Shooting in Dublin, automatic weapons and pistols...but...but...gun control?

[C_Clayton_Jones]

2AGUY SAID:

“...as more Americans own and carry guns our violent crime rate and our gun murder rate went down...”

Wrong.

This fails as a confusion of correlation and causation fallacy – there is no objective, documented evidence that the carrying of concealed firearms contributed to recent decreases in crimes:

'"There's no firm, solid evidence that the growth in concealed weapons permits has contributed to a drop in crime rates," said James Alan Fox, a criminologist at Northeastern University in Boston.

Among the reasons most criminologists think crime is dropping, he said, are better policing strategies, an end to the crack cocaine epidemic and high rates of incarceration. Even the fact that more Americans have cameras in their phones, and are able to capture crime as it happens, may have contributed.

Fox notes that crime rates have dropped even in states like Massachusetts, which have very restrictive gun laws.'

Fact Check: Do concealed weapons lower crime rates? :: WRAL.com

Americans are not required to 'justify' the exercising of a Constitutional right as a 'prerequisite' to indeed do so – this is a mistake the OP makes time and again, in thread after failed, moronic thread.

 

[TheOldSchool]

You still refuse to answer. Good grief.

And Dublin is not in Britain.

I told you I don't care what the murder rate is......my entire point is that gun control has nothing to do with it. Criminals get guns when they want them and use them when they decide to.......and gun control doesn't stop them.

And American teenage gang members who use facebook to create feuds and then shoot each other in revenge are not Irish or British criminals...but that too is changing....

Ireland has one of the lowest murder rates on the planet, and you want to fix what isn't broken and flood the country with murder tools. Their murder rate, btw, is ~1.0 per 100,000.

Normal gun owners don't shoot other people...so if they own and carry guns that will not affect the gun murder rate.

As we have shown, more Americans own guns, and now 13 million Americans carry guns for self defense, normal gun owners, and our gun murder rate has gone down, not up....and our crime rate has gone down, not up...

What you are saying is that guns cause crime...that they are slinking around places all by themselves and committing crimes.....now that is childish.....

Guns were invented to kill things. It is reasonable to expect that if a country is flooded with guns, more things will be killed.

1) guns were invented to protect the user from attack and to provide food.

2) you are wrong

It is reasonable to expect that if a country is flooded with guns, more things will be killed.

Americans now own more guns and 13 million Americans, more than ever before, now carry guns for self defense and our gun murder rate and our over all crime rate has gone down, not up....

It is not reasonable to expect this....all evidence points to the opposite effect.....

Gunpowder technology developed in Asia was taken by the Europeans and used to make guns, and they subsequently used those guns to conquer the world and kill countless people. Guns were developed because they are the best way to kill things, and they continue to evolve into better ways to kill things.

 

[2aguy]

2AGUY SAID:

“...as more Americans own and carry guns our violent crime rate and our gun murder rate went down...”

Wrong.

This fails as a confusion of correlation and causation fallacy – there is no objective, documented evidence that the carrying of concealed firearms contributed to recent decreases in crimes:

'"There's no firm, solid evidence that the growth in concealed weapons permits has contributed to a drop in crime rates," said James Alan Fox, a criminologist at Northeastern University in Boston.

Among the reasons most criminologists think crime is dropping, he said, are better policing strategies, an end to the crack cocaine epidemic and high rates of incarceration. Even the fact that more Americans have cameras in their phones, and are able to capture crime as it happens, may have contributed.

Fox notes that crime rates have dropped even in states like Massachusetts, which have very restrictive gun laws.'

Fact Check: Do concealed weapons lower crime rates? :: WRAL.com

Americans are not required to 'justify' the exercising of a Constitutional right as a 'prerequisite' to indeed do so – this is a mistake the OP makes time and again, in thread after failed, moronic thread.

yes.....More Americans now own and carry guns....and our gun crime rate, our gun murder rate and our over all crime rate has gone down, making his statement that adding guns would increase people getting killed...that is not true...twit.....

 

[2aguy]

I told you I don't care what the murder rate is......my entire point is that gun control has nothing to do with it. Criminals get guns when they want them and use them when they decide to.......and gun control doesn't stop them.

And American teenage gang members who use facebook to create feuds and then shoot each other in revenge are not Irish or British criminals...but that too is changing....

Ireland has one of the lowest murder rates on the planet, and you want to fix what isn't broken and flood the country with murder tools. Their murder rate, btw, is ~1.0 per 100,000.

