Shocker! A Liberal Attack On Success

[TemplarKormac]

It's wrong for Wal-Mart to drop cash into charter schools and to influence the education system when they refuse to pay their workers enough to survive without state aid. Period. This information has been out for a very long time.

Don't you think it's a bit hypocritical to sit there and admonish Wal-Mart for funding charter schools, when you say nothing of the Federal Government dropping cash into Public Schools?

What is wrong with this picture?

Nope. Why would I do that?

They're doing the exact same thing!

 

[Disir]

Your post would only apply if what I posted was contrary to the entire piece.

Did I?

If so....show it.


Or have you lost the debate and now resort to the oh-so-Liberal default: lying.

Where is this:The group frequently finds themselves in disagreement with white, working-class voters,

http://www.people-press.org/files/legacy-pdf/312.pdf

"Views of many corporations vary significantly among Democrats along class lines. Two thirds of working-class Democrats have a favorable view of Wal-Mart compared with 45% of professional-class Democrats."
http://www.people-press.org/files/legacy-pdf/312.pdf




So....when can I expect your apology?

So, it doesn't say this:The group frequently finds themselves in disagreement with white, working-class voters? and it doesn't say this: consider it to be something akin to evil incarnate?

 

[Disir]

Don't you think it's a bit hypocritical to sit there and admonish Wal-Mart for funding charter schools, when you say nothing of the Federal Government dropping cash into Public Schools?

What is wrong with this picture?

Nope. Why would I do that?

They're doing the exact same thing!

Make your case. I'm willing to hear you out.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Where is this:The group frequently finds themselves in disagreement with white, working-class voters,

http://www.people-press.org/files/legacy-pdf/312.pdf

"Views of many corporations vary significantly among Democrats along class lines. Two thirds of working-class Democrats have a favorable view of Wal-Mart compared with 45% of professional-class Democrats."
http://www.people-press.org/files/legacy-pdf/312.pdf




So....when can I expect your apology?

So, it doesn't say this:The group frequently finds themselves in disagreement with white, working-class voters? and it doesn't say this: consider it to be something akin to evil incarnate?

You worm.

What a sleazy attempt to deny the truth.



Same thing Liberals did in denying that there are Death Panels aimed at rationing healthcare....

 

[Disir]

"Views of many corporations vary significantly among Democrats along class lines. Two thirds of working-class Democrats have a favorable view of Wal-Mart compared with 45% of professional-class Democrats."
http://www.people-press.org/files/legacy-pdf/312.pdf




So....when can I expect your apology?

So, it doesn't say this:The group frequently finds themselves in disagreement with white, working-class voters? and it doesn't say this: consider it to be something akin to evil incarnate?

You worm.

What a sleazy attempt to deny the truth.



Same thing Liberals did in denying that there are Death Panels aimed at rationing healthcare....

So, this is what happens when you get popped for taking crap out of context. You never did answer. Is it by the post or by the word?

For shame.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Nope. Why would I do that?

They're doing the exact same thing!

Make your case. I'm willing to hear you out.

Does Common Core ring a bell?

Why does our government have an Education Department setting standards for schools all across the country? Where do the textbooks come from? The things kids learn are being controlled by the government, more specifically through the money they spend.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Oh boy, yet another PoliticalSpice thread based upon a complete fallacy.

There is zero credible evidence that charter schools produce better results than public schools.

 

[TemplarKormac]

So, it doesn't say this:The group frequently finds themselves in disagreement with white, working-class voters? and it doesn't say this: consider it to be something akin to evil incarnate?

You worm.

What a sleazy attempt to deny the truth.



Same thing Liberals did in denying that there are Death Panels aimed at rationing healthcare....

So, this is what happens when you get popped for taking crap out of context. You never did answer. Is it by the post or by the word?

For shame.

