Shooting in Dublin, automatic weapons and pistols...but...but...gun control?

[2aguy]

No racist pig, I am pointing out that making a law that targets normal gun owners, and takes their guns and does nothing to stop criminals is stupid.

The best way to stop gun criminals...arrest them when they break the law, and arrest felons when they are caught with illegal guns.....and lock them up a long time.

Normal gun owners are not using guns to commit crimes, yet those are the only people you care about when it comes to guns...so our gun crime rate isn't dealt with....

And again...as more normal Americans own and carry guns....our gun crime rate and our gun murder rate has gone down, not up...

The percent of households with guns in this country has severely gone down over the last several decades. But I suppose we could just ignore that.

Wrong....there are more guns in more hands in America than ever before..........you should stop paying attention to anti gun propaganda......I know where you got that idea, and it has been disproven over and over again. The General Social Survey is led by an anti gunner....and other surveys dispute it's findings.....

There are now 13 million Americans carrying guns for self defense...and our gun crime rate has gone down, our gun murder rate has gone down......how is that possible?

The percentage of Americans carrying guns has greatly decreased. Your stat is stupid, as it will always be parallel with our total population.

Wrong again......in 2013 there were 11.1 million people carrying guns for self defense, now there are 13 million people carrying with the growing sectors women and minoritites......

You can't dispute the stat but calling it stupid seems to work for you....see...whenever a lefty, ant gun nutjob like you looses a debate you resort to being a child.....good for you.....I know you can't help it...your brain lacks the ability to process the truth, facts and reality...as well as the difference between right and wrong and good and evil...you can't help it...you were born that way...

In 1973 47% of households had a gun, and 48% of people carried guns. In 2014 those numbers were 31% and 32%. And YOU can't dispute THAT!

And you are wrong again...

Is gun ownership really down in America? | Fox News

Surely, gun control advocates such as GSS director Tom Smith view this decline as a good thing. In a 2003 book of mine, I quoted Smith as saying that the large drop in gun ownership would “make it easier for politicians to do the right thing on guns” and pass more restrictive regulations.

Other gun control advocates have mentioned to me that they hope that if people believe fewer people own guns, that may cause others to rethink their decision to own one themselves. It is part of the reason they dramatically exaggerate the risks of having guns in the home.

The Associated Press and Time ignored other polls by Gallup and ABC News/Washington Post.

These polls show that gun ownership rates have been flat over the same period. According to Gallup, household gun ownership has ranged from 51 percent in 1994 to 34 percent in 1999. In 2014, it was at 42 percent – comparable to the 43-45 percent figures during the 1970s.

A 2011 Gallup poll with the headline “Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993” appears to have gotten no news coverage.

The ABC News/Washington Post poll shows an even more stable pattern, with household gun ownership between 44 and 46 percent in 1999. In 2013, the ownership rate was 43 percent.

There are other measures that suggest that we should be very careful of relying too heavily on polling to gauge the level of gun ownership. For example, the nationally number of concealed handgun permits has soared over the last decade: rising from about 2.7 million in 1999 to 4.6 million in 2007 to 11.1 million in 2014.

The National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) shows that the number of gun purchases has grown dramatically over time –doubling from 2006 to 2014.

 

[2aguy]

Culture is a powerful thing.......criminals in Europe use guns...all the time..they just don't murder each other...that seems to be something American criminals do. Gun crime happens all the time in Britain....it is at the same level it was before they confiscated their guns.......

You really think that there are no differences between criminal cultures in these countries?

They don't use them at anywhere near the rates criminals here do. Because.... shocker... it's harder for them to get guns. Our criminals use guns in crimes 5 - 10 times more depending on what developed country you're comparing to us. Because... another shocker..... we are completely flooded with guns.

Wrong....Britain is 2x as violent, has the same level of gun crime as they did before the gun confiscation and have fewer murders over all, not just gun murders.....so gun control has nothing to do with their gun murder rate......

They just don't murder as often...our criminals are younger and have less leadership....they are apparently inflamed by facebook posts and exact revenge on each other more often...over slights.....

In Japan.....they don't allow their minions to do that....making money is the most important thing...look it up...

Britain is twice as violent and has 1/5 the homicide rate... hmm... what factor is different between us? Hmm...

They don't just murder people for kicks....like our criminals do.

Because it's much harder for them to. And... why is that again?

Wrong......read crime reports from Britain....actual criminals are killing each other all the time...with guns....

Just like in Ireland, and in France, Denmark, Sweden, Belgium...do some research....you don't hear about their gun crime because our press isn't interested in debunking the myth......

They also like grenades in all of these foreign countries...in Sweden, all summer long they were throwing grenades at each other......

 

[TheOldSchool]

The percent of households with guns in this country has severely gone down over the last several decades. But I suppose we could just ignore that.

Wrong....there are more guns in more hands in America than ever before..........you should stop paying attention to anti gun propaganda......I know where you got that idea, and it has been disproven over and over again. The General Social Survey is led by an anti gunner....and other surveys dispute it's findings.....

There are now 13 million Americans carrying guns for self defense...and our gun crime rate has gone down, our gun murder rate has gone down......how is that possible?

The percentage of Americans carrying guns has greatly decreased. Your stat is stupid, as it will always be parallel with our total population.

Wrong again......in 2013 there were 11.1 million people carrying guns for self defense, now there are 13 million people carrying with the growing sectors women and minoritites......

You can't dispute the stat but calling it stupid seems to work for you....see...whenever a lefty, ant gun nutjob like you looses a debate you resort to being a child.....good for you.....I know you can't help it...your brain lacks the ability to process the truth, facts and reality...as well as the difference between right and wrong and good and evil...you can't help it...you were born that way...

In 1973 47% of households had a gun, and 48% of people carried guns. In 2014 those numbers were 31% and 32%. And YOU can't dispute THAT!

And you are wrong again...

Is gun ownership really down in America? | Fox News

Surely, gun control advocates such as GSS director Tom Smith view this decline as a good thing. In a 2003 book of mine, I quoted Smith as saying that the large drop in gun ownership would “make it easier for politicians to do the right thing on guns” and pass more restrictive regulations.

Other gun control advocates have mentioned to me that they hope that if people believe fewer people own guns, that may cause others to rethink their decision to own one themselves. It is part of the reason they dramatically exaggerate the risks of having guns in the home.

The Associated Press and Time ignored other polls by Gallup and ABC News/Washington Post.

These polls show that gun ownership rates have been flat over the same period. According to Gallup, household gun ownership has ranged from 51 percent in 1994 to 34 percent in 1999. In 2014, it was at 42 percent – comparable to the 43-45 percent figures during the 1970s.

A 2011 Gallup poll with the headline “Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993” appears to have gotten no news coverage.

The ABC News/Washington Post poll shows an even more stable pattern, with household gun ownership between 44 and 46 percent in 1999. In 2013, the ownership rate was 43 percent.

There are other measures that suggest that we should be very careful of relying too heavily on polling to gauge the level of gun ownership. For example, the nationally number of concealed handgun permits has soared over the last decade: rising from about 2.7 million in 1999 to 4.6 million in 2007 to 11.1 million in 2014.

The National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) shows that the number of gun purchases has grown dramatically over time –doubling from 2006 to 2014.

You are using count, not rate. The rate has been in decline for decades. CCW permit rates do not affect the rates of gun ownership.

 

[TheOldSchool]

They don't use them at anywhere near the rates criminals here do. Because.... shocker... it's harder for them to get guns. Our criminals use guns in crimes 5 - 10 times more depending on what developed country you're comparing to us. Because... another shocker..... we are completely flooded with guns.

Wrong....Britain is 2x as violent, has the same level of gun crime as they did before the gun confiscation and have fewer murders over all, not just gun murders.....so gun control has nothing to do with their gun murder rate......

They just don't murder as often...our criminals are younger and have less leadership....they are apparently inflamed by facebook posts and exact revenge on each other more often...over slights.....

In Japan.....they don't allow their minions to do that....making money is the most important thing...look it up...

Britain is twice as violent and has 1/5 the homicide rate... hmm... what factor is different between us? Hmm...

They don't just murder people for kicks....like our criminals do.

Because it's much harder for them to. And... why is that again?

Wrong......read crime reports from Britain....actual criminals are killing each other all the time...with guns....

Just like in Ireland, and in France, Denmark, Sweden, Belgium...do some research....you don't hear about their gun crime because our press isn't interested in debunking the myth......

They also like grenades in all of these foreign countries...in Sweden, all summer long they were throwing grenades at each other......