Normal gun owners don't shoot other people...so if they own and carry guns that will not affect the gun murder rate.

As we have shown, more Americans own guns, and now 13 million Americans carry guns for self defense, normal gun owners, and our gun murder rate has gone down, not up....and our crime rate has gone down, not up...

What you are saying is that guns cause crime...that they are slinking around places all by themselves and committing crimes.....now that is childish.....

Guns were invented to kill things. It is reasonable to expect that if a country is flooded with guns, more things will be killed.

1) guns were invented to protect the user from attack and to provide food.

2) you are wrong

It is reasonable to expect that if a country is flooded with guns, more things will be killed.

Americans now own more guns and 13 million Americans, more than ever before, now carry guns for self defense and our gun murder rate and our over all crime rate has gone down, not up....

It is not reasonable to expect this....all evidence points to the opposite effect.....

Gunpowder technology developed in Asia was taken by the Europeans and used to make guns, and they subsequently used those guns to conquer the world and kill countless people. Guns were developed because they are the best way to kill things, and they continue to evolve into better ways to kill things.

No...guns were developed because they were the best way to keep the user alive...

 

[skookerasbil]

Nobody cares about gun control.............

The two issues progressives hang their hats on, nobody gives a shit about!!!

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Anyway.......anybody who thinks gun control is effective either had a plate put in their head or some kind of pseudo-labotomy at birth.


[URL='http://www.guns.com/2013/08/30/harvard-study-concludes-gun-control-prevent-murders-violent-crime/']Harvard study concludes that gun control does not prevent murders, other violent crime



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[TheOldSchool]

Ireland has one of the lowest murder rates on the planet, and you want to fix what isn't broken and flood the country with murder tools. Their murder rate, btw, is ~1.0 per 100,000.

Normal gun owners don't shoot other people...so if they own and carry guns that will not affect the gun murder rate.

As we have shown, more Americans own guns, and now 13 million Americans carry guns for self defense, normal gun owners, and our gun murder rate has gone down, not up....and our crime rate has gone down, not up...

What you are saying is that guns cause crime...that they are slinking around places all by themselves and committing crimes.....now that is childish.....

Guns were invented to kill things. It is reasonable to expect that if a country is flooded with guns, more things will be killed.

1) guns were invented to protect the user from attack and to provide food.

2) you are wrong

It is reasonable to expect that if a country is flooded with guns, more things will be killed.

Americans now own more guns and 13 million Americans, more than ever before, now carry guns for self defense and our gun murder rate and our over all crime rate has gone down, not up....

It is not reasonable to expect this....all evidence points to the opposite effect.....

Gunpowder technology developed in Asia was taken by the Europeans and used to make guns, and they subsequently used those guns to conquer the world and kill countless people. Guns were developed because they are the best way to kill things, and they continue to evolve into better ways to kill things.

No...guns were developed because they were the best way to keep the user alive...

Then it wouldn't have been used to conquer the planet and to kill so many 100's of millions of human beings.

 

[2aguy]

2AGUY SAID:

“...as more Americans own and carry guns our violent crime rate and our gun murder rate went down...”

Wrong.

This fails as a confusion of correlation and causation fallacy – there is no objective, documented evidence that the carrying of concealed firearms contributed to recent decreases in crimes:

'"There's no firm, solid evidence that the growth in concealed weapons permits has contributed to a drop in crime rates," said James Alan Fox, a criminologist at Northeastern University in Boston.

Among the reasons most criminologists think crime is dropping, he said, are better policing strategies, an end to the crack cocaine epidemic and high rates of incarceration. Even the fact that more Americans have cameras in their phones, and are able to capture crime as it happens, may have contributed.

Fox notes that crime rates have dropped even in states like Massachusetts, which have very restrictive gun laws.'

Fact Check: Do concealed weapons lower crime rates? :: WRAL.com

Americans are not required to 'justify' the exercising of a Constitutional right as a 'prerequisite' to indeed do so – this is a mistake the OP makes time and again, in thread after failed, moronic thread.

Twit....

Report: Number Of Concealed Carry Permits Surges As Violent Crime Rate Drops

The “Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States” report from the Crime Prevention Research Center released Wednesday analyzed parallels between a 22 percent drop in the overall violent crime rate in the same time period in which the percentage of the adult population with concealed carry permits soared by 130 percent.

