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[2aguy]

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Antioch, Tennessee, September 24, 2017 (Chicago Tribune, Daily Caller) (the above picture shows a picture of Samson after he received treatment for his minor wound)
A 25-year-old shooter, Emanuel Kidega Samson, killed one person in the parking lot, entered the church, and started shooting. A 22-year-old usher, Robert Engle, tried to wrestle with the shooter, but Samson is a very large bodybuilder, and Engle realized that he was not strong enough to stop him. During the scuffle, Samson pistol wiped Engle causing him to bleed from his head. Samson also shot himself, causing very minor wounds to his chest and arm. Engle then ran to his car and got his permitted concealed handgun. The usher came back into the church and confronted the attacker, holding him there at gunpoint until police arrived. With one dead and seven wounded, the attack could have been much worse.

Don Aaron, a spokesman for the Metropolitan Nashville Police Department, said Samson drove up to the church and shot and killed a woman who was standing near her vehicle in the parking lot. The shooter — who police said was armed with two handguns — then entered the church through a rear door, shooting and wounding six people inside.
At some point, the gunman also pistol-whipped a church usher, causing “significant injuries” to the man, Aaron said. The usher, 22-year-old Robert “Caleb” Engle, confronted the gunman, police said, and during a struggle, Samson was injured with a shot from his own gun. The usher then ran to his car and retrieved a handgun, police said.
Aaron said the usher ensured the gunman did not make any more movements until officers arrived on the scene. “It would appear he was not expecting to encounter a brave individual like the church usher,” Aaron said.
Police Chief Steve Anderson praised Engle for intervening: “We believe he is the hero today.” . . .

Video of Police Chief Steve Anderson’s comments:

He is the hero here. He is the person who stopped this madness in its tracks.

Arlington, Texas, May 3, 2017 (Dallas Morning News)
This attack was stopped before more than one person was killed. Yet, the police spokesman made it clear that the concealed handgun permit holder “prevented further loss of life” and that the killer was “shooting at the front door” at the customers who were fleeing the restaurant. The headline on the Dallas Morning News story was: “‘Hero’ stopped mass murder by crazed bar patron who was armed to the teeth, police say.” Emphasis added in quotes below.

A concealed carry holder is being heralded as a “hero” by Arlington police for preventing mass murder by killing an “incoherent” gunman at a bar Wednesday evening.
Before he was shot about 6:15 p.m., the gunman killed the manager of Zona Caliente in the 6500 block of South Cooper Street, police spokesman Christopher Cook said.
Police later identified the gunman as 48-year-old James Jones of Grand Prairie and the victim as 37-year-old Cesar Perez of Duncanville. The man who killed Jones has not been identified.
Authorities later found two loaded guns and two knives on Jones, Cook said Thursday.
“We do believe he had the capacity to do much greater harm,” Cook said.

“After he was struck once, the suspect started shooting at the front door,” Cook told the Arlington Voice. “We know people were trying to escape, but we’re not sure if he was just trying to harm others.”
More than a dozen customers and a handful of employees were in the sports bar at the time of the shooting.
Cook said the customer, who was dining with his wife, “prevented further loss of life.” . . .

Another story in the Arlington Voice mentioned this:

“Had the Good Samaritan not intervened, there could have further loss of life,” Cook said.
Jones did not have a license to carry. . . .

From the Fort Worth Star-Telegram

“because he engaged the shooter there was no further loss of life.”

Other stories are available here and here.

Townville Elementary School, September 28, 2016 (FBI report on active shooter incidents for 2016-17)

From the FBI report on page 5.

On September 28, 2016, at 1:45 p.m., Jesse Dewitt Osborne, 14, armed with a handgun, allegedly began shooting at the Townville Elementary School playground in Townville, South Carolina. Prior to theshooting, the shooter, a former student, killed his father at their home. Two people were killed, includingone student; three were wounded, one teacher and two students. A volunteer firefighter, who possessed a valid firearms permit, restrained the shooter until law enforcement officers arrived and apprehended him.

