serious question on core Jewish belief

ding said "YOU don't know what they were chosen for."

I don't know either, anyone that knows is lying to themselves and the world..

The Jewish folks are not chosen, the OT is their book, and they have Jesus who is a Jew. The Christians are worshipping a Jew, and is their best friend, who is invisible.

All the NT books are wrote by a Jew. We don't know who Luke was but I suspect he was a Jew.

Paul I think is Josephus. The NT is set of books for/to Gentiles to worship to the Jews.
Penny, dear. Luke was a greek person trained a bit in Medicine.. He wrote in
greek and there is no evidence that he knew hebrew or aramaic or anything about
Judaism or Jesus----never met him. Paul's family background was Greek---but it
seems historically accurate that his parents were greek converts to Judaism. No one knows
who "JOHN" , author of the Book of Revulsions, was. I believe that there are several
writings that made their way into the NT from persons using "JOHN" as a pen-name.
That a person with a Catholic school education is so clueless, does not surprise me.
They were all Jews who wrote the NT. Paul is a lot like Josephus, I therefore think Josephus is Paul.

Who is Luke, they had Jewish witch doctors as well.


I will tell you a secret. Don't tell anybody!

When Paul claimed that he went blind on the road to damascus and said that he had lost his sight and stumbled around acting like a blind man for a while and then presto alakazam he could suddenly see and said that he was cured and had had a vision where Jesus appointed him to be a disciple the other disciples knew he was pretending, an actor and lying fraud, an undercover agent of the enemy, because they all knew that the blindness that Jesus cured was one of perception not sight.

I won't tell -----there is a neuro-vascular condition which results in people "SEEING"
things that are not quite there ie the person CONFABULATES---. This condition
manifests as various forms of ANTON's syndrome also called "cortical blindness"
usually a result of damage to the blood circulation of the Occipital lobes of the
brain-----------ok----so Paul had a kinda TIA transient ischemic attack
 
ding said "YOU don't know what they were chosen for."

I don't know either, anyone that knows is lying to themselves and the world..

The Jewish folks are not chosen, the OT is their book, and they have Jesus who is a Jew. The Christians are worshipping a Jew, and is their best friend, who is invisible.

All the NT books are wrote by a Jew. We don't know who Luke was but I suspect he was a Jew.

Paul I think is Josephus. The NT is set of books for/to Gentiles to worship to the Jews.
Penny, dear. Luke was a greek person trained a bit in Medicine.. He wrote in
greek and there is no evidence that he knew hebrew or aramaic or anything about
Judaism or Jesus----never met him. Paul's family background was Greek---but it
seems historically accurate that his parents were greek converts to Judaism. No one knows
who "JOHN" , author of the Book of Revulsions, was. I believe that there are several
writings that made their way into the NT from persons using "JOHN" as a pen-name.
That a person with a Catholic school education is so clueless, does not surprise me.
They were all Jews who wrote the NT. Paul is a lot like Josephus, I therefore think Josephus is Paul.

Who is Luke, they had Jewish witch doctors as well.

sheesh, penny, the nuns cheated you. Luke was a GREEK ---of the pagan variety.
His dad was sorta a freed slave of a roman. No jews in his family. -----he got into
Jesus as an adult all on his own and into the study of medicine.
Back then Judaism was popular amongst Greeks---
and conversion was not rare. Paul's parents were converts. Josephus was a
Cohen and moved with the rebels against Rome and was captured and enslaved
by the Romans------some guy named FLAVIUS got him and was impressed with
his SCHOLARLY talents. The Romans were very impressed with GREEK SCHOLARSHIP
and anyone who could read and write in GREEK as did Josephus
Paul and Josephus were both Romans citizens and Jews. Amazing how they are so alike, educated , from rich parents, both ship wrecked and know everything about the history of Jews.
 
The lefty Jew-haters are out in force on this thread. This is why the DemoKKKrats have two open Holocaust deniers representing them in congress.
Not every Democrat is an unbeliever in Christianity, and not every , hardly none I dare say, believes in Christianity.
 
ding said "YOU don't know what they were chosen for."

I don't know either, anyone that knows is lying to themselves and the world..

The Jewish folks are not chosen, the OT is their book, and they have Jesus who is a Jew. The Christians are worshipping a Jew, and is their best friend, who is invisible.

All the NT books are wrote by a Jew. We don't know who Luke was but I suspect he was a Jew.

Paul I think is Josephus. The NT is set of books for/to Gentiles to worship to the Jews.
Penny, dear. Luke was a greek person trained a bit in Medicine.. He wrote in
greek and there is no evidence that he knew hebrew or aramaic or anything about
Judaism or Jesus----never met him. Paul's family background was Greek---but it
seems historically accurate that his parents were greek converts to Judaism. No one knows
who "JOHN" , author of the Book of Revulsions, was. I believe that there are several
writings that made their way into the NT from persons using "JOHN" as a pen-name.
That a person with a Catholic school education is so clueless, does not surprise me.
They were all Jews who wrote the NT. Paul is a lot like Josephus, I therefore think Josephus is Paul.

