Sharia Law vs. the Constitution

[Billo_Really]

They are trying to bring in sharia law in certain cases and it is going to lead to a bad end. The best defense is a good offense. ALAC provides that.

If Christian's can't get their god-damn religion into the court system after 200 years, what makes you think muslims can?

 

[Coyote]

They are trying to bring in sharia law in certain cases and it is going to lead to a bad end. The best defense is a good offense. ALAC provides that.

If Christian's can't get their god-damn religion into the court system after 200 years, what makes you think muslims can?

Exactly...that's what's so frickin hilarious about this hysteria!

 

[Coyote]

Please keep it polite. We don't want this thread landing in badlands!

Then quit acting like this some sort of conspiracy and give us a solid cite that shows how Sharia Law has actually been applied. The contention isn't that Sharia and the Constitution are different, but whether it's actually being applied in US courtrooms.

Nope...Any attempt to introduce Sharia into the US must be stopped before it starts.
If you are just one bit informed, you must know that Sharia is making inroads in Western Europe.

What specific laws?

 

[Coyote]

The Dearborn Mayor has already been proven a liar. The US Senator who challenged him on youtube proved it quite well.

Link? What was disproved?

[ame=http://youtu.be/y3V57aLHfes]CNN: Mayor: No Sharia law in Dearborn - YouTube[/ame]

CNN helps the Mayor by claiming she had her facts wrong. She didn't. More liberal media covering for Muslims. It is truly amazing when you hear the applause in background from people who know very well she is speaking the truth.

If she didn't have her facts wrong - prove that they were right then.

You post stuff claiming she's wrong and then claim a liberal media conspiracy cover up.

Ok - show me the truth. Show me Sharia law in effect in Michigan - you have yet to do so.

 

[Billo_Really]

Exactly...that's what's so frickin hilarious about this hysteria!

I am having a pretty good hoot over this one!

 

[thereisnospoon]

Then quit acting like this some sort of conspiracy and give us a solid cite that shows how Sharia Law has actually been applied. The contention isn't that Sharia and the Constitution are different, but whether it's actually being applied in US courtrooms.

Nope...Any attempt to introduce Sharia into the US must be stopped before it starts.
If you are just one bit informed, you must know that Sharia is making inroads in Western Europe.

What specific laws?

Britain's Sharia Courts: "You Cannot Go Against What Islam Says" :: Gatestone Institute
Sharia law SHOULD be used in Britain, says UK's top judge | Mail Online
Archbishop of Canterbury warns sharia law in Britain is inevitable - Home News - UK - The Independent

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Nope...Any attempt to introduce Sharia into the US must be stopped before it starts.
If you are just one bit informed, you must know that Sharia is making inroads in Western Europe.

What specific laws?

Britain's Sharia Courts: "You Cannot Go Against What Islam Says" :: Gatestone Institute
Sharia law SHOULD be used in Britain, says UK's top judge | Mail Online
Archbishop of Canterbury warns sharia law in Britain is inevitable - Home News - UK - The Independent

Yes, I have heard some videos with a speaker from the UK referring to some of this.

 

[Wacky Quacky]

Nope...Any attempt to introduce Sharia into the US must be stopped before it starts.
If you are just one bit informed, you must know that Sharia is making inroads in Western Europe.

What specific laws?

Britain's Sharia Courts: "You Cannot Go Against What Islam Says" :: Gatestone Institute
Sharia law SHOULD be used in Britain, says UK's top judge | Mail Online
Archbishop of Canterbury warns sharia law in Britain is inevitable - Home News - UK - The Independent

Now go back and read the links you posted. Especially all of the times they mention that sharia courts cannot contradict Britain's laws.

 

[Darkwind]

Then quit acting like this some sort of conspiracy and give us a solid cite that shows how Sharia Law has actually been applied. The contention isn't that Sharia and the Constitution are different, but whether it's actually being applied in US courtrooms.

Perhaps because keeping Sharia law from being applied is what is being discussed and what is at stake. You do understand preventative measures, right?

Where's the evidence that courts have considering applying it? That's what I'd like to discuss. That OK with you?

Where was the evidence that courts were going to apply gay marriage?

Understand yet?

 

[Darkwind]

Then quit acting like this some sort of conspiracy and give us a solid cite that shows how Sharia Law has actually been applied. The contention isn't that Sharia and the Constitution are different, but whether it's actually being applied in US courtrooms.

Perhaps because keeping Sharia law from being applied is what is being discussed and what is at stake. You do understand preventative measures, right?

What's at stake? Nothing.

We have a country that is 79% Christian and .6% Muslim.

Despite those numbers our Constitution and our citizens have managed to prevent Christian religious fundamentalists from forcing religious law onto us - despite a large number of sympathetic elected officials. What makes you think that .6% of American Muslims are:
1. Enough to force Sharia
2. Overcome Constitutional Law
3. Even WANT Sharia?

Seriously. This is like preventative measures for a Zombie invasion.

Will you feel the same when Christisans start blowing up bombs and killing people and then the population making concessions out of fear of 'offending' the Christian?

