Shooting at Florida yoga studio leaves 3 dead, including gunman, several injured

[JoeB131]

250,000 people a year die from medical mistakes. Why aren’t you concerned about that?

Actually, the number is closer to 98,000, but here's the thing. We are making strives every day to reduce the number of mistakes. We have whole divisions at the medical establishment dedicated to quality control.

The Gun Nuts.. meh, they want to keep flooding more guns into the streets and then wonder why guys like this have guns and kill people.

 

[buttercup]

250,000 people a year die from medical mistakes. Why aren’t you concerned about that?

Actually, the number is closer to 98,000, but here's the thing. We are making strives every day to reduce the number of mistakes. We have whole divisions at the medical establishment dedicated to quality control.

The Gun Nuts.. meh, they want to keep flooding more guns into the streets and then wonder why guys like this have guns and kill people.

The problem is, you don’t hear about all the times that guns save lives. You’ve been indoctrinated and manipulated to fear guns, because we have a corrupt government with an agenda to eventually dismantle the RKBA. And there are some completely unscrupulous segments of our government who will do anything to achieve that goal, including lies, deception and worse. Problem - Reaction - Solution.

I’m sorry, but anyone who is crying out for more gun control is being a useful idiot for the ptsb.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

these people are feckheads as they worry about being shot . I'm 70 , never been worried ever about being shot and where i am at everyone and his Mother has guns . Yeah , these worriers are feckheads

33,000 gun deaths a year... you should be more worried.

You’re 100 percent correct, of course – absolutely spot-on.

The problem is, however, that the political and judicial mechanics are simply not there to make it as difficult to get a gun in the US as the UK.

 

[cwise76]

Another right wing nut hey, what is it white these male white mass shooters??

Another murder in Tallahassee run by an incompetent Left Wing asshole Mayor, Andrew Gillum.

What in the **** are you taking about?

 

[JoeB131]

The problem is, you don’t hear about all the times that guns save lives.

You're right. For pretty much the same reason I didn't hear about that herd of unicorns that stampeded through the Loop last week.

You’ve been indoctrinated and manipulated to fear guns, because we have a corrupt government with an agenda to eventually dismantle the RKBA.

Uh, guy, I was in the Army for 11 years. I have no fear of guns. What I have is a healthy respect for them and a realization most civilians aren't qualified to own them.

And there are some completely unscrupulous segments of our government who will do anything to achieve that goal, including lies, deception and worse. Problem - Reaction - Solution.

I’m sorry, but anyone who is crying out for more gun control is being a useful idiot for the ptsb.

PTSB? RKBA? I'd google this, but I'd be afraid of the resulting spew of nuttiness.

Please, the government is so terrified of the NRA they would rather have children wheeled out in body bags than do something about it.

 

[pismoe]

think about it . USA has a population of right about 310 million in the 2010 Census and thats not counting illegal aliens . Out of all those people which includes many many misfits and criminals , the insane , the drug addicted , drunks and perverts and suiciders the USA had about 35 thousand gun deaths a year which includes deaths caused in self defense , criminals shot by the Police and home owners stopping assaults . ----------------- i say that gun deaths in the USA is no big deal and gun deaths in the USA are negligible . ---------------- think about it and comment or correct me if i am wrong please .

 

[Yousaidwhat]

Beierle was a member of two groups on his Facebook page, FSU College Republicans and We Are Conservatives. At the time of the shooting, Beierle was living in Deltona, Florida. Online records show that Beierle had a 2014 arrest for battery.

from Heavy.

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I stand corrected. Still, that doesn't explain his motive. I noticed some news sources are making this a gun issue.

We had a similar incident at a LA fitness club near Pittsburgh in 2009. Yes, it`s a gun issue because that`s where the bullets come from.
2009 Collier Township shooting - Wikipedia

The bullets come from the gun?

Do you mean like electricity comes from the switch on the wall?

And food from the grocery store?

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

7 Facts You Need To Know About Chicago's MASSIVE Shooting Wave

Pick the party........of all these deaths via gang violence.............

With 321 million people........there will be violence and death............both sides can cherry pick the data they want posted...........for political reasons..........

