Shooting in Dublin, automatic weapons and pistols...but...but...gun control?

And more on British gun crime ....

Liverpool police investigate gunshots outside school
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Salford shooting: shocked locals see gang wars come to their door
But on Tuesday locals woke up to find their streets teeming with armed police, forensics officers, detectives and television cameras after the latest in a string of bloody shootings came to their doorstep.
“Shock is what everyone’s thinking – that, and hope that the perpetrator is caught and that the two victims are doing well,” said one woman, peering out of her front door down the cul-de-sac where a young mother and her seven-year-old son were shot at close range on Monday night.
The shooting, alarming for its callousness, is the 21st gun attack in Salford in 18 months. It follows four other shootings over the weekend in Bolton and Salford, the scenes of separate turf wars being played out between rival drugs gangs.
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This attack is being linked by detectives to the tit-for-tat violence in Salford, which has been bubbling under the surface for more than a year.
The feud burst into the open in July with the murder of Salford’s “Mr Big”, Paul Massey, who was shot dead on the drive of his family home in Clifton, four miles away. His killer remains at large.
“If it’s owt to do with Paul Massey, people won’t say nowt. They’ll be too scared of reprisals,” said one elderly woman walking her dog, who asked not to be named because “that’s how it is”.
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http://www.desiblitz.com/content/salford-named-gun-crime-hub-manchester


Salford has been revealed to be the top hotspot for gun crimes in Manchester. Almost 40 per cent of the city’s shooting incidents have been recorded in the area between 2011 and 2014.

In a set of exclusive figures published by Manchester Evening News, 35 out of 91 incidents related to firearm took place in Salford during the four-year period.




Here is the full list of total reported gun crimes in Manchester, ranked by area:




    • Salford ~ 35
    • South Manchester ~ 22
    • Oldham ~ 9
    • Tameside ~ 6
    • Wigan ~ 6
    • Trafford ~ 4
    • Stockport ~ 3
    • Bolton ~ 2
    • Bury ~ 2
    • Rochdale ~ 1
    • Unidentified ~ 1
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http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/gun-crime-manchester-salford-rise-9723072


he brazen shooting of a man standing outside a pub with his friends in Wythenshawe is the latest example of spiralling gun crime in Greater Manchester.

Our timeline shows it is the latest of at least 30 shootings - three of them fatal - in the last 14 months, most of them in Salford.

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http://www.lfpress.com/2015/06/14/eighteen-year-old-shot-to-death-in-east-london-parking



A teenager was gunned down behind a northeast London plaza Sunday in an early-morning homicide, the city’s fourth killing of the year.

Police were responding to a disturbance in a parking lot at 1181 Highbury Ave., south of Huron St., at 5:20 a.m. when they received a report of gunshots fired at a nearby strip mall.

Officers found an 18-year-old male — identified as Jeremy Ryan Cook, originally of Brampton — with gunshot wounds behind the plaza.

The teen died at the scene, police said.


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http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/11/police-investigation-north-london-shooting-wood-green-erdogan-guzel


Police have begun a murder investigation after a man was killed and a woman critically injured in a double shooting on a busy London high street.

The man was named locally as Erdogan Guzel, a 42-year-old father-of-two, while an unnamed woman was also caught up in the attack in Wood Green on Friday.

It is understood the shooting occurred at about 5.45pm outside the Bros Bakery, in Lordship Lane, where Guzel would often sit. Cordons and diversions were put in place as forensic officers worked at the scene.
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Sumbul said Guzel had two teenage children who were on holiday in Turkey. He said a similar incident happened in the area at the end of June, when a gunman tried to open fire but failed to discharge his weapon before fleeing.



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Man arrested after fatal shooting in busy London street

Police have made an arrest after a man was shot dead in a busy London street. Officers were called at 1.14pm after a gunman opened fire in Hackney in eastLondon. Shoppers reportedly looked on as the man was shot and killed in Chatsworth Road.

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Man critical after gang shooting

A man in his 20s is in a critical condition in hospital after suffering multiple gunshot wounds in a city street.

West Midlands Police said the victim was gunned down in Bevington Road, Aston, Birmingham, at 10.30pm last night after being approached by three masked men.

A police spokesman said officers were alerted to the incident by several 999 calls reporting shots being heard.

"Officers attended the scene and found an Asian man in his 20s lying in the street," the spokesman said.

"It appears he had been shot several times, possibly with a shotgun as he had a number of pellet wounds. He is detained in a critical condition in hospital."

Detectives, who have cordoned off the scene, have yet to establish a motive for the shooting, but say it does not appear to be linked to other recent shootings in the area.



As I keep saying....criminals in Britain gets guns easily.....and they use them when they want to use them...and not one law the British have passed is stopping this....

Those laws do keep normal people from getting guns....but they were never the problem....

So....what kept these shooters from walking into a school...or a theater?

And what are you anti gunners going to say when gun crime begins going up in these countries that confiscated guns....what will your excuse be then?

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And a shooting from 2014....

Burmingham has a few shootings...but I thought that wasn't possible..

From 2014........

Birmingham shooting: Man killed in Sparkbrook, two injured - BBC News

Five men remain in police custody in connection with the fatal shooting of a 28-year-old man in Birmingham.

Two other injured men were taken to hospital, where a 25-year-old with knife wounds is in a critical condition, West Midlands police said.

A 22-year-old is being treated for gunshot injuries that are not thought to be life-threatening.

The only thing we harvest from the guns and knives on our streets is another generation of orphans and widows
Father Oliver Coss, Small Heath parish priest


Four of the arrested men are suspected of violent disorder, and the fifth man of possessing a class-A drug.

The dead man has been named locally as Ikram Elahi.

One witness claimed "about 200 to 300 lads" had gathered in the area around Stratford Road in Sparkbrook prior to the killing on Wednesday evening.



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http://www.guns.com/2015/09/26/british-teen-sentenced-to-life-for-planned-school-attack/

Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.

Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.

As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.

According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.

Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.

The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.

In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”

He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.

that doesn't sound like a country with strict gun control afte a gun confiscation scheme....



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UK's 'gun crime capital': rancour and regret over West Midlands label

About two miles north of Birmingham city centre, in the shadows of Aston Villa’s football stadium, a former gang elder struggles to count the number of times he’s been shot at.

“Loads. Loads,” says Simeon “Zimbo” Moore, 32, a former member of the Johnson Crew, one of Birmingham’s most notorious gangs. “When I was 18, 19, there was shootings every day.”

The most terrifying incident happened five years ago, he says, when he saw his younger cousin killed by a bullet fired through the back of his neck, lodging in his jaw.

“From 2005 to 2010 it was active, shootings were regular but they almost came to a stop for the main part of 2013. It’s slowly beginning to build back up again




The ONS figures show there were 540 firearms offences in the West Midlands in 2013-14, three times fewer than the 1,594 incidents in London. However, when the figures are compared per 100,000 of the population, the West Midlands has a rate of 19.4 incidents compared to 18.95 in the capital.

There were 41 more firearms offences in the West Midlands last year compared to the previous year, meaning that the region accounted for one in nine incidents of gun crime recorded in England and Wales.
I thought British criminals were peaceful and romantic? If we flood Britain with guns, will that make them calm down?

:rofl:
 
2 hours? I could get get an assault rifle right now and be back in 15 minutes. And I wouldn't even have to endanger myself by venturing into a black market. I could get a used one for a couple hundred bucks.


Funny....if their gun control actually worked...why has their gun crime started to increase...

And that was 2013.....

Gun crime soars by 35%

Gun crime soars by 35%


[created] | UPDATED: 10:01 EST, 10 January 2003


The Government's latest crime figures were condemned as "truly terrible" by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year.

Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed.

Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362.

It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise

and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993.

Figures showed the number of crimes involving handguns had more than doubled since the post-Dunblane massacre ban on the weapons, from 2,636 in 1997-1998 to 5,871.

Unadjusted figures showed overall recorded crime in the 12 months to last September rose 9.3%, but the Home Office stressed that new procedures had skewed the figures.
So what percentage of their crimes involved guns? In another conversation with you I looked up the U.S. and it was almost 70%. How about over there?


I know...you are slow.......they have access to guns if they want them...easy access....that they don't use them as much is their choice, not a result of their gun control laws....Britain is an Island, they confiscated guns and have extreme gun control...for normal people. Their criminals get guns easily....their gun crime rates rise as their criminals decide they need more guns for their work.....

They have a different sub-culture...or they did...as my last post shows...their criminal sub culture is being infected by the Rap music culture.....and they are turning to guns more often....
I love this romantic vision you have of European criminals being peace loving and honorable. And accusing rap? Do you support rap control? :rofl:


I never said they were peace loving or honorable....I just stated the truth...they do not murder their victims or each other as often as our criminals do......holding an iron to the stomach of a woman they are robbing is hardly peaceful is it...stabbing people and torturing people is hardly peaceloving...and shoving guns in the faces of victims to get them to comply...but not shooting them...hardly peaceful.....
Because... wait for it again......... they don't have guns like ours do!
 
Wrong....

France’s real gun problem

Running guns to the heart of Europe: 'Need a Kalashnikov in Belgium? No problem'

But for all the new resolve of the European Union to tighten borders and close loopholes in laws that already effectively ban private ownership of rapid-fire assault weapons, Nemac, Milan and a jaded Serbian policeman doubt it can end the trade.

The Serbian police officer, who is involved in counter-trafficking operations, said investigators uncovered maybe a third of shipments at best. The problem was the sheer volume of weapons, he explained, recounting a tale of a man who told customs officers at Serbia's border with the EU that he was a musician and had nothing to declare but his old accordion.--


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Indeed, there is some irony that Brussels, self-styled "capital" of the European Union and also home to the NATO military alliance, has become a marketplace for such hardware.

"If you have 500 to 1,000 euros you can get a military weapon within half an hour," said Bilal Benyaich, an expert on Islamist radicals at the city's Itinera Institute think-tank.

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This story tracks gun smuggling in Europe.....lots of it....

European Police Face Being Outgunned by Jihadists With Assault Rifles



But although the police quickly traced the weapons source in the Paris attacks, stopping criminals and other jihadist cells in Europe from acquiring assault weapons for further attacks might not be so easy, according to police officials.



French police believe rifles are on sale in French cities for between €1,000 and €1,500. Earlier this month, Philippe Capon, head of the French police union UNSA, told Bloomberg News, “The French black market for weapons has been inundated with eastern European war artillery and arms.” A French police source told TIME that the weapons from the Charlie Hebdoattack came from the Balkans.