But not as much as here, because...... wait for it..................

IT'S HARDER FOR THEM TO GET GUNS!

 

[2aguy]

Culture is a powerful thing.......criminals in Europe use guns...all the time..they just don't murder each other...that seems to be something American criminals do. Gun crime happens all the time in Britain....it is at the same level it was before they confiscated their guns.......

You really think that there are no differences between criminal cultures in these countries?

They don't use them at anywhere near the rates criminals here do. Because.... shocker... it's harder for them to get guns. Our criminals use guns in crimes 5 - 10 times more depending on what developed country you're comparing to us. Because... another shocker..... we are completely flooded with guns.

Wrong....Britain is 2x as violent, has the same level of gun crime as they did before the gun confiscation and have fewer murders over all, not just gun murders.....so gun control has nothing to do with their gun murder rate......

They just don't murder as often...our criminals are younger and have less leadership....they are apparently inflamed by facebook posts and exact revenge on each other more often...over slights.....

In Japan.....they don't allow their minions to do that....making money is the most important thing...look it up...

Britain is twice as violent and has 1/5 the homicide rate... hmm... what factor is different between us? Hmm...

They don't just murder people for kicks....like our criminals do.

Because it's much harder for them to. And... why is that again?

Wrong....

France’s real gun problem

Running guns to the heart of Europe: 'Need a Kalashnikov in Belgium? No problem'

But for all the new resolve of the European Union to tighten borders and close loopholes in laws that already effectively ban private ownership of rapid-fire assault weapons, Nemac, Milan and a jaded Serbian policeman doubt it can end the trade.

The Serbian police officer, who is involved in counter-trafficking operations, said investigators uncovered maybe a third of shipments at best. The problem was the sheer volume of weapons, he explained, recounting a tale of a man who told customs officers at Serbia's border with the EU that he was a musician and had nothing to declare but his old accordion.--

----

Indeed, there is some irony that Brussels, self-styled "capital" of the European Union and also home to the NATO military alliance, has become a marketplace for such hardware.

"If you have 500 to 1,000 euros you can get a military weapon within half an hour," said Bilal Benyaich, an expert on Islamist radicals at the city's Itinera Institute think-tank.
--

This story tracks gun smuggling in Europe.....lots of it....

European Police Face Being Outgunned by Jihadists With Assault Rifles



But although the police quickly traced the weapons source in the Paris attacks, stopping criminals and other jihadist cells in Europe from acquiring assault weapons for further attacks might not be so easy, according to police officials.



French police believe rifles are on sale in French cities for between €1,000 and €1,500. Earlier this month, Philippe Capon, head of the French police union UNSA, told Bloomberg News, “The French black market for weapons has been inundated with eastern European war artillery and arms.” A French police source told TIME that the weapons from the Charlie Hebdoattack came from the Balkans.

That is not the only source of weaponry. Donald says he fears that the continent might be facing a fresh influx of weapons from North Africa in the wake of the Arab Spring revolts. In August, 2011, Libyan rebels looted large quantities of mortars, tank shells and other munitions when Moammar Gaddafi’s regime collapsed. Although most of those weapons are believed to have filtered across North and West Africa, some could also have made their way to Europe.

The arms traffickers have flourished in the absence of well-financed antiweapons units in Europe, where law enforcement has for years tended to plow money into stopping drug-dealing and other crimes. “We don’t fully understand the scale of the problem because we have not had specialized units,” says Donald, referring to law-enforcement agencies in different E.U. countries. “It is a question of priorities. Any police officer will tell you it [resources] is a constant struggle.”

The trade in illegal weapons can earn enormous profits for organized criminal gangs — enough to make the risk of capture worthwhile. Donald says recent investigations have found arms traffickers investing about €30,000 in a shipment of Balkan-era weapons, refurbishing them in their garages, then selling them for them for about 10 times the price. “That’s a huge mark-up,” he says.

As Europe struggles to crack down on illegal weapons, some police recruits face a new training exercise: Go buy a Kalashnikov rifle. Donald says that in “a city in Europe,” which he would not name, “very young officers with no training or experience” were recently told to go find an assault weapon on the streets from an illegal arms dealer. “One came back two hours later with an AK-47,” Donald says. “He bought it for €1,000.”

 

[2aguy]

Wrong....there are more guns in more hands in America than ever before..........you should stop paying attention to anti gun propaganda......I know where you got that idea, and it has been disproven over and over again. The General Social Survey is led by an anti gunner....and other surveys dispute it's findings.....

There are now 13 million Americans carrying guns for self defense...and our gun crime rate has gone down, our gun murder rate has gone down......how is that possible?

The percentage of Americans carrying guns has greatly decreased. Your stat is stupid, as it will always be parallel with our total population.

Wrong again......in 2013 there were 11.1 million people carrying guns for self defense, now there are 13 million people carrying with the growing sectors women and minoritites......

You can't dispute the stat but calling it stupid seems to work for you....see...whenever a lefty, ant gun nutjob like you looses a debate you resort to being a child.....good for you.....I know you can't help it...your brain lacks the ability to process the truth, facts and reality...as well as the difference between right and wrong and good and evil...you can't help it...you were born that way...

In 1973 47% of households had a gun, and 48% of people carried guns. In 2014 those numbers were 31% and 32%. And YOU can't dispute THAT!

And you are wrong again...

Is gun ownership really down in America? | Fox News

Surely, gun control advocates such as GSS director Tom Smith view this decline as a good thing. In a 2003 book of mine, I quoted Smith as saying that the large drop in gun ownership would “make it easier for politicians to do the right thing on guns” and pass more restrictive regulations.

Other gun control advocates have mentioned to me that they hope that if people believe fewer people own guns, that may cause others to rethink their decision to own one themselves. It is part of the reason they dramatically exaggerate the risks of having guns in the home.

The Associated Press and Time ignored other polls by Gallup and ABC News/Washington Post.

These polls show that gun ownership rates have been flat over the same period. According to Gallup, household gun ownership has ranged from 51 percent in 1994 to 34 percent in 1999. In 2014, it was at 42 percent – comparable to the 43-45 percent figures during the 1970s.

A 2011 Gallup poll with the headline “Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993” appears to have gotten no news coverage.

The ABC News/Washington Post poll shows an even more stable pattern, with household gun ownership between 44 and 46 percent in 1999. In 2013, the ownership rate was 43 percent.

There are other measures that suggest that we should be very careful of relying too heavily on polling to gauge the level of gun ownership. For example, the nationally number of concealed handgun permits has soared over the last decade: rising from about 2.7 million in 1999 to 4.6 million in 2007 to 11.1 million in 2014.

The National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) shows that the number of gun purchases has grown dramatically over time –doubling from 2006 to 2014.

You are using count, not rate. The rate has been in decline for decades. CCW permit rates do not affect the rates of gun ownership.

That isn't concealed carry..that is gun ownership.......

A 2011 Gallup poll with the headline “Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993” appears to have gotten no news coverage.

The ABC News/Washington Post poll shows an even more stable pattern, with household gun ownership between 44 and 46 percent in 1999. In 2013, the ownership rate was 43 percent.

 

[jillian]

Yes...this story was brought to my attention by Missourian...thanks. So I am posting it to point out again that criminals get guns easily, and that gun control keeps guns out of the hands of normal gun owners...the people who don't use guns to commit crimes......

Gun control does nothing to stop actual criminals..

And another example here......European criminals prefer fully automatic weapons....

Disguised attackers kill 1, injure 2 at Dublin hotel - CNN.com


(CNN)Gunmen, including two disguised as police and another one as a woman, burst into a Dublin hotel on Friday and opened fire during a weigh-in for a boxing match, killing one person, Irish police said.

In a statement, police said authorities were investigating a shooting that occurred at about 2:30 p.m. "at the Regency Hotel, Swords Road, Dublin 9." Authorities said they believe shots were fired inside and outside the weigh-in room, but investigations are continuing.

The BBC showed video, taken by a spectator, of a boxer and others scrambling for safety.

Organizers of Saturday's "Clash of the Clans" at the National Stadium subsequently canceled the boxing event.

The shooting was not an act of terrorism, a police representative told CNN. Investigators are looking into whether it is gang-related.

When emergency workers arrived, they found three injured men. One of the men, described as being in his 30s, was pronounced dead.

Two of the attackers wore helmets and SWAT-style uniforms, police said. They had automatic weapons.

Two others had handguns. One was disguised as a woman with an auburn wig. The second was described as stocky and wearing a beige cap.

poor dear... so nothing should be illegal because someone might violate the law?