Says the one who never attempted to engage PC's thread directly. You started off with a snide remark. Come now. You halfheartedly referred me to an article by the NYT and asserted that was definitive refutation of PC's points. I'm sorry, but no.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Oh boy, yet another PoliticalSpice thread based upon a complete fallacy.

There is zero credible evidence that charter schools produce better results than public schools.

You mean besides test scores, right?

 

[Derideo_Te]

Oh boy, yet another PoliticalSpice thread based upon a complete fallacy.

There is zero credible evidence that charter schools produce better results than public schools.

You mean besides test scores, right?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Oh boy, yet another PoliticalSpice thread based upon a complete fallacy.

There is zero credible evidence that charter schools produce better results than public schools.

Then you probably missed this study:

http://credo.stanford.edu/documents/NCSS 2013 Final Draft.pdf

Stanford Study Says Charter School Children Outperform - Bloomberg

 

[Derideo_Te]

Oh boy, yet another PoliticalSpice thread based upon a complete fallacy.

There is zero credible evidence that charter schools produce better results than public schools.

Then you probably missed this study:

http://credo.stanford.edu/documents/NCSS 2013 Final Draft.pdf

Stanford Study Says Charter School Children Outperform - Bloomberg

Did you read your own links?

As many as one in five charter schools should be closed because of poor academic performance, according to a November 2012 report from the National Association of Charter School Authorizers, which represents states, districts and universities that grant them permission to operate.

“Policy makers have to be willing to make the tough political call to say no to keeping a failing school open,” said Greg Richmond, president and chief executive officer of the National Association of Charter School Authorizers in Chicago. “There are still 1,000 schools that are worse than their counterparts. We need to recognize that fact and deal with it.”

Students from all backgrounds didn’t benefit equally from charter schools, the study found. Black students in poverty achieved above-average learning gains -- equivalent to 36 additional days of learning in math -- as did low-income Hispanic students. White students fared worse overall, while Asians did more poorly only in math.

To address concerns about differences in school populations, the Stanford study sought to compare the improvement in academic achievement of similar students, matching each pupil at a charter with a “virtual twin” at a regular school with similar state test scores while controlling for demographics.

Charters now serve about 4 percent of the nation’s public school pupils, with more than 2.3 million students in over 6,000 schools in 41 states, according to the study. Enrollment has surged 80 percent since the 2009 report.

Given that only 4% of children are educated in 6,000 charter schools and 20% of those should be shut down for failing to provide an education on a par with public schools is not exactly proof of what PoliticalSpice is alleging. If anything it proves that she is basing this thread upon a fallacy.

 

[PoliticalChic]

So, it doesn't say this:The group frequently finds themselves in disagreement with white, working-class voters? and it doesn't say this: consider it to be something akin to evil incarnate?

You worm.

What a sleazy attempt to deny the truth.



Same thing Liberals did in denying that there are Death Panels aimed at rationing healthcare....

So, this is what happens when you get popped for taking crap out of context. You never did answer. Is it by the post or by the word?

For shame.

So....you don't understand what "out of context" means?

Stupidity is your excuse???


If it was out of context, you should be able to show that the total piece said the opposite of what I posted.

It didn't.

You couldn't.

Therefore, like any 'good' Liberal....you lie.




You have lost on every single point you've tried to advance.

Well, If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning.

 

[The T]

Oh boy, yet another PoliticalSpice thread based upon a complete fallacy.

There is zero credible evidence that charter schools produce better results than public schools.

You mean besides test scores, right?

Look it up yourself.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Want to have real fun? Go to NYC Pension Funds and tell them you want them to invest in a mixed-use project where the anchor tenant is a Walmart and there's a Charter School on the second floor.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Oh boy, yet another PoliticalSpice thread based upon a complete fallacy.

There is zero credible evidence that charter schools produce better results than public schools.

Then you probably missed this study:

http://credo.stanford.edu/documents/NCSS 2013 Final Draft.pdf

Stanford Study Says Charter School Children Outperform - Bloomberg

Did you read your own links?