Lyman, South Carolina, June 30, 2016 (Fox Carolina)
Just a couple of weeks after the Orlando massacre, man, 32-year-old Jody Ray Thompson, started shooting at others at another nightclub. Fortunately, unlike Florida, permitted concealed handguns were allowed in bars in South Carolina. Before he could shoot a fourth person, the permit holder was able to shoot back, wounding Thompson in the leg.

“His rounds struck 3 victims, and almost struck a fourth victim, who in self-defense, pulled his own weapon and fired, striking Thompson in the leg,” Lt. Kevin Bobo said.
Bobo said the man who shot Thompson has a valid concealed weapons permit, cooperated with investigators, and won’t be facing any charges. . . . .

Also this

and at least one South Carolina sheriff [is] crediting a man with a concealed carry permit with preventing further violence at a nightclub . . .

Winton, Ohio, Sunday, July 26, 2015, Fox 19 in Cincinnati and Fox News
The shooter in this case directly fired at four different people. Fortunately, because of the permit holder’s quick actions, no one was seriously injured.

[Thomas] McCary [62-years-old] was arguing with a woman around 8 p.m. Sunday night and, when the woman’s brother, Patrick Ewing, approached, McCary pulled out a .38-caliber handgun and fired three shots at him, Cincinnati police said.
Ewing didn’t get hit, but he did get his own gun and returned fire, wounding McCary in the leg. Ewing had a permit to carry a concealed weapon.
Injured, McCary went into his house to get a second gun and, holding a weapon in each hand, he fired three shots in the direction of the woman, Jeaneta Walker, her 1-year-old son and a third man.
Ewing fired at McCary again to try to distract him as the victims fled indoors. McCary squeezed off a few more rounds, hitting no one, before withdrawing into his apartment, Cincinnati.com reported. . . .

Conyers, Georgia, Sunday, May 31, 2015, The Rockdale Citizen
Often it is claimed that citizens who stop mass public shootings don’t get news coverage because they stop anyone from being killed. But in this case two people were killed before the permit holder was able to stop the attack.

A customer who fired back at the suspect who killed two people in a Ga. Highway 20 liquor store Sunday afternoon is being hailed as a hero.
Rockdale County Sheriff Eric Levett said at a press conference Monday that Todd C. Scott, 44, a resident of Covington, very likely prevented other customers in the store from losing their lives.
Levett said store video from Magnet Bottle Shop showed that the suspect, Jeffrey Scott Pitts, 36, came in the store Sunday afternoon firing a handgun.
“I believe that if Mr. Scott did not return fire at the suspect then more of those customers would have hit by a gun,” said [Rockdale County Sheriff Eric Levett]. “It didn’t appear that he cared who he shot or where he was shooting until someone was shooting back at him. So in my opinion he saved other lives in that store.”

From the Atlanta Journal-Constitution:

Pitts fled after another patron, Todd C. Scott, of Covington, opened fire with his own hand gun. It is still unclear whether Aikens died before or after Scott returned fire with Pitts, but the sheriff credited Scott with saving lives.
“I consider him to be a hero,” [Rockdale County Sheriff Eric Levett] said.

New Holland, Wisconsin, May 5th, 2015, Fox Carolina (cases such as this where the people who stopped the attack didn’t fire a gun don’t tend to get that much news attention):

FOX Carolina 21: “CWPs likely stopped deaths of children, firefighters”
Firefighters said they may have stopped a massacre after a gunman surprised them at their station Tuesday.
The Aiken County Sheriff’s Office said deputies responded to the New Holland Fire Department’s Station 2 around 6:30 p.m. for a report of shots fired.
Firefighters said Chad Barker pulled up to the crowded fire station parking lot full of children and firefighters, got out of his car, and began firing in the air and at his vehicle. They say he also pointed the firearm at individual firefighters for lengthy periods of time.
“I came out of the office, saw the man with the gun, told everybody to leave out the back quickly that there was a man in the parking lot with a gun, and I was not kidding,” said Gary Knoll, a firefighter for New Holland.
Knoll said he and another firefighter who have concealed weapons permits pulled their guns on the gunman.
Knoll said Barker returned to his vehicle and firefighters carefully followed him with their weapons still drawn. After encouraging Barker to put the gun down, Knoll said Barker ultimately complied and Knoll grabbed the gun. . . .