That is not the only source of weaponry. Donald says he fears that the continent might be facing a fresh influx of weapons from North Africa in the wake of the Arab Spring revolts. In August, 2011, Libyan rebels looted large quantities of mortars, tank shells and other munitions when Moammar Gaddafi’s regime collapsed. Although most of those weapons are believed to have filtered across North and West Africa, some could also have made their way to Europe.

The arms traffickers have flourished in the absence of well-financed antiweapons units in Europe, where law enforcement has for years tended to plow money into stopping drug-dealing and other crimes. “We don’t fully understand the scale of the problem because we have not had specialized units,” says Donald, referring to law-enforcement agencies in different E.U. countries. “It is a question of priorities. Any police officer will tell you it [resources] is a constant struggle.”

The trade in illegal weapons can earn enormous profits for organized criminal gangs — enough to make the risk of capture worthwhile. Donald says recent investigations have found arms traffickers investing about €30,000 in a shipment of Balkan-era weapons, refurbishing them in their garages, then selling them for them for about 10 times the price. “That’s a huge mark-up,” he says.

As Europe struggles to crack down on illegal weapons, some police recruits face a new training exercise: Go buy a Kalashnikov rifle. Donald says that in “a city in Europe,” which he would not name, “very young officers with no training or experience” were recently told to go find an assault weapon on the streets from an illegal arms dealer. “One came back two hours later with an AK-47,” Donald says. “He bought it for €1,000.”
2 hours? I could get get an assault rifle right now and be back in 15 minutes. And I wouldn't even have to endanger myself by venturing into a black market. I could get a used one for a couple hundred bucks.


Funny....if their gun control actually worked...why has their gun crime started to increase...

And that was 2013.....

Gun crime soars by 35%

Gun crime soars by 35%


[created] | UPDATED: 10:01 EST, 10 January 2003


The Government's latest crime figures were condemned as "truly terrible" by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year.

Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed.

Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362.

It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise

and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993.

Figures showed the number of crimes involving handguns had more than doubled since the post-Dunblane massacre ban on the weapons, from 2,636 in 1997-1998 to 5,871.

Unadjusted figures showed overall recorded crime in the 12 months to last September rose 9.3%, but the Home Office stressed that new procedures had skewed the figures.
So what percentage of their crimes involved guns? In another conversation with you I looked up the U.S. and it was almost 70%. How about over there?


I know...you are slow.......they have access to guns if they want them...easy access....that they don't use them as much is their choice, not a result of their gun control laws....Britain is an Island, they confiscated guns and have extreme gun control...for normal people. Their criminals get guns easily....their gun crime rates rise as their criminals decide they need more guns for their work.....

They have a different sub-culture...or they did...as my last post shows...their criminal sub culture is being infected by the Rap music culture.....and they are turning to guns more often....
I love this romantic vision you have of European criminals being peace loving and honorable. And accusing rap? Do you support rap control? :rofl:


Yes...rap culture doesn't encourage violence......:rofl:
 
And more on British gun crime ....

Liverpool police investigate gunshots outside school
_____________
Salford shooting: shocked locals see gang wars come to their door
But on Tuesday locals woke up to find their streets teeming with armed police, forensics officers, detectives and television cameras after the latest in a string of bloody shootings came to their doorstep.
“Shock is what everyone’s thinking – that, and hope that the perpetrator is caught and that the two victims are doing well,” said one woman, peering out of her front door down the cul-de-sac where a young mother and her seven-year-old son were shot at close range on Monday night.
The shooting, alarming for its callousness, is the 21st gun attack in Salford in 18 months. It follows four other shootings over the weekend in Bolton and Salford, the scenes of separate turf wars being played out between rival drugs gangs.
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This attack is being linked by detectives to the tit-for-tat violence in Salford, which has been bubbling under the surface for more than a year.
The feud burst into the open in July with the murder of Salford’s “Mr Big”, Paul Massey, who was shot dead on the drive of his family home in Clifton, four miles away. His killer remains at large.
“If it’s owt to do with Paul Massey, people won’t say nowt. They’ll be too scared of reprisals,” said one elderly woman walking her dog, who asked not to be named because “that’s how it is”.
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http://www.desiblitz.com/content/salford-named-gun-crime-hub-manchester


Salford has been revealed to be the top hotspot for gun crimes in Manchester. Almost 40 per cent of the city’s shooting incidents have been recorded in the area between 2011 and 2014.

In a set of exclusive figures published by Manchester Evening News, 35 out of 91 incidents related to firearm took place in Salford during the four-year period.




Here is the full list of total reported gun crimes in Manchester, ranked by area:




    • Salford ~ 35
    • South Manchester ~ 22
    • Oldham ~ 9
    • Tameside ~ 6
    • Wigan ~ 6
    • Trafford ~ 4
    • Stockport ~ 3
    • Bolton ~ 2
    • Bury ~ 2
    • Rochdale ~ 1
    • Unidentified ~ 1
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http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/gun-crime-manchester-salford-rise-9723072


he brazen shooting of a man standing outside a pub with his friends in Wythenshawe is the latest example of spiralling gun crime in Greater Manchester.

Our timeline shows it is the latest of at least 30 shootings - three of them fatal - in the last 14 months, most of them in Salford.

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http://www.lfpress.com/2015/06/14/eighteen-year-old-shot-to-death-in-east-london-parking



A teenager was gunned down behind a northeast London plaza Sunday in an early-morning homicide, the city’s fourth killing of the year.

Police were responding to a disturbance in a parking lot at 1181 Highbury Ave., south of Huron St., at 5:20 a.m. when they received a report of gunshots fired at a nearby strip mall.

Officers found an 18-year-old male — identified as Jeremy Ryan Cook, originally of Brampton — with gunshot wounds behind the plaza.

The teen died at the scene, police said.


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http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/11/police-investigation-north-london-shooting-wood-green-erdogan-guzel


Police have begun a murder investigation after a man was killed and a woman critically injured in a double shooting on a busy London high street.

The man was named locally as Erdogan Guzel, a 42-year-old father-of-two, while an unnamed woman was also caught up in the attack in Wood Green on Friday.

It is understood the shooting occurred at about 5.45pm outside the Bros Bakery, in Lordship Lane, where Guzel would often sit. Cordons and diversions were put in place as forensic officers worked at the scene.
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Sumbul said Guzel had two teenage children who were on holiday in Turkey. He said a similar incident happened in the area at the end of June, when a gunman tried to open fire but failed to discharge his weapon before fleeing.



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Man arrested after fatal shooting in busy London street

Police have made an arrest after a man was shot dead in a busy London street. Officers were called at 1.14pm after a gunman opened fire in Hackney in eastLondon. Shoppers reportedly looked on as the man was shot and killed in Chatsworth Road.

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Man critical after gang shooting

A man in his 20s is in a critical condition in hospital after suffering multiple gunshot wounds in a city street.

West Midlands Police said the victim was gunned down in Bevington Road, Aston, Birmingham, at 10.30pm last night after being approached by three masked men.

A police spokesman said officers were alerted to the incident by several 999 calls reporting shots being heard.

"Officers attended the scene and found an Asian man in his 20s lying in the street," the spokesman said.

"It appears he had been shot several times, possibly with a shotgun as he had a number of pellet wounds. He is detained in a critical condition in hospital."

Detectives, who have cordoned off the scene, have yet to establish a motive for the shooting, but say it does not appear to be linked to other recent shootings in the area.



As I keep saying....criminals in Britain gets guns easily.....and they use them when they want to use them...and not one law the British have passed is stopping this....

Those laws do keep normal people from getting guns....but they were never the problem....

So....what kept these shooters from walking into a school...or a theater?

And what are you anti gunners going to say when gun crime begins going up in these countries that confiscated guns....what will your excuse be then?

*******************


And a shooting from 2014....

Burmingham has a few shootings...but I thought that wasn't possible..

From 2014........

Birmingham shooting: Man killed in Sparkbrook, two injured - BBC News

Five men remain in police custody in connection with the fatal shooting of a 28-year-old man in Birmingham.

Two other injured men were taken to hospital, where a 25-year-old with knife wounds is in a critical condition, West Midlands police said.

A 22-year-old is being treated for gunshot injuries that are not thought to be life-threatening.

The only thing we harvest from the guns and knives on our streets is another generation of orphans and widows
Father Oliver Coss, Small Heath parish priest


Four of the arrested men are suspected of violent disorder, and the fifth man of possessing a class-A drug.

The dead man has been named locally as Ikram Elahi.

One witness claimed "about 200 to 300 lads" had gathered in the area around Stratford Road in Sparkbrook prior to the killing on Wednesday evening.



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http://www.guns.com/2015/09/26/british-teen-sentenced-to-life-for-planned-school-attack/

Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.

Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.

As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.

According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.

Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.

The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.

In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”

He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.

that doesn't sound like a country with strict gun control afte a gun confiscation scheme....



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UK's 'gun crime capital': rancour and regret over West Midlands label

About two miles north of Birmingham city centre, in the shadows of Aston Villa’s football stadium, a former gang elder struggles to count the number of times he’s been shot at.

“Loads. Loads,” says Simeon “Zimbo” Moore, 32, a former member of the Johnson Crew, one of Birmingham’s most notorious gangs. “When I was 18, 19, there was shootings every day.”

The most terrifying incident happened five years ago, he says, when he saw his younger cousin killed by a bullet fired through the back of his neck, lodging in his jaw.

“From 2005 to 2010 it was active, shootings were regular but they almost came to a stop for the main part of 2013. It’s slowly beginning to build back up again




The ONS figures show there were 540 firearms offences in the West Midlands in 2013-14, three times fewer than the 1,594 incidents in London. However, when the figures are compared per 100,000 of the population, the West Midlands has a rate of 19.4 incidents compared to 18.95 in the capital.

There were 41 more firearms offences in the West Midlands last year compared to the previous year, meaning that the region accounted for one in nine incidents of gun crime recorded in England and Wales.
I thought British criminals were peaceful and romantic? If we flood Britain with guns, will that make them calm down?

:rofl:



Hmmmm...as more Americans own and carry guns our violent crime rate and our gun murder rate went down...so yes....it will........
 
2 hours? I could get get an assault rifle right now and be back in 15 minutes. And I wouldn't even have to endanger myself by venturing into a black market. I could get a used one for a couple hundred bucks.


Funny....if their gun control actually worked...why has their gun crime started to increase...

And that was 2013.....

Gun crime soars by 35%

Gun crime soars by 35%


[created] | UPDATED: 10:01 EST, 10 January 2003


The Government's latest crime figures were condemned as "truly terrible" by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year.

Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed.

Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362.

It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise

and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993.

Figures showed the number of crimes involving handguns had more than doubled since the post-Dunblane massacre ban on the weapons, from 2,636 in 1997-1998 to 5,871.

