Serious discussion on "Diversity, Equity, Inclusion"

[Robert W]

….and that is how you weaken a country. De-emphasize excellence.

The country is majority white. That means that in the MAJORITY of cases, the most qualified and competent person will be white. It’s simple math. Now if you have a policy that essentially commands “hire fewer whites,” in most cases you will not get the best person for the job - be it a flight controller, a surgeon, a press secretary, or a vice president.

The black scholar Ward Connerly believes what you said is truth.

Ward Connerly
Opinion contributor

In the 2020 election, by nearly 2 to 1, Californians chose former Vice President Joe Biden over President Donald Trump to be the 46th U.S. president. At the same time, this deep blue state delivered a resounding rebuke to the return of racial preferences.

This was an unequivocal victory for equality under the law.

Twenty-four years ago, Californians adopted Proposition 209 — which amended the state constitution and banned racial discrimination and preferences in public hiring, contracting and education.

This year, Proposition 16 was intended to repeal Prop 209, and voters rejected it by a margin of 57% to 43%.

Rejection of Prop 16 ran across party lines​

The Yes on 16 campaign enjoyed a funding advantage of 16 to 1; the support of the entire California political, business and media establishment; and endorsements by a host of national figures, including Democratic vice presidential nominee Kamala Harris.

Yet Prop 16 still lost decisively, at even bigger margins than Prop 209 won in 1996 (55% to 45%).

Deep blue and overwhelmingly against racial preferences: What's going on in California

Equality is central to the American creed. The people of America's largest state have reaffirmed that fact.

www.usatoday.com

 

[IM2]

Blame your parents man, they done messed up and made you black

I will blame white racists like you because you are the problem.

 

[Robert W]

Yes. Though basic American values is that we always strive for excellence meaning that the brightest, best, most capable wins no matter who he/she is. DEI rejects that value.

If any of us could bottle smartness, we could all gift the Democrats a bottle.

 

[Lisa558]

If any of us could bottle smartness, we could all gift the Democrats a bottle.

They’d be too dumb to take a swig. We’d have to put smartness in a syringe and inject them while they’re sleeping!

 

[Robert W]

I will blame white racists like you because you are the problem.

You feel so damned inferior we can taste it flowing from you.

 

[Foxfyre]

I didn't nor would I ever edit your post, I just took excerpts of what is false.

Nonetheless since you complained, I have now taken a screenshot of your comment and highlighted the same segment of each item that I excerpted in my previous comment. Now we can all see easily what you said and the part that is FALSE:

And it's also dishonest to try to try to draw an equivalency between eye & hair color variations in the white race with diversity equity and inclusion as it pertains to things like hiring practices, college admissions, discrimination in public policies, etc.

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You know, some posts like yours here are so off the charts I think I would lower my IQ by even trying to respond. But do have a lovely evening.

 

[Robert W]

as it pertains to things like hiring practices, college admissions, discrimination in public policies, etc.

I have seen people put into jail over what you keep claiming.

 

[Robert W]

Trump's nominee for FAA chief is Bryan Keith Bedford, CEO of Republic Airways. But before he went into management he was/is an experienced private and commercial pilot flying large and small airliners. His reputation is quite excellent with all who have worked for and with him. Alas he is being nominated on merit and not via DEI criteria so of course the left is already trashing him.

Bidens pick would be like the person who never drove autos ever, suddenly being in charge of the Department of motor vehicles. Biden always had bias and picked the people who would demolish the USA.

 

[Robert W]

DEI is about hiring qualified people of color

I am white. If I am not of color, why are you whining all the time?

 

[Robert W]

Yes. Though basic American values is that we always strive for excellence meaning that the brightest, best, most capable wins no matter who he/she is. DEI rejects that value.

I recall the high school girl who whipped all other girls she raced. When she went to college, she kept doing it. How could she have improved had she been black?