Who is Luke, they had Jewish witch doctors as well.

sheesh, penny, the nuns cheated you. Luke was a GREEK ---of the pagan variety.
His dad was sorta a freed slave of a roman. No jews in his family. -----he got into
Jesus as an adult all on his own and into the study of medicine.
Back then Judaism was popular amongst Greeks---
and conversion was not rare. Paul's parents were converts. Josephus was a
Cohen and moved with the rebels against Rome and was captured and enslaved
by the Romans------some guy named FLAVIUS got him and was impressed with
his SCHOLARLY talents. The Romans were very impressed with GREEK SCHOLARSHIP
and anyone who could read and write in GREEK as did Josephus
Paul and Josephus were both Romans citizens and Jews. Amazing how they are so alike, educated , from rich parents, both ship wrecked and know everything about the history of Jews.
the nuns told you that Paul and Josephus were SHIPWRECKED. Did they tell you
that Josephus could read and write in Latin?-------was he Baptized into "THE CHURCH"
sometime ------as a corpse?
 
ding said "YOU don't know what they were chosen for."

I don't know either, anyone that knows is lying to themselves and the world..

The Jewish folks are not chosen, the OT is their book, and they have Jesus who is a Jew. The Christians are worshipping a Jew, and is their best friend, who is invisible.

All the NT books are wrote by a Jew. We don't know who Luke was but I suspect he was a Jew.

Paul I think is Josephus. The NT is set of books for/to Gentiles to worship to the Jews.
Penny, dear. Luke was a greek person trained a bit in Medicine.. He wrote in
greek and there is no evidence that he knew hebrew or aramaic or anything about
Judaism or Jesus----never met him. Paul's family background was Greek---but it
seems historically accurate that his parents were greek converts to Judaism. No one knows
who "JOHN" , author of the Book of Revulsions, was. I believe that there are several
writings that made their way into the NT from persons using "JOHN" as a pen-name.
That a person with a Catholic school education is so clueless, does not surprise me.
They were all Jews who wrote the NT. Paul is a lot like Josephus, I therefore think Josephus is Paul.

Who is Luke, they had Jewish witch doctors as well.


I will tell you a secret. Don't tell anybody!

When Paul claimed that he went blind on the road to damascus and said that he had lost his sight and stumbled around acting like a blind man for a while and then presto alakazam he could suddenly see and said that he was cured and had had a vision where Jesus appointed him to be a disciple the other disciples knew he was pretending, an actor and lying fraud, an undercover agent of the enemy, because they all knew that the blindness that Jesus cured was one of perception not sight.

I won't tell -----there is a neuro-vascular condition which results in people "SEEING"
things that are not quite there ie the person CONFABULATES---. This condition
manifests as various forms of ANTON's syndrome also called "cortical blindness"
usually a result of damage to the blood circulation of the Occipital lobes of the
brain-----------ok----so Paul had a kinda TIA transient ischemic attack
Are you denying the existence of ANTON's syndrome, penny dear?
 
"We’ve been seeing that term “particularism” quite often this month. At its root, it refers to the core Jewish belief that the Creator of the Universe also has a special and unique relationship with His chosen people." -Mosaic Magazine

Q1 - How could a universal God have a chosen people? If God has a chosen people, He isn't universal. If universal, can't have a chosen people because He stands in a different relationship to some, i.e., is a different kind of God.

Q2 - How is chosen-people-ism different from white supremacy?
The term "Chosen" is being defined by your selective use and subjective mind, but is it the context of the meaning in the Biblical sense?

Chosen to keep the laws and instructions, reflect and manifest his Essence and memory for it's time and place to be revealed.

It would be like you having a simple project with simple directions instruction panthlet, but the person you hire to put it together chucks the instructions, writes his own panthlet that says he the worker no longer has to obey the rules of wearing safety goggles and gloves that the original panthlet warned. Then they have the nerve to complain to you the boss (who knows the outcome of not following safety measures), when the rule breaker becomes blind and has his fingertips amputated for not heeding the warning and instructions. Would you not designate someone to supervise and instruct how to follow the shop rules for sake of safety not restriction or punishment.
CHOSEN workers (servants not served) to do your good deeds, preferebly ones who obey and trusts the instructions?
Leaving aside the anthropomorphic quality of your example, my objection remains that such a God, who has an "owner-supervisor" relationship with some humans and an "owner-supervised" relationship with the others cannot, by definition, be a universal God. He is not the same God for all people. He is, if I may coin a term, a "biversal" God. But since all humans share the same reality, such a God can't be real.
Or it could be that your assumption that such a God, who has an "owner-supervisor" relationship with some humans and an "owner-supervised" relationship with the others... is wrong.

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That was the formulation as presented by one of your cohorts on this thread, to which I was responding. I don't, in fact, believe that it has any basis in reality.
I have cohorts? Who are my cohorts? Why didn't someone tell me I have cohorts?

Putting that aside, it sounds like you used an argument you don't believe to try to justify an argument you do believe? Did I get that right?

If so, you literally just invalidated your own argument because you don't believe in the argument you are making.

Not to mention you can't even begin to answer this question until you actually know what they were chosen for. Would you like for me to help you with that?
"Not to mention you can't even begin to answer this question until you actually know what they were chosen for. Would you like for me to help you with that?"

Thanks, but I think I've got a handle on it. Nothing you have said has in the slightest refuted the argument implied in my question. No real God can be the One Universal God while simultaneously having a distinct relationship with a subset of humans. It is a logical impossibility unless one is willing to go to the absurd and repugnant extreme of simply declaring some humans to be not humans--an extreme from which, in fact, some of your more vile rabbis haven't recoiled in order to preserve Jewish supremacy, er, separatism.
I don't believe you do have a good handle on it at all. Again... it doesn't make sense to YOU because YOU don't know what they were chosen for.