That is what is going on right now with the Muslim. This country walks on eggshells for fear of offending the Muslim because of the extremists...

Always, you people stop at the wrong point. Take it ALL THE WAY to its logical conclusion on the basis of what is happening.....TODAY.

 

[Oldguy]

Nope...Any attempt to introduce Sharia into the US must be stopped before it starts.
If you are just one bit informed, you must know that Sharia is making inroads in Western Europe.

What specific laws?

Britain's Sharia Courts: "You Cannot Go Against What Islam Says" :: Gatestone Institute
Sharia law SHOULD be used in Britain, says UK's top judge | Mail Online
Archbishop of Canterbury warns sharia law in Britain is inevitable - Home News - UK - The Independent

(psssst. Hey. Come 'er, I wanna whisper somethin' to ya......we don't live in the UK and they don't have our Constitution. In fact, they don't have a written Constitution at all. Do you get the difference?)

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

What specific laws?

Britain's Sharia Courts: "You Cannot Go Against What Islam Says" :: Gatestone Institute
Sharia law SHOULD be used in Britain, says UK's top judge | Mail Online
Archbishop of Canterbury warns sharia law in Britain is inevitable - Home News - UK - The Independent

Now go back and read the links you posted. Especially all of the times they mention that sharia courts cannot contradict Britain's laws.

If that is true how are they allowing 5 year old british children ( little girls ) to marry grown Muslim men? Did you realise that is happening in Britain? It was a big story last year in their news. While the gatestone institute says that Sharia courtrooms are now seeking FULL SHARIA LAW ( guess that means amputation, beheadings, etc ) and that could be next. So we see what is happening in Britain is the British people are losing their way of life.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

For the record British law does not allow paedophiles to marry children.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

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Here are the links to story about 5 yr old forced into Muslim wedding. Britain is allowing Sharia but has yet to allow full sharia law in the courts. Still it is enough that a 5 yr old child could be forced into marriage because of Islam. Now in America could you imagine living under sharia law where a Muslim tells you they want your five yr old daughter as a wife? Do you realise as a Dhimmi under sharia you would not have a choice in the matter? They could actually take your 5 yr old from you? This is why we fight Sharia in the USA through American Law for American Courtrooms. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. What is happening in Britain could very well happen here. - Jeremiah

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Here is story:



Telegraph.co.uk

Five-year-old girl a victim of forced marriage
A five-year-old girl has become Britain’s youngest known victim of forced marriage, it has emerged.

Forced marriage: criminalisation could deter victims, claim Photo: ALAMY By John Bingham, Social Affairs Editor
8:00AM BST 31 Mar 2012


The child, who has not been named, was among 400 children dealt with by the Home Office’s dedicated Forced Marriage Unit, last year. An 87-year-old woman was also a suspected victim.

But campaigners warned that the case could be just the tip of the iceberg with “thousands” of children in some communities believed to have been promised in marriage from birth.

The case was highlighted by Amy Cumming, joint head of the unit, who was speaking as a consultation on plans to make forced marriage a criminal offence.

Currently it is not illegal in Britain to force someone to get married against their will.

The strongest sanctions available are “Forced Marriage Orders”, a type of civil court order which operate like an injunction but are viewed as little more than a “slap on the wrist” by critics.

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Last year David Cameron signalled his support for tightening up the law likening forced marriage to “slavery” and Theresa May pledged to “stamp out this appalling abuse”.

But a similar consultation exercise eight years ago – which led to the introduction of the civil orders – prompted the then Government to decide against criminalising force d marriage.

That followed claims from some quarters that the law might “stigmatise” communities and drive the practice even further underground.

Supporters of criminalisation say that only by making it a crime will victims feel confident to come forward.

Jasvinder Sanghera, herself a former victim who now runs the support group and helpline The Honour Network, said it is likely the girl had been promised from birth to a first cousin.

The practice is particularly prevalent among Muslims of Pakistani origin, she said.

Although the marriage would not be recognised by law in Britain, children can take part in religious “Nikkah” ceremonies – or weddings – in a Mosque or even a private home.

She told of one friend who had been taken to Pakistan as a seven-year-old boy for what he thought was a “party” only to realise later that he had been married.

“We have had cases where girls have rung the helpline and said ‘I’ve been forced into a marriage, they have done the Nikkah, they have done it over the phone’.

“The interesting question here would be to know where that girl is today, whether she has been placed in foster care or sent back to the perpetrators.

“I also wonder who is holding her parents to account for doing this.”

She said that many such cases only come to light because the child stops attending school.

“The professionals are not looking at this as child protection, they are just pandering to concerns around cultural sensitivity," she said.

“How can a five-year-old can be forced into a marriage? This would not happened to a white British five year-old girl because people would be jumping up and down about it.”

Supporters of the ban have actively campaigned to involve the general public in this year’s consultation.

The Honour Network collected responses from more than 2,500 people, 96 per cent of whom supported a ban and only three per cent were against.

Last year the Forced Marriage Unit handled 1,468 cases involving victims ranging in age from five to 87.