Katelyn Tuohy (North Rockland, Thiells, New York)

 

[Tyrion234]

Robert W

I will blame white racists like you because you are the problem.

i have no problems, you’re the whiny little vagina with all the problems, maybe you should blame yourself

 

[Foxfyre]

Bidens pick would be like the person who never drove autos ever, suddenly being in charge of the Department of motor vehicles. Biden always had bias and picked the people who would demolish the USA.

Well in fairness, Biden's first FAA pick was absolutely awful but his last one wasn't that bad. Wasn't that good either based on the fact that the FAA is so understaffed. with qualified people. A competent creative manager figures out how to fix problems like that.

 

[Robert W]

Well in fairness, Biden's first FAA pick was absolutely awful but his last one wasn't that bad. Wasn't that good either based on the fact that the FAA is so understaffed. with qualified people. A competent creative manager figures out how to fix problems like that.

Though I got my pilots license in 1980 and it came for life, I would not comment on that party you mention because I don't know a thing about him. I tend to doubt the FAA is so understaffed. It gets it's air traffic controllers usually from the Air Force or from other military using such people due to their aircraft uses, such as the navy or coast guard. When regular people want to be air traffic controllers if they are already pilots that works well. But for book keepers to be ATC workers on the TV sets used is I believe rare. They don't think of doing that. Rarely as a Pilot myself have I considered working for the FAA and the controllers rake in big money.

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The median annual salary for air traffic controllers in May 2023 was $137,380, with the lowest 10% earning around $76,190 and the highest 10% earning over $200,990.

Here's a more detailed breakdown of air traffic controller salaries:

• Median Salary: $137,380 per year.
  
  
• 10th Percentile: $76,190 per year.
  
  
• 90th Percentile: $200,990 per year.
  
  
• Hourly Wage: The median hourly wage is $66.05.
  
  
• Top Earners: Some controllers can earn over $200,000 per year, with some even exceeding $300,000.
  
  
• Factors Affecting Salary: Pay increases with experience, certifications, and overtime opportunities.
  
  
• Benefits: Air traffic controllers, as federal employees, receive a comprehensive benefits package, including health insurance, retirement plans, and unique benefits like early retirement options.
  
  
• Locality Pay: Pay rates for FAA employees, including locality pay, are capped by law at $225,700.

 

[Foxfyre]

Though I got my pilots license in 1980 and it came for life, I would not comment on that party you mention because I don't know a thing about him. I tend to doubt the FAA is so understaffed. It gets it's air traffic controllers usually from the Air Force or from other military using such people due to their aircraft uses, such as the navy or coast guard. When regular people want to be air traffic controllers if they are already pilots that works well. But for book keepers to be ATC workers on the TV sets used is I believe rare. They don't think of doing that. Rarely as a Pilot myself have I considered working for the FAA and the controllers rake in big money.

AI Overview
Learn more

The median annual salary for air traffic controllers in May 2023 was $137,380, with the lowest 10% earning around $76,190 and the highest 10% earning over $200,990.

Here's a more detailed breakdown of air traffic controller salaries:

• Median Salary: $137,380 per year.
  
  
• 10th Percentile: $76,190 per year.
  
  
• 90th Percentile: $200,990 per year.
  
  
• Hourly Wage: The median hourly wage is $66.05.
  
  
• Top Earners: Some controllers can earn over $200,000 per year, with some even exceeding $300,000.
  
  
• Factors Affecting Salary: Pay increases with experience, certifications, and overtime opportunities.
  
  
• Benefits: Air traffic controllers, as federal employees, receive a comprehensive benefits package, including health insurance, retirement plans, and unique benefits like early retirement options.
  
  
• Locality Pay: Pay rates for FAA employees, including locality pay, are capped by law at $225,700.

Having known a couple of air traffic controllers though, both describe it as a high stress job. You can't take little mental breaks with it as you can in most jobs. But I do nope our new guy is the kind of effective and creative manager that can find ways to recruit good people to correct any staffing shortages that exist. I am comforted that he won't be a DEI hire and won't be utilizing DEI but will recruit the best people he can get.