Chicago, Illinois, April 19, 2015, Chicago Sun-Times
An Uber driver with a permitted concealed handgun stopped what likely would have been a mass public shooting. Police arrived on the scene quickly, but the Uber driver had still already taken care of the situation before they arrived. From Mitch Dudek in the Chicago Sun-Times (April 19, 2015):

An Uber driver put his concealed carry permit to use Friday night when he pulled a gun and opened fire on a man he saw firing a pistol into a group of people on a Logan Square sidewalk, according to prosecutors.
Six blasts from his gun injured a 22-year-old man identified as Everardo Custodio.
Custodio suffered wounds to his shin, knee and lower back . . . Cook County Judge Peggy Chiampas refused to grant [Custodio] bail on charges of aggravated battery with a firearm and illegal possession of a firearm.
The 47-year-old Uber driver “was acting in self-defense and in the defense of others,” Assistant State’s Attorney Barry Quinn said. . . .
The Uber driver had dropped off a passenger minutes before the shooting occurred, said Uber spokeswoman Jen Mullin. She had no comment on the driver’s actions other than to say the company requires all its drivers to abide by local, state and federal laws pertaining to transporting firearms in vehicles. . . .
Police patrolling the area heard the shots and arrived to find Custodio on the ground and bleeding. Police also recovered a handgun found near Custodio, Quinn said. . . .
[The Uber driver is] a registered gun owner who has a concealed carry license. He doesn’t face any charges. . . .

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, March 22, 2015, NBC Channel 10:

A 40-year-old man was inside Falah Barber Shop Inc. on the 600 block of Preston Street shortly before 3 p.m. Sunday when police say he began fighting with another person inside. . . .
The fight quickly escalated and the 40-year-old man took out his gun and opened fire on customers and barbers, police said. , , ,
As he was shooting, another man outside heard the gunfire, ran into the shop and took out his own gun, according to investigators. He then opened fire, striking the 40-year-old man once in the chest. . . .
“The person who responded was a legal gun permit carrier,” said Philadelphia Police Captain Frank Llewellyn. “He responded and I guess he saved a lot of people in there.“

Darby, Pennsylvania, July 25, 2014
John Lott in the Philadelphia Inquirer (Other details on the case are available here).

The attacker, Richard Plotts, is a convicted felon, which bans him from legally owning a gun. . . .
At Mercy Fitzgerald, caseworker Theresa Hunt was killed when Plotts opened fire during a regularly scheduled appointment with Dr. Lee Silverman. Fortunately, the doctor had his own gun and returned fire, hitting Plotts three times and critically wounding him.
After firing all the bullets in his gun, Plotts still had 39 bullets on him, bullets that he could have used to shoot many other people . . .

According to the Associated Press:

“Without a doubt, I believe the doctor saved lives,” said Yeadon police chief Donald Molineux, according to the Associated Press.
“Without that firearm, [the shooter] could have went out in the hallway and just walked down the offices until he ran out of ammunition,” Molineux said. . . .

Read more: Doctor ‘Saved Lives’ By Shooting Hospital Gunman

Chicago, Illinois, July 7, 2014, from Geoff Ziezulewicz in the Chicago Tribune:

A Gresham man fired on a group of people leaving a party, only to be shot himself by one of the victims, a military service member with a concealed carry permit, authorities said.
The military member and three others were leaving a party Friday night . . .
One of the victims had noticed a cup of liquor on top of her vehicle and asked attendees of a party next door who it belonged to, Hain said.
When she removed it, Denzel A. Mickiel approached her, shouting obscenities and threatening her and her friends, according to Hain and court records. . . .
As Mickiel fired at the victims’ vehicle, the military member retrieved his gun and took cover near the vehicle’s front fender, according to Hain. Two unidentified people also shot at the group, she said.
The military service member fired two shots and struck Mickiel twice, she said.
A 22-year-old woman in the group was injured by Mickiel in the shooting, suffering wounds to the arm and back, according to court records and Hain.
The four victims escaped the melee in two vehicles as two unidentified people continued to shoot at them, Hain said. . . .