You don't punish the innocent for the crimes of the few...................

Most gang members don't vote -- especially if they have a criminal record...

Most gang members also don't commit crimes for the purpose of conveying a political message -- in fact, no politics are discerned at all from the act of a gang member shooting another gang member...

Its ok to concede that some people (ON BOTH SIDES, if that makes you feel less hypersensitive) -- commit violent acts because of their ideology...

When that shooter shot Steve Scalise -- I don't recall many republicans showing restraint when blaming "democrats" for the shooting...

But when a guy who identifies himself as a conservative commits a terrorist act -- republicans do all kinds of mental gymnastics to deflect blame on George Soros, whataboutisms, or simply declaring the guy as a wacko -- while continuing to push the same wacko conspiracy theories the shooter acted upon..

 

[2aguy]

Gun crime you nitwit...... 42% increase in gun crime, not gun murder......

Again, miniscule numbers compared to the US.

The US has 400,000 gun crimes a year... the Brits have nowhere near that.

42% increase in London isn't supposed to happen on an Island that banned and confiscated guns.....


Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop violent criminals..according to the CDC.....and as more Americans own and carry guns our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%...if you are worried about crime, get the democrat party to stop letting known, violent, repeat gun offenders out of jail....

 

[2aguy]

these people are feckheads as they worry about being shot . I'm 70 , never been worried ever about being shot and where i am at everyone and his Mother has guns . Yeah , these worriers are feckheads

33,000 gun deaths a year... you should be more worried.

And now the actual picture.....

In a country of over 320 million people with close to 600 million guns in private hands, and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense...

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2016...

gun suicide....22,938

Unintentional gun accidental death..

495

Gum murder...where 70-80% of the victims are criminals, not law abiding citizens.

2016......11,004

2017.....10,982

Then.....number of times Americans use guns for self defense, according to the Centers for Disease control...

1.1 million

Crime rate as more Americans own and carry guns..

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Spinning Reels in an Alternate RealityIf you hook someone with your frantic and incessant fishing for the gungrabbing doormat vote, I suggest you quit being an angler looking for angles. Instead, for once stand up to your Socialist slavemasters and Catch and Release him.

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Have you ever done fly fishing?

I Don't Even Like to Do Flyes

No. I've only fished, ridden horseback, rowed, been on a motorbike, and golfed once in my life each activity. But I do know all about angles.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Trump trash talks some group or sub group that is disrespecting our borders and our right to national sovereignty, and the media is going to tell you he did it because he is racist. If they don't out right lie. Remember when he called Illegals "animals"? Hint This is a trick question.

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I do not like or support trump. He appeals to the common people..
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If We Have to Do It on Our Own, So Must Richkids


"Common" is an old term used by spoiled snobs. HeirHeads have no place in America. But aristocratic tyranny has become so entrenched in the former New World that we populists have no choice but to use one to disinherit all the rest.

 

[2aguy]

250,000 people a year die from medical mistakes. Why aren’t you concerned about that?

Actually, the number is closer to 98,000, but here's the thing. We are making strives every day to reduce the number of mistakes. We have whole divisions at the medical establishment dedicated to quality control.

The Gun Nuts.. meh, they want to keep flooding more guns into the streets and then wonder why guys like this have guns and kill people.

And as more Americans own and carry guns our gun crime and violent crime have gone down, not up....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[2aguy]

7 Facts You Need To Know About Chicago's MASSIVE Shooting Wave

Pick the party........of all these deaths via gang violence.............

With 321 million people........there will be violence and death............both sides can cherry pick the data they want posted...........for political reasons..........

You don't punish the innocent for the crimes of the few...................

Most gang members don't vote -- especially if they have a criminal record...

Most gang members also don't commit crimes for the purpose of conveying a political message -- in fact, no politics are discerned at all from the act of a gang member shooting another gang member...

Its ok to concede that some people (ON BOTH SIDES, if that makes you feel less hypersensitive) -- commit violent acts because of their ideology...

When that shooter shot Steve Scalise -- I don't recall many republicans showing restraint when blaming "democrats" for the shooting...