One in 10 cases involved children under 15 and almost half were between 16 and 21. More than 65 per cent of cases involved people of Pakistani or Bangladeshi origin.


SOURCE: The Telegraph

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Eventually we can expect to begin hearing about 5 yr old girls forced to marry Muslims in USA. It is only a matter of time. Another aspect of Islam I cannot condone. Paedophilia.

 

[thereisnospoon]

What specific laws?

Britain's Sharia Courts: "You Cannot Go Against What Islam Says" :: Gatestone Institute
Sharia law SHOULD be used in Britain, says UK's top judge | Mail Online
Archbishop of Canterbury warns sharia law in Britain is inevitable - Home News - UK - The Independent

Now go back and read the links you posted. Especially all of the times they mention that sharia courts cannot contradict Britain's laws.

That is NOT the point. There cannot be TWO sets of laws for ONE society.
Yes, Orthodox and Hasidic Jews have their Rabbinical Courts, bit only to settle marriage disputes, whether or not to excommunicate a person from the faith, whether or not a person is actually member of the Jewish faith, etc....
Sharia seeks to have Muslims live by an entirely separate set of laws.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Coyote, it is very simple. Americans do not want sharia law being used in ANY american courtroom and that includes Michigan - ALL the states.

First we must determine if it is being used. Otherwise this is a non-existent problem designed to single out Muslims. Why not ANY religious law? Why ONLY Islamic religious law?

You realize "Sharia" law is what governs the selling of Halal acceptable food? You realize Jewish religious law is what governs Kosher food? Those are two examples where religious law is used in order to make claims about certain foods - so that they meet the standards of certain religions. So we eliminate Sharia but keep Kosher?

Both Islamic, Christian and Jewish religious law are used within certain kinds of negotiations - for example monetary and business dealings, marriages, divorces. Typically the parties consent to negotiate under those rules but they always have recourse to state and federal law and in no way does religious law ever trump state law. So my question to you is should we only single out Islamic laws here or all of them? Should people be banned from it using Sharia-compliant banking systems if they want to?

We abide by our constitution. Not Sharia. If you want that? Go to the middle east. That's all we are saying! This is America! Our courtrooms shall use American Law period. NO SHARIA LAW.

We abide by our constitution. Yes.

So Christian religious law is ok then?

Would you be comfortable with Sharia law in your community? Eschewing US Constitutional, State and local laws?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Coyote, it is very simple. Americans do not want sharia law being used in ANY american courtroom and that includes Michigan - ALL the states.

First we must determine if it is being used. Otherwise this is a non-existent problem designed to single out Muslims. Why not ANY religious law? Why ONLY Islamic religious law?

You realize "Sharia" law is what governs the selling of Halal acceptable food? You realize Jewish religious law is what governs Kosher food? Those are two examples where religious law is used in order to make claims about certain foods - so that they meet the standards of certain religions. So we eliminate Sharia but keep Kosher?

Both Islamic, Christian and Jewish religious law are used within certain kinds of negotiations - for example monetary and business dealings, marriages, divorces. Typically the parties consent to negotiate under those rules but they always have recourse to state and federal law and in no way does religious law ever trump state law. So my question to you is should we only single out Islamic laws here or all of them? Should people be banned from it using Sharia-compliant banking systems if they want to?

We abide by our constitution. Not Sharia. If you want that? Go to the middle east. That's all we are saying! This is America! Our courtrooms shall use American Law period. NO SHARIA LAW.

We abide by our constitution. Yes.

So Christian religious law is ok then?

Like it or not our laws are based on Judeo-Christain values and tenets.
The majority of the population is of the Christian faith.
I see no problem here.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Coyote, it is very simple. Americans do not want sharia law being used in ANY american courtroom and that includes Michigan - ALL the states.

First we must determine if it is being used. Otherwise this is a non-existent problem designed to single out Muslims. Why not ANY religious law? Why ONLY Islamic religious law?

You realize "Sharia" law is what governs the selling of Halal acceptable food? You realize Jewish religious law is what governs Kosher food? Those are two examples where religious law is used in order to make claims about certain foods - so that they meet the standards of certain religions. So we eliminate Sharia but keep Kosher?

Both Islamic, Christian and Jewish religious law are used within certain kinds of negotiations - for example monetary and business dealings, marriages, divorces. Typically the parties consent to negotiate under those rules but they always have recourse to state and federal law and in no way does religious law ever trump state law. So my question to you is should we only single out Islamic laws here or all of them? Should people be banned from it using Sharia-compliant banking systems if they want to?

We abide by our constitution. Not Sharia. If you want that? Go to the middle east. That's all we are saying! This is America! Our courtrooms shall use American Law period. NO SHARIA LAW.

We abide by our constitution. Yes.

So Christian religious law is ok then?

Like it or not our laws are based on Judeo-Christain values and tenets.
The majority of the population is of the Christian faith.
I see no problem here.

I don't either. Christians abide by the laws of the land. There isn't any conflict there that I can see. I am not advocating Christian religious law at all. Leave it as it is.