"If you're going to say we have a spending problem, articulate what precisely we are spending too much on. attacking ss/m.aid/m.care cost republicans the election, tanf has a work component so attacking welfare doesnt work anymore, and the military is a sacred cow to republicans so that pretty much eliminates everything." ReallyMeow
Making the point that unless we reform entitlements we as a nation will become insolvent may have cost Republicans the last election, ReallyMeow but that's only because there are so many totally clueless people like yourself who think we can continue on the way we are. The fact that the Left accused everyone who called on us to do the fiscally sane thing and fix entitlements, of trying to "gut" Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid and got away with it doesn't make it so.
Once again you've let your political beliefs trump common sense and simple math.
The notion that you need me to explain to you HOW it is the our Federal Government is wasting money tells me you're not being serious about a serious issue. The inefficiency of Washington is staggering to be quite honest with you. We blow money on things that are so ridiculous that it boggles the mind when we're already so far in debt. The waste is so rampant and ingrained into the government culture that my solution would be automatic across the board cuts to all departments...and yes, that would include the military. Politicians always have an excuse why their pet project or department shouldn't face the budget ax. It's obvious they don't have the backbone to make the cuts that are needed so I would take that decision right out of their hands. If Barack Obama were REALLY a leader and REALLY cared about fixing the deficit he'd hold everyone in governments feet to the fire and force them to clean up their act. That won't happen though because Barry likes big government...the bigger the better. Instead of shrinking the deficit he's increasing it dramatically.
My point exactly, you cant name ONE. Do you think everyone forgot how republicans spent us into this hole in the first place? You're not fooling anyone.
Then why from the start of Reagan to 08 did we have historical growth?
b/c a republican unleashed the free market.
Not really
Republicans built the national debt, idiot. Everytime we had a red president, they ramped the deficit up, everytime there was a blue president, deficit reduction was their agenda and they succeeded at it. The deficit was nothing which bush came in and was 1.4t when he left- if you think obama can just turn off a 1.4t budgetary shortfall by flicking his wrist, you are a colossal idiot; and if you have a problem with a democrat being left a 1.4t mess, then you would have a problem with the republicans making that mess if you wernt a hypocrate. Republicans built the debt as part of their strategy to destroy America: .
You prove again and again how stupid and clueless you are.
Total debt at the end of 2008 was $10T. Now it is 17.5T. Who was president during that time? Who ran Congress for most of that time? What steps did Obama take to rein in spending? This is pretty simple, except if you're a partisan fucktard like you.
US Federal Debt by Year 2008_2017 - Charts Tables History
U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time
it was 10.5t, now its 16.5t. bush is the one who left the country in shambles. Its not a spending problem, retard, the economy imploded, so revenues are gutted. Thats on top of the trickle down nonsense not paying out.
I noticed you were responding to oldstyle. He has again said that there was no such thing as Trickle Down Economics. Which is, in a way, sort of true. There was a named theory, but it never worked. But the big lie is when Oldstyle tells you that it was a theory invented by critics of supply side economics. It was NOT. It was a theory developed by republicans to help sell supply side economics. From what most believe, first used in a speech by David Stockman, Reagan's budget director.
The problem that Oldstyle has is that there is only one source for his statement that trickle down was invented by critics of supply side. That source is a Libertarian Economist by the name of Sowell, who has very, very close ties to CATO and the Koch brothers. Now, if you are an economist, the best way to make big money is to advocate for CATO. Makes you kind of wonder, though I have no proof that Sowell actually gets paid to say what they want him to say. He does, but I can not prove why.
Now there may be other sources for Oldstyle's contention. But he has been unable to provide that source. And I have been unable to find it. However, the conventional wisdom say that there is no truth to Oldstyle"s contention at all. For instance, if I wanted to know for sure who penned the term Trickle Down, I would go back to the time when it started being used. Which was during the Reagan admin. And I would talk to someone that I could find (many have died) and ask them. For instance, I might try the budget director appointed by Reagan, David Stockman. And I would find, without any question, that Trickle Down was invented and named by Republicans just as we have always known. Here is a link to Stockman discussing the matter:
David Stockman | Guests | BillMoyers.com
Here is another source that says that the term was first used by stockman, and why:
""Trickle Down Economics was coined from a speech made by David Stockman, who was Ronald Reagan's chief economic advisor. He painted supply side economics as part of a long tradition in economics; that laissez-faire will benefit not just those well-placed in the market (the rich) but also the poorest. The general principle is well said in (Bernard de Mandeville, The Grumbling Hive (1733)) "private vices are public virtues". Because the wealthy spend lavishly and employ others, benefitting the rich, benefits the poor.
Trickle down was used to justify a range of changes under both British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and President Ronald Reagan, specifically those which attempted to break the power of unions, reduce impediments to hiring and firing, reducing environmental regulation, and pursue a less anti-corporate stance to legislation and economic policy overall."
Reformed Leftist (& Friends): What "Trickle Down" Theory?
So, oldstyle will be back with his theory of why trickle down came from critics of Supply Side economics. But he will have no nonpartisan support. Anyway, I always thought you should believe those who were there, rather than those who were not.