As many as one in five charter schools should be closed because of poor academic performance, according to a November 2012 report from the National Association of Charter School Authorizers, which represents states, districts and universities that grant them permission to operate.

“Policy makers have to be willing to make the tough political call to say no to keeping a failing school open,” said Greg Richmond, president and chief executive officer of the National Association of Charter School Authorizers in Chicago. “There are still 1,000 schools that are worse than their counterparts. We need to recognize that fact and deal with it.”

Students from all backgrounds didn’t benefit equally from charter schools, the study found. Black students in poverty achieved above-average learning gains -- equivalent to 36 additional days of learning in math -- as did low-income Hispanic students. White students fared worse overall, while Asians did more poorly only in math.

To address concerns about differences in school populations, the Stanford study sought to compare the improvement in academic achievement of similar students, matching each pupil at a charter with a “virtual twin” at a regular school with similar state test scores while controlling for demographics.

Charters now serve about 4 percent of the nation’s public school pupils, with more than 2.3 million students in over 6,000 schools in 41 states, according to the study. Enrollment has surged 80 percent since the 2009 report.

Given that only 4% of children are educated in 6,000 charter schools and 20% of those should be shut down for failing to provide an education on a par with public schools is not exactly proof of what PoliticalSpice is alleging. If anything it proves that she is basing this thread upon a fallacy.

That's a lot better than the public schools record!!

 

[Moonglow]

Just work for Wally World and invest directly from your paycheck, like my wife..

 

[Derideo_Te]

You mean besides test scores, right?

Look it up yourself.

The onus is on the person making the allegation to provide the evidence to back it up when called upon to do so.

If they can't then they forfeit their position.

 

[Moonglow]

Not only does my son get learned(old talk from 19th century Papa) at school, he gets it everyday from myself....

 

[PoliticalChic]

Oh boy, yet another PoliticalSpice thread based upon a complete fallacy.

There is zero credible evidence that charter schools produce better results than public schools.

"There is zero credible evidence that charter schools produce better results than public schools."



Showing you to be.....'challenged' mentally ...has been done with metronomic regularity...and continuing same is akin to beating a dead horse....

...but it is my guilty pleasure....so:




Public charter schools shrink achievement gaps for minority and low-income students in urban schools.

Public charter middle schools in Boston cut the black-white achievement gap in math by as much as half in a single year. Significant increases in student achievement also happen in English and math at both the middle school and high school level. (The Boston Foundation, 2009; Harvard University, 2011).

Public charter schools were more effective for lower income and lower achieving students than for higher income and higher achieving students. In addition, charter schools in large urban areas had positive impacts on student achievement in math. (Mathematica Policy Research, 2010).

Black and Hispanic students who attended charter schools in NYC for eight years closed the achievement gap with affluent suburbs like Scarsdale by 86% in math and 66% in English. (National Bureau of Economic Research, 2009).


The CREDO study by Stanford University found that students in poverty and English Language Learners performed significantly better at public charter schools (Stanford University/CREDO, 2009).

Students enrolled at public charter schools in the poorest areas of the country are 6.5% more likely to be proficient in reading than in their traditional school counterparts (Harvard University/National Bureau of Economic Research, 2004).

Students enrolled at public charter schools found in Hispanic areas across the country are 7.6% more likely to proficient in math and 4.2% more likely to be proficient in reading than in their traditional school counterparts (Harvard University/National Bureau of Economic Research, 2004).

Charter schools in Minnesota, Missouri, and Louisiana found positive effects on black students’ achievement in reading and math. (Stanford University/CREDO, 2009)

Hispanic students at public charter school students in Missouri do better compared to their traditional school peers in both math and reading. In addition, Hispanic public charter school students do better in math in Arkansas, Colorado and Louisiana than their traditional public school peers (Stanford University/CREDO, 2009).

Facts on Public Charters | Stand for Children



"There is zero credible evidence that charter schools produce better results than public schools."

Dunce.