if they want to prioritize those (vaxed and unvaxed) that help themselves by taking precautions... like prioritizing the ICU bed for a stroke (or other normal but severe illness) case ahead of covid patients.

 

[Gracie]

Yer not vaxxed, nor is yer family. Yer in a car. A drunk driver who is vaxxed smacks into you. Yer spouse is seriously injured, yer two kids have broken backs and legs. But...yer not vaxxed. So...according to the OP and to you...you don't get help cuz yer unvaxxed. Right?

 

[Gracie]

This thread reminds me of a twilight zone episode. Maybe a few will remember it. I think Vic Morrow was guest starring in that episode.

Anyway...he was a jew hater. He said those in the cattle cars deserved to be there because they were less than human..or some such. Well....being the Zone, guess who woke up from a nightmare that was not a nightmare but a glitch in time...and guess who was IN that fucking cattle car with Jews in the 1940's? Karma bites. Be careful what you think/feel/desire/demand/believe in. You might get a dose of your bigotry/nastiness/selfishness/hatefulness/ignorance.

 

[Gracie]

Been a long time so I got the story wrong, but here it is in all its glory.

Episode "A Quality of Mercy". This segment was also directed by John Landis.

Bill Connor is bitter after being passed over for a promotion in favor of a Jewish co-worker. Drinking in a bar after work with his friends, Bill utters slurs towards Jewish, black and Asian people. A black man sitting nearby asks him to stop. Bill leaves the bar angrily, and finds himself in Nazi-occupied France during World War II. A pair of SS officers patrolling the streets interrogate him. Bill can't answer satisfactorily since he doesn't speak German. A chase ensues, and Bill ends up on the ledge of a building, where he is shot at by the officers.

He falls from the ledge and lands in rural Alabama during the 1950s, where a group of Ku Klux Klansmen see him as an African-American man, whom they are about to lynch. Bill tells them he is white, to no avail. While trying to escape, he jumps into a lake and surfaces in a jungle during the Vietnam War, being fired at by American soldiers, one of whom throws a grenade. Instead of killing him, the grenade launches him into occupied France again. There he is captured by the SS officers and put into an enclosed railroad freight car, along with Jewish prisoners bound for a concentration camp. Bill sees the bar with his friends standing outside, looking for him. He screams for help, but they can't see or hear him or the train as it pulls away.


Yeah. It fits this thread and many others here.

 

[ClaireH]

Hospitals and staff are overworked during this pandemic.
Urgent care resources should be dedicated (prioritized) to innocent or responsible people who take precautions.
If 95% of COVID hospitalizations are patients who refused to get related vaccines, then they should PAY for their freedom to be stupid.

I believe anti-vaxers should be DENIED hospital beds in the ICU unless they have a medically valid excuse.
Do you agree? If not, why not?

Hospitals are full, at least in the ER, because a large majority of uninsured use and abuse the ER. I’ve read claims that some states require an agreement to sign for making payments to pay off the bill, but the ball drops. Others abuse the ER on the weekend when they should just wait to go to their primary care doctor the next day, but some people are overly cautious. Many other cases of slightly ill people taking up beds needed by others. I can’t tell you the number of times I have been in the ER with family members to see this play out. I once saw a mom bring in her young son who had cut his arm but did not need stitches. I can only assume that the family did not have bandages at home or she was an overly concerned mom unfamiliar with superficial cuts.

 

[hadit]

Hospitals and staff are overworked during this pandemic.
Urgent care resources should be dedicated (prioritized) to innocent or responsible people who take precautions.
If 95% of COVID hospitalizations are patients who refused to get related vaccines, then they should PAY for their freedom to be stupid.

I believe anti-vaxers should be DENIED hospital beds in the ICU unless they have a medically valid excuse.
Do you agree? If not, why not?

If you adhere to the idea that medical care is a universal right (as many on the left do), absolutely not.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Yer not vaxxed, nor is yer family. Yer in a car. A drunk driver who is vaxxed smacks into you. Yer spouse is seriously injured, yer two kids have broken backs and legs. But...yer not vaxxed. So...according to the OP and to you...you don't get help cuz yer unvaxxed. Right?

That's the way (uh-huh, uh-huh)
They want it (uh-huh, uh-huh)

Pretty fucking sick that the murderous drunk driver in your hypothetical situation has more rights than the innocent family.

Pretty fucking sick that the murderous fucking vax-zombie posters get to keep flapping their undead lips, but hey, there's that pesky freedom of speech thing and they actually have the same rights as real people..

 

[JustAGuy1]

This ship has sailed. The SC handled it.

 

[Gracie]

Oh, yeah, in my hypothetical..the DUI guy was alone....and vaxxed. HE got help. See, they had to pick and choose and they chose the vaxxed drunk over the fucked up permanently disabled family.

 

[ClaireH]

Hospitals ARE indeed overwhelmed. We are not yet as bad as in other countries, but Omicron is taking us there.

Take this as a cautionary tale: A friend's brother had a stroke (in another country and not covid-related). It took him ***2 days*** to find an ICU bed anywhere in a 20 million people city, and had permanent damage because of it.

If enough people are unvaxed, unmasked and go to superspreader parties at least once a week (which is the main driver of hospital overcrowding in that country)... we will end up in the same situation.

I am not saying that people should be *forced* to vax, but they need to take responsibility for their actions, and if they *choose* to be reckless then hospitals should be free to choose if they want to prioritize those (vaxed and unvaxed) that help themselves by taking precautions... like prioritizing the ICU bed for a stroke (or other normal but severe illness) case ahead of covid patients.

So if I’m reading you right you are in the court that backs that healthcare is not a right is that correct?

 

[JustAGuy1]

So if I’m reading you right you are in the court that backs that healthcare is not a right is that correct?

We just had a family member here get out of one of Omaha's biggest Hospitals, they didn't have a single Covid case