AND what you are claiming doesn't make sense to me because I do know what they were chosen for.
Do you claim your God is universal? Creator of the universe? Indivisibly present One in all time and all space?
It's not a claim. God is.

Here's what Huston Smith has to say on this subject:

The idea that a universal god decided that the divine nature should be uniquely and incomparably disclosed to a single people is among the most difficult notions to take seriously in the entire study of religion.​
The Jews did not see themselves as singled out for privileges. They were chosen to serve, and to suffer the trials that service would often exact.​
Isaiah's doctrine of vicarious suffering meant that the Jews were elected to shoulder a suffering that would otherwise have been distributed more widely.​
It is the doctrine that God's doings can focus like a burning glass on particular times, places, and peoples - in the interest, to be sure, of intentions that embrace human beings universally.​
"It is the doctrine that God's doings can focus like a burning glass on particular times, places, and peoples - in the interest, to be sure, of intentions that embrace human beings universally."

God, your "essence", doesn't "focus". Humans focus. God doesn't have an "interest". Humans have "interests." God doesn't have "intentions" Humans have "intentions." You want to claim God is universal and a non-human essence, and then give "Him" human qualities so that you comprehend it and use this contradictory impossible phantasmagorical dream creature to justify your primitive tribal claim to specialness--a conceit the rest of humanity long ago tossed in the dustbin of ignorance and superstition along with throwing virgins in volcanoes. Give it up man. Your religion is nonsense and a threat to your fellow man. Give it up, relegate those blood-thirsty hateful tyrants of the rabbinate to the thrash heap where they belong. Stop being an embarrassment to the rest of humanity. Free yourself.
 
ding said "YOU don't know what they were chosen for."

I don't know either, anyone that knows is lying to themselves and the world..

The Jewish folks are not chosen, the OT is their book, and they have Jesus who is a Jew. The Christians are worshipping a Jew, and is their best friend, who is invisible.

All the NT books are wrote by a Jew. We don't know who Luke was but I suspect he was a Jew.

Paul I think is Josephus. The NT is set of books for/to Gentiles to worship to the Jews.
Penny, dear. Luke was a greek person trained a bit in Medicine.. He wrote in
greek and there is no evidence that he knew hebrew or aramaic or anything about
Judaism or Jesus----never met him. Paul's family background was Greek---but it
seems historically accurate that his parents were greek converts to Judaism. No one knows
who "JOHN" , author of the Book of Revulsions, was. I believe that there are several
writings that made their way into the NT from persons using "JOHN" as a pen-name.
That a person with a Catholic school education is so clueless, does not surprise me.
They were all Jews who wrote the NT. Paul is a lot like Josephus, I therefore think Josephus is Paul.

Who is Luke, they had Jewish witch doctors as well.


I will tell you a secret. Don't tell anybody!

When Paul claimed that he went blind on the road to damascus and said that he had lost his sight and stumbled around acting like a blind man for a while and then presto alakazam he could suddenly see and said that he was cured and had had a vision where Jesus appointed him to be a disciple the other disciples knew he was pretending, an actor and lying fraud, an undercover agent of the enemy, because they all knew that the blindness that Jesus cured was one of perception not sight.

I won't tell -----there is a neuro-vascular condition which results in people "SEEING"
things that are not quite there ie the person CONFABULATES---. This condition
manifests as various forms of ANTON's syndrome also called "cortical blindness"
usually a result of damage to the blood circulation of the Occipital lobes of the
brain-----------ok----so Paul had a kinda TIA transient ischemic attack


Nonsense. He was a rabid persecutor of the followers of Jesus and contradicted the teachings of Jesus himself in his writings specifically that Jesus made the law obsolete and he claimed to be God which accomplished two things. The gentiles would be cursed and the Jewish people would dismiss Jesus out of hand and never accept him as the messiah for as long as these lies persisted.

He was on a mission to pervert and derail the momentum of early Christianity by pretending to speak for Jesus after claiming a miracle and pretending to see after pretending to go blind.

Occam's razor dear.
 
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The lefty Jew-haters are out in force on this thread. This is why the DemoKKKrats have two open Holocaust deniers representing them in congress.
Not every Democrat is an unbeliever in Christianity, and not every , hardly none I dare say, believes in Christianity.

What does that have to do with the fact that so many of your fellow DemoKKKrats hate Jews and deny the Holocaust?
 
ding said "YOU don't know what they were chosen for."

I don't know either, anyone that knows is lying to themselves and the world..

The Jewish folks are not chosen, the OT is their book, and they have Jesus who is a Jew. The Christians are worshipping a Jew, and is their best friend, who is invisible.

All the NT books are wrote by a Jew. We don't know who Luke was but I suspect he was a Jew.

Paul I think is Josephus. The NT is set of books for/to Gentiles to worship to the Jews.
Penny, dear. Luke was a greek person trained a bit in Medicine.. He wrote in
greek and there is no evidence that he knew hebrew or aramaic or anything about
Judaism or Jesus----never met him. Paul's family background was Greek---but it
seems historically accurate that his parents were greek converts to Judaism. No one knows
who "JOHN" , author of the Book of Revulsions, was. I believe that there are several
writings that made their way into the NT from persons using "JOHN" as a pen-name.
That a person with a Catholic school education is so clueless, does not surprise me.
They were all Jews who wrote the NT. Paul is a lot like Josephus, I therefore think Josephus is Paul.