The report finds that 11.1 million Americans now have permits to carry concealed weapons, which are up from 4.5 million in 2007. This 146 percent increase parallels a nearly one-quarter (22 percent) drop in both murder and violent crime rates during the same time period.

Regarding right-to-carry laws as a form of deterrence to violent crime, the study authors note that the large majority of peer-reviewed academic studies conclude that permitted concealed handguns reduce violent crime. Those debates center around those who claim concealed handgun permits reduce crime and those who say it has no effect. The CPRC report focuses on states that allow right-to-carry permits and states that don’t require permits for concealed weapons rather than just the amount of permits.

Additionally, the report notes that the number of concealed carry permit holders “is likely much higher than 11.1 million,” because numbers are not available for all statues that issue permits, such as New York. And four states and the vast majority of Montana don’t require residents to have a
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Although cautioning that nationwide “simple cross-sectional comparisons” can present misleading data, the report used new state -level permit data from 2007 on to determine that for each one percentage point increase in the percent of the U.S. adult population holding permits is roughly paralleled with a 1.4 percent drop in the murder rate.

 

[2aguy]

Normal gun owners don't shoot other people...so if they own and carry guns that will not affect the gun murder rate.

As we have shown, more Americans own guns, and now 13 million Americans carry guns for self defense, normal gun owners, and our gun murder rate has gone down, not up....and our crime rate has gone down, not up...

What you are saying is that guns cause crime...that they are slinking around places all by themselves and committing crimes.....now that is childish.....

Guns were invented to kill things. It is reasonable to expect that if a country is flooded with guns, more things will be killed.

1) guns were invented to protect the user from attack and to provide food.

2) you are wrong

It is reasonable to expect that if a country is flooded with guns, more things will be killed.

Americans now own more guns and 13 million Americans, more than ever before, now carry guns for self defense and our gun murder rate and our over all crime rate has gone down, not up....

It is not reasonable to expect this....all evidence points to the opposite effect.....

Gunpowder technology developed in Asia was taken by the Europeans and used to make guns, and they subsequently used those guns to conquer the world and kill countless people. Guns were developed because they are the best way to kill things, and they continue to evolve into better ways to kill things.

No...guns were developed because they were the best way to keep the user alive...

Then it wouldn't have been used to conquer the planet and to kill so many 100's of millions of human beings.

No...socialism killed 100 million people...people who did not have guns to protect themselves from the socialists.......they were disarmed first...then murdered........

 

[2aguy]

Gotta go...enjoy the game.......

 

[TheOldSchool]

Guns were invented to kill things. It is reasonable to expect that if a country is flooded with guns, more things will be killed.

1) guns were invented to protect the user from attack and to provide food.

2) you are wrong

It is reasonable to expect that if a country is flooded with guns, more things will be killed.

Americans now own more guns and 13 million Americans, more than ever before, now carry guns for self defense and our gun murder rate and our over all crime rate has gone down, not up....

It is not reasonable to expect this....all evidence points to the opposite effect.....

Gunpowder technology developed in Asia was taken by the Europeans and used to make guns, and they subsequently used those guns to conquer the world and kill countless people. Guns were developed because they are the best way to kill things, and they continue to evolve into better ways to kill things.

No...guns were developed because they were the best way to keep the user alive...

Then it wouldn't have been used to conquer the planet and to kill so many 100's of millions of human beings.

No...socialism killed 100 million people...people who did not have guns to protect themselves from the socialists.......they were disarmed first...then murdered........

With guns. And it was white people and Asians, the 2 most violent peoples that have ever existed.

 

[2aguy]

1) guns were invented to protect the user from attack and to provide food.

2) you are wrong

Americans now own more guns and 13 million Americans, more than ever before, now carry guns for self defense and our gun murder rate and our over all crime rate has gone down, not up....

It is not reasonable to expect this....all evidence points to the opposite effect.....

Gunpowder technology developed in Asia was taken by the Europeans and used to make guns, and they subsequently used those guns to conquer the world and kill countless people. Guns were developed because they are the best way to kill things, and they continue to evolve into better ways to kill things.

No...guns were developed because they were the best way to keep the user alive...

Then it wouldn't have been used to conquer the planet and to kill so many 100's of millions of human beings.

No...socialism killed 100 million people...people who did not have guns to protect themselves from the socialists.......they were disarmed first...then murdered........

With guns. And it was white people and Asians, the 2 most violent peoples that have ever existed.

And the people murdered didn't have any guns to stop it.

Enjoy the game...