 

[2aguy]

Culture is a powerful thing.......criminals in Europe use guns...all the time..they just don't murder each other...that seems to be something American criminals do. Gun crime happens all the time in Britain....it is at the same level it was before they confiscated their guns.......

You really think that there are no differences between criminal cultures in these countries?

They don't use them at anywhere near the rates criminals here do. Because.... shocker... it's harder for them to get guns. Our criminals use guns in crimes 5 - 10 times more depending on what developed country you're comparing to us. Because... another shocker..... we are completely flooded with guns.

Wrong....Britain is 2x as violent, has the same level of gun crime as they did before the gun confiscation and have fewer murders over all, not just gun murders.....so gun control has nothing to do with their gun murder rate......

They just don't murder as often...our criminals are younger and have less leadership....they are apparently inflamed by facebook posts and exact revenge on each other more often...over slights.....

In Japan.....they don't allow their minions to do that....making money is the most important thing...look it up...

Britain is twice as violent and has 1/5 the homicide rate... hmm... what factor is different between us? Hmm...

They don't just murder people for kicks....like our criminals do.

Because it's much harder for them to. And... why is that again?

Wrong again....


Getting a gun legally in Europe may be hard, but terrorists have little trouble

In contrast with the free-firing United States, Europe is generally seen as a haven from serious gun violence. Here in Denmark, handguns and semiautomatic rifles are all but banned. Hunting rifles are legally available only to those with squeaky-clean backgrounds who have passed a rigorous exam covering everything from gun safety to the mating habits of Denmark’s wildlife.

“There’s a book about 1,000 pages thick,” said Tonni Rigby, one of only two licensed firearms dealers in Copenhagen. “You have to know all of it.”


But if you want an illicit assault rifle, such as the one used by a 22-year-old to rake a Copenhagen cafe with 28 bullets on Saturday, all it takes are a few connections and some cash.

“It’s very easy to get such a weapon,” said Hans Jorgen Bonnichsen, a former operations director for the Danish security service PET. “It’s not only a problem for Denmark. It’s a problem for all of Europe.”

 

[2aguy]

Yes...this story was brought to my attention by Missourian...thanks. So I am posting it to point out again that criminals get guns easily, and that gun control keeps guns out of the hands of normal gun owners...the people who don't use guns to commit crimes......

Gun control does nothing to stop actual criminals..

And another example here......European criminals prefer fully automatic weapons....

Disguised attackers kill 1, injure 2 at Dublin hotel - CNN.com


(CNN)Gunmen, including two disguised as police and another one as a woman, burst into a Dublin hotel on Friday and opened fire during a weigh-in for a boxing match, killing one person, Irish police said.

In a statement, police said authorities were investigating a shooting that occurred at about 2:30 p.m. "at the Regency Hotel, Swords Road, Dublin 9." Authorities said they believe shots were fired inside and outside the weigh-in room, but investigations are continuing.

The BBC showed video, taken by a spectator, of a boxer and others scrambling for safety.

Organizers of Saturday's "Clash of the Clans" at the National Stadium subsequently canceled the boxing event.

The shooting was not an act of terrorism, a police representative told CNN. Investigators are looking into whether it is gang-related.

When emergency workers arrived, they found three injured men. One of the men, described as being in his 30s, was pronounced dead.

Two of the attackers wore helmets and SWAT-style uniforms, police said. They had automatic weapons.

Two others had handguns. One was disguised as a woman with an auburn wig. The second was described as stocky and wearing a beige cap.

poor dear... so nothing should be illegal because someone might violate the law?

wow...you are dumb...as I have repeatedly corrected you......arrest people when they actually break the laws we have.

Gun control directed at normal gun owners does not stop gun crime.

It is against the law for you to commit a crime with a gun, if you do you get arrested...that is already on the books and it works every time it is actually used.

If you are a felon and caught in mere possession of a gun you can be arrested on the spot and sent to jail.....that works everytime it is actually done and we already have it.....

Those two facts do not target law abiding gun owners, and actual focus on criminals.....which is what laws are supposed to do....

 

[TheOldSchool]

They don't use them at anywhere near the rates criminals here do. Because.... shocker... it's harder for them to get guns. Our criminals use guns in crimes 5 - 10 times more depending on what developed country you're comparing to us. Because... another shocker..... we are completely flooded with guns.

Wrong....Britain is 2x as violent, has the same level of gun crime as they did before the gun confiscation and have fewer murders over all, not just gun murders.....so gun control has nothing to do with their gun murder rate......

They just don't murder as often...our criminals are younger and have less leadership....they are apparently inflamed by facebook posts and exact revenge on each other more often...over slights.....

In Japan.....they don't allow their minions to do that....making money is the most important thing...look it up...

Britain is twice as violent and has 1/5 the homicide rate... hmm... what factor is different between us? Hmm...

They don't just murder people for kicks....like our criminals do.

Because it's much harder for them to. And... why is that again?

Wrong....

France’s real gun problem

Running guns to the heart of Europe: 'Need a Kalashnikov in Belgium? No problem'

But for all the new resolve of the European Union to tighten borders and close loopholes in laws that already effectively ban private ownership of rapid-fire assault weapons, Nemac, Milan and a jaded Serbian policeman doubt it can end the trade.

The Serbian police officer, who is involved in counter-trafficking operations, said investigators uncovered maybe a third of shipments at best. The problem was the sheer volume of weapons, he explained, recounting a tale of a man who told customs officers at Serbia's border with the EU that he was a musician and had nothing to declare but his old accordion.--

----

Indeed, there is some irony that Brussels, self-styled "capital" of the European Union and also home to the NATO military alliance, has become a marketplace for such hardware.

"If you have 500 to 1,000 euros you can get a military weapon within half an hour," said Bilal Benyaich, an expert on Islamist radicals at the city's Itinera Institute think-tank.
--

This story tracks gun smuggling in Europe.....lots of it....

European Police Face Being Outgunned by Jihadists With Assault Rifles



But although the police quickly traced the weapons source in the Paris attacks, stopping criminals and other jihadist cells in Europe from acquiring assault weapons for further attacks might not be so easy, according to police officials.



French police believe rifles are on sale in French cities for between €1,000 and €1,500. Earlier this month, Philippe Capon, head of the French police union UNSA, told Bloomberg News, “The French black market for weapons has been inundated with eastern European war artillery and arms.” A French police source told TIME that the weapons from the Charlie Hebdoattack came from the Balkans.

That is not the only source of weaponry. Donald says he fears that the continent might be facing a fresh influx of weapons from North Africa in the wake of the Arab Spring revolts. In August, 2011, Libyan rebels looted large quantities of mortars, tank shells and other munitions when Moammar Gaddafi’s regime collapsed. Although most of those weapons are believed to have filtered across North and West Africa, some could also have made their way to Europe.

The arms traffickers have flourished in the absence of well-financed antiweapons units in Europe, where law enforcement has for years tended to plow money into stopping drug-dealing and other crimes. “We don’t fully understand the scale of the problem because we have not had specialized units,” says Donald, referring to law-enforcement agencies in different E.U. countries. “It is a question of priorities. Any police officer will tell you it [resources] is a constant struggle.”

The trade in illegal weapons can earn enormous profits for organized criminal gangs — enough to make the risk of capture worthwhile. Donald says recent investigations have found arms traffickers investing about €30,000 in a shipment of Balkan-era weapons, refurbishing them in their garages, then selling them for them for about 10 times the price. “That’s a huge mark-up,” he says.

As Europe struggles to crack down on illegal weapons, some police recruits face a new training exercise: Go buy a Kalashnikov rifle. Donald says that in “a city in Europe,” which he would not name, “very young officers with no training or experience” were recently told to go find an assault weapon on the streets from an illegal arms dealer. “One came back two hours later with an AK-47,” Donald says. “He bought it for €1,000.”

2 hours? I could get get an assault rifle right now and be back in 15 minutes. And I wouldn't even have to endanger myself by venturing into a black market. I could get a used one for a couple hundred bucks.

 

[TheOldSchool]

They don't use them at anywhere near the rates criminals here do. Because.... shocker... it's harder for them to get guns. Our criminals use guns in crimes 5 - 10 times more depending on what developed country you're comparing to us. Because... another shocker..... we are completely flooded with guns.

Wrong....Britain is 2x as violent, has the same level of gun crime as they did before the gun confiscation and have fewer murders over all, not just gun murders.....so gun control has nothing to do with their gun murder rate......