Who is Luke, they had Jewish witch doctors as well.


I will tell you a secret. Don't tell anybody!

When Paul claimed that he went blind on the road to damascus and said that he had lost his sight and stumbled around acting like a blind man for a while and then presto alakazam he could suddenly see and said that he was cured and had had a vision where Jesus appointed him to be a disciple the other disciples knew he was pretending, an actor and lying fraud, an undercover agent of the enemy, because they all knew that the blindness that Jesus cured was one of perception not sight.

I won't tell -----there is a neuro-vascular condition which results in people "SEEING"
things that are not quite there ie the person CONFABULATES---. This condition
manifests as various forms of ANTON's syndrome also called "cortical blindness"
usually a result of damage to the blood circulation of the Occipital lobes of the
brain-----------ok----so Paul had a kinda TIA transient ischemic attack


Nonsense. He was a rabid persecutor of the followers of Jesus and contradicted the teachings of Jesus himself in his writings specifically that Jesus claimed that the law was obsolete and he claimed to be God which accomplished two things. The gentiles would be cursed and the Jewish people would never accept Jesus as the messiah for as long as these lies persisted.

He was on a mission to pervert early Christianity by pretending to speak for Jesus and claimed a miracle by pretending to see after pretending to go blind.

Occam's razor dear.
Oh-----but lots of people and DA CHURCH OF ROME-----depend on Paul. ----
Personally, I have nothing against him------
 
The Torah is abundantly clear that being God's "Chosen People" is not the basis of special favors or immunity from the consequences on their actions. They were punished time after time, even at times directly by g-d, which clearly demonstrates that there is no great benefit to being the Chosen People.

God chose the Jews to be the vehicle by which the divine message is conveyed to mankind, through the Torah.

If they were chosen because of their "supremacy," it was merely their demonstrated talent for communication, which continues to this day. Unfortunately, many if not most of the remaining "sons of Abraham" have forgotten the Message that they were commissioned to convey.


Scripture makes it clear that the Jewish people were not chosen for any merit of their own.
They were chosen for their propensity to pass down traditions orally.

Thats just dumb. Damn.

Every nation passed down their traditions orally.

The specific reason stated was that God loved them and took pity on them and so gave them clear instructions about how to live a peaceful prosperous and abundant life by standing guard over the sanctity of their own minds in a wilderness full of other nations that reflected the image and likeness of wild animals, vile and loathsome beasts and birds..
No. Not every nation did. There's been nothing like this before.



LOL.... I suggest that you go back to the drawing board before you stoop lower and embarrass yourself further than you already have before.

You may be an actor and lying fraud... but you suck at it.

Perhaps you should find another hobby....Can you twerk? Tap dance for nickels? You could make millions!
Can you point to anything which is comparable?

From the beginning every nation passed down their traditions orally.

Damn. You are a very stupid man.

Look it up yourself you lazy twit.
Show me where that history was captured like the Jews captured theirs.

There is nothing like it. Show me something that is comparable.


First you say that the reason the Jewish people were chosen was because they passed down their traditions orally. I told you that all nations did so ever since people could talk which is the truth. Now you switched the question to show me another nation that captured their history like the Jewish people, not 'the Jews' , captured theirs.

Greek mythology. Half beast half human creatures, the realm of the Gods, children of the gods, the trials and tribulations of humans, moral teachings derived from hard learned lessons of their past, etc.

There's one. It would be much easier if you just shut up and admitted you are wrong.
It's the same argument. Ancient history was passed down orally. Only the Jews were successful in passing it down. All others failed.
wrong again----the people of the Indus valley did it ----Sanskrit scriptural writings---
of course----over there in merry old----they still had BEOWULF and CANTEBURY TALES
And you think that's comparable to the answers to the origin questions, history, moral code, laws, etc?
"And you think that's comparable to the answers to the origin questions, history, moral code, laws, etc?"

Well, I will say, no other people produced such a huge incoherent written mess as the Judeans did--and certainly nothing that commanded the genocide of everyone else. Nor did anyone attempt to control every aspect of their own people's lives, nor give useless scribblers the right to decide life and death, nor justify child sacrifice in the Law
 
ding said "YOU don't know what they were chosen for."

I don't know either, anyone that knows is lying to themselves and the world..

The Jewish folks are not chosen, the OT is their book, and they have Jesus who is a Jew. The Christians are worshipping a Jew, and is their best friend, who is invisible.

All the NT books are wrote by a Jew. We don't know who Luke was but I suspect he was a Jew.

Paul I think is Josephus. The NT is set of books for/to Gentiles to worship to the Jews.
Penny, dear. Luke was a greek person trained a bit in Medicine.. He wrote in
greek and there is no evidence that he knew hebrew or aramaic or anything about
Judaism or Jesus----never met him. Paul's family background was Greek---but it
seems historically accurate that his parents were greek converts to Judaism. No one knows
who "JOHN" , author of the Book of Revulsions, was. I believe that there are several
writings that made their way into the NT from persons using "JOHN" as a pen-name.
That a person with a Catholic school education is so clueless, does not surprise me.
They were all Jews who wrote the NT. Paul is a lot like Josephus, I therefore think Josephus is Paul.