Unadjusted figures showed overall recorded crime in the 12 months to last September rose 9.3%, but the Home Office stressed that new procedures had skewed the figures.
So what percentage of their crimes involved guns? In another conversation with you I looked up the U.S. and it was almost 70%. How about over there?


I know...you are slow.......they have access to guns if they want them...easy access....that they don't use them as much is their choice, not a result of their gun control laws....Britain is an Island, they confiscated guns and have extreme gun control...for normal people. Their criminals get guns easily....their gun crime rates rise as their criminals decide they need more guns for their work.....

They have a different sub-culture...or they did...as my last post shows...their criminal sub culture is being infected by the Rap music culture.....and they are turning to guns more often....
I love this romantic vision you have of European criminals being peace loving and honorable. And accusing rap? Do you support rap control? :rofl:


Yes...rap culture doesn't encourage violence......:rofl:

Rap culture doesn't encourage violence, people encourage violence :rofl:
 
And more on British gun crime ....

Liverpool police investigate gunshots outside school
_____________
Salford shooting: shocked locals see gang wars come to their door
But on Tuesday locals woke up to find their streets teeming with armed police, forensics officers, detectives and television cameras after the latest in a string of bloody shootings came to their doorstep.
“Shock is what everyone’s thinking – that, and hope that the perpetrator is caught and that the two victims are doing well,” said one woman, peering out of her front door down the cul-de-sac where a young mother and her seven-year-old son were shot at close range on Monday night.
The shooting, alarming for its callousness, is the 21st gun attack in Salford in 18 months. It follows four other shootings over the weekend in Bolton and Salford, the scenes of separate turf wars being played out between rival drugs gangs.
840.jpg

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This attack is being linked by detectives to the tit-for-tat violence in Salford, which has been bubbling under the surface for more than a year.
The feud burst into the open in July with the murder of Salford’s “Mr Big”, Paul Massey, who was shot dead on the drive of his family home in Clifton, four miles away. His killer remains at large.
“If it’s owt to do with Paul Massey, people won’t say nowt. They’ll be too scared of reprisals,” said one elderly woman walking her dog, who asked not to be named because “that’s how it is”.
-----------


http://www.desiblitz.com/content/salford-named-gun-crime-hub-manchester


Salford has been revealed to be the top hotspot for gun crimes in Manchester. Almost 40 per cent of the city’s shooting incidents have been recorded in the area between 2011 and 2014.

In a set of exclusive figures published by Manchester Evening News, 35 out of 91 incidents related to firearm took place in Salford during the four-year period.




Here is the full list of total reported gun crimes in Manchester, ranked by area:




    • Salford ~ 35
    • South Manchester ~ 22
    • Oldham ~ 9
    • Tameside ~ 6
    • Wigan ~ 6
    • Trafford ~ 4
    • Stockport ~ 3
    • Bolton ~ 2
    • Bury ~ 2
    • Rochdale ~ 1
    • Unidentified ~ 1
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http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/gun-crime-manchester-salford-rise-9723072


he brazen shooting of a man standing outside a pub with his friends in Wythenshawe is the latest example of spiralling gun crime in Greater Manchester.

Our timeline shows it is the latest of at least 30 shootings - three of them fatal - in the last 14 months, most of them in Salford.

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http://www.lfpress.com/2015/06/14/eighteen-year-old-shot-to-death-in-east-london-parking



A teenager was gunned down behind a northeast London plaza Sunday in an early-morning homicide, the city’s fourth killing of the year.

Police were responding to a disturbance in a parking lot at 1181 Highbury Ave., south of Huron St., at 5:20 a.m. when they received a report of gunshots fired at a nearby strip mall.

Officers found an 18-year-old male — identified as Jeremy Ryan Cook, originally of Brampton — with gunshot wounds behind the plaza.

The teen died at the scene, police said.


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http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/11/police-investigation-north-london-shooting-wood-green-erdogan-guzel


Police have begun a murder investigation after a man was killed and a woman critically injured in a double shooting on a busy London high street.

The man was named locally as Erdogan Guzel, a 42-year-old father-of-two, while an unnamed woman was also caught up in the attack in Wood Green on Friday.

It is understood the shooting occurred at about 5.45pm outside the Bros Bakery, in Lordship Lane, where Guzel would often sit. Cordons and diversions were put in place as forensic officers worked at the scene.
----
Sumbul said Guzel had two teenage children who were on holiday in Turkey. He said a similar incident happened in the area at the end of June, when a gunman tried to open fire but failed to discharge his weapon before fleeing.



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Man arrested after fatal shooting in busy London street

Police have made an arrest after a man was shot dead in a busy London street. Officers were called at 1.14pm after a gunman opened fire in Hackney in eastLondon. Shoppers reportedly looked on as the man was shot and killed in Chatsworth Road.

**********

Man critical after gang shooting

A man in his 20s is in a critical condition in hospital after suffering multiple gunshot wounds in a city street.

West Midlands Police said the victim was gunned down in Bevington Road, Aston, Birmingham, at 10.30pm last night after being approached by three masked men.

A police spokesman said officers were alerted to the incident by several 999 calls reporting shots being heard.

"Officers attended the scene and found an Asian man in his 20s lying in the street," the spokesman said.

"It appears he had been shot several times, possibly with a shotgun as he had a number of pellet wounds. He is detained in a critical condition in hospital."

Detectives, who have cordoned off the scene, have yet to establish a motive for the shooting, but say it does not appear to be linked to other recent shootings in the area.



As I keep saying....criminals in Britain gets guns easily.....and they use them when they want to use them...and not one law the British have passed is stopping this....

Those laws do keep normal people from getting guns....but they were never the problem....

So....what kept these shooters from walking into a school...or a theater?

And what are you anti gunners going to say when gun crime begins going up in these countries that confiscated guns....what will your excuse be then?

*******************


And a shooting from 2014....

Burmingham has a few shootings...but I thought that wasn't possible..

From 2014........

Birmingham shooting: Man killed in Sparkbrook, two injured - BBC News

Five men remain in police custody in connection with the fatal shooting of a 28-year-old man in Birmingham.

Two other injured men were taken to hospital, where a 25-year-old with knife wounds is in a critical condition, West Midlands police said.

A 22-year-old is being treated for gunshot injuries that are not thought to be life-threatening.

The only thing we harvest from the guns and knives on our streets is another generation of orphans and widows
Father Oliver Coss, Small Heath parish priest


Four of the arrested men are suspected of violent disorder, and the fifth man of possessing a class-A drug.

The dead man has been named locally as Ikram Elahi.

One witness claimed "about 200 to 300 lads" had gathered in the area around Stratford Road in Sparkbrook prior to the killing on Wednesday evening.



*****************

http://www.guns.com/2015/09/26/british-teen-sentenced-to-life-for-planned-school-attack/

Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.

Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.

As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.

According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.

Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.

The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.

In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”

He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.

that doesn't sound like a country with strict gun control afte a gun confiscation scheme....



*****
************************

UK's 'gun crime capital': rancour and regret over West Midlands label

About two miles north of Birmingham city centre, in the shadows of Aston Villa’s football stadium, a former gang elder struggles to count the number of times he’s been shot at.

“Loads. Loads,” says Simeon “Zimbo” Moore, 32, a former member of the Johnson Crew, one of Birmingham’s most notorious gangs. “When I was 18, 19, there was shootings every day.”

The most terrifying incident happened five years ago, he says, when he saw his younger cousin killed by a bullet fired through the back of his neck, lodging in his jaw.

“From 2005 to 2010 it was active, shootings were regular but they almost came to a stop for the main part of 2013. It’s slowly beginning to build back up again




The ONS figures show there were 540 firearms offences in the West Midlands in 2013-14, three times fewer than the 1,594 incidents in London. However, when the figures are compared per 100,000 of the population, the West Midlands has a rate of 19.4 incidents compared to 18.95 in the capital.

There were 41 more firearms offences in the West Midlands last year compared to the previous year, meaning that the region accounted for one in nine incidents of gun crime recorded in England and Wales.
I thought British criminals were peaceful and romantic? If we flood Britain with guns, will that make them calm down?

:rofl:



Hmmmm...as more Americans own and carry guns our violent crime rate and our gun murder rate went down...so yes....it will........
Well the percentage of Americans who own and carry guns is down. So your statement is bullshit.
 
Funny....if their gun control actually worked...why has their gun crime started to increase...

And that was 2013.....

Gun crime soars by 35%

Gun crime soars by 35%


[created] | UPDATED: 10:01 EST, 10 January 2003


The Government's latest crime figures were condemned as "truly terrible" by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year.

Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed.

Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362.

It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise

and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993.

Figures showed the number of crimes involving handguns had more than doubled since the post-Dunblane massacre ban on the weapons, from 2,636 in 1997-1998 to 5,871.

Unadjusted figures showed overall recorded crime in the 12 months to last September rose 9.3%, but the Home Office stressed that new procedures had skewed the figures.
So what percentage of their crimes involved guns? In another conversation with you I looked up the U.S. and it was almost 70%. How about over there?


I know...you are slow.......they have access to guns if they want them...easy access....that they don't use them as much is their choice, not a result of their gun control laws....Britain is an Island, they confiscated guns and have extreme gun control...for normal people. Their criminals get guns easily....their gun crime rates rise as their criminals decide they need more guns for their work.....

They have a different sub-culture...or they did...as my last post shows...their criminal sub culture is being infected by the Rap music culture.....and they are turning to guns more often....
I love this romantic vision you have of European criminals being peace loving and honorable. And accusing rap? Do you support rap control? :rofl:


Yes...rap culture doesn't encourage violence......:rofl:

Rap culture doesn't encourage violence, people encourage violence :rofl:


Keep telling yourself that.
 
So what percentage of their crimes involved guns? In another conversation with you I looked up the U.S. and it was almost 70%. How about over there?


I know...you are slow.......they have access to guns if they want them...easy access....that they don't use them as much is their choice, not a result of their gun control laws....Britain is an Island, they confiscated guns and have extreme gun control...for normal people. Their criminals get guns easily....their gun crime rates rise as their criminals decide they need more guns for their work.....

They have a different sub-culture...or they did...as my last post shows...their criminal sub culture is being infected by the Rap music culture.....and they are turning to guns more often....
I love this romantic vision you have of European criminals being peace loving and honorable. And accusing rap? Do you support rap control? :rofl:


Yes...rap culture doesn't encourage violence......:rofl:

Rap culture doesn't encourage violence, people encourage violence :rofl:


Keep telling yourself that.

Okay and you keep telling yourself your bullshit
 
And more on British gun crime ....