But when a guy who identifies himself as a conservative commits a terrorist act -- republicans do all kinds of mental gymnastics to deflect blame on George Soros, whataboutisms, or simply declaring the guy as a wacko -- while continuing to push the same wacko conspiracy theories the shooter acted upon..

Except democrats use guns to hurt other people....

You had one guy send fake bombs to democrats....you have an anti-Trump, anti-semitic guy shoot and kill 11 people....he holds the same view as the democrats, not Republicans....

then you have this...

Analysis | The surprising way gun violence is dividing America

In the most Democratic regions, gun violence is more often committed against another, crimes that probably generate more news coverage and fear. In the most Republican areas, it is more often committed against oneself, suicides that may not attract as much attention.

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As the below charts show, Democratic areas (measured by the party that controls the congressional district) are far more likely to experience almost all forms of malicious gun violence than Republican areas.

 

[buttercup]

The problem is, you don’t hear about all the times that guns save lives.

You're right. For pretty much the same reason I didn't hear about that herd of unicorns that stampeded through the Loop last week.

Sorry, but that is just factually incorrect. Guns prevent crimes and save lives all the time, and the good that it does far outweighs the bad. Especially in light of the fact that personal protection is only one of the reasons for the second amendment. There are other, more important reasons. So for you to compare that to unicorns is either totally dishonest, or ignorant. Not sure which.

Uh, guy, I was in the Army for 11 years. I have no fear of guns. What I have is a healthy respect for them and a realization most civilians aren't qualified to own them.

First, I’m not a guy. And I’m always amazed when people assume that I am, when I have a feminine screen name, and I usually have feminine avatars. Lol. Secondly, you may not fear guns for yourself, but you do seem to have a fear of the general public having guns... which is what I was talking about. There is an ongoing campaign to get people to fear guns overall, and to want to give up their second amendment right. Make no mistake, someone who wants to disarm you is not your friend.

PTSB? RKBA? I'd google this, but I'd be afraid of the resulting spew of nuttiness.

Please, the government is so terrified of the NRA they would rather have children wheeled out in body bags than do something about it.

RKBA = Right to Keep and Bear Arms. I’m surprised you’ve never heard of that, if you were in the military. And the other acronym was just something I made up, it stands for “Powers That Shouldn’t Be” (as opposed to “powers that be.”)

And this has zero to do with the NRA. That’s another thing people have been indoctrinated into thinking… there always has to be a boogieman or villain, for everyone to blame. That allows the actual villains to continue on, unnoticed.

 

[Brain357]

250,000 people a year die from medical mistakes. Why aren’t you concerned about that?

Actually, the number is closer to 98,000, but here's the thing. We are making strives every day to reduce the number of mistakes. We have whole divisions at the medical establishment dedicated to quality control.

The Gun Nuts.. meh, they want to keep flooding more guns into the streets and then wonder why guys like this have guns and kill people.

And as more Americans own and carry guns our gun crime and violent crime have gone down, not up....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Those all went down right after we got background checks.

 

[Brain357]

The problem is, you don’t hear about all the times that guns save lives.

You're right. For pretty much the same reason I didn't hear about that herd of unicorns that stampeded through the Loop last week.

Sorry, but that is just factually incorrect. Guns prevent crimes and save lives all the time, and the good that it does far outweighs the bad. Especially in light of the fact that personal protection is only one of the reasons for the second amendment. There are other, more important reasons. So for you to compare that to unicorns is either totally dishonest, or ignorant. Not sure which.

Uh, guy, I was in the Army for 11 years. I have no fear of guns. What I have is a healthy respect for them and a realization most civilians aren't qualified to own them.

First, I’m not a guy. And I’m always amazed when people assume that I am, when I have a feminine screen name, and I usually have feminine avatars. Lol. Secondly, you may not fear guns for yourself, but you do seem to have a fear of the general public having guns... which is what I was talking about. There is an ongoing campaign to get people to fear guns overall, and to want to give up their second amendment right. Make no mistake, someone who wants to disarm you is not your friend.

PTSB? RKBA? I'd google this, but I'd be afraid of the resulting spew of nuttiness.

Please, the government is so terrified of the NRA they would rather have children wheeled out in body bags than do something about it.

