Seven in 10 Americans want alternatives to public schools

[Winco]

You and the person you quoted have no clue as to what Common Core is! If you did, you would know that there are no Common Core social studies standards! I taught it, so I think I would know.

You and I have often argued, I accept that and hold no grudges.

With that said, tell me about Common Core.

 

[Andylusion]

RealClear Opinion Research asked 2,014 registered voters several questions about educational options for their kids, and it’s clear they want more school choice.

Nearly seven in 10 registered voters told the pollster they support school choice in concept, while roughly the same percentage would prefer to send their child somewhere

“Once again, a new round of nationwide public polling in 2019 confirms that school choice is incredibly popular with voters in every category, especially a federal tax credit proposal like the Education Freedom Scholarships,” said John Schilling, president of American Federation of Children.

“This is a unifying issue among voters and policymakers should take action. The polling clearly shows that parents want more and better educational options for their children, and as we’ve seen in states like Florida and Arizona, they will become intensely passionate about candidates who support school choice.”

I wonder what it is they’re really saying. Is it the school or the curriculum? Is it what has been slipped into school books by Leftists and progressives?

C’mon you teachers out there, share your wisdom with us. What do you see that makes so many parents prefer private to public schools?

The popularity also transcended political parties, though Republicans were more strongly in support at 76 percent than Democrats at 64 percent. Sixty-six percent of respondents who identified as independents supported school choice.

When I grew up, we had classes on American History and Civics. We were taught to be proud of America and what our forefathers did to make this country great. Yes, a lot of dark times were glossed over but those could have been covered in the higher education years. Is is also that our schools are so dedicated to academics that the trades are being neglected?

Tell us.

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The problem is, they say that just until someone actually proposes alternatives.

Then the moment someone proposes allowing alternatives, the Teachers Unions which stand to lose millions in union dues from teachers outside the public system, instantly start a "It's an attack on schools" campaign, and support dies away.

These polls always show support for alternatives to the public school system, and then the moment someone proposes it, then the entire country goes nuts over it.

I highly doubt anything will happen, no matter how much demand there is.

Remember, most of the young generation are too stupid, and the older elite lift-wing is too power hungry, and control freaks, and the rest are just plain evil.

They don't want people having a real education where boys are actually boys, and girls are girls, and black history month doesn't take up time teaching math and English so people come out of high school with a 3rd grade reading level.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You and the person you quoted have no clue as to what Common Core is! If you did, you would know that there are no Common Core social studies standards! I taught it, so I think I would know.

You and I have often argued, I accept that and hold no grudges.

With that said, tell me about Common Core.

Common Core is a set of standards that tell what a student should be able to do and when. Most people confuse curriculums aligned with the standards as being Common Core but it is not. That's where you find the "weird" ways to work problems, none if which are actually required. People also erroneously claim evolution is required to be taught but Common Core has no science or social studies standards. It is only math and literacy.

That's a short summary of the general ignorance of the program. I taught it for 4 years with no problems because it was a good guideline.

 

[Winco]

You and the person you quoted have no clue as to what Common Core is! If you did, you would know that there are no Common Core social studies standards! I taught it, so I think I would know.

You and I have often argued, I accept that and hold no grudges.

With that said, tell me about Common Core.

Common Core is a set of standards that tell what a student should be able to do and when. Most people confuse curriculums aligned with the standards as being Common Core but it is not. That's where you find the "weird" ways to work problems, none if which are actually required. People also erroneously claim evolution is required to be taught but Common Core has no science or social studies standards. It is only math and literacy.

That's a short summary of the general ignorance of the program. I taught it for 4 years with no problems because it was a good guideline.

Good Answer.
I have stated MANY times that Common Core is a set of Standards, not a curriculum.
I get shot down continually by RWI, but I know what common core is.
I always tell students that there are multiple ways to solve problems, just show your work.
I get so tired of haters trying to tell me how CC is so bad, when they don't truly understand what CC is.