They just don't murder as often...our criminals are younger and have less leadership....they are apparently inflamed by facebook posts and exact revenge on each other more often...over slights.....

In Japan.....they don't allow their minions to do that....making money is the most important thing...look it up...

Britain is twice as violent and has 1/5 the homicide rate... hmm... what factor is different between us? Hmm...

They don't just murder people for kicks....like our criminals do.

Because it's much harder for them to. And... why is that again?

Wrong again....


Getting a gun legally in Europe may be hard, but terrorists have little trouble

In contrast with the free-firing United States, Europe is generally seen as a haven from serious gun violence. Here in Denmark, handguns and semiautomatic rifles are all but banned. Hunting rifles are legally available only to those with squeaky-clean backgrounds who have passed a rigorous exam covering everything from gun safety to the mating habits of Denmark’s wildlife.

“There’s a book about 1,000 pages thick,” said Tonni Rigby, one of only two licensed firearms dealers in Copenhagen. “You have to know all of it.”


But if you want an illicit assault rifle, such as the one used by a 22-year-old to rake a Copenhagen cafe with 28 bullets on Saturday, all it takes are a few connections and some cash.

“It’s very easy to get such a weapon,” said Hans Jorgen Bonnichsen, a former operations director for the Danish security service PET. “It’s not only a problem for Denmark. It’s a problem for all of Europe.”

It's easy... but criminals don't do it. Wow! I could go become a criminal overlord in Europe right now by just ordering my underlings to use guns! Whoa, should I quit my day job and go do it?

 

[2aguy]

Wrong....Britain is 2x as violent, has the same level of gun crime as they did before the gun confiscation and have fewer murders over all, not just gun murders.....so gun control has nothing to do with their gun murder rate......

They just don't murder as often...our criminals are younger and have less leadership....they are apparently inflamed by facebook posts and exact revenge on each other more often...over slights.....

In Japan.....they don't allow their minions to do that....making money is the most important thing...look it up...

Britain is twice as violent and has 1/5 the homicide rate... hmm... what factor is different between us? Hmm...

They don't just murder people for kicks....like our criminals do.

Because it's much harder for them to. And... why is that again?

Wrong....

France’s real gun problem

Running guns to the heart of Europe: 'Need a Kalashnikov in Belgium? No problem'

But for all the new resolve of the European Union to tighten borders and close loopholes in laws that already effectively ban private ownership of rapid-fire assault weapons, Nemac, Milan and a jaded Serbian policeman doubt it can end the trade.

The Serbian police officer, who is involved in counter-trafficking operations, said investigators uncovered maybe a third of shipments at best. The problem was the sheer volume of weapons, he explained, recounting a tale of a man who told customs officers at Serbia's border with the EU that he was a musician and had nothing to declare but his old accordion.--

----

Indeed, there is some irony that Brussels, self-styled "capital" of the European Union and also home to the NATO military alliance, has become a marketplace for such hardware.

"If you have 500 to 1,000 euros you can get a military weapon within half an hour," said Bilal Benyaich, an expert on Islamist radicals at the city's Itinera Institute think-tank.
--

This story tracks gun smuggling in Europe.....lots of it....

European Police Face Being Outgunned by Jihadists With Assault Rifles



But although the police quickly traced the weapons source in the Paris attacks, stopping criminals and other jihadist cells in Europe from acquiring assault weapons for further attacks might not be so easy, according to police officials.



French police believe rifles are on sale in French cities for between €1,000 and €1,500. Earlier this month, Philippe Capon, head of the French police union UNSA, told Bloomberg News, “The French black market for weapons has been inundated with eastern European war artillery and arms.” A French police source told TIME that the weapons from the Charlie Hebdoattack came from the Balkans.

That is not the only source of weaponry. Donald says he fears that the continent might be facing a fresh influx of weapons from North Africa in the wake of the Arab Spring revolts. In August, 2011, Libyan rebels looted large quantities of mortars, tank shells and other munitions when Moammar Gaddafi’s regime collapsed. Although most of those weapons are believed to have filtered across North and West Africa, some could also have made their way to Europe.

The arms traffickers have flourished in the absence of well-financed antiweapons units in Europe, where law enforcement has for years tended to plow money into stopping drug-dealing and other crimes. “We don’t fully understand the scale of the problem because we have not had specialized units,” says Donald, referring to law-enforcement agencies in different E.U. countries. “It is a question of priorities. Any police officer will tell you it [resources] is a constant struggle.”

The trade in illegal weapons can earn enormous profits for organized criminal gangs — enough to make the risk of capture worthwhile. Donald says recent investigations have found arms traffickers investing about €30,000 in a shipment of Balkan-era weapons, refurbishing them in their garages, then selling them for them for about 10 times the price. “That’s a huge mark-up,” he says.

As Europe struggles to crack down on illegal weapons, some police recruits face a new training exercise: Go buy a Kalashnikov rifle. Donald says that in “a city in Europe,” which he would not name, “very young officers with no training or experience” were recently told to go find an assault weapon on the streets from an illegal arms dealer. “One came back two hours later with an AK-47,” Donald says. “He bought it for €1,000.”

2 hours? I could get get an assault rifle right now and be back in 15 minutes. And I wouldn't even have to endanger myself by venturing into a black market. I could get a used one for a couple hundred bucks.

No, you couldn't........that would be breaking current gun laws........fully auto rifles are illegal without a special federal license....and extensive background checks......sorry...you are wrong.


Yes...exactly....gun control in Europe does not work...criminals get fully automatic rifles easily.....normal, law abiding people can't get them at all....gun control works like a charm for people who obey the law...not criminals...

 

[2aguy]

Wrong....Britain is 2x as violent, has the same level of gun crime as they did before the gun confiscation and have fewer murders over all, not just gun murders.....so gun control has nothing to do with their gun murder rate......

They just don't murder as often...our criminals are younger and have less leadership....they are apparently inflamed by facebook posts and exact revenge on each other more often...over slights.....

In Japan.....they don't allow their minions to do that....making money is the most important thing...look it up...

Britain is twice as violent and has 1/5 the homicide rate... hmm... what factor is different between us? Hmm...

They don't just murder people for kicks....like our criminals do.

Because it's much harder for them to. And... why is that again?

Wrong again....


Getting a gun legally in Europe may be hard, but terrorists have little trouble

In contrast with the free-firing United States, Europe is generally seen as a haven from serious gun violence. Here in Denmark, handguns and semiautomatic rifles are all but banned. Hunting rifles are legally available only to those with squeaky-clean backgrounds who have passed a rigorous exam covering everything from gun safety to the mating habits of Denmark’s wildlife.

“There’s a book about 1,000 pages thick,” said Tonni Rigby, one of only two licensed firearms dealers in Copenhagen. “You have to know all of it.”


But if you want an illicit assault rifle, such as the one used by a 22-year-old to rake a Copenhagen cafe with 28 bullets on Saturday, all it takes are a few connections and some cash.

“It’s very easy to get such a weapon,” said Hans Jorgen Bonnichsen, a former operations director for the Danish security service PET. “It’s not only a problem for Denmark. It’s a problem for all of Europe.”

It's easy... but criminals don't do it. Wow! I could go become a criminal overlord in Europe right now by just ordering my underlings to use guns! Whoa, should I quit my day job and go do it?

Yep......and they are starting to learn that too......that is why there are more gun crimes in these countries...their culture did not have the same history with guns as ours did...but they are catching up...that is why Britain is arming 600 more previously unarmed police..........

 

[2aguy]

Wrong....Britain is 2x as violent, has the same level of gun crime as they did before the gun confiscation and have fewer murders over all, not just gun murders.....so gun control has nothing to do with their gun murder rate......

They just don't murder as often...our criminals are younger and have less leadership....they are apparently inflamed by facebook posts and exact revenge on each other more often...over slights.....

In Japan.....they don't allow their minions to do that....making money is the most important thing...look it up...

Britain is twice as violent and has 1/5 the homicide rate... hmm... what factor is different between us? Hmm...

They don't just murder people for kicks....like our criminals do.

Because it's much harder for them to. And... why is that again?

Wrong....

France’s real gun problem

Running guns to the heart of Europe: 'Need a Kalashnikov in Belgium? No problem'

But for all the new resolve of the European Union to tighten borders and close loopholes in laws that already effectively ban private ownership of rapid-fire assault weapons, Nemac, Milan and a jaded Serbian policeman doubt it can end the trade.