RKBA = Right to Keep and Bear Arms. I’m surprised you’ve never heard of that, if you were in the military. And the other acronym was just something I made up, it stands for “Powers That Shouldn’t Be” (as opposed to “powers that be.”)

And this has zero to do with the NRA. That’s another thing people have been indoctrinated into thinking… there always has to be a boogieman or villain, for everyone to blame. That allows the actual villains to continue on, unnoticed.

The bad greatly outweighs the good. Our homicide rate is 4-5X that of countries with strong gun control.

 

[Brain357]

London murder rate soars by 44 per cent and knife crime is up | Daily Mail Online




Could not pay me to go visit London

You'd be a whole lot safer than you are in most cities here...

 

[Brain357]

We have pissed off people over here in the UK. But because we dont have guns we dont have daily tragedies like this. When will you learn ?

Well we're trying to learn from your mass immigration debacle. But rather than learn from your own debacle, you just project onto us, come onto our forums like US MESSAGE BOARD and chide us for our shortcomings rather look into your own.

I read there's a mass of knife crimes in the UK now. Imagine that.

Gun crime in London, is up 42%, gun crime across England and Wales is up 23%......

Gun crime in the U.S. over the last 25 years as more Americans own and carry guns? Down 75%....gun murder down 49%.

At least you’re consistent at being wrong:

“Supporters insist that allowing people to legally carry concealed handguns reduces crime, but that has not been the result in at least four states that have tried it, including Texas, according to a newly published academic study led by a Texas A&M researcher.”

Study: Concealed Handgun Permits Don't Affect Crime Rate

Yes....one anti gun study....here, another recent study that shows that Americans who own and carry guns does not increase the gun crime rate....

Landmark Study Finds Concealed Carry Does NOT Increase Violent Crime - The Truth About Guns

On October 22, Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership (DRGO) presented new concealed carry-related research to the Congress of the American College of Surgeons. The key takeaway from this research is that relaxing concealed carry laws has no effect on violent crime rates.

This paper, which was well received and is now available online (paywalled),is an important step toward clarifying contradictory findings in the existing research literature. Past research focused largely on concealed carriers as a group or on the number of concealed carry licenses among the population. However, increased interest in concealed carry is very possibly a response to rising crime rates, not a cause. For this reason, this DGRO-affiliated study measured the effects (or lack thereof) of legislation only, not the number of permits issued or the number of gun owners in the population.

Using data from a 30-year period (1986-2015), during which many U.S. states changed their concealed carry policies in favor of greater leniency, the researchers designed a Carry Restriction Scale that incorporated “no carry,” “may issue,” “shall issue,” and “unrestricted carry.” This allowed the leniency of concealed carry legislation to be meaningfully understood as a variable in their statistical analysis. Then, for good measure, they created a second, binary variable that also measured restrictiveness of concealed carry laws.

For each state and year during that 30-year period, the researchers amassed data on 14 different variables, including the Carry Restriction Scale variable. Among those, they included not only data on various violent crimes (rape, aggravated assault, homicide, etc.) but also data on unemployment and poverty rates, which are known to influence crime. Thanks to this dynamic approach, they were able to actually isolate the variable they were interested in.

Finally, applying a regression analysis that involved over 21,420 discrete data points and two different measures of concealed carry leniency, the researchers confidently confirmed their hypothesis: There is no association between state-level concealed carry laws and the rate of ANY violent crime.


Meanwhile, I will see your one study....with all of these...

Do Right-to-carry laws reduce violent crime? - Crime Prevention Research Center


Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns, John R. Lott, Jr. and David B. Mustard, Journal of Legal Studies, 1997

The Effect of Concealed Weapons Laws: An Extreme Bound Analysis by William Alan Bartley and Mark A Cohen, published in Economic Inquiry, April 1998 (Copy available here)

The Concealed‐Handgun Debate, John R. Lott, Jr., Journal of Legal Studies, January 1998

Criminal Deterrence, Geographic Spillovers, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by Stephen Bronars and John R. Lott, Jr., American Economic Review, May 1998