Portland, Oregon, January 11, 2014, Oregonian
Thomas Eliot Hjelmeland, 43-years-old, was ejected from a nightclub, but he returned 30 minutes later with a gun and wearing a mask. He shot the bouncer who had ejected him and shot at others. The bouncer was shot in the head and critically wounded. Two others were also wounded: one patron in the foot and a waitress, who had been standing at the front of the club, in both of her legs. Hjelmeland was on probation at the time of the incident. Given that Hjelmeland was shooting people all around the club, Bouncer Jonathan Baer, a concealed handgun permit holder who fatally shot Hjelmeland, appears to have had good reason to fear that other people at the front of the club would also have been shot by Hjelmeland.

Here is a February 1, 2014, article in the Oregonian.

Baer, 31, followed the masked gunman out of the club’s interior doors to the entrance foyer and drew his own Glock .40-caliber pistol from his hip. He looked back one or two times to check on Rizzo, who hadn’t gotten up.
While using one foot to prop open the club’s inner door, Baer said he saw the masked man reach the front door. The man stopped and looked as if he were going to turn around. Baer said he leaned forward and fired two to three rounds.
Baer, who has a concealed handgun license, . . .
Baer later explained to detectives that he had thought about two dancers and two customers who were standing outside the club smoking. He said he didn’t want anyone else to get hurt. . . .

And this January 21, 2014, article in the Oregonian.

Club co-owner Connie Barnes said she did not know Baer was armed that night, but she called him a hero.
In a Facebook post, Baer wrote, “I did what I felt was right to stop the shooter…I carry every day, and will continue to, and will so with the hope that I will NEVER have to pull it out again.” . . .

Plymouth, Pennsylvania, September 2012
The article by Bob Kalinowski Citizensvoice.com states:

. . . It’s the gun prosecutors said Ktytor used to put an end to a 26-year-old man’s shooting rampage on Sept. 9, 2012 in Plymouth.
Ever since Ktytor, who has a concealed carry license, dropped the killer with several shots on Main Street in Plymouth, . . .
In October, the murder suspect, William Allabaugh of Plymouth, pleaded guilty to third-degree murder and attempted murder, then was sentenced to 25 to 50 years in state prison.
Authorities say Allabaugh critically wounded Stephen Hollman, 30, by shooting him in the head inside Bonnie’s Food and Spirits on Main Street. A short time later, Allabaugh fatally shot Scott Luzetsky, 39, outside the bar. Police said both victims were innocent bystanders who didn’t provoke the attack by Allabaugh, who was angered he was being kicked out of the bar.

More importantly, see this (emphasis added):

“The video footage and the evidence reveals that Mr. Allabaugh had turned around and was reapproaching the bar. Mr. [Ktytor] then acted, taking him down. We believe that it could have been much worse that night,” Luzerne County A.D.A. Jarrett Ferentino said.

Early, Texas, August 2012, KTXS ABC Channel 12:

An armed citizen, Vic Stacy, shot and stopped a deranged man who had just murdered two neighbors and was firing at police with a rifle. Stacy made a very long shot with his revolver, three times as far as the perpetrator was from the police officer, who had an AR-15 type rifle.

Santa Clara, California, July 26, 2012, Reuters:

. . . 21-year-old Richard Gable Stevens, was subdued after tense moments Monday evening at a shooting range and gun store in this town 30 miles (48 km) south of San Francisco.
“He intended to go out in a blaze of glory,” Morec said, noting Stevens had accumulated more than 100 rounds of ammunition for his rented 9mm semi-automatic weapon.
“It certainly looks like he intended to take a lot more people out.”. . . .
After several minutes on the range, however, Stevens returned to the club’s gun store and shot at the ceiling. He then herded three store employees out the door into an alley, saying he intended to kill them, Morec said.
Unknown to Stevens, one store employee was carrying a .45 caliber handgun concealed beneath his shirt. When Stevens looked away, the employee fired, hitting Stevens several times in the chest and bringing him to the ground. . . . .