CC is in fact, just a set of standards.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

The problem with public education in the U.S. is that we haven't adapted to the 21st century. We are still using a 1950s education model in 2019 and there is no real incentive to change it because the status quo benefits from the current system.

 

[Natural Citizen]

I have stated MANY times that Common Core is a set of Standards, not a curriculum.
I get shot down continually by RWI, but I know what common core is.
I always tell students that there are multiple ways to solve problems, just show your work.
I get so tired of haters trying to tell me how CC is so bad, when they don't truly understand what CC is.

CC is in fact, just a set of standards.

It indeed is constructivist curricula. You're talking about investigative learning. I went to war with the school board over that stuff and eventually ended up sitting on the STEM board before simply removing my son from public school completely. I know precisely what you're talking about when you talk about multiple ways to solve problems.

Math is mainly where they end up hitting a brick wall when they reach High School. You simply can't replace the language of math.

Your thought on it makes for a great topic in itself, though. Just by the fact that you mentioned about ''multiple ways to solve problems, just show your work'' I can tell you have some experience with it, or at least a working knowledge of how investigative learning is applied in classrooms.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Anyway. I don't have a problem with public school, per se. Just get the DOE out of it. It needs to go. Education can and should be addressed at the local level. Community level, in fact.

 

[Natural Citizen]

That's a short summary of the general ignorance of the program. I taught it for 4 years with no problems because it was a good guideline.

In reality you were learning to apply it. You were being trained to apply it in the classroom with your own workbook. Right?

 

[sparky]

Anyway. I don't have a problem with public school, per se. Just get the DOE out of it. It needs to go. Education can and should be addressed at the local level. Community level, in fact.

One of the first things anyone getting involved finds out is how powerless that 'local level' really is NC

~S~

 

[Natural Citizen]

One of the first things anyone getting involved finds out is how powerless that 'local level' really is NC

~S~

Historically, yes. I agree. The problem is getting parents involved beyond just asking their kids if they did their homework. It can work, though, I've seen it. Just depends on the community itself. So, we get into demographics there.

I know what you mean, though.

My kid used to get annoyed with me. I never asked him if he did his homework. I was like, hey, lemme see your books. Couple days later I was on the horn. lol.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The problem with public education in the U.S. is that we haven't adapted to the 21st century. We are still using a 1950s education model in 2019 and there is no real incentive to change it because the status quo benefits from the current system.

What is the 21st century model? Why change what works? The students have changed, not the model.

You don't change your production methods in an auto factory because people start walking more.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Anyway. I don't have a problem with public school, per se. Just get the DOE out of it. It needs to go. Education can and should be addressed at the local level. Community level, in fact.

One of the first things anyone getting involved finds out is how powerless that 'local level' really is NC

~S~

Do you have an example or are you just spit balling bumper sticker slogans?

 

[sparky]

One of the first things anyone getting involved finds out is how powerless that 'local level' really is NC

~S~

Historically, yes. I agree. The problem is getting parents involved beyond just asking their kids if they did their homework. It can work, though, I've seen it. Just depends on the community itself. So, we get into demographics there.

I know what you mean, though.

My kid used to get annoyed with me. I never asked him if he did his homework. I was like, hey, lemme see your books. Couple days later I was on the horn. lol.

We've a never ending stream of PO'ed parents wanting to serve on the school board in our small town NC

They mean well, want what's best for the kids, etc

but quickly find they can't reinvent the wheel ....

~S~

 

[anynameyouwish]

The problem with public education in the U.S. is that we haven't adapted to the 21st century. We are still using a 1950s education model in 2019 and there is no real incentive to change it because the status quo benefits from the current system.

What is the 21st century model? Why change what works? The students have changed, not the model.

You don't change your production methods in an auto factory because people start walking more.

"You don't change your production methods in an auto factory because people start walking more"

and THAT is why production methods in auto factories are completely UNautomated (no robots, no computers, no machines) and every bit of your car is put together by human hands!