 

[jc456]

I have read post after post at USMB, on X, on Facebook and elsewhere that:

1. Accuse Trump, Musk et al of racism, being Nazis, being fascists or whatever because they reject DEI in favor of qualifications, credentials, competence, effectiveness, efficiency, aptitude, vision, intuition .

2. Insist that society benefits when DEI is the criteria for hiring, appointments, promotions even if qualifications need to be lowered to achieve it.

Well if diversity is based on skin color I offer this chart for consideration:



And if LGBTQX++++ is to be included as the goal for DEI it further begs the question.

What question?

THIS QUESTION:
How does choosing people based on skin color, sexual orientation, gender preference, ethnicity, etc. improve the quality of life for all Americans? Makes America more free, more secure, more efficient, more effective, more prosperous? How does it make the military better? Commerce and industry better? Those values important to most American better?

Can we keep this more or less on topic and civil?

DEI is actually racist

 

[Foxfyre]

DEI is actually racist

Certainly a collecton of '-ists'.

 

[Robert W]

Having known a couple of air traffic controllers though, both describe it as a high stress job. You can't take little mental breaks with it as you can in most jobs. But I do nope our new guy is the kind of effective and creative manager that can find ways to recruit good people to correct any staffing shortages that exist. I am comforted that he won't be a DEI hire and won't be utilizing DEI but will recruit the best people he can get.

When I had ATC personal as clients the stress was primarily caused by the erratic work schedule as opposed to watching a TV.

When you watch your TV, are you under stress? True they see blips on the screen that even in 1980 had typed looking messages of what airplane it was and it's speed and altitude, they are trained to observe those. If you want stress, try landing an airplane on a runway in super hot days at high altitude airports. I had an instructor going wild when I was landing at Truckee Airport in CA. I told him to calm down.

 

[jc456]

Certainly a collecton of '-ists'.

Funny, when all one worries about is skin color and gender, nothing else can get done

 

[beagle9]

Blah, blah, blah. This one tried all the tactics. Go back to school. Learn American history, and you will understand that for a minimum of now 249 years whites have given themselves everything because of their skin color. So you can just drop the gasighting boy, because no matter how many typos I have, I have been factually correct about every word I have said. Whites made America diverse when your ancestors floated over here. This is not a white country, and whites alone did not build or create everything in this country. Do not let me start on the patents whites got for copying things blacks did.

Onoy racist white losers are whining about things like DEI, and it is evil to have been given what you have because of your skin color than lecture everybody see about how wrong it is to do so. You really need to just STFU.

I bet whites never forseen the future when creating whiners like you, otherwise when they sacrificed everything that you claim that they had going for them just to bring you aboard the boat with them.

Now people like you are making them scratch their head's in thought there of, because they are learning that regardless of the sacrifices they have made, it is people like you that want to overthrow them instead of live in peace with them.

Stop causing trouble for your alleged black brother's and sister's by speaking for them in ways in which they don't want you speaking for them on. It's exactly why you lost your alleged black brother's and sister's that voted for MAGA 2024 in which ushered in Donald Trump the 47th president of these supposed united state's of America.

 

[beagle9]

Mac, please shut the fuck up. You think you sound intelligent but you really sound like a dumb ass. Nothing has been misapplied and until 60 years ago, what was forced, mandated, required, enforced, and codified under penalty of punishment was whites only rule. So while whites had 190 years to accumulate wealth and excluded others from doing so, they expect us to catch up in less than 1/3 of that time while constantly fighting a white backlash.

So tell us oh wise Mac1958, how do you erase damage created by laws favoring whites without considering the people affected by the damage?

Tell us Mac the wiseman how in the fuck has anything been misapplied when whites are less then 60 percent of the population but have 77 percent of the jobs?

You bend over backwards trying sound neutral and you don't know WTH you're talking about.

You're a one man show are you not ? Yes you are.

You will turn on anyone just to keep your incessant whining going no matter what.