Salt Lake, April 27, 2012, ABC Channel 4
he Original story is no longer available, but this is its content:

A citizen with a gun stopped a knife wielding man as he began stabbing people Thursday evening at the downtown Salt Lake City Smith’s store. Police say the suspect purchased a knife inside the store and then turned it into a weapon. Smith’s employee Dorothy Espinoza says, “He pulled it out and stood outside the Smiths in the foyer. And just started stabbing people and yelling you killed my people. You killed my people.” Espinoza says, the knife wielding man seriously injured two people. “There is blood all over. One got stabbed in the stomach and got stabbed in the head and held his hands and got stabbed all over the arms.” Then, before the suspect could find another victim – a citizen with a gun stopped the madness. “A guy pulled gun on him and told him to drop his weapon or he would shoot him. So, he dropped his weapon and the people from Smith’s grabbed him.” . . .
Another media report is available here: Lt. Brian Purvis noted “This was a very volatile situation that could have gotten even worse. We can only assume, judging from what we saw, that it could have gotten a lot worse so he [the permit holder] was definitely in the right place at the right time.” A brief description is available here.

Aurora, Colorado, April 2012, Fox 31 Denver by Tammy Vigil:

Kiarron Parker rammed his car into another in the church parking lot, got out and attempted to kill multiple church members. He was only able to kill one before a member of the congregation, the nephew of the lady killed, and an off duty police officer, drew his handgun and shot Parker, stopping the killing.

Spartanburg, South Carolina, March 2012, article by Jenny Arnold at GoUpState.com (see also here):

. . . About 11:20 a.m., Jesse Gates returned to the church. The Rev. Guyton’s grandson, Aaron Guyton, 26, was in the recreation building separate from the church and saw Gates get a shotgun from the trunk of his car.
“At that point, I knew I had to do something,” Aaron Guyton said. “I wanted to try to contain him outside.”
Aaron Guyton went into the main building and locked the doors.
Henry Guyton said he was in the pulpit, preaching about how Jesus spoke the word of God and healed the sick, when Gates kicked open the side door of the sanctuary and entered with the shotgun, pointing it at the pastor and congregation.
Church members, including Aaron Guyton, a concealed weapons permit holder, acted quickly.
Aaron Guyton held Gates at gunpoint, as church members Jesse Smith and Leland Powers held him on the floor and waited for deputies to arrive. The Rev. Guyton said he stepped onto a chair, climbed down a 3-foot bannister surrounding the pulpit and took the shotgun from Jesse Gates. . . .
No shots were fired and no one was injured, according to deputies.
During a news conference Sunday, Wright called Aaron and Henry Guyton, Jesse Smith and Leland Powers “everyday heroes.” . . .

Oklahoma City, December 2009, KWTV NEWS Channel 9:

. . . Police said the man started firing multiple shots in the parking lot of the Tammaron Village apartments around 4 p.m. Thursday.
Witnesses said the man initially went into the apartment complex’s main office. When employees locked him out, he opened fire in the parking lot.
As the man was firing shots, another citizen armed with a gun came around the corner and ordered the gunman to put his weapon down. The gunman dropped his weapon and ran into his father’s apartment and barricaded himself inside. . . .

Richmond, Virginia, July 2009 (this first description is based on a video of the shooting and a talk on the attack is here):

The gun owner was in the store [the Golden Market] waiting in line to pay for an item when the bad guy came in wearing dark sunglasses and trying to coverup his face while brandishing a revolver. The [bad guy] yelled for everyone to get down and before anybody could react, immediately walked over to the store owner and in a cold-blooded fashion shot him twice. The owner then dropped down behind the counter. . . .
The [bad guy] ran towards the back of the store, aiming his gun at an innocent man laying prone on the floor. Luckily the [bad guy] was too distracted by the [gun owner] to shoot the man. There is no doubt in my mind that the man would have been shot in cold blood that day if it weren’t for that [gun owner] returning fire. . . .
As he approached the front of one aisle, he again pointed a gun at a person on the ground and was about to execute him, when he was again distracted by the [gun owner]. . . .