The Serbian police officer, who is involved in counter-trafficking operations, said investigators uncovered maybe a third of shipments at best. The problem was the sheer volume of weapons, he explained, recounting a tale of a man who told customs officers at Serbia's border with the EU that he was a musician and had nothing to declare but his old accordion.--

----

Indeed, there is some irony that Brussels, self-styled "capital" of the European Union and also home to the NATO military alliance, has become a marketplace for such hardware.

"If you have 500 to 1,000 euros you can get a military weapon within half an hour," said Bilal Benyaich, an expert on Islamist radicals at the city's Itinera Institute think-tank.
--

This story tracks gun smuggling in Europe.....lots of it....

European Police Face Being Outgunned by Jihadists With Assault Rifles



But although the police quickly traced the weapons source in the Paris attacks, stopping criminals and other jihadist cells in Europe from acquiring assault weapons for further attacks might not be so easy, according to police officials.



French police believe rifles are on sale in French cities for between €1,000 and €1,500. Earlier this month, Philippe Capon, head of the French police union UNSA, told Bloomberg News, “The French black market for weapons has been inundated with eastern European war artillery and arms.” A French police source told TIME that the weapons from the Charlie Hebdoattack came from the Balkans.

That is not the only source of weaponry. Donald says he fears that the continent might be facing a fresh influx of weapons from North Africa in the wake of the Arab Spring revolts. In August, 2011, Libyan rebels looted large quantities of mortars, tank shells and other munitions when Moammar Gaddafi’s regime collapsed. Although most of those weapons are believed to have filtered across North and West Africa, some could also have made their way to Europe.

The arms traffickers have flourished in the absence of well-financed antiweapons units in Europe, where law enforcement has for years tended to plow money into stopping drug-dealing and other crimes. “We don’t fully understand the scale of the problem because we have not had specialized units,” says Donald, referring to law-enforcement agencies in different E.U. countries. “It is a question of priorities. Any police officer will tell you it [resources] is a constant struggle.”

The trade in illegal weapons can earn enormous profits for organized criminal gangs — enough to make the risk of capture worthwhile. Donald says recent investigations have found arms traffickers investing about €30,000 in a shipment of Balkan-era weapons, refurbishing them in their garages, then selling them for them for about 10 times the price. “That’s a huge mark-up,” he says.

As Europe struggles to crack down on illegal weapons, some police recruits face a new training exercise: Go buy a Kalashnikov rifle. Donald says that in “a city in Europe,” which he would not name, “very young officers with no training or experience” were recently told to go find an assault weapon on the streets from an illegal arms dealer. “One came back two hours later with an AK-47,” Donald says. “He bought it for €1,000.”

2 hours? I could get get an assault rifle right now and be back in 15 minutes. And I wouldn't even have to endanger myself by venturing into a black market. I could get a used one for a couple hundred bucks.

Funny....if their gun control actually worked...why has their gun crime started to increase...

2003.... after the confiscation.....and extreme gun control....

Gun crime soars by 35%

Gun crime soars by 35%


[created] | UPDATED: 10:01 EST, 10 January 2003


The Government's latest crime figures were condemned as "truly terrible" by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year.

Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed.

Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362.

It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise

and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993.

Figures showed the number of crimes involving handguns had more than doubled since the post-Dunblane massacre ban on the weapons, from 2,636 in 1997-1998 to 5,871.

Unadjusted figures showed overall recorded crime in the 12 months to last September rose 9.3%, but the Home Office stressed that new procedures had skewed the figures.

 

[2aguy]

Wrong....Britain is 2x as violent, has the same level of gun crime as they did before the gun confiscation and have fewer murders over all, not just gun murders.....so gun control has nothing to do with their gun murder rate......

They just don't murder as often...our criminals are younger and have less leadership....they are apparently inflamed by facebook posts and exact revenge on each other more often...over slights.....

In Japan.....they don't allow their minions to do that....making money is the most important thing...look it up...

Britain is twice as violent and has 1/5 the homicide rate... hmm... what factor is different between us? Hmm...

They don't just murder people for kicks....like our criminals do.

Because it's much harder for them to. And... why is that again?

Wrong again....


Getting a gun legally in Europe may be hard, but terrorists have little trouble

In contrast with the free-firing United States, Europe is generally seen as a haven from serious gun violence. Here in Denmark, handguns and semiautomatic rifles are all but banned. Hunting rifles are legally available only to those with squeaky-clean backgrounds who have passed a rigorous exam covering everything from gun safety to the mating habits of Denmark’s wildlife.

“There’s a book about 1,000 pages thick,” said Tonni Rigby, one of only two licensed firearms dealers in Copenhagen. “You have to know all of it.”


But if you want an illicit assault rifle, such as the one used by a 22-year-old to rake a Copenhagen cafe with 28 bullets on Saturday, all it takes are a few connections and some cash.

“It’s very easy to get such a weapon,” said Hans Jorgen Bonnichsen, a former operations director for the Danish security service PET. “It’s not only a problem for Denmark. It’s a problem for all of Europe.”

It's easy... but criminals don't do it. Wow! I could go become a criminal overlord in Europe right now by just ordering my underlings to use guns! Whoa, should I quit my day job and go do it?

These criminals did.......

Man killed in drive-by shooting
Man killed in drive-by shooting


A man was shot dead after two assailants opened fire with automatic weapons from a van near a town centre, police said.


A second man suffered minor injuries after the apparent drive-by shooting in Brewery Road, Hoddesdon, Herts.

Both victims were white and the two suspects, also white, abandoned their van in the Lampits area of the town. Police said it was not believed the public were at further risk.

A Hertfordshire Police statement said: "It is believed the injuries were caused by automatic weapons."

A witness, who lives near the scene, told Sky News: "It's a kind of downhill slope. It looked like they came down the hill on the other side of the road, pulled up close, and opened up through the car.

"It looked like shots were fired through the car itself. It looked like him (the victim) and a friend were coming out of a health centre and both were injured.


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Man killed in drive-by shooting

A man was shot dead after two assailants opened fire with automatic weapons from a van near a town centre, police said.
A second man suffered minor injuries after the apparent drive-by shooting in Brewery Road, Hoddesdon, Herts.
Both victims were white and the two suspects, also white, abandoned their van in the Lampits area of the town. Police said it was not believed the public were at further risk.
A Hertfordshire Police statement said: "It is believed the injuries were caused by automatic weapons."
A witness, who lives near the scene, told Sky News: "It's a kind of downhill slope. It looked like they came down the hill on the other side of the road, pulled up close, and opened up through the car.
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Three men injured in drive-by shooting

and a woman Jeweler murdered in her shop……with a gun…
Three men have been injured in a drive-by shooting. They were hit by shots fired from a blue or black Volvo-type car in Elm Park Road, Reading, Berkshire, on Friday night, Thames Valley Police said.
The incident follows the fatal shooting of a man in Hoddesdon, Hertfordshire, and the death of jeweller Marian Bates, who was shot at point blank range by robbers at her shop in Nottingham earlier this week.
Extra police are patrolling the streets of a picturesque market town after a 32-year-old man was shot dead in broad daylight in what detectives believe was a targeted attack.
The man was killed and another man injured after two gunmen pulled up in a van beside them in Hoddesdon, Hertfordshire and opened fire at 9.20am on Friday.
The injured man, from London, was not seriously hurt and was helping police with their inquiries.
The victim, who lived in Stevenage, would not be named until all next of kin had been informed, police said.
Hertfordshire's Assistant Chief Constable Jerry Alford said the suspects' van was later found burning in the Lampits area of the town, where the two men were then thought to have made off in a silver saloon car.
Mr Alford said it was not clear at this stage whether the victim and his companion were in a blue Peugeot car or about to get into it at the time of the shooting.
He said: "Clearly gun crime is here on the agenda but I can reassure the public that police forces nationally are redoubling their efforts to make sure the scourge of gun crime is eradicated from our streets."
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Pictured: Bystander mistakenly gunned down in drive-by shooting

A father murdered in a drive-by shooting may have been the victim of mistaken identity in a gangland feud, police said.

Erdogan Guzel, 42, was outside his bakery when his killer let loose with a machine gun.

A 51-year-old woman was also hit during the rush-hour attack in London and remains in a critical but stable condition. Scotland Yard said detectives believe the victims were not the attackers’ intended targets and were bystanders.
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While officers have not revealed a motive, they are likely to focus on the involvement of local gangs waging a ruthless territorial war.
The attack, which lasted only several seconds, was in broad daylight on Friday as Mr Guzel sat talking to a friend outside Bros Bakery in Wood Green, North London.
Mr Guzel, who moved to the UK from Turkey, is understood to have been a co-owner of the bakery. He lived in nearby Palmers Green with his 16-year-old son and 15-year-old daughter
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Drive-by shooting on London's Waterloo Bridge - BBC News

A gunman on the back of a motorbike shot a man in a suspected drive-by shooting on London's Waterloo Bridge.