Liverpool police investigate gunshots outside school
_____________
Salford shooting: shocked locals see gang wars come to their door
But on Tuesday locals woke up to find their streets teeming with armed police, forensics officers, detectives and television cameras after the latest in a string of bloody shootings came to their doorstep.
“Shock is what everyone’s thinking – that, and hope that the perpetrator is caught and that the two victims are doing well,” said one woman, peering out of her front door down the cul-de-sac where a young mother and her seven-year-old son were shot at close range on Monday night.
The shooting, alarming for its callousness, is the 21st gun attack in Salford in 18 months. It follows four other shootings over the weekend in Bolton and Salford, the scenes of separate turf wars being played out between rival drugs gangs.
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This attack is being linked by detectives to the tit-for-tat violence in Salford, which has been bubbling under the surface for more than a year.
The feud burst into the open in July with the murder of Salford’s “Mr Big”, Paul Massey, who was shot dead on the drive of his family home in Clifton, four miles away. His killer remains at large.
“If it’s owt to do with Paul Massey, people won’t say nowt. They’ll be too scared of reprisals,” said one elderly woman walking her dog, who asked not to be named because “that’s how it is”.
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http://www.desiblitz.com/content/salford-named-gun-crime-hub-manchester


Salford has been revealed to be the top hotspot for gun crimes in Manchester. Almost 40 per cent of the city’s shooting incidents have been recorded in the area between 2011 and 2014.

In a set of exclusive figures published by Manchester Evening News, 35 out of 91 incidents related to firearm took place in Salford during the four-year period.




Here is the full list of total reported gun crimes in Manchester, ranked by area:




    • Salford ~ 35
    • South Manchester ~ 22
    • Oldham ~ 9
    • Tameside ~ 6
    • Wigan ~ 6
    • Trafford ~ 4
    • Stockport ~ 3
    • Bolton ~ 2
    • Bury ~ 2
    • Rochdale ~ 1
    • Unidentified ~ 1
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http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/gun-crime-manchester-salford-rise-9723072


he brazen shooting of a man standing outside a pub with his friends in Wythenshawe is the latest example of spiralling gun crime in Greater Manchester.

Our timeline shows it is the latest of at least 30 shootings - three of them fatal - in the last 14 months, most of them in Salford.

******************************
http://www.lfpress.com/2015/06/14/eighteen-year-old-shot-to-death-in-east-london-parking



A teenager was gunned down behind a northeast London plaza Sunday in an early-morning homicide, the city’s fourth killing of the year.

Police were responding to a disturbance in a parking lot at 1181 Highbury Ave., south of Huron St., at 5:20 a.m. when they received a report of gunshots fired at a nearby strip mall.

Officers found an 18-year-old male — identified as Jeremy Ryan Cook, originally of Brampton — with gunshot wounds behind the plaza.

The teen died at the scene, police said.


*********************************
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/11/police-investigation-north-london-shooting-wood-green-erdogan-guzel


Police have begun a murder investigation after a man was killed and a woman critically injured in a double shooting on a busy London high street.

The man was named locally as Erdogan Guzel, a 42-year-old father-of-two, while an unnamed woman was also caught up in the attack in Wood Green on Friday.

It is understood the shooting occurred at about 5.45pm outside the Bros Bakery, in Lordship Lane, where Guzel would often sit. Cordons and diversions were put in place as forensic officers worked at the scene.
----
Sumbul said Guzel had two teenage children who were on holiday in Turkey. He said a similar incident happened in the area at the end of June, when a gunman tried to open fire but failed to discharge his weapon before fleeing.



****************


Man arrested after fatal shooting in busy London street

Police have made an arrest after a man was shot dead in a busy London street. Officers were called at 1.14pm after a gunman opened fire in Hackney in eastLondon. Shoppers reportedly looked on as the man was shot and killed in Chatsworth Road.

**********

Man critical after gang shooting

A man in his 20s is in a critical condition in hospital after suffering multiple gunshot wounds in a city street.

West Midlands Police said the victim was gunned down in Bevington Road, Aston, Birmingham, at 10.30pm last night after being approached by three masked men.

A police spokesman said officers were alerted to the incident by several 999 calls reporting shots being heard.

"Officers attended the scene and found an Asian man in his 20s lying in the street," the spokesman said.

"It appears he had been shot several times, possibly with a shotgun as he had a number of pellet wounds. He is detained in a critical condition in hospital."

Detectives, who have cordoned off the scene, have yet to establish a motive for the shooting, but say it does not appear to be linked to other recent shootings in the area.



As I keep saying....criminals in Britain gets guns easily.....and they use them when they want to use them...and not one law the British have passed is stopping this....

Those laws do keep normal people from getting guns....but they were never the problem....

So....what kept these shooters from walking into a school...or a theater?

And what are you anti gunners going to say when gun crime begins going up in these countries that confiscated guns....what will your excuse be then?

*******************


And a shooting from 2014....

Burmingham has a few shootings...but I thought that wasn't possible..

From 2014........

Birmingham shooting: Man killed in Sparkbrook, two injured - BBC News

Five men remain in police custody in connection with the fatal shooting of a 28-year-old man in Birmingham.

Two other injured men were taken to hospital, where a 25-year-old with knife wounds is in a critical condition, West Midlands police said.

A 22-year-old is being treated for gunshot injuries that are not thought to be life-threatening.

The only thing we harvest from the guns and knives on our streets is another generation of orphans and widows
Father Oliver Coss, Small Heath parish priest


Four of the arrested men are suspected of violent disorder, and the fifth man of possessing a class-A drug.

The dead man has been named locally as Ikram Elahi.

One witness claimed "about 200 to 300 lads" had gathered in the area around Stratford Road in Sparkbrook prior to the killing on Wednesday evening.



*****************

http://www.guns.com/2015/09/26/british-teen-sentenced-to-life-for-planned-school-attack/

Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.

Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.

As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.

According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.

Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.

The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.

In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”

He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.

that doesn't sound like a country with strict gun control afte a gun confiscation scheme....



*****
************************

UK's 'gun crime capital': rancour and regret over West Midlands label

About two miles north of Birmingham city centre, in the shadows of Aston Villa’s football stadium, a former gang elder struggles to count the number of times he’s been shot at.

“Loads. Loads,” says Simeon “Zimbo” Moore, 32, a former member of the Johnson Crew, one of Birmingham’s most notorious gangs. “When I was 18, 19, there was shootings every day.”

The most terrifying incident happened five years ago, he says, when he saw his younger cousin killed by a bullet fired through the back of his neck, lodging in his jaw.

“From 2005 to 2010 it was active, shootings were regular but they almost came to a stop for the main part of 2013. It’s slowly beginning to build back up again




The ONS figures show there were 540 firearms offences in the West Midlands in 2013-14, three times fewer than the 1,594 incidents in London. However, when the figures are compared per 100,000 of the population, the West Midlands has a rate of 19.4 incidents compared to 18.95 in the capital.

There were 41 more firearms offences in the West Midlands last year compared to the previous year, meaning that the region accounted for one in nine incidents of gun crime recorded in England and Wales.
I thought British criminals were peaceful and romantic? If we flood Britain with guns, will that make them calm down?

:rofl:



Hmmmm...as more Americans own and carry guns our violent crime rate and our gun murder rate went down...so yes....it will........
Well the percentage of Americans who own and carry guns is down. So your statement is bullshit.


No...that is a lie. Americans now own more guns and in 2013 11.1 million people carried guns....in 2015 that number has gone up to 13.1 million...well over it in fact...that number is just the number of permits issued...there are many states that do not require permits, so can't be counted......
 
I know...you are slow.......they have access to guns if they want them...easy access....that they don't use them as much is their choice, not a result of their gun control laws....Britain is an Island, they confiscated guns and have extreme gun control...for normal people. Their criminals get guns easily....their gun crime rates rise as their criminals decide they need more guns for their work.....

They have a different sub-culture...or they did...as my last post shows...their criminal sub culture is being infected by the Rap music culture.....and they are turning to guns more often....
I love this romantic vision you have of European criminals being peace loving and honorable. And accusing rap? Do you support rap control? :rofl:


Yes...rap culture doesn't encourage violence......:rofl:

Rap culture doesn't encourage violence, people encourage violence :rofl:


Keep telling yourself that.

Okay and you keep telling yourself your bullshit


And your descent into childish denial is now complete...........
 
And more on British gun crime ....

Liverpool police investigate gunshots outside school
_____________
Salford shooting: shocked locals see gang wars come to their door
But on Tuesday locals woke up to find their streets teeming with armed police, forensics officers, detectives and television cameras after the latest in a string of bloody shootings came to their doorstep.
“Shock is what everyone’s thinking – that, and hope that the perpetrator is caught and that the two victims are doing well,” said one woman, peering out of her front door down the cul-de-sac where a young mother and her seven-year-old son were shot at close range on Monday night.
The shooting, alarming for its callousness, is the 21st gun attack in Salford in 18 months. It follows four other shootings over the weekend in Bolton and Salford, the scenes of separate turf wars being played out between rival drugs gangs.
840.jpg

[paste:font size="6"]
This attack is being linked by detectives to the tit-for-tat violence in Salford, which has been bubbling under the surface for more than a year.
The feud burst into the open in July with the murder of Salford’s “Mr Big”, Paul Massey, who was shot dead on the drive of his family home in Clifton, four miles away. His killer remains at large.
“If it’s owt to do with Paul Massey, people won’t say nowt. They’ll be too scared of reprisals,” said one elderly woman walking her dog, who asked not to be named because “that’s how it is”.
-----------


http://www.desiblitz.com/content/salford-named-gun-crime-hub-manchester


Salford has been revealed to be the top hotspot for gun crimes in Manchester. Almost 40 per cent of the city’s shooting incidents have been recorded in the area between 2011 and 2014.

In a set of exclusive figures published by Manchester Evening News, 35 out of 91 incidents related to firearm took place in Salford during the four-year period.




Here is the full list of total reported gun crimes in Manchester, ranked by area:




    • Salford ~ 35
    • South Manchester ~ 22
    • Oldham ~ 9
    • Tameside ~ 6
    • Wigan ~ 6
    • Trafford ~ 4
    • Stockport ~ 3
    • Bolton ~ 2
    • Bury ~ 2
    • Rochdale ~ 1
    • Unidentified ~ 1
****************
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/gun-crime-manchester-salford-rise-9723072


he brazen shooting of a man standing outside a pub with his friends in Wythenshawe is the latest example of spiralling gun crime in Greater Manchester.

Our timeline shows it is the latest of at least 30 shootings - three of them fatal - in the last 14 months, most of them in Salford.