Who is Luke, they had Jewish witch doctors as well.


I will tell you a secret. Don't tell anybody!

When Paul claimed that he went blind on the road to damascus and said that he had lost his sight and stumbled around acting like a blind man for a while and then presto alakazam he could suddenly see and said that he was cured and had had a vision where Jesus appointed him to be a disciple the other disciples knew he was pretending, an actor and lying fraud, an undercover agent of the enemy, because they all knew that the blindness that Jesus cured was one of perception not sight.

I won't tell -----there is a neuro-vascular condition which results in people "SEEING"
things that are not quite there ie the person CONFABULATES---. This condition
manifests as various forms of ANTON's syndrome also called "cortical blindness"
usually a result of damage to the blood circulation of the Occipital lobes of the
brain-----------ok----so Paul had a kinda TIA transient ischemic attack


Nonsense. He was a rabid persecutor of the followers of Jesus and contradicted the teachings of Jesus himself in his writings specifically that Jesus claimed that the law was obsolete and he claimed to be God which accomplished two things. The gentiles would be cursed and the Jewish people would never accept Jesus as the messiah for as long as these lies persisted.

He was on a mission to pervert early Christianity by pretending to speak for Jesus and claimed a miracle by pretending to see after pretending to go blind.

Occam's razor dear.
Oh-----but lots of people and DA CHURCH OF ROME-----depend on Paul. ----
Personally, I have nothing against him------


Now you know why da church and all its captives are so screwed up....
 
ding said "YOU don't know what they were chosen for."

I don't know either, anyone that knows is lying to themselves and the world..

The Jewish folks are not chosen, the OT is their book, and they have Jesus who is a Jew. The Christians are worshipping a Jew, and is their best friend, who is invisible.

All the NT books are wrote by a Jew. We don't know who Luke was but I suspect he was a Jew.

Paul I think is Josephus. The NT is set of books for/to Gentiles to worship to the Jews.
Penny, dear. Luke was a greek person trained a bit in Medicine.. He wrote in
greek and there is no evidence that he knew hebrew or aramaic or anything about
Judaism or Jesus----never met him. Paul's family background was Greek---but it
seems historically accurate that his parents were greek converts to Judaism. No one knows
who "JOHN" , author of the Book of Revulsions, was. I believe that there are several
writings that made their way into the NT from persons using "JOHN" as a pen-name.
That a person with a Catholic school education is so clueless, does not surprise me.
They were all Jews who wrote the NT. Paul is a lot like Josephus, I therefore think Josephus is Paul.

Who is Luke, they had Jewish witch doctors as well.


I will tell you a secret. Don't tell anybody!

When Paul claimed that he went blind on the road to damascus and said that he had lost his sight and stumbled around acting like a blind man for a while and then presto alakazam he could suddenly see and said that he was cured and had had a vision where Jesus appointed him to be a disciple the other disciples knew he was pretending, an actor and lying fraud, an undercover agent of the enemy, because they all knew that the blindness that Jesus cured was one of perception not sight.

I won't tell -----there is a neuro-vascular condition which results in people "SEEING"
things that are not quite there ie the person CONFABULATES---. This condition
manifests as various forms of ANTON's syndrome also called "cortical blindness"
usually a result of damage to the blood circulation of the Occipital lobes of the
brain-----------ok----so Paul had a kinda TIA transient ischemic attack


Nonsense. He was a rabid persecutor of the followers of Jesus and contradicted the teachings of Jesus himself in his writings specifically that Jesus claimed that the law was obsolete and he claimed to be God which accomplished two things. The gentiles would be cursed and the Jewish people would never accept Jesus as the messiah for as long as these lies persisted.

He was on a mission to pervert early Christianity by pretending to speak for Jesus and claimed a miracle by pretending to see after pretending to go blind.

Occam's razor dear.
Oh-----but lots of people and DA CHURCH OF ROME-----depend on Paul. ----
Personally, I have nothing against him------


Now you know why da church and all its captives are so screwed up....
not because of Paul-----Constantine did it. Does anyone REALLY have any of
Paul's original writings?
 
ding said "YOU don't know what they were chosen for."

I don't know either, anyone that knows is lying to themselves and the world..

The Jewish folks are not chosen, the OT is their book, and they have Jesus who is a Jew. The Christians are worshipping a Jew, and is their best friend, who is invisible.

All the NT books are wrote by a Jew. We don't know who Luke was but I suspect he was a Jew.

Paul I think is Josephus. The NT is set of books for/to Gentiles to worship to the Jews.
Penny, dear. Luke was a greek person trained a bit in Medicine.. He wrote in
greek and there is no evidence that he knew hebrew or aramaic or anything about
Judaism or Jesus----never met him. Paul's family background was Greek---but it
seems historically accurate that his parents were greek converts to Judaism. No one knows
who "JOHN" , author of the Book of Revulsions, was. I believe that there are several
writings that made their way into the NT from persons using "JOHN" as a pen-name.
That a person with a Catholic school education is so clueless, does not surprise me.
They were all Jews who wrote the NT. Paul is a lot like Josephus, I therefore think Josephus is Paul.

Who is Luke, they had Jewish witch doctors as well.


I will tell you a secret. Don't tell anybody!