The Impact of Gun Laws on Police Deaths by David Mustard, published in the Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Privately Produced General Deterrence By BRUCE L. BENSON AND BRENT D. MAST, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Does the Right to Carry Concealed Handguns Deter Countable Crimes? Only a Count Analysis Can Say By FLORENZ PLASSMANN AND T. NICOLAUS TIDEMAN, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Testing for the Effects of Concealed Weapons Laws: Specification Errors and Robustness By CARLISLE E. MOODY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Right-to-Carry Concealed Weapon Laws and Homicide in Large U.S. Counties: The Effect on Weapon Types, Victim Characteristics, and Victim-Offender Relationships By DAVID E. OLSON AND MICHAEL D. MALTZ, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Safe-Storage Gun Laws: Accidental Deaths, Suicides, and Crime By JOHN R. LOTT, JR., AND JOHN E. WHITLEY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001 — see Table 3 on page 679

Confirming More Guns, Less Crime by Florenz Plassmann and John Whitley, published in the Stanford Law Review, 2003

Measurement Error in County-Level UCR Data by John R. Lott, Jr. and John Whitley, published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, June 2003, Volume 19, Issue 2, pp 185-198

Using Placebo Laws to Test “More Guns, Less Crime” by Eric Helland and Alexander Tabarrok, published in Advances in Economic Analysis and Policy, 4 (1): Article 1, 2004

Abortion and Crime: Unwanted children and out-of-wedlock births, John R. Lott, Jr and John Whitley, October 2006.– page 14, Table 2.

The Impact of Banning Juvenile Gun Possession By Thomas B. Marvell, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001 — page 707, fn. 29

Multiple Victim Public Shootings, Bombings, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handgun Laws: Contrasting Private and Public Law Enforcement By John R. Lott, Jr. and William Landes, published in The Bias Against Guns

More Readers of Gun Magazines, But Not More Crimes by Florenz Plassmann and John R. Lott, Jr. — many places in the text.

“More Guns, Less Crime” by John R Lott, Jr. (University of Chicago Press, 2010, 3rd edition).

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody, Thomas B. Marvell, Paul R Zimmerman, and Fasil Alemante published in Review of Economics & Finance, 2014

“An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates” by Mark Giusa published in Applied Economics Letters, Volume 21, Issue 4, 2014

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, volume 5, number 3, September 2008 It is also available here..

“The Debate on Shall Issue Laws, Continued” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 6, Number 2 May 2009

“Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang” by Carlisle e. Moody, John R Lott, Jr, and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 10, Number 1, January 2013

“On the Choice of Control Variables in the Crime Equation” by Carlisle E. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, Oxford Bulletin of Economics and Statistics, Volume 72, Issue 5, pages 696–715, October 2010.

“The Impact of Right-to-Carry Laws: A Critique of the 2014 Version of Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang,” Carlisle E. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, Econ Journal Watch, January 2018: 51-66.

More Guns, Less Crime: A Response to Ayres and Donohue’s 1999 book review in the American Law and Economics Review by John R. Lott, Jr.

Right-to-Carry Laws and Violent Crime Revisited: Clustering, Measurement Error, and State-by-State Break downs by John R. Lott, Jr.

A long list, too bad almost all of it is by the same disgraced economist....

 

[Brain357]

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"A gunman opened fire inside a yoga studio in Tallahassee, Florida, on Friday, killing two women and wounding five other people before killing himself, authorities said. Tallahassee police identified the shooter as Scott Paul Beierle, 40.

A total of seven victims were taken to a local hospital, police said. Six suffered from gunshot wounds and one had been pistol-whipped. Two of the victims died, while another two are in stable condition. Three have been released from the hospital.

Tallahassee police identified the victims as Maura Binkley, 21, and Nancy Van Vessem, 61. Florida State University's president issued a statement early Saturday saying Binkley was a student and Vessem a faculty member.

Police believe the gunman acted alone, and Police Chief Michael DeLeo said there is no threat to the community. "There is no immediate threat outside what has already occurred this evening," DeLeo said. The motive is still unknown, police said". - Source​

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The shooter - Scott Beierle: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know -
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Another gun free zone.....too bad for them.

Funny how no killer ever got their gun in a gun free zone. The failure is outside of the zone.