College Park (near Atlanta), Georgia, May 7, 2009, WSB-TV 2

“Apparently, his intent was to rape and murder us all,” said student Charles Bailey.
Bailey said he thought it was the end of his life and the lives of the 10 people inside his apartment for a birthday party after two masked men with guns burst in through a patio door.
“They just came in and separated the men from the women and said, ‘Give me your wallets and cell phones,’” said George Williams of the College Park Police Department.
Bailey said the gunmen started counting bullets. “The other guy asked how many (bullets) he had. He said he had enough,” said Bailey.
That’s when one student grabbed a gun out of a backpack and shot at the invader who was watching the men. The gunman ran out of the apartment. . . .

More information is available from WFXI in Atlanta:

The resident of the apartment, Charles Bailey, told police that he thought it was the end of his life. He and ten other people were in his apartment celebrating at a birthday party when two masked gunmen burst through the patio door. . . .
Bailey further informed authorities that the suspects counted their bullets. Apparently Hill was guarding the men when one of the victims retrieved a gun from a backpack and turned the tables on the situation. Hill reportedly fled the scene.The victim with the gun then proceeded to the next room where Lavant had watch over the females at the party.The guy was apparently was about to rape one of the females, said Bailey. . . .
Bailey said if not for the quick thinking of that party goer, it is likely that all the victims would have been killed. I am thankful that one student risked his life for others. . . .

 

[2aguy]

Robber stopped....likely permanently....

Philadelphia customer walks in on robbery at takeout restaurant, shoots suspect dead: police

A customer who walked into a robbery happening at a Philadelphia takeout restaurant shot and killed the armed suspect and will likely not face charges, authorities said.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Vagabond63]

Gosh, two whole pages of propaganda fron the "firehose". So how many of these "killers" were law abiding citizens with legal firearms, until they started shooting?

Still, allegedly with 1.1 million DGUs to chose from every year, seems a bit strange that many of these stories are from a decade or so ago...

 

[Vagabond63]

Meanwhile, the other side of the coin, in an America awash with guns, it appears that this woman shot her attacker in “self-defence”. Gosh how heroic…until the shooting victim survives to reveal the woman was just angry that he smoked her pot… Laurel woman accused in shooting denies charges

 

[Vagabond63]

Sad. Another "responsible gun owner" tragedy. https://6abc.com/2-year-old-dead-child-father-charged-bucks-county-death/8467253/ If only he'd had proper training in how to handle and store his gun.

 

[Vagabond63]

Saw this the other day. Well worth a watch.

 

[2aguy]

Sad. Another "responsible gun owner" tragedy. Autopsy confirms 2-year-old in Bucks County died of gunshot wound If only he'd had proper training in how to handle and store his gun.

You can't cover 1.1 million times a year that Americans use their legal guns to save lives.....you just can't find the criminals who use guns illegally to make those 1.1 million Americans with their legal guns disappear..........and that is just one study out of 17 on the topic.......

 

[2aguy]

Sad. Another "responsible gun owner" tragedy. Autopsy confirms 2-year-old in Bucks County died of gunshot wound If only he'd had proper training in how to handle and store his gun.

If he had wanted that training it is available to all Americans, you ignorant twit......you can't cure stupid.......

You still can't get rid of the fact that Americans use their legal guns to save lives on average 1.1 million times a year.......lives saved from rape, robbery and murder.......lives that are not changed by violent criminals....

And again......since you still refuse to answer these questions....I will repeat them...

Which is better for you.......a woman is brutally raped, tortured and murdered, or she uses a legal gun to save herself?

If a woman uses a gun to save herself from a violent rape, would you go back in time and take that gun away from her.....?

 

[2aguy]

Meanwhile, the other side of the coin, in an America awash with guns, it appears that this woman shot her attacker in “self-defence”. Gosh how heroic…until the shooting victim survives to reveal the woman was just angry that he smoked her pot… Laurel woman accused in shooting denies charges

American has over 600 million guns in private hands......over 19.4 million Americans can legally carry a gun in public for self defense...

Over the last 27 years...what has happened while Americans are buying and carrying guns?

Gun murder down 49%.

Gun crime down 75%.

Violent crime down 72%.

Gun ownership does not increase violent crime or gun crime. Normal people who own and carry guns do not use them to commit crime.

Nothing you believe about guns is even remotely true or accurate.....

Meanwhile, in Britain....your police can't stop the flood of illegal guns entering Britain......