When Paul claimed that he went blind on the road to damascus and said that he had lost his sight and stumbled around acting like a blind man for a while and then presto alakazam he could suddenly see and said that he was cured and had had a vision where Jesus appointed him to be a disciple the other disciples knew he was pretending, an actor and lying fraud, an undercover agent of the enemy, because they all knew that the blindness that Jesus cured was one of perception not sight.

I won't tell -----there is a neuro-vascular condition which results in people "SEEING"
things that are not quite there ie the person CONFABULATES---. This condition
manifests as various forms of ANTON's syndrome also called "cortical blindness"
usually a result of damage to the blood circulation of the Occipital lobes of the
brain-----------ok----so Paul had a kinda TIA transient ischemic attack


Nonsense. He was a rabid persecutor of the followers of Jesus and contradicted the teachings of Jesus himself in his writings specifically that Jesus claimed that the law was obsolete and he claimed to be God which accomplished two things. The gentiles would be cursed and the Jewish people would never accept Jesus as the messiah for as long as these lies persisted.

He was on a mission to pervert early Christianity by pretending to speak for Jesus and claimed a miracle by pretending to see after pretending to go blind.

Occam's razor dear.
Oh-----but lots of people and DA CHURCH OF ROME-----depend on Paul. ----
Personally, I have nothing against him------


Now you know why da church and all its captives are so screwed up....
not because of Paul-----Constantine did it. Does anyone REALLY have any of
Paul's original writings?
Constantine was converted on his deathbed. He did nothing.

It was the bishop of rome in collusion with a dead caesar who gave him power and authority to make himself the vicar of Christ, da pope, built his church on a hill, vaticanus, anal oracle, and its teaching about an edible mangod are just farts from the vaticanus based mostly on the writings of Paul .

BTW Many of Pauls letters were written while he was in jail. Do you think that the roman authorities would not have redacted and altered his writings before they were sent out to be pro-roman and anti-semitic?

Seriously, " a good christian should submit to all human civil authorities including the emperor" was written by Paul when Nero was Caesar,

Doesn't that stink to high heaven?
 
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These threads should be in humor.
Serious opining about what the "Creator Of All And Everything" would be limited to because one of the creations, a human, thinks and reasons and takes that as authority to determine what the "Only One" must be like.
Is that not funny?
 
ding said "YOU don't know what they were chosen for."

I don't know either, anyone that knows is lying to themselves and the world..

The Jewish folks are not chosen, the OT is their book, and they have Jesus who is a Jew. The Christians are worshipping a Jew, and is their best friend, who is invisible.

All the NT books are wrote by a Jew. We don't know who Luke was but I suspect he was a Jew.

Paul I think is Josephus. The NT is set of books for/to Gentiles to worship to the Jews.
Penny, dear. Luke was a greek person trained a bit in Medicine.. He wrote in
greek and there is no evidence that he knew hebrew or aramaic or anything about
Judaism or Jesus----never met him. Paul's family background was Greek---but it
seems historically accurate that his parents were greek converts to Judaism. No one knows
who "JOHN" , author of the Book of Revulsions, was. I believe that there are several
writings that made their way into the NT from persons using "JOHN" as a pen-name.
That a person with a Catholic school education is so clueless, does not surprise me.
They were all Jews who wrote the NT. Paul is a lot like Josephus, I therefore think Josephus is Paul.

Who is Luke, they had Jewish witch doctors as well.


I will tell you a secret. Don't tell anybody!

When Paul claimed that he went blind on the road to damascus and said that he had lost his sight and stumbled around acting like a blind man for a while and then presto alakazam he could suddenly see and said that he was cured and had had a vision where Jesus appointed him to be a disciple the other disciples knew he was pretending, an actor and lying fraud, an undercover agent of the enemy, because they all knew that the blindness that Jesus cured was one of perception not sight.

I won't tell -----there is a neuro-vascular condition which results in people "SEEING"
things that are not quite there ie the person CONFABULATES---. This condition
manifests as various forms of ANTON's syndrome also called "cortical blindness"
usually a result of damage to the blood circulation of the Occipital lobes of the
brain-----------ok----so Paul had a kinda TIA transient ischemic attack


Nonsense. He was a rabid persecutor of the followers of Jesus and contradicted the teachings of Jesus himself in his writings specifically that Jesus claimed that the law was obsolete and he claimed to be God which accomplished two things. The gentiles would be cursed and the Jewish people would never accept Jesus as the messiah for as long as these lies persisted.

He was on a mission to pervert early Christianity by pretending to speak for Jesus and claimed a miracle by pretending to see after pretending to go blind.

Occam's razor dear.
Oh-----but lots of people and DA CHURCH OF ROME-----depend on Paul. ----
Personally, I have nothing against him------


Now you know why da church and all its captives are so screwed up....
not because of Paul-----Constantine did it. Does anyone REALLY have any of
Paul's original writings?
Constantine was converted on his deathbed. He did nothing.

It was the bishop of rome who made himself the vicar of Christ, da pope, based mostly on the writings of Paul.

Constantine did lots-----he influenced the original islamo nazi JUSTIN. Does ANYONE
actually have anything actually WRITTEN by Paul?
 
ding said "YOU don't know what they were chosen for."

I don't know either, anyone that knows is lying to themselves and the world..

The Jewish folks are not chosen, the OT is their book, and they have Jesus who is a Jew. The Christians are worshipping a Jew, and is their best friend, who is invisible.