Three men were arrested after a black Ford Focus was shot at, at about 20:00 GMT on Friday.


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Bouncer shot in drive-by shooting outside Newcastle nightclub

A bouncer has been shot in a drive by shooting outside a Newcastle nightclub.

A black-clack motorcycle rider was seen pulling up outside the city's Tup Tup Palace before opening fire at around 10.45pm last night.

It is thought the 24-year-old doorman was hit in the arm, and was seen walking with his black jacket over the wound and a blood soaked white shirt hanging from the waistband of his trousers, to an ambulance.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Britain is twice as violent and has 1/5 the homicide rate... hmm... what factor is different between us? Hmm...

They don't just murder people for kicks....like our criminals do.

Because it's much harder for them to. And... why is that again?

Wrong....

France’s real gun problem

Running guns to the heart of Europe: 'Need a Kalashnikov in Belgium? No problem'

But for all the new resolve of the European Union to tighten borders and close loopholes in laws that already effectively ban private ownership of rapid-fire assault weapons, Nemac, Milan and a jaded Serbian policeman doubt it can end the trade.

The Serbian police officer, who is involved in counter-trafficking operations, said investigators uncovered maybe a third of shipments at best. The problem was the sheer volume of weapons, he explained, recounting a tale of a man who told customs officers at Serbia's border with the EU that he was a musician and had nothing to declare but his old accordion.--

----

Indeed, there is some irony that Brussels, self-styled "capital" of the European Union and also home to the NATO military alliance, has become a marketplace for such hardware.

"If you have 500 to 1,000 euros you can get a military weapon within half an hour," said Bilal Benyaich, an expert on Islamist radicals at the city's Itinera Institute think-tank.
--

This story tracks gun smuggling in Europe.....lots of it....

European Police Face Being Outgunned by Jihadists With Assault Rifles



But although the police quickly traced the weapons source in the Paris attacks, stopping criminals and other jihadist cells in Europe from acquiring assault weapons for further attacks might not be so easy, according to police officials.



French police believe rifles are on sale in French cities for between €1,000 and €1,500. Earlier this month, Philippe Capon, head of the French police union UNSA, told Bloomberg News, “The French black market for weapons has been inundated with eastern European war artillery and arms.” A French police source told TIME that the weapons from the Charlie Hebdoattack came from the Balkans.

That is not the only source of weaponry. Donald says he fears that the continent might be facing a fresh influx of weapons from North Africa in the wake of the Arab Spring revolts. In August, 2011, Libyan rebels looted large quantities of mortars, tank shells and other munitions when Moammar Gaddafi’s regime collapsed. Although most of those weapons are believed to have filtered across North and West Africa, some could also have made their way to Europe.

The arms traffickers have flourished in the absence of well-financed antiweapons units in Europe, where law enforcement has for years tended to plow money into stopping drug-dealing and other crimes. “We don’t fully understand the scale of the problem because we have not had specialized units,” says Donald, referring to law-enforcement agencies in different E.U. countries. “It is a question of priorities. Any police officer will tell you it [resources] is a constant struggle.”

The trade in illegal weapons can earn enormous profits for organized criminal gangs — enough to make the risk of capture worthwhile. Donald says recent investigations have found arms traffickers investing about €30,000 in a shipment of Balkan-era weapons, refurbishing them in their garages, then selling them for them for about 10 times the price. “That’s a huge mark-up,” he says.

As Europe struggles to crack down on illegal weapons, some police recruits face a new training exercise: Go buy a Kalashnikov rifle. Donald says that in “a city in Europe,” which he would not name, “very young officers with no training or experience” were recently told to go find an assault weapon on the streets from an illegal arms dealer. “One came back two hours later with an AK-47,” Donald says. “He bought it for €1,000.”

2 hours? I could get get an assault rifle right now and be back in 15 minutes. And I wouldn't even have to endanger myself by venturing into a black market. I could get a used one for a couple hundred bucks.

Funny....if their gun control actually worked...why has their gun crime started to increase...

And that was 2013.....

Gun crime soars by 35%

Gun crime soars by 35%


[created] | UPDATED: 10:01 EST, 10 January 2003


The Government's latest crime figures were condemned as "truly terrible" by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year.

Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed.

Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362.

It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise

and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993.

Figures showed the number of crimes involving handguns had more than doubled since the post-Dunblane massacre ban on the weapons, from 2,636 in 1997-1998 to 5,871.

Unadjusted figures showed overall recorded crime in the 12 months to last September rose 9.3%, but the Home Office stressed that new procedures had skewed the figures.

So what percentage of their crimes involved guns? In another conversation with you I looked up the U.S. and it was almost 70%. How about over there?

 

[2aguy]

They don't just murder people for kicks....like our criminals do.

Because it's much harder for them to. And... why is that again?

Wrong....

France’s real gun problem

Running guns to the heart of Europe: 'Need a Kalashnikov in Belgium? No problem'

But for all the new resolve of the European Union to tighten borders and close loopholes in laws that already effectively ban private ownership of rapid-fire assault weapons, Nemac, Milan and a jaded Serbian policeman doubt it can end the trade.

The Serbian police officer, who is involved in counter-trafficking operations, said investigators uncovered maybe a third of shipments at best. The problem was the sheer volume of weapons, he explained, recounting a tale of a man who told customs officers at Serbia's border with the EU that he was a musician and had nothing to declare but his old accordion.--

----

Indeed, there is some irony that Brussels, self-styled "capital" of the European Union and also home to the NATO military alliance, has become a marketplace for such hardware.

"If you have 500 to 1,000 euros you can get a military weapon within half an hour," said Bilal Benyaich, an expert on Islamist radicals at the city's Itinera Institute think-tank.
--

This story tracks gun smuggling in Europe.....lots of it....

European Police Face Being Outgunned by Jihadists With Assault Rifles



But although the police quickly traced the weapons source in the Paris attacks, stopping criminals and other jihadist cells in Europe from acquiring assault weapons for further attacks might not be so easy, according to police officials.



French police believe rifles are on sale in French cities for between €1,000 and €1,500. Earlier this month, Philippe Capon, head of the French police union UNSA, told Bloomberg News, “The French black market for weapons has been inundated with eastern European war artillery and arms.” A French police source told TIME that the weapons from the Charlie Hebdoattack came from the Balkans.

That is not the only source of weaponry. Donald says he fears that the continent might be facing a fresh influx of weapons from North Africa in the wake of the Arab Spring revolts. In August, 2011, Libyan rebels looted large quantities of mortars, tank shells and other munitions when Moammar Gaddafi’s regime collapsed. Although most of those weapons are believed to have filtered across North and West Africa, some could also have made their way to Europe.

The arms traffickers have flourished in the absence of well-financed antiweapons units in Europe, where law enforcement has for years tended to plow money into stopping drug-dealing and other crimes. “We don’t fully understand the scale of the problem because we have not had specialized units,” says Donald, referring to law-enforcement agencies in different E.U. countries. “It is a question of priorities. Any police officer will tell you it [resources] is a constant struggle.”

The trade in illegal weapons can earn enormous profits for organized criminal gangs — enough to make the risk of capture worthwhile. Donald says recent investigations have found arms traffickers investing about €30,000 in a shipment of Balkan-era weapons, refurbishing them in their garages, then selling them for them for about 10 times the price. “That’s a huge mark-up,” he says.

As Europe struggles to crack down on illegal weapons, some police recruits face a new training exercise: Go buy a Kalashnikov rifle. Donald says that in “a city in Europe,” which he would not name, “very young officers with no training or experience” were recently told to go find an assault weapon on the streets from an illegal arms dealer. “One came back two hours later with an AK-47,” Donald says. “He bought it for €1,000.”

2 hours? I could get get an assault rifle right now and be back in 15 minutes. And I wouldn't even have to endanger myself by venturing into a black market. I could get a used one for a couple hundred bucks.

Funny....if their gun control actually worked...why has their gun crime started to increase...

And that was 2013.....

Gun crime soars by 35%

Gun crime soars by 35%


[created] | UPDATED: 10:01 EST, 10 January 2003


The Government's latest crime figures were condemned as "truly terrible" by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year.

Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed.

Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362.

It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise

and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993.