Police struggle to stop flood of firearms into UK

Police and border officials are struggling to stop a rising supply of illegal firearms being smuggled into Britain, a senior police chief has warned.

Chief constable Andy Cooke, the national police lead for serious and organised crime, said law enforcement had seen an increased supply of guns over the past year, and feared that it would continue in 2019

The Guardian has learned that the situation is so serious that the National Crime Agency has taken the rare step of using its legal powers to direct every single police force to step up the fight against illegal guns.

The NCA has used tasking powers to direct greater intelligence about firearms to be gathered by all 43 forces in England and Wales.

Another senior law enforcement official said that “new and clean” weapons were now being used in the majority of shootings, as opposed to guns once being so difficult to obtain that they would be “rented out” to be used in multiple crimes.

Cooke, the Merseyside chief constable, told the Guardian: “We in law enforcement expect the rise in new firearms to continue. We are doing all we can. We are not in a position to stop it anytime soon.

“Law enforcement is more joined up now than before, but the scale of the problem is such that despite a number of excellent firearms seizures, I expect the rise in supply to be a continuing issue.”

The increasing supply of guns belies problems with UK border security and innovations by organised crime gangs. Smugglers have increasingly found new ways and innovative routes to get guns past border defences.

Cooke said that the dynamics of the streets of British cities had changed and that criminals were more willing to use guns: “If they bring them in people will buy them. It’s a kudos thing for organised criminals.”

Simon Brough, head of firearms at the NCA, said: “The majority of guns being used are new, clean firearms ... which indicates a relatively fluid supply.”

He said shotguns were 40% of the total, with an increase in burglaries to try and steal them.

Handguns are the next biggest category, most often smuggled in from overseas, with ferry ports such as Dover being a popular entry point into the UK for organised crime groups:

“We’re doing a lot to fight back against it,” Brough said, adding that compared to other European countries, the availability in the UK was relatively lower.
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[irosie91]

You have no evidence that any crime is getting worse. In fact the lockdown has led to a reduction in crime. Probably in the US as well.

not in my town-----crime is up---especially physical
assault and robbery. The policy imposed from ABOVE is------"don't report it and don't indict" ------the policy sometimes results in GOOD STATS

 

[Vagabond63]

Over the last 27 years...what has happened while Americans are buying and carrying guns?

Gun murder down 49%.

Gun crime down 75%.

Violent crime down 72%.

Gun ownership does not increase violent crime or gun crime.

More repeated BS from our own "firehose of falsehood". There is no correlation between gun ownership and the decline in crime rate over the last 27 years.

 

[Vagabond63]

You have no evidence that any crime is getting worse. In fact the lockdown has led to a reduction in crime. Probably in the US as well.

not in my town-----crime is up---especially physical
assault and robbery. The policy imposed from ABOVE is------"don't report it and don't indict" ------the policy sometimes results in GOOD STATS

Which town is that then?

 

[Vagabond63]

If he had wanted that training it is available to all Americans,

You missed out the phrase "on a voluntary basis". If you want to own a gun, such training should be mandatory.

 

[jbrownson0831]

You have no evidence that any crime is getting worse. In fact the lockdown has led to a reduction in crime. Probably in the US as well.

Sure, like in Chicago right goofus???

 

[Vagabond63]

Sad. Another "responsible gun owner" tragedy. Autopsy confirms 2-year-old in Bucks County died of gunshot wound If only he'd had proper training in how to handle and store his gun.

You can't cover 1.1 million times a year that Americans use their legal guns to save lives.....you just can't find the criminals who use guns illegally to make those 1.1 million Americans with their legal guns disappear..........and that is just one study out of 17 on the topic.......

Translation: 2aguy has been found to be spreading BS and fearmongering and is now wildly trying to deflect.

 

[irosie91]

You have no evidence that any crime is getting worse. In fact the lockdown has led to a reduction in crime. Probably in the US as well.

not in my town-----crime is up---especially physical
assault and robbery. The policy imposed from ABOVE is------"don't report it and don't indict" ------the policy sometimes results in GOOD STATS

Which town is that then?

new york city

 

[2aguy]

Over the last 27 years...what has happened while Americans are buying and carrying guns?