All the NT books are wrote by a Jew. We don't know who Luke was but I suspect he was a Jew.

Paul I think is Josephus. The NT is set of books for/to Gentiles to worship to the Jews.
Penny, dear. Luke was a greek person trained a bit in Medicine.. He wrote in
greek and there is no evidence that he knew hebrew or aramaic or anything about
Judaism or Jesus----never met him. Paul's family background was Greek---but it
seems historically accurate that his parents were greek converts to Judaism. No one knows
who "JOHN" , author of the Book of Revulsions, was. I believe that there are several
writings that made their way into the NT from persons using "JOHN" as a pen-name.
That a person with a Catholic school education is so clueless, does not surprise me.
They were all Jews who wrote the NT. Paul is a lot like Josephus, I therefore think Josephus is Paul.

Who is Luke, they had Jewish witch doctors as well.


I will tell you a secret. Don't tell anybody!

When Paul claimed that he went blind on the road to damascus and said that he had lost his sight and stumbled around acting like a blind man for a while and then presto alakazam he could suddenly see and said that he was cured and had had a vision where Jesus appointed him to be a disciple the other disciples knew he was pretending, an actor and lying fraud, an undercover agent of the enemy, because they all knew that the blindness that Jesus cured was one of perception not sight.

I won't tell -----there is a neuro-vascular condition which results in people "SEEING"
things that are not quite there ie the person CONFABULATES---. This condition
manifests as various forms of ANTON's syndrome also called "cortical blindness"
usually a result of damage to the blood circulation of the Occipital lobes of the
brain-----------ok----so Paul had a kinda TIA transient ischemic attack


Nonsense. He was a rabid persecutor of the followers of Jesus and contradicted the teachings of Jesus himself in his writings specifically that Jesus claimed that the law was obsolete and he claimed to be God which accomplished two things. The gentiles would be cursed and the Jewish people would never accept Jesus as the messiah for as long as these lies persisted.

He was on a mission to pervert early Christianity by pretending to speak for Jesus and claimed a miracle by pretending to see after pretending to go blind.

Occam's razor dear.
Oh-----but lots of people and DA CHURCH OF ROME-----depend on Paul. ----
Personally, I have nothing against him------


Now you know why da church and all its captives are so screwed up....
not because of Paul-----Constantine did it. Does anyone REALLY have any of
Paul's original writings?
If writings were what is important, wouldn't Jesus have left them?
 
ding said "YOU don't know what they were chosen for."

I don't know either, anyone that knows is lying to themselves and the world..

The Jewish folks are not chosen, the OT is their book, and they have Jesus who is a Jew. The Christians are worshipping a Jew, and is their best friend, who is invisible.

All the NT books are wrote by a Jew. We don't know who Luke was but I suspect he was a Jew.

Paul I think is Josephus. The NT is set of books for/to Gentiles to worship to the Jews.
Penny, dear. Luke was a greek person trained a bit in Medicine.. He wrote in
greek and there is no evidence that he knew hebrew or aramaic or anything about
Judaism or Jesus----never met him. Paul's family background was Greek---but it
seems historically accurate that his parents were greek converts to Judaism. No one knows
who "JOHN" , author of the Book of Revulsions, was. I believe that there are several
writings that made their way into the NT from persons using "JOHN" as a pen-name.
That a person with a Catholic school education is so clueless, does not surprise me.
They were all Jews who wrote the NT. Paul is a lot like Josephus, I therefore think Josephus is Paul.

Who is Luke, they had Jewish witch doctors as well.


I will tell you a secret. Don't tell anybody!

When Paul claimed that he went blind on the road to damascus and said that he had lost his sight and stumbled around acting like a blind man for a while and then presto alakazam he could suddenly see and said that he was cured and had had a vision where Jesus appointed him to be a disciple the other disciples knew he was pretending, an actor and lying fraud, an undercover agent of the enemy, because they all knew that the blindness that Jesus cured was one of perception not sight.

I won't tell -----there is a neuro-vascular condition which results in people "SEEING"
things that are not quite there ie the person CONFABULATES---. This condition
manifests as various forms of ANTON's syndrome also called "cortical blindness"
usually a result of damage to the blood circulation of the Occipital lobes of the
brain-----------ok----so Paul had a kinda TIA transient ischemic attack


Nonsense. He was a rabid persecutor of the followers of Jesus and contradicted the teachings of Jesus himself in his writings specifically that Jesus claimed that the law was obsolete and he claimed to be God which accomplished two things. The gentiles would be cursed and the Jewish people would never accept Jesus as the messiah for as long as these lies persisted.

He was on a mission to pervert early Christianity by pretending to speak for Jesus and claimed a miracle by pretending to see after pretending to go blind.

Occam's razor dear.
Oh-----but lots of people and DA CHURCH OF ROME-----depend on Paul. ----
Personally, I have nothing against him------


Now you know why da church and all its captives are so screwed up....
not because of Paul-----Constantine did it. Does anyone REALLY have any of
Paul's original writings?
If writings were what is important, wouldn't Jesus have left them?
Maybe he did-------seems very likely that he was LITERATE. Lots of writings
get lost.
 
ding said "YOU don't know what they were chosen for."

I don't know either, anyone that knows is lying to themselves and the world..

The Jewish folks are not chosen, the OT is their book, and they have Jesus who is a Jew. The Christians are worshipping a Jew, and is their best friend, who is invisible.