******************************
http://www.lfpress.com/2015/06/14/eighteen-year-old-shot-to-death-in-east-london-parking



A teenager was gunned down behind a northeast London plaza Sunday in an early-morning homicide, the city’s fourth killing of the year.

Police were responding to a disturbance in a parking lot at 1181 Highbury Ave., south of Huron St., at 5:20 a.m. when they received a report of gunshots fired at a nearby strip mall.

Officers found an 18-year-old male — identified as Jeremy Ryan Cook, originally of Brampton — with gunshot wounds behind the plaza.

The teen died at the scene, police said.


*********************************
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/11/police-investigation-north-london-shooting-wood-green-erdogan-guzel


Police have begun a murder investigation after a man was killed and a woman critically injured in a double shooting on a busy London high street.

The man was named locally as Erdogan Guzel, a 42-year-old father-of-two, while an unnamed woman was also caught up in the attack in Wood Green on Friday.

It is understood the shooting occurred at about 5.45pm outside the Bros Bakery, in Lordship Lane, where Guzel would often sit. Cordons and diversions were put in place as forensic officers worked at the scene.
----
Sumbul said Guzel had two teenage children who were on holiday in Turkey. He said a similar incident happened in the area at the end of June, when a gunman tried to open fire but failed to discharge his weapon before fleeing.



****************


Man arrested after fatal shooting in busy London street

Police have made an arrest after a man was shot dead in a busy London street. Officers were called at 1.14pm after a gunman opened fire in Hackney in eastLondon. Shoppers reportedly looked on as the man was shot and killed in Chatsworth Road.

**********

Man critical after gang shooting

A man in his 20s is in a critical condition in hospital after suffering multiple gunshot wounds in a city street.

West Midlands Police said the victim was gunned down in Bevington Road, Aston, Birmingham, at 10.30pm last night after being approached by three masked men.

A police spokesman said officers were alerted to the incident by several 999 calls reporting shots being heard.

"Officers attended the scene and found an Asian man in his 20s lying in the street," the spokesman said.

"It appears he had been shot several times, possibly with a shotgun as he had a number of pellet wounds. He is detained in a critical condition in hospital."

Detectives, who have cordoned off the scene, have yet to establish a motive for the shooting, but say it does not appear to be linked to other recent shootings in the area.



As I keep saying....criminals in Britain gets guns easily.....and they use them when they want to use them...and not one law the British have passed is stopping this....

Those laws do keep normal people from getting guns....but they were never the problem....

So....what kept these shooters from walking into a school...or a theater?

And what are you anti gunners going to say when gun crime begins going up in these countries that confiscated guns....what will your excuse be then?

*******************


And a shooting from 2014....

Burmingham has a few shootings...but I thought that wasn't possible..

From 2014........

Birmingham shooting: Man killed in Sparkbrook, two injured - BBC News

Five men remain in police custody in connection with the fatal shooting of a 28-year-old man in Birmingham.

Two other injured men were taken to hospital, where a 25-year-old with knife wounds is in a critical condition, West Midlands police said.

A 22-year-old is being treated for gunshot injuries that are not thought to be life-threatening.

The only thing we harvest from the guns and knives on our streets is another generation of orphans and widows
Father Oliver Coss, Small Heath parish priest


Four of the arrested men are suspected of violent disorder, and the fifth man of possessing a class-A drug.

The dead man has been named locally as Ikram Elahi.

One witness claimed "about 200 to 300 lads" had gathered in the area around Stratford Road in Sparkbrook prior to the killing on Wednesday evening.



*****************

http://www.guns.com/2015/09/26/british-teen-sentenced-to-life-for-planned-school-attack/

Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.

Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.

As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.

According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.

Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.

The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.

In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”

He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.

that doesn't sound like a country with strict gun control afte a gun confiscation scheme....



*****
************************

UK's 'gun crime capital': rancour and regret over West Midlands label

About two miles north of Birmingham city centre, in the shadows of Aston Villa’s football stadium, a former gang elder struggles to count the number of times he’s been shot at.

“Loads. Loads,” says Simeon “Zimbo” Moore, 32, a former member of the Johnson Crew, one of Birmingham’s most notorious gangs. “When I was 18, 19, there was shootings every day.”

The most terrifying incident happened five years ago, he says, when he saw his younger cousin killed by a bullet fired through the back of his neck, lodging in his jaw.

“From 2005 to 2010 it was active, shootings were regular but they almost came to a stop for the main part of 2013. It’s slowly beginning to build back up again




The ONS figures show there were 540 firearms offences in the West Midlands in 2013-14, three times fewer than the 1,594 incidents in London. However, when the figures are compared per 100,000 of the population, the West Midlands has a rate of 19.4 incidents compared to 18.95 in the capital.

There were 41 more firearms offences in the West Midlands last year compared to the previous year, meaning that the region accounted for one in nine incidents of gun crime recorded in England and Wales.
I thought British criminals were peaceful and romantic? If we flood Britain with guns, will that make them calm down?

:rofl:



Hmmmm...as more Americans own and carry guns our violent crime rate and our gun murder rate went down...so yes....it will........
Well the percentage of Americans who own and carry guns is down. So your statement is bullshit.


No...that is a lie. Americans now own more guns and in 2013 11.1 million people carried guns....in 2015 that number has gone up to 13.1 million...well over it in fact...that number is just the number of permits issued...there are many states that do not require permits, so can't be counted......

CCW permits have no impact on total gun ownership rates, as I told you earlier.
 
I love this romantic vision you have of European criminals being peace loving and honorable. And accusing rap? Do you support rap control? :rofl:


Yes...rap culture doesn't encourage violence......:rofl:

Rap culture doesn't encourage violence, people encourage violence :rofl:


Keep telling yourself that.

Okay and you keep telling yourself your bullshit


And your descent into childish denial is now complete...........
I'm arguing with a wall. Might as well have some fun with it.
 
And more on British gun crime ....

Liverpool police investigate gunshots outside school
_____________
Salford shooting: shocked locals see gang wars come to their door
But on Tuesday locals woke up to find their streets teeming with armed police, forensics officers, detectives and television cameras after the latest in a string of bloody shootings came to their doorstep.
“Shock is what everyone’s thinking – that, and hope that the perpetrator is caught and that the two victims are doing well,” said one woman, peering out of her front door down the cul-de-sac where a young mother and her seven-year-old son were shot at close range on Monday night.
The shooting, alarming for its callousness, is the 21st gun attack in Salford in 18 months. It follows four other shootings over the weekend in Bolton and Salford, the scenes of separate turf wars being played out between rival drugs gangs.
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This attack is being linked by detectives to the tit-for-tat violence in Salford, which has been bubbling under the surface for more than a year.
The feud burst into the open in July with the murder of Salford’s “Mr Big”, Paul Massey, who was shot dead on the drive of his family home in Clifton, four miles away. His killer remains at large.
“If it’s owt to do with Paul Massey, people won’t say nowt. They’ll be too scared of reprisals,” said one elderly woman walking her dog, who asked not to be named because “that’s how it is”.
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http://www.desiblitz.com/content/salford-named-gun-crime-hub-manchester


Salford has been revealed to be the top hotspot for gun crimes in Manchester. Almost 40 per cent of the city’s shooting incidents have been recorded in the area between 2011 and 2014.

In a set of exclusive figures published by Manchester Evening News, 35 out of 91 incidents related to firearm took place in Salford during the four-year period.




Here is the full list of total reported gun crimes in Manchester, ranked by area:




    • Salford ~ 35
    • South Manchester ~ 22
    • Oldham ~ 9
    • Tameside ~ 6
    • Wigan ~ 6
    • Trafford ~ 4
    • Stockport ~ 3
    • Bolton ~ 2
    • Bury ~ 2
    • Rochdale ~ 1
    • Unidentified ~ 1
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http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/gun-crime-manchester-salford-rise-9723072


he brazen shooting of a man standing outside a pub with his friends in Wythenshawe is the latest example of spiralling gun crime in Greater Manchester.

Our timeline shows it is the latest of at least 30 shootings - three of them fatal - in the last 14 months, most of them in Salford.

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http://www.lfpress.com/2015/06/14/eighteen-year-old-shot-to-death-in-east-london-parking



A teenager was gunned down behind a northeast London plaza Sunday in an early-morning homicide, the city’s fourth killing of the year.

Police were responding to a disturbance in a parking lot at 1181 Highbury Ave., south of Huron St., at 5:20 a.m. when they received a report of gunshots fired at a nearby strip mall.

Officers found an 18-year-old male — identified as Jeremy Ryan Cook, originally of Brampton — with gunshot wounds behind the plaza.

The teen died at the scene, police said.


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http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/11/police-investigation-north-london-shooting-wood-green-erdogan-guzel


Police have begun a murder investigation after a man was killed and a woman critically injured in a double shooting on a busy London high street.

The man was named locally as Erdogan Guzel, a 42-year-old father-of-two, while an unnamed woman was also caught up in the attack in Wood Green on Friday.

It is understood the shooting occurred at about 5.45pm outside the Bros Bakery, in Lordship Lane, where Guzel would often sit. Cordons and diversions were put in place as forensic officers worked at the scene.
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Sumbul said Guzel had two teenage children who were on holiday in Turkey. He said a similar incident happened in the area at the end of June, when a gunman tried to open fire but failed to discharge his weapon before fleeing.



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Man arrested after fatal shooting in busy London street

Police have made an arrest after a man was shot dead in a busy London street. Officers were called at 1.14pm after a gunman opened fire in Hackney in eastLondon. Shoppers reportedly looked on as the man was shot and killed in Chatsworth Road.

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Man critical after gang shooting

A man in his 20s is in a critical condition in hospital after suffering multiple gunshot wounds in a city street.

West Midlands Police said the victim was gunned down in Bevington Road, Aston, Birmingham, at 10.30pm last night after being approached by three masked men.

A police spokesman said officers were alerted to the incident by several 999 calls reporting shots being heard.

"Officers attended the scene and found an Asian man in his 20s lying in the street," the spokesman said.

"It appears he had been shot several times, possibly with a shotgun as he had a number of pellet wounds. He is detained in a critical condition in hospital."

Detectives, who have cordoned off the scene, have yet to establish a motive for the shooting, but say it does not appear to be linked to other recent shootings in the area.



As I keep saying....criminals in Britain gets guns easily.....and they use them when they want to use them...and not one law the British have passed is stopping this....

Those laws do keep normal people from getting guns....but they were never the problem....

So....what kept these shooters from walking into a school...or a theater?

And what are you anti gunners going to say when gun crime begins going up in these countries that confiscated guns....what will your excuse be then?