 

[Natural Citizen]

The problem with public education in the U.S. is that we haven't adapted to the 21st century. We are still using a 1950s education model in 2019 and there is no real incentive to change it because the status quo benefits from the current system.

What is the 21st century model? Why change what works? The students have changed, not the model.

You don't change your production methods in an auto factory because people start walking more.

He's likely talking about just teaching a kid how to use a calculator versus learning traditional mathematical language and whatnot. That's all well and good if they're gonna be sitting in a cubicle as a customer service rep telling people what their payment is gonna be. That's why those types of companies fund it. Of course, not everyone will do that in their lives.

 

[sparky]

Anyway. I don't have a problem with public school, per se. Just get the DOE out of it. It needs to go. Education can and should be addressed at the local level. Community level, in fact.

One of the first things anyone getting involved finds out is how powerless that 'local level' really is NC

~S~

Do you have an example or are you just spit balling bumper sticker slogans?

years and years of school board meetings , talking to school board members do count Admiral

my kids are grown and , quite thankfully , out

my biggest b*tch, the mental health communities infiltration and abuse of pharmaceuticals

~S~

 

[Natural Citizen]

We've a never ending stream of PO'ed parents wanting to serve on the school board in our small town NC

They mean well, want what's best for the kids, etc

but quickly find they can't reinvent the wheel ....

~S~

The one we went to war with ended up leaving town and serving in the Obama administration. Can't count the times I went back and forth with her. She was focused too much on 'black kids' versus process. True story, that's all she ever talked about. That was her response to everything....'but..but..black kids.'

I was always one of the first ones who always stood up at the parent assemblies and she always did that. That did turn off a lot of parents, they got kind of intimidated and were afraid of being called racists if they spoke up about their kids having a constant revolving door of substitute teachers versus having an actual science teacher or something.

Sadly, people have to be led. They won't stand up unless they're led to do so. They have to be shown that you can stand up without being intimidated by the higher ups in education administration.

 

[Gdjjr]

Sadly, people have to be led. They won't stand up unless they're led to do so.

I think that goes back to their education- it seems to me that IF there is ever a discussion on The Declaration of Independence it would involve the definition of independent- and Individual rights- neither of which forms co- dependency- so, we're not just combating the lack of education kids have forced on them, but their parents as well and quite likely their parents- these problems didn't just start lately- ANY *structured* environment is about conformity- that is a one size fits all fix for all that ails- however, one size never fits hardly anyone except the *tailor*'s imagination and desires- Common Core- what is Common? but "central planning"? Where in the constitution is that authority *granted*? Core: the central or most important part of something.
Really? Commonality is the most important part? To whom?


Socialist Fantasies in Education

Robert C. Pianta, the dean of the University of Virginia Curry School of Education and Human Development.

Pianta also takes on federal reform. He writes, “At the federal level, the most comprehensive education bill in a generation, 2002’s No Child Left Behind Act, ultimately emblematized this mistaken path….”

So, what is Pianta’s solution for the decades-long immigration crisis, including its vast array of failed reforms? Get ready. Drum roll. Pianta says that the solution is … more money! Yes, that’s right! All that has to happen is for government officials to levy even higher taxes on the American people and then flood the public-school system with large amounts of tax-funded monetary largess.

Voila! Better teachers! Better curricula! Better books! Just throw more money at the problem and finally — finally! — the decades-long education crisis will be over!

My question is: Why in the world didn’t anyone think of this before now? Maybe that too is a reflection of the manifest failure of public schooling.

 

[sparky]

At the federal level, the most comprehensive education bill in a generation, 2002’s No Child Left Behind Act, ultimately emblematized this mistaken path….”

Maybe what we really need is a 'no Gub'Mit Left Behind Act'

~S~

 

[Gdjjr]

Maybe what we really need is a 'no Gub'Mit Left Behind Act'

What we really need is a *mandatory* class for elected representative remedial reading act