All the NT books are wrote by a Jew. We don't know who Luke was but I suspect he was a Jew.

Paul I think is Josephus. The NT is set of books for/to Gentiles to worship to the Jews.
Penny, dear. Luke was a greek person trained a bit in Medicine.. He wrote in
greek and there is no evidence that he knew hebrew or aramaic or anything about
Judaism or Jesus----never met him. Paul's family background was Greek---but it
seems historically accurate that his parents were greek converts to Judaism. No one knows
who "JOHN" , author of the Book of Revulsions, was. I believe that there are several
writings that made their way into the NT from persons using "JOHN" as a pen-name.
That a person with a Catholic school education is so clueless, does not surprise me.
They were all Jews who wrote the NT. Paul is a lot like Josephus, I therefore think Josephus is Paul.

Who is Luke, they had Jewish witch doctors as well.


I will tell you a secret. Don't tell anybody!

When Paul claimed that he went blind on the road to damascus and said that he had lost his sight and stumbled around acting like a blind man for a while and then presto alakazam he could suddenly see and said that he was cured and had had a vision where Jesus appointed him to be a disciple the other disciples knew he was pretending, an actor and lying fraud, an undercover agent of the enemy, because they all knew that the blindness that Jesus cured was one of perception not sight.

I won't tell -----there is a neuro-vascular condition which results in people "SEEING"
things that are not quite there ie the person CONFABULATES---. This condition
manifests as various forms of ANTON's syndrome also called "cortical blindness"
usually a result of damage to the blood circulation of the Occipital lobes of the
brain-----------ok----so Paul had a kinda TIA transient ischemic attack


Nonsense. He was a rabid persecutor of the followers of Jesus and contradicted the teachings of Jesus himself in his writings specifically that Jesus claimed that the law was obsolete and he claimed to be God which accomplished two things. The gentiles would be cursed and the Jewish people would never accept Jesus as the messiah for as long as these lies persisted.

He was on a mission to pervert early Christianity by pretending to speak for Jesus and claimed a miracle by pretending to see after pretending to go blind.

Occam's razor dear.
Oh-----but lots of people and DA CHURCH OF ROME-----depend on Paul. ----
Personally, I have nothing against him------


Now you know why da church and all its captives are so screwed up....
not because of Paul-----Constantine did it. Does anyone REALLY have any of
Paul's original writings?
If writings were what is important, wouldn't Jesus have left them?
With the level of education he had, he should have been able to speak, read and write four languages, two of which would have had an instantaneous international audience.
 
ding said "YOU don't know what they were chosen for."

I don't know either, anyone that knows is lying to themselves and the world..

The Jewish folks are not chosen, the OT is their book, and they have Jesus who is a Jew. The Christians are worshipping a Jew, and is their best friend, who is invisible.

All the NT books are wrote by a Jew. We don't know who Luke was but I suspect he was a Jew.

Paul I think is Josephus. The NT is set of books for/to Gentiles to worship to the Jews.
Penny, dear. Luke was a greek person trained a bit in Medicine.. He wrote in
greek and there is no evidence that he knew hebrew or aramaic or anything about
Judaism or Jesus----never met him. Paul's family background was Greek---but it
seems historically accurate that his parents were greek converts to Judaism. No one knows
who "JOHN" , author of the Book of Revulsions, was. I believe that there are several
writings that made their way into the NT from persons using "JOHN" as a pen-name.
That a person with a Catholic school education is so clueless, does not surprise me.
They were all Jews who wrote the NT. Paul is a lot like Josephus, I therefore think Josephus is Paul.

Who is Luke, they had Jewish witch doctors as well.


I will tell you a secret. Don't tell anybody!

When Paul claimed that he went blind on the road to damascus and said that he had lost his sight and stumbled around acting like a blind man for a while and then presto alakazam he could suddenly see and said that he was cured and had had a vision where Jesus appointed him to be a disciple the other disciples knew he was pretending, an actor and lying fraud, an undercover agent of the enemy, because they all knew that the blindness that Jesus cured was one of perception not sight.

I won't tell -----there is a neuro-vascular condition which results in people "SEEING"
things that are not quite there ie the person CONFABULATES---. This condition
manifests as various forms of ANTON's syndrome also called "cortical blindness"
usually a result of damage to the blood circulation of the Occipital lobes of the
brain-----------ok----so Paul had a kinda TIA transient ischemic attack


Nonsense. He was a rabid persecutor of the followers of Jesus and contradicted the teachings of Jesus himself in his writings specifically that Jesus claimed that the law was obsolete and he claimed to be God which accomplished two things. The gentiles would be cursed and the Jewish people would never accept Jesus as the messiah for as long as these lies persisted.

He was on a mission to pervert early Christianity by pretending to speak for Jesus and claimed a miracle by pretending to see after pretending to go blind.

Occam's razor dear.
Oh-----but lots of people and DA CHURCH OF ROME-----depend on Paul. ----
Personally, I have nothing against him------


Now you know why da church and all its captives are so screwed up....
not because of Paul-----Constantine did it. Does anyone REALLY have any of
Paul's original writings?
If writings were what is important, wouldn't Jesus have left them?
With the level of education he had, he should have been able to speak, read and write four languages, two of which would have had an instantaneous international audience.
who? Jesus? to what "level of education" do you refer?
 

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