*******************


And a shooting from 2014....

Burmingham has a few shootings...but I thought that wasn't possible..

From 2014........

Birmingham shooting: Man killed in Sparkbrook, two injured - BBC News

Five men remain in police custody in connection with the fatal shooting of a 28-year-old man in Birmingham.

Two other injured men were taken to hospital, where a 25-year-old with knife wounds is in a critical condition, West Midlands police said.

A 22-year-old is being treated for gunshot injuries that are not thought to be life-threatening.

The only thing we harvest from the guns and knives on our streets is another generation of orphans and widows
Father Oliver Coss, Small Heath parish priest


Four of the arrested men are suspected of violent disorder, and the fifth man of possessing a class-A drug.

The dead man has been named locally as Ikram Elahi.

One witness claimed "about 200 to 300 lads" had gathered in the area around Stratford Road in Sparkbrook prior to the killing on Wednesday evening.



*****************

http://www.guns.com/2015/09/26/british-teen-sentenced-to-life-for-planned-school-attack/

Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.

Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.

As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.

According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.

Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.

The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.

In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”

He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.

that doesn't sound like a country with strict gun control afte a gun confiscation scheme....



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UK's 'gun crime capital': rancour and regret over West Midlands label

About two miles north of Birmingham city centre, in the shadows of Aston Villa’s football stadium, a former gang elder struggles to count the number of times he’s been shot at.

“Loads. Loads,” says Simeon “Zimbo” Moore, 32, a former member of the Johnson Crew, one of Birmingham’s most notorious gangs. “When I was 18, 19, there was shootings every day.”

The most terrifying incident happened five years ago, he says, when he saw his younger cousin killed by a bullet fired through the back of his neck, lodging in his jaw.

“From 2005 to 2010 it was active, shootings were regular but they almost came to a stop for the main part of 2013. It’s slowly beginning to build back up again




The ONS figures show there were 540 firearms offences in the West Midlands in 2013-14, three times fewer than the 1,594 incidents in London. However, when the figures are compared per 100,000 of the population, the West Midlands has a rate of 19.4 incidents compared to 18.95 in the capital.

There were 41 more firearms offences in the West Midlands last year compared to the previous year, meaning that the region accounted for one in nine incidents of gun crime recorded in England and Wales.
I thought British criminals were peaceful and romantic? If we flood Britain with guns, will that make them calm down?

:rofl:



Hmmmm...as more Americans own and carry guns our violent crime rate and our gun murder rate went down...so yes....it will........
Well the percentage of Americans who own and carry guns is down. So your statement is bullshit.


Please...tell me that CBS news in Washington D.C. is a pawn of the NRA and gun industry......I love it when you children say stuff like that...

Report: Number Of Concealed Carry Permits Surges As Violent Crime Rate Drops

The “Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States” report from the Crime Prevention Research Center released Wednesday analyzed parallels between a 22 percent drop in the overall violent crime rate in the same time period in which the percentage of the adult population with concealed carry permits soared by 130 percent.

The report finds that 11.1 million Americans now have permits to carry concealed weapons, which are up from 4.5 million in 2007. This 146 percent increase parallels a nearly one-quarter (22 percent) drop in both murder and violent crime rates during the same time period.

Regarding right-to-carry laws as a form of deterrence to violent crime, the study authors note that the large majority of peer-reviewed academic studies conclude that permitted concealed handguns reduce violent crime. Those debates center around those who claim concealed handgun permits reduce crime and those who say it has no effect. The CPRC report focuses on states that allow right-to-carry permits and states that don’t require permits for concealed weapons rather than just the amount of permits.

Additionally, the report notes that the number of concealed carry permit holders “is likely much higher than 11.1 million,” because numbers are not available for all statues that issue permits, such as New York. And four states and the vast majority of Montana don’t require residents to have a permit to carry concealed handguns within the state – most of those permits are issued to carry outside the state.
 
Yes...this story was brought to my attention by Missourian...thanks. So I am posting it to point out again that criminals get guns easily, and that gun control keeps guns out of the hands of normal gun owners...the people who don't use guns to commit crimes......

Gun control does nothing to stop actual criminals..

And another example here......European criminals prefer fully automatic weapons....

Disguised attackers kill 1, injure 2 at Dublin hotel - CNN.com


(CNN)Gunmen, including two disguised as police and another one as a woman, burst into a Dublin hotel on Friday and opened fire during a weigh-in for a boxing match, killing one person, Irish police said.

In a statement, police said authorities were investigating a shooting that occurred at about 2:30 p.m. "at the Regency Hotel, Swords Road, Dublin 9." Authorities said they believe shots were fired inside and outside the weigh-in room, but investigations are continuing.

The BBC showed video, taken by a spectator, of a boxer and others scrambling for safety.

Organizers of Saturday's "Clash of the Clans" at the National Stadium subsequently canceled the boxing event.

The shooting was not an act of terrorism, a police representative told CNN. Investigators are looking into whether it is gang-related.

When emergency workers arrived, they found three injured men. One of the men, described as being in his 30s, was pronounced dead.

Two of the attackers wore helmets and SWAT-style uniforms, police said. They had automatic weapons.

Two others had handguns. One was disguised as a woman with an auburn wig. The second was described as stocky and wearing a beige cap.


Silly Wabbit.

The purpose of gun control is to disarm independent and freedom loving individuals in order to turn them into compliant tax serfs and debt donkeys.
 
And more on British gun crime ....

Liverpool police investigate gunshots outside school
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Salford shooting: shocked locals see gang wars come to their door
But on Tuesday locals woke up to find their streets teeming with armed police, forensics officers, detectives and television cameras after the latest in a string of bloody shootings came to their doorstep.
“Shock is what everyone’s thinking – that, and hope that the perpetrator is caught and that the two victims are doing well,” said one woman, peering out of her front door down the cul-de-sac where a young mother and her seven-year-old son were shot at close range on Monday night.
The shooting, alarming for its callousness, is the 21st gun attack in Salford in 18 months. It follows four other shootings over the weekend in Bolton and Salford, the scenes of separate turf wars being played out between rival drugs gangs.
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This attack is being linked by detectives to the tit-for-tat violence in Salford, which has been bubbling under the surface for more than a year.
The feud burst into the open in July with the murder of Salford’s “Mr Big”, Paul Massey, who was shot dead on the drive of his family home in Clifton, four miles away. His killer remains at large.
“If it’s owt to do with Paul Massey, people won’t say nowt. They’ll be too scared of reprisals,” said one elderly woman walking her dog, who asked not to be named because “that’s how it is”.
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http://www.desiblitz.com/content/salford-named-gun-crime-hub-manchester


Salford has been revealed to be the top hotspot for gun crimes in Manchester. Almost 40 per cent of the city’s shooting incidents have been recorded in the area between 2011 and 2014.

In a set of exclusive figures published by Manchester Evening News, 35 out of 91 incidents related to firearm took place in Salford during the four-year period.




Here is the full list of total reported gun crimes in Manchester, ranked by area:




    • Salford ~ 35
    • South Manchester ~ 22
    • Oldham ~ 9
    • Tameside ~ 6
    • Wigan ~ 6
    • Trafford ~ 4
    • Stockport ~ 3
    • Bolton ~ 2
    • Bury ~ 2
    • Rochdale ~ 1
    • Unidentified ~ 1
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http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/gun-crime-manchester-salford-rise-9723072


he brazen shooting of a man standing outside a pub with his friends in Wythenshawe is the latest example of spiralling gun crime in Greater Manchester.

Our timeline shows it is the latest of at least 30 shootings - three of them fatal - in the last 14 months, most of them in Salford.

******************************
http://www.lfpress.com/2015/06/14/eighteen-year-old-shot-to-death-in-east-london-parking



A teenager was gunned down behind a northeast London plaza Sunday in an early-morning homicide, the city’s fourth killing of the year.

Police were responding to a disturbance in a parking lot at 1181 Highbury Ave., south of Huron St., at 5:20 a.m. when they received a report of gunshots fired at a nearby strip mall.

Officers found an 18-year-old male — identified as Jeremy Ryan Cook, originally of Brampton — with gunshot wounds behind the plaza.

The teen died at the scene, police said.


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http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/11/police-investigation-north-london-shooting-wood-green-erdogan-guzel


Police have begun a murder investigation after a man was killed and a woman critically injured in a double shooting on a busy London high street.

The man was named locally as Erdogan Guzel, a 42-year-old father-of-two, while an unnamed woman was also caught up in the attack in Wood Green on Friday.

It is understood the shooting occurred at about 5.45pm outside the Bros Bakery, in Lordship Lane, where Guzel would often sit. Cordons and diversions were put in place as forensic officers worked at the scene.
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Sumbul said Guzel had two teenage children who were on holiday in Turkey. He said a similar incident happened in the area at the end of June, when a gunman tried to open fire but failed to discharge his weapon before fleeing.



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Man arrested after fatal shooting in busy London street

Police have made an arrest after a man was shot dead in a busy London street. Officers were called at 1.14pm after a gunman opened fire in Hackney in eastLondon. Shoppers reportedly looked on as the man was shot and killed in Chatsworth Road.

**********

Man critical after gang shooting

A man in his 20s is in a critical condition in hospital after suffering multiple gunshot wounds in a city street.

West Midlands Police said the victim was gunned down in Bevington Road, Aston, Birmingham, at 10.30pm last night after being approached by three masked men.

A police spokesman said officers were alerted to the incident by several 999 calls reporting shots being heard.

"Officers attended the scene and found an Asian man in his 20s lying in the street," the spokesman said.

"It appears he had been shot several times, possibly with a shotgun as he had a number of pellet wounds. He is detained in a critical condition in hospital."

Detectives, who have cordoned off the scene, have yet to establish a motive for the shooting, but say it does not appear to be linked to other recent shootings in the area.



As I keep saying....criminals in Britain gets guns easily.....and they use them when they want to use them...and not one law the British have passed is stopping this....

Those laws do keep normal people from getting guns....but they were never the problem....

So....what kept these shooters from walking into a school...or a theater?

And what are you anti gunners going to say when gun crime begins going up in these countries that confiscated guns....what will your excuse be then?

*******************


And a shooting from 2014....

Burmingham has a few shootings...but I thought that wasn't possible..

From 2014........

Birmingham shooting: Man killed in Sparkbrook, two injured - BBC News

Five men remain in police custody in connection with the fatal shooting of a 28-year-old man in Birmingham.

Two other injured men were taken to hospital, where a 25-year-old with knife wounds is in a critical condition, West Midlands police said.

A 22-year-old is being treated for gunshot injuries that are not thought to be life-threatening.