Gun murder down 49%.

Gun crime down 75%.

Violent crime down 72%.

Gun ownership does not increase violent crime or gun crime.

More repeated BS from our own "firehose of falsehood". There is no correlation between gun ownership and the decline in crime rate over the last 27 years.

I didn't say there was, with that statistic, and you know this because I keep telling it to you...

What you are desperately trying to hide is this fact....

As more Americans own and carry guns......over 19.4 million Americans can now carry guns for self defense...

The gun murder rate went down 49%....

The gun crime rate went down 75%....

The violent crime rate went down 72%.....

This means that gun ownership, and increased gun ownership does not increase the gun murder rate, the gun crime rate or the violent crime rate...

Because, as you pointed out......crime rates around the world went down at the same time.......at the same time as the variable of gun ownership in the U.S. was going up...

This means......using Science......that gun ownership does not increase gun violence, gun murder or gun crime, therefore, gun control is dumb, because it targets people who do not use their legal guns to commit crimes....

 

[2aguy]

If he had wanted that training it is available to all Americans,

You missed out the phrase "on a voluntary basis". If you want to own a gun, such training should be mandatory.

Wrong......mandatory training is used by fascists like you to keep normal, law abiding people from owning guns.....you make the mandatory training requirements so expensive, so difficult, that regular citizens can't afford them in time or money....

And because in the U.S. as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 27 years.....and the gun murder rate went down, the gun crime rate went down, the violent crime rate went down...

And the gun accident rate did not go up...

That means mandatory training is not only a scam by you....it is unnecessary....since as more people own and carry guns over the last 27 years, gun crime went down 49%, gun crime went down 75%, violent crime went down 72% and gun accidents also went down..........

Fatal Injury and Violence Data | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2018.......458

2017 accidental gun death.....486

2016

Gun.....495


Also in 2017...


Cars....38,659

Poison...64,795
Fall (Gravity) ...36,338
Suffocation...6,946
Fire....2,902
Struck, by or against...819
Bicycle...345

2016

Gun.....495

 

[Turtlesoup]

So....gun crime in Britain is getting worse....with shooters opening fire, hitting children and their mothers and shooting up parties....but...they have gun control....right?

A man and two women have sustained gunshot wounds after attackers opened fire on people attending a party in Harlow, Essex.

Essex police said the man, who is in his 50s and from nearby Grays, was taken to hospital with life-threatening injuries early on Saturday.

Two women in their 20s were taken to hospital with single gunshot wounds, which are not considered to be life-threatening.

Three people shot at party in Essex, say police

Man suffered life-threatening injuries and two women also shot in early hours of Saturday

www.theguardian.com

Why don't you start doing a thread on every gun shot incident in this country, 2AGuy. This is your country after all. Why do you think we care if there was a shooting in England? Or France?
Let's start hearing about every one of them in this country.
What? Impossible? That's because there are tens of thousands of them a year. You couldn't type fast enough.
And it's because every Tom, Dick and Harriett has a gun for no good reason.

I like the thread being dedicated to the hypocrit brits being so stupid that they outlawed guns so now only the outlaws have the guns. It's one of those life lesson type of things.

 

[2aguy]

This is a difference between Britain and the U.S....

If 4 criminals join together they can pretty much have their way with any number of victims in the U.S.......even if they only use clubs and knives. The victim is outmatched in every way, and will have to submit to the violent criminals.

In the U.S.....even if the 4 home invaders all have guns, in the U.S. the home owner has the chance to use his own legal gun to fight them off.......

Big difference......this attack started with the victim being pistol whipped, and then he shot all 4 attackers killing two of them.....good for him...

Today it comes from near New Orleans, where a man defended his home and four-year-old little girl against four masked home invaders. When the smoke cleared, he shot all four of them, killing two.

Armed Homeowner Fights Off Four Home Invaders, Shoots All of Them, Kills Two - The Truth About Guns

&#9664Previous Post Next Post▶ Yes, everyone could use some good news these days. Today it comes from near New Orleans, where a man defended his home and four-year-old little girl against four masked home invaders. When the smoke cleared, he shot all four of them, killing two. Sadly, his little...

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