Figures showed the number of crimes involving handguns had more than doubled since the post-Dunblane massacre ban on the weapons, from 2,636 in 1997-1998 to 5,871.

Unadjusted figures showed overall recorded crime in the 12 months to last September rose 9.3%, but the Home Office stressed that new procedures had skewed the figures.

So what percentage of their crimes involved guns? In another conversation with you I looked up the U.S. and it was almost 70%. How about over there?

I know...you are slow.......they have access to guns if they want them...easy access....that they don't use them as much is their choice, not a result of their gun control laws....Britain is an Island, they confiscated guns and have extreme gun control...for normal people. Their criminals get guns easily....their gun crime rates rise as their criminals decide they need more guns for their work.....

They have a different sub-culture...or they did...as my last post shows...their criminal sub culture is being infected by the Rap music culture.....and they are turning to guns more often....

 

[TheOldSchool]

Because it's much harder for them to. And... why is that again?

Wrong....

France’s real gun problem

Running guns to the heart of Europe: 'Need a Kalashnikov in Belgium? No problem'

But for all the new resolve of the European Union to tighten borders and close loopholes in laws that already effectively ban private ownership of rapid-fire assault weapons, Nemac, Milan and a jaded Serbian policeman doubt it can end the trade.

The Serbian police officer, who is involved in counter-trafficking operations, said investigators uncovered maybe a third of shipments at best. The problem was the sheer volume of weapons, he explained, recounting a tale of a man who told customs officers at Serbia's border with the EU that he was a musician and had nothing to declare but his old accordion.--

----

Indeed, there is some irony that Brussels, self-styled "capital" of the European Union and also home to the NATO military alliance, has become a marketplace for such hardware.

"If you have 500 to 1,000 euros you can get a military weapon within half an hour," said Bilal Benyaich, an expert on Islamist radicals at the city's Itinera Institute think-tank.
--

This story tracks gun smuggling in Europe.....lots of it....

European Police Face Being Outgunned by Jihadists With Assault Rifles



But although the police quickly traced the weapons source in the Paris attacks, stopping criminals and other jihadist cells in Europe from acquiring assault weapons for further attacks might not be so easy, according to police officials.



French police believe rifles are on sale in French cities for between €1,000 and €1,500. Earlier this month, Philippe Capon, head of the French police union UNSA, told Bloomberg News, “The French black market for weapons has been inundated with eastern European war artillery and arms.” A French police source told TIME that the weapons from the Charlie Hebdoattack came from the Balkans.

That is not the only source of weaponry. Donald says he fears that the continent might be facing a fresh influx of weapons from North Africa in the wake of the Arab Spring revolts. In August, 2011, Libyan rebels looted large quantities of mortars, tank shells and other munitions when Moammar Gaddafi’s regime collapsed. Although most of those weapons are believed to have filtered across North and West Africa, some could also have made their way to Europe.

The arms traffickers have flourished in the absence of well-financed antiweapons units in Europe, where law enforcement has for years tended to plow money into stopping drug-dealing and other crimes. “We don’t fully understand the scale of the problem because we have not had specialized units,” says Donald, referring to law-enforcement agencies in different E.U. countries. “It is a question of priorities. Any police officer will tell you it [resources] is a constant struggle.”

The trade in illegal weapons can earn enormous profits for organized criminal gangs — enough to make the risk of capture worthwhile. Donald says recent investigations have found arms traffickers investing about €30,000 in a shipment of Balkan-era weapons, refurbishing them in their garages, then selling them for them for about 10 times the price. “That’s a huge mark-up,” he says.

As Europe struggles to crack down on illegal weapons, some police recruits face a new training exercise: Go buy a Kalashnikov rifle. Donald says that in “a city in Europe,” which he would not name, “very young officers with no training or experience” were recently told to go find an assault weapon on the streets from an illegal arms dealer. “One came back two hours later with an AK-47,” Donald says. “He bought it for €1,000.”

2 hours? I could get get an assault rifle right now and be back in 15 minutes. And I wouldn't even have to endanger myself by venturing into a black market. I could get a used one for a couple hundred bucks.

Funny....if their gun control actually worked...why has their gun crime started to increase...

And that was 2013.....

Gun crime soars by 35%

Gun crime soars by 35%


[created] | UPDATED: 10:01 EST, 10 January 2003


The Government's latest crime figures were condemned as "truly terrible" by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year.

Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed.

Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362.

It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise

and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993.

Figures showed the number of crimes involving handguns had more than doubled since the post-Dunblane massacre ban on the weapons, from 2,636 in 1997-1998 to 5,871.

Unadjusted figures showed overall recorded crime in the 12 months to last September rose 9.3%, but the Home Office stressed that new procedures had skewed the figures.

So what percentage of their crimes involved guns? In another conversation with you I looked up the U.S. and it was almost 70%. How about over there?

I know...you are slow.......they have access to guns if they want them...easy access....that they don't use them as much is their choice, not a result of their gun control laws....Britain is an Island, they confiscated guns and have extreme gun control...for normal people. Their criminals get guns easily....their gun crime rates rise as their criminals decide they need more guns for their work.....

They have a different sub-culture...or they did...as my last post shows...their criminal sub culture is being infected by the Rap music culture.....and they are turning to guns more often....

I love this romantic vision you have of European criminals being peace loving and honorable. And accusing rap? Do you support rap control?

 

[2aguy]

And more on British gun crime ....

Liverpool police investigate gunshots outside school
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Salford shooting: shocked locals see gang wars come to their door
But on Tuesday locals woke up to find their streets teeming with armed police, forensics officers, detectives and television cameras after the latest in a string of bloody shootings came to their doorstep.
“Shock is what everyone’s thinking – that, and hope that the perpetrator is caught and that the two victims are doing well,” said one woman, peering out of her front door down the cul-de-sac where a young mother and her seven-year-old son were shot at close range on Monday night.
The shooting, alarming for its callousness, is the 21st gun attack in Salford in 18 months. It follows four other shootings over the weekend in Bolton and Salford, the scenes of separate turf wars being played out between rival drugs gangs.

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This attack is being linked by detectives to the tit-for-tat violence in Salford, which has been bubbling under the surface for more than a year.
The feud burst into the open in July with the murder of Salford’s “Mr Big”, Paul Massey, who was shot dead on the drive of his family home in Clifton, four miles away. His killer remains at large.
“If it’s owt to do with Paul Massey, people won’t say nowt. They’ll be too scared of reprisals,” said one elderly woman walking her dog, who asked not to be named because “that’s how it is”.
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http://www.desiblitz.com/content/salford-named-gun-crime-hub-manchester

Salford has been revealed to be the top hotspot for gun crimes in Manchester. Almost 40 per cent of the city’s shooting incidents have been recorded in the area between 2011 and 2014.

In a set of exclusive figures published by Manchester Evening News, 35 out of 91 incidents related to firearm took place in Salford during the four-year period.



Here is the full list of total reported gun crimes in Manchester, ranked by area:

1. Salford ~ 35
2. South Manchester ~ 22
3. Oldham ~ 9
4. Tameside ~ 6
5. Wigan ~ 6
6. Trafford ~ 4
7. Stockport ~ 3
8. Bolton ~ 2
9. Bury ~ 2
10. Rochdale ~ 1
11. Unidentified ~ 1

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http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/gun-crime-manchester-salford-rise-9723072

he brazen shooting of a man standing outside a pub with his friends in Wythenshawe is the latest example of spiralling gun crime in Greater Manchester.

Our timeline shows it is the latest of at least 30 shootings - three of them fatal - in the last 14 months, most of them in Salford.

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http://www.lfpress.com/2015/06/14/eighteen-year-old-shot-to-death-in-east-london-parking


A teenager was gunned down behind a northeast London plaza Sunday in an early-morning homicide, the city’s fourth killing of the year.

Police were responding to a disturbance in a parking lot at 1181 Highbury Ave., south of Huron St., at 5:20 a.m. when they received a report of gunshots fired at a nearby strip mall.

Officers found an 18-year-old male — identified as Jeremy Ryan Cook, originally of Brampton — with gunshot wounds behind the plaza.

The teen died at the scene, police said.

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http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/11/police-investigation-north-london-shooting-wood-green-erdogan-guzel

Police have begun a murder investigation after a man was killed and a woman critically injured in a double shooting on a busy London high street.

The man was named locally as Erdogan Guzel, a 42-year-old father-of-two, while an unnamed woman was also caught up in the attack in Wood Green on Friday.