The only thing we harvest from the guns and knives on our streets is another generation of orphans and widows
Father Oliver Coss, Small Heath parish priest


Four of the arrested men are suspected of violent disorder, and the fifth man of possessing a class-A drug.

The dead man has been named locally as Ikram Elahi.

One witness claimed "about 200 to 300 lads" had gathered in the area around Stratford Road in Sparkbrook prior to the killing on Wednesday evening.



*****************

http://www.guns.com/2015/09/26/british-teen-sentenced-to-life-for-planned-school-attack/

Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.

Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.

As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.

According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.

Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.

The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.

In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”

He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.

that doesn't sound like a country with strict gun control afte a gun confiscation scheme....



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************************

UK's 'gun crime capital': rancour and regret over West Midlands label

About two miles north of Birmingham city centre, in the shadows of Aston Villa’s football stadium, a former gang elder struggles to count the number of times he’s been shot at.

“Loads. Loads,” says Simeon “Zimbo” Moore, 32, a former member of the Johnson Crew, one of Birmingham’s most notorious gangs. “When I was 18, 19, there was shootings every day.”

The most terrifying incident happened five years ago, he says, when he saw his younger cousin killed by a bullet fired through the back of his neck, lodging in his jaw.

“From 2005 to 2010 it was active, shootings were regular but they almost came to a stop for the main part of 2013. It’s slowly beginning to build back up again




The ONS figures show there were 540 firearms offences in the West Midlands in 2013-14, three times fewer than the 1,594 incidents in London. However, when the figures are compared per 100,000 of the population, the West Midlands has a rate of 19.4 incidents compared to 18.95 in the capital.

There were 41 more firearms offences in the West Midlands last year compared to the previous year, meaning that the region accounted for one in nine incidents of gun crime recorded in England and Wales.
I thought British criminals were peaceful and romantic? If we flood Britain with guns, will that make them calm down?

:rofl:



Hmmmm...as more Americans own and carry guns our violent crime rate and our gun murder rate went down...so yes....it will........
Well the percentage of Americans who own and carry guns is down. So your statement is bullshit.


No...that is a lie. Americans now own more guns and in 2013 11.1 million people carried guns....in 2015 that number has gone up to 13.1 million...well over it in fact...that number is just the number of permits issued...there are many states that do not require permits, so can't be counted......

CCW permits have no impact on total gun ownership rates, as I told you earlier.


I did not make that argument and neither did you....I pointed out surveys that show gun ownership is at least as high as it has always been and if you read the story you find fewer gun owners are admitting ownership to anonymous surveys over the phone.......
 
And more on British gun crime ....

Liverpool police investigate gunshots outside school
_____________
Salford shooting: shocked locals see gang wars come to their door
But on Tuesday locals woke up to find their streets teeming with armed police, forensics officers, detectives and television cameras after the latest in a string of bloody shootings came to their doorstep.
“Shock is what everyone’s thinking – that, and hope that the perpetrator is caught and that the two victims are doing well,” said one woman, peering out of her front door down the cul-de-sac where a young mother and her seven-year-old son were shot at close range on Monday night.
The shooting, alarming for its callousness, is the 21st gun attack in Salford in 18 months. It follows four other shootings over the weekend in Bolton and Salford, the scenes of separate turf wars being played out between rival drugs gangs.
840.jpg

[paste:font size="6"]
This attack is being linked by detectives to the tit-for-tat violence in Salford, which has been bubbling under the surface for more than a year.
The feud burst into the open in July with the murder of Salford’s “Mr Big”, Paul Massey, who was shot dead on the drive of his family home in Clifton, four miles away. His killer remains at large.
“If it’s owt to do with Paul Massey, people won’t say nowt. They’ll be too scared of reprisals,” said one elderly woman walking her dog, who asked not to be named because “that’s how it is”.
-----------


http://www.desiblitz.com/content/salford-named-gun-crime-hub-manchester


Salford has been revealed to be the top hotspot for gun crimes in Manchester. Almost 40 per cent of the city’s shooting incidents have been recorded in the area between 2011 and 2014.

In a set of exclusive figures published by Manchester Evening News, 35 out of 91 incidents related to firearm took place in Salford during the four-year period.




Here is the full list of total reported gun crimes in Manchester, ranked by area:




    • Salford ~ 35
    • South Manchester ~ 22
    • Oldham ~ 9
    • Tameside ~ 6
    • Wigan ~ 6
    • Trafford ~ 4
    • Stockport ~ 3
    • Bolton ~ 2
    • Bury ~ 2
    • Rochdale ~ 1
    • Unidentified ~ 1
****************
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/gun-crime-manchester-salford-rise-9723072


he brazen shooting of a man standing outside a pub with his friends in Wythenshawe is the latest example of spiralling gun crime in Greater Manchester.

Our timeline shows it is the latest of at least 30 shootings - three of them fatal - in the last 14 months, most of them in Salford.

******************************
http://www.lfpress.com/2015/06/14/eighteen-year-old-shot-to-death-in-east-london-parking



A teenager was gunned down behind a northeast London plaza Sunday in an early-morning homicide, the city’s fourth killing of the year.

Police were responding to a disturbance in a parking lot at 1181 Highbury Ave., south of Huron St., at 5:20 a.m. when they received a report of gunshots fired at a nearby strip mall.

Officers found an 18-year-old male — identified as Jeremy Ryan Cook, originally of Brampton — with gunshot wounds behind the plaza.

The teen died at the scene, police said.


*********************************
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/11/police-investigation-north-london-shooting-wood-green-erdogan-guzel


Police have begun a murder investigation after a man was killed and a woman critically injured in a double shooting on a busy London high street.

The man was named locally as Erdogan Guzel, a 42-year-old father-of-two, while an unnamed woman was also caught up in the attack in Wood Green on Friday.

It is understood the shooting occurred at about 5.45pm outside the Bros Bakery, in Lordship Lane, where Guzel would often sit. Cordons and diversions were put in place as forensic officers worked at the scene.
----
Sumbul said Guzel had two teenage children who were on holiday in Turkey. He said a similar incident happened in the area at the end of June, when a gunman tried to open fire but failed to discharge his weapon before fleeing.



****************


Man arrested after fatal shooting in busy London street

Police have made an arrest after a man was shot dead in a busy London street. Officers were called at 1.14pm after a gunman opened fire in Hackney in eastLondon. Shoppers reportedly looked on as the man was shot and killed in Chatsworth Road.

**********

Man critical after gang shooting

A man in his 20s is in a critical condition in hospital after suffering multiple gunshot wounds in a city street.

West Midlands Police said the victim was gunned down in Bevington Road, Aston, Birmingham, at 10.30pm last night after being approached by three masked men.

A police spokesman said officers were alerted to the incident by several 999 calls reporting shots being heard.

"Officers attended the scene and found an Asian man in his 20s lying in the street," the spokesman said.

"It appears he had been shot several times, possibly with a shotgun as he had a number of pellet wounds. He is detained in a critical condition in hospital."

Detectives, who have cordoned off the scene, have yet to establish a motive for the shooting, but say it does not appear to be linked to other recent shootings in the area.



As I keep saying....criminals in Britain gets guns easily.....and they use them when they want to use them...and not one law the British have passed is stopping this....

Those laws do keep normal people from getting guns....but they were never the problem....

So....what kept these shooters from walking into a school...or a theater?

And what are you anti gunners going to say when gun crime begins going up in these countries that confiscated guns....what will your excuse be then?

*******************


And a shooting from 2014....

Burmingham has a few shootings...but I thought that wasn't possible..

From 2014........

Birmingham shooting: Man killed in Sparkbrook, two injured - BBC News

Five men remain in police custody in connection with the fatal shooting of a 28-year-old man in Birmingham.

Two other injured men were taken to hospital, where a 25-year-old with knife wounds is in a critical condition, West Midlands police said.

A 22-year-old is being treated for gunshot injuries that are not thought to be life-threatening.

The only thing we harvest from the guns and knives on our streets is another generation of orphans and widows
Father Oliver Coss, Small Heath parish priest


Four of the arrested men are suspected of violent disorder, and the fifth man of possessing a class-A drug.

The dead man has been named locally as Ikram Elahi.

One witness claimed "about 200 to 300 lads" had gathered in the area around Stratford Road in Sparkbrook prior to the killing on Wednesday evening.



*****************

http://www.guns.com/2015/09/26/british-teen-sentenced-to-life-for-planned-school-attack/

Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.

Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.

As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.

According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.

Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.

The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.

In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”

He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.

that doesn't sound like a country with strict gun control afte a gun confiscation scheme....



*****
************************

UK's 'gun crime capital': rancour and regret over West Midlands label

About two miles north of Birmingham city centre, in the shadows of Aston Villa’s football stadium, a former gang elder struggles to count the number of times he’s been shot at.

“Loads. Loads,” says Simeon “Zimbo” Moore, 32, a former member of the Johnson Crew, one of Birmingham’s most notorious gangs. “When I was 18, 19, there was shootings every day.”

The most terrifying incident happened five years ago, he says, when he saw his younger cousin killed by a bullet fired through the back of his neck, lodging in his jaw.

“From 2005 to 2010 it was active, shootings were regular but they almost came to a stop for the main part of 2013. It’s slowly beginning to build back up again




The ONS figures show there were 540 firearms offences in the West Midlands in 2013-14, three times fewer than the 1,594 incidents in London. However, when the figures are compared per 100,000 of the population, the West Midlands has a rate of 19.4 incidents compared to 18.95 in the capital.

There were 41 more firearms offences in the West Midlands last year compared to the previous year, meaning that the region accounted for one in nine incidents of gun crime recorded in England and Wales.
I thought British criminals were peaceful and romantic? If we flood Britain with guns, will that make them calm down?

:rofl:



Hmmmm...as more Americans own and carry guns our violent crime rate and our gun murder rate went down...so yes....it will........
Well the percentage of Americans who own and carry guns is down. So your statement is bullshit.


Please...tell me that CBS news in Washington D.C. is a pawn of the NRA and gun industry......I love it when you children say stuff like that...

Report: Number Of Concealed Carry Permits Surges As Violent Crime Rate Drops

The Snow Leopard population has also surged as violent crime rates drop
 
Yes...this story was brought to my attention by Missourian...thanks. So I am posting it to point out again that criminals get guns easily, and that gun control keeps guns out of the hands of normal gun owners...the people who don't use guns to commit crimes......

Gun control does nothing to stop actual criminals..

And another example here......European criminals prefer fully automatic weapons....

Disguised attackers kill 1, injure 2 at Dublin hotel - CNN.com


(CNN)Gunmen, including two disguised as police and another one as a woman, burst into a Dublin hotel on Friday and opened fire during a weigh-in for a boxing match, killing one person, Irish police said.

In a statement, police said authorities were investigating a shooting that occurred at about 2:30 p.m. "at the Regency Hotel, Swords Road, Dublin 9." Authorities said they believe shots were fired inside and outside the weigh-in room, but investigations are continuing.

The BBC showed video, taken by a spectator, of a boxer and others scrambling for safety.

Organizers of Saturday's "Clash of the Clans" at the National Stadium subsequently canceled the boxing event.

The shooting was not an act of terrorism, a police representative told CNN. Investigators are looking into whether it is gang-related.

When emergency workers arrived, they found three injured men. One of the men, described as being in his 30s, was pronounced dead.

Two of the attackers wore helmets and SWAT-style uniforms, police said. They had automatic weapons.

Two others had handguns. One was disguised as a woman with an auburn wig. The second was described as stocky and wearing a beige cap.


Silly Wabbit.

The purpose of gun control is to disarm independent and freedom loving individuals in order to turn them into compliant tax serfs and debt donkeys.
^ She says, typing from a country with more guns than people
 
Yes...this story was brought to my attention by Missourian...thanks. So I am posting it to point out again that criminals get guns easily, and that gun control keeps guns out of the hands of normal gun owners...the people who don't use guns to commit crimes......

Gun control does nothing to stop actual criminals..

And another example here......European criminals prefer fully automatic weapons....

Disguised attackers kill 1, injure 2 at Dublin hotel - CNN.com


(CNN)Gunmen, including two disguised as police and another one as a woman, burst into a Dublin hotel on Friday and opened fire during a weigh-in for a boxing match, killing one person, Irish police said.

In a statement, police said authorities were investigating a shooting that occurred at about 2:30 p.m. "at the Regency Hotel, Swords Road, Dublin 9." Authorities said they believe shots were fired inside and outside the weigh-in room, but investigations are continuing.

The BBC showed video, taken by a spectator, of a boxer and others scrambling for safety.

Organizers of Saturday's "Clash of the Clans" at the National Stadium subsequently canceled the boxing event.

The shooting was not an act of terrorism, a police representative told CNN. Investigators are looking into whether it is gang-related.

When emergency workers arrived, they found three injured men. One of the men, described as being in his 30s, was pronounced dead.

Two of the attackers wore helmets and SWAT-style uniforms, police said. They had automatic weapons.

Two others had handguns. One was disguised as a woman with an auburn wig. The second was described as stocky and wearing a beige cap.


Silly Wabbit.

The purpose of gun control is to disarm independent and freedom loving individuals in order to turn them into compliant tax serfs and debt donkeys.
^ She says, typing from a country with more guns than people


And I like this fact...

Although cautioning that nationwide “simple cross-sectional comparisons” can present misleading data, the report used new state -level permit data from 2007 on to determine that for each one percentage point increase in the percent of the U.S. adult population holding permits is roughly paralleled with a 1.4 percent drop in the murder rate.
 
And more on British gun crime ....

Liverpool police investigate gunshots outside school
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Salford shooting: shocked locals see gang wars come to their door
But on Tuesday locals woke up to find their streets teeming with armed police, forensics officers, detectives and television cameras after the latest in a string of bloody shootings came to their doorstep.
“Shock is what everyone’s thinking – that, and hope that the perpetrator is caught and that the two victims are doing well,” said one woman, peering out of her front door down the cul-de-sac where a young mother and her seven-year-old son were shot at close range on Monday night.
The shooting, alarming for its callousness, is the 21st gun attack in Salford in 18 months. It follows four other shootings over the weekend in Bolton and Salford, the scenes of separate turf wars being played out between rival drugs gangs.
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This attack is being linked by detectives to the tit-for-tat violence in Salford, which has been bubbling under the surface for more than a year.
The feud burst into the open in July with the murder of Salford’s “Mr Big”, Paul Massey, who was shot dead on the drive of his family home in Clifton, four miles away. His killer remains at large.
“If it’s owt to do with Paul Massey, people won’t say nowt. They’ll be too scared of reprisals,” said one elderly woman walking her dog, who asked not to be named because “that’s how it is”.
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http://www.desiblitz.com/content/salford-named-gun-crime-hub-manchester


Salford has been revealed to be the top hotspot for gun crimes in Manchester. Almost 40 per cent of the city’s shooting incidents have been recorded in the area between 2011 and 2014.

In a set of exclusive figures published by Manchester Evening News, 35 out of 91 incidents related to firearm took place in Salford during the four-year period.




Here is the full list of total reported gun crimes in Manchester, ranked by area:




    • Salford ~ 35
    • South Manchester ~ 22
    • Oldham ~ 9
    • Tameside ~ 6
    • Wigan ~ 6
    • Trafford ~ 4
    • Stockport ~ 3
    • Bolton ~ 2
    • Bury ~ 2
    • Rochdale ~ 1
    • Unidentified ~ 1
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http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/gun-crime-manchester-salford-rise-9723072


he brazen shooting of a man standing outside a pub with his friends in Wythenshawe is the latest example of spiralling gun crime in Greater Manchester.

Our timeline shows it is the latest of at least 30 shootings - three of them fatal - in the last 14 months, most of them in Salford.

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http://www.lfpress.com/2015/06/14/eighteen-year-old-shot-to-death-in-east-london-parking



A teenager was gunned down behind a northeast London plaza Sunday in an early-morning homicide, the city’s fourth killing of the year.

Police were responding to a disturbance in a parking lot at 1181 Highbury Ave., south of Huron St., at 5:20 a.m. when they received a report of gunshots fired at a nearby strip mall.

Officers found an 18-year-old male — identified as Jeremy Ryan Cook, originally of Brampton — with gunshot wounds behind the plaza.

The teen died at the scene, police said.


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http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/11/police-investigation-north-london-shooting-wood-green-erdogan-guzel


Police have begun a murder investigation after a man was killed and a woman critically injured in a double shooting on a busy London high street.

The man was named locally as Erdogan Guzel, a 42-year-old father-of-two, while an unnamed woman was also caught up in the attack in Wood Green on Friday.

It is understood the shooting occurred at about 5.45pm outside the Bros Bakery, in Lordship Lane, where Guzel would often sit. Cordons and diversions were put in place as forensic officers worked at the scene.
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Sumbul said Guzel had two teenage children who were on holiday in Turkey. He said a similar incident happened in the area at the end of June, when a gunman tried to open fire but failed to discharge his weapon before fleeing.



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Man arrested after fatal shooting in busy London street

Police have made an arrest after a man was shot dead in a busy London street. Officers were called at 1.14pm after a gunman opened fire in Hackney in eastLondon. Shoppers reportedly looked on as the man was shot and killed in Chatsworth Road.

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Man critical after gang shooting

A man in his 20s is in a critical condition in hospital after suffering multiple gunshot wounds in a city street.

West Midlands Police said the victim was gunned down in Bevington Road, Aston, Birmingham, at 10.30pm last night after being approached by three masked men.

A police spokesman said officers were alerted to the incident by several 999 calls reporting shots being heard.

"Officers attended the scene and found an Asian man in his 20s lying in the street," the spokesman said.

"It appears he had been shot several times, possibly with a shotgun as he had a number of pellet wounds. He is detained in a critical condition in hospital."

Detectives, who have cordoned off the scene, have yet to establish a motive for the shooting, but say it does not appear to be linked to other recent shootings in the area.



As I keep saying....criminals in Britain gets guns easily.....and they use them when they want to use them...and not one law the British have passed is stopping this....

Those laws do keep normal people from getting guns....but they were never the problem....

So....what kept these shooters from walking into a school...or a theater?

And what are you anti gunners going to say when gun crime begins going up in these countries that confiscated guns....what will your excuse be then?

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And a shooting from 2014....

Burmingham has a few shootings...but I thought that wasn't possible..

From 2014........

Birmingham shooting: Man killed in Sparkbrook, two injured - BBC News

Five men remain in police custody in connection with the fatal shooting of a 28-year-old man in Birmingham.

Two other injured men were taken to hospital, where a 25-year-old with knife wounds is in a critical condition, West Midlands police said.

A 22-year-old is being treated for gunshot injuries that are not thought to be life-threatening.

The only thing we harvest from the guns and knives on our streets is another generation of orphans and widows
Father Oliver Coss, Small Heath parish priest


Four of the arrested men are suspected of violent disorder, and the fifth man of possessing a class-A drug.

The dead man has been named locally as Ikram Elahi.

One witness claimed "about 200 to 300 lads" had gathered in the area around Stratford Road in Sparkbrook prior to the killing on Wednesday evening.



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http://www.guns.com/2015/09/26/british-teen-sentenced-to-life-for-planned-school-attack/

Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.

Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.

As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.

According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.

Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.

The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.

In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”

He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.

that doesn't sound like a country with strict gun control afte a gun confiscation scheme....



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UK's 'gun crime capital': rancour and regret over West Midlands label

About two miles north of Birmingham city centre, in the shadows of Aston Villa’s football stadium, a former gang elder struggles to count the number of times he’s been shot at.

“Loads. Loads,” says Simeon “Zimbo” Moore, 32, a former member of the Johnson Crew, one of Birmingham’s most notorious gangs. “When I was 18, 19, there was shootings every day.”

The most terrifying incident happened five years ago, he says, when he saw his younger cousin killed by a bullet fired through the back of his neck, lodging in his jaw.

“From 2005 to 2010 it was active, shootings were regular but they almost came to a stop for the main part of 2013. It’s slowly beginning to build back up again




The ONS figures show there were 540 firearms offences in the West Midlands in 2013-14, three times fewer than the 1,594 incidents in London. However, when the figures are compared per 100,000 of the population, the West Midlands has a rate of 19.4 incidents compared to 18.95 in the capital.

There were 41 more firearms offences in the West Midlands last year compared to the previous year, meaning that the region accounted for one in nine incidents of gun crime recorded in England and Wales.
I thought British criminals were peaceful and romantic? If we flood Britain with guns, will that make them calm down?

:rofl:



Hmmmm...as more Americans own and carry guns our violent crime rate and our gun murder rate went down...so yes....it will........
Well the percentage of Americans who own and carry guns is down. So your statement is bullshit.


Please...tell me that CBS news in Washington D.C. is a pawn of the NRA and gun industry......I love it when you children say stuff like that...

Report: Number Of Concealed Carry Permits Surges As Violent Crime Rate Drops

The Snow Leopard population has also surged as violent crime rates drop


I know....once you can't deny the truth, the facts or reality.....things your brain simply cannot handle....you melt down and enter a simpler, child like state that shields you from that very truth, reality and facts you can't handle..........
 

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