It is understood the shooting occurred at about 5.45pm outside the Bros Bakery, in Lordship Lane, where Guzel would often sit. Cordons and diversions were put in place as forensic officers worked at the scene.
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Sumbul said Guzel had two teenage children who were on holiday in Turkey. He said a similar incident happened in the area at the end of June, when a gunman tried to open fire but failed to discharge his weapon before fleeing.


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Man arrested after fatal shooting in busy London street

Police have made an arrest after a man was shot dead in a busy London street. Officers were called at 1.14pm after a gunman opened fire in Hackney in eastLondon. Shoppers reportedly looked on as the man was shot and killed in Chatsworth Road.

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Man critical after gang shooting

A man in his 20s is in a critical condition in hospital after suffering multiple gunshot wounds in a city street.

West Midlands Police said the victim was gunned down in Bevington Road, Aston, Birmingham, at 10.30pm last night after being approached by three masked men.

A police spokesman said officers were alerted to the incident by several 999 calls reporting shots being heard.

"Officers attended the scene and found an Asian man in his 20s lying in the street," the spokesman said.

"It appears he had been shot several times, possibly with a shotgun as he had a number of pellet wounds. He is detained in a critical condition in hospital."

Detectives, who have cordoned off the scene, have yet to establish a motive for the shooting, but say it does not appear to be linked to other recent shootings in the area.



As I keep saying....criminals in Britain gets guns easily.....and they use them when they want to use them...and not one law the British have passed is stopping this....

Those laws do keep normal people from getting guns....but they were never the problem....

So....what kept these shooters from walking into a school...or a theater?

And what are you anti gunners going to say when gun crime begins going up in these countries that confiscated guns....what will your excuse be then?

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And a shooting from 2014....

Burmingham has a few shootings...but I thought that wasn't possible..

From 2014........

Birmingham shooting: Man killed in Sparkbrook, two injured - BBC News

Five men remain in police custody in connection with the fatal shooting of a 28-year-old man in Birmingham.

Two other injured men were taken to hospital, where a 25-year-old with knife wounds is in a critical condition, West Midlands police said.

A 22-year-old is being treated for gunshot injuries that are not thought to be life-threatening.

The only thing we harvest from the guns and knives on our streets is another generation of orphans and widows
Father Oliver Coss, Small Heath parish priest


Four of the arrested men are suspected of violent disorder, and the fifth man of possessing a class-A drug.

The dead man has been named locally as Ikram Elahi.

One witness claimed "about 200 to 300 lads" had gathered in the area around Stratford Road in Sparkbrook prior to the killing on Wednesday evening.


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http://www.guns.com/2015/09/26/british-teen-sentenced-to-life-for-planned-school-attack/

Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.

Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.

As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.

According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.

Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.

The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.

In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”

He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.

that doesn't sound like a country with strict gun control afte a gun confiscation scheme....



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UK's 'gun crime capital': rancour and regret over West Midlands label

About two miles north of Birmingham city centre, in the shadows of Aston Villa’s football stadium, a former gang elder struggles to count the number of times he’s been shot at.

“Loads. Loads,” says Simeon “Zimbo” Moore, 32, a former member of the Johnson Crew, one of Birmingham’s most notorious gangs. “When I was 18, 19, there was shootings every day.”

The most terrifying incident happened five years ago, he says, when he saw his younger cousin killed by a bullet fired through the back of his neck, lodging in his jaw.

“From 2005 to 2010 it was active, shootings were regular but they almost came to a stop for the main part of 2013. It’s slowly beginning to build back up again



The ONS figures show there were 540 firearms offences in the West Midlands in 2013-14, three times fewer than the 1,594 incidents in London. However, when the figures are compared per 100,000 of the population, the West Midlands has a rate of 19.4 incidents compared to 18.95 in the capital.

There were 41 more firearms offences in the West Midlands last year compared to the previous year, meaning that the region accounted for one in nine incidents of gun crime recorded in England and Wales.

 

[2aguy]

Wrong....

France’s real gun problem

Running guns to the heart of Europe: 'Need a Kalashnikov in Belgium? No problem'

But for all the new resolve of the European Union to tighten borders and close loopholes in laws that already effectively ban private ownership of rapid-fire assault weapons, Nemac, Milan and a jaded Serbian policeman doubt it can end the trade.

The Serbian police officer, who is involved in counter-trafficking operations, said investigators uncovered maybe a third of shipments at best. The problem was the sheer volume of weapons, he explained, recounting a tale of a man who told customs officers at Serbia's border with the EU that he was a musician and had nothing to declare but his old accordion.--

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Indeed, there is some irony that Brussels, self-styled "capital" of the European Union and also home to the NATO military alliance, has become a marketplace for such hardware.

"If you have 500 to 1,000 euros you can get a military weapon within half an hour," said Bilal Benyaich, an expert on Islamist radicals at the city's Itinera Institute think-tank.
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This story tracks gun smuggling in Europe.....lots of it....

European Police Face Being Outgunned by Jihadists With Assault Rifles



But although the police quickly traced the weapons source in the Paris attacks, stopping criminals and other jihadist cells in Europe from acquiring assault weapons for further attacks might not be so easy, according to police officials.



French police believe rifles are on sale in French cities for between €1,000 and €1,500. Earlier this month, Philippe Capon, head of the French police union UNSA, told Bloomberg News, “The French black market for weapons has been inundated with eastern European war artillery and arms.” A French police source told TIME that the weapons from the Charlie Hebdoattack came from the Balkans.

That is not the only source of weaponry. Donald says he fears that the continent might be facing a fresh influx of weapons from North Africa in the wake of the Arab Spring revolts. In August, 2011, Libyan rebels looted large quantities of mortars, tank shells and other munitions when Moammar Gaddafi’s regime collapsed. Although most of those weapons are believed to have filtered across North and West Africa, some could also have made their way to Europe.

The arms traffickers have flourished in the absence of well-financed antiweapons units in Europe, where law enforcement has for years tended to plow money into stopping drug-dealing and other crimes. “We don’t fully understand the scale of the problem because we have not had specialized units,” says Donald, referring to law-enforcement agencies in different E.U. countries. “It is a question of priorities. Any police officer will tell you it [resources] is a constant struggle.”

The trade in illegal weapons can earn enormous profits for organized criminal gangs — enough to make the risk of capture worthwhile. Donald says recent investigations have found arms traffickers investing about €30,000 in a shipment of Balkan-era weapons, refurbishing them in their garages, then selling them for them for about 10 times the price. “That’s a huge mark-up,” he says.

As Europe struggles to crack down on illegal weapons, some police recruits face a new training exercise: Go buy a Kalashnikov rifle. Donald says that in “a city in Europe,” which he would not name, “very young officers with no training or experience” were recently told to go find an assault weapon on the streets from an illegal arms dealer. “One came back two hours later with an AK-47,” Donald says. “He bought it for €1,000.”

2 hours? I could get get an assault rifle right now and be back in 15 minutes. And I wouldn't even have to endanger myself by venturing into a black market. I could get a used one for a couple hundred bucks.

Funny....if their gun control actually worked...why has their gun crime started to increase...

And that was 2013.....

Gun crime soars by 35%

Gun crime soars by 35%


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The Government's latest crime figures were condemned as "truly terrible" by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year.

Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed.

Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362.

It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise

and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993.

Figures showed the number of crimes involving handguns had more than doubled since the post-Dunblane massacre ban on the weapons, from 2,636 in 1997-1998 to 5,871.

Unadjusted figures showed overall recorded crime in the 12 months to last September rose 9.3%, but the Home Office stressed that new procedures had skewed the figures.

So what percentage of their crimes involved guns? In another conversation with you I looked up the U.S. and it was almost 70%. How about over there?

I know...you are slow.......they have access to guns if they want them...easy access....that they don't use them as much is their choice, not a result of their gun control laws....Britain is an Island, they confiscated guns and have extreme gun control...for normal people. Their criminals get guns easily....their gun crime rates rise as their criminals decide they need more guns for their work.....

They have a different sub-culture...or they did...as my last post shows...their criminal sub culture is being infected by the Rap music culture.....and they are turning to guns more often....

I love this romantic vision you have of European criminals being peace loving and honorable. And accusing rap? Do you support rap control?

I never said they were peace loving or honorable....I just stated the truth...they do not murder their victims or each other as often as our criminals do......holding an iron to the stomach of a woman they are robbing is hardly peaceful is it...stabbing people and torturing people is hardly peaceloving...and shoving guns in the faces of victims to get them to comply...but not shooting them...hardly peaceful.....