Separation of Temple and State

[Roudy]

Um no. Since when are textbooks considered 100% accurate anyway. This is argument not history class. If forced to choose in a binary universe, Israel is a theocracy. Separation of temple and state are essential for moving forward imo.

Of course no one will like this source but here is a more recent article exploring this topic:

"As the winds of change blow across Iran, secular democrats in Israel have been losing ground to religious and right-wing extremists who feel comfortable openly attacking the United States, Israel’s strongest ally. In recent months, Israel’s defense minister, Moshe Yaalon, called Secretary of State John Kerry “obsessive and messianic,” while Naftali Bennett, Israel’s economy minister, labeled Mr. Kerry a “mouthpiece” for anti-Semitic elements attempting to boycott Israel." http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/12/opinion/sunday/are-iran-and-israel-trading-places.html?_r=0

So all you have are opinions of morons like yourself, as opposed to official classifications.

That means if some dipshit writes an article stating that "USA is a fascist state" we'll all stick our fingers in the air and see which way the wind blows to determine if it's correct. Ha ha ha.

Brother, I don't want to fight you. I appreciate the machismo in a good Spartan like yourself, but really, imperviousness to ideas is not necessary.

I'll leave you with another article just published this week -- in foreign policy magazine edited by now clearly former Zionist Jewish American -- David Rothkopf. It is a series of letters between him and his former college roommate: Michael Oren, former American and ambassador to the US from Israel:

'A' Jewish State vs. 'The' Jewish State

"In this moment, the Rothkopf character comes into his own. He tells us what he really thinks and he’s the thoughtful and secure one, Oren is provincial. Zionism is “exactly the wrong” response to history, Rothkopf says, and delivers a speech about history that brings everyone to their feet:

History is the story of the human catastrophe that results when states promote religious ends or use religious criteria to guide their governance. As we have often seen, the embrace of religion into the identity of a nation, while being sold to the people as something unifying and elevating, is often something else. It is exclusionary. It is about finding a way to achieve cultural and ethnic "purity." It is an idea that should be more anathema to Jews, given our history, than to any other group. I find the response of Zionism to be exactly the wrong one. It suggests we have seen how others have abused religion by intermingling it with governance and national identity and the only protection is to do the same thing ourselves.

The best protection (as the United States has demonstrated) is to institutionalize the concept of tolerance and diversity and to work tirelessly to ensure that the powerful impulses to segregate and divide are quashed. It is not easy. But it has made the United States the most successful experiment in cultural diversity in history — though only after a series of horrific errors, including slavery and the genocide against Native Americans and the devaluing of the role of women, were ultimately remedied. We’re not there yet."

In other words. Let it go.

Regards,

Jews have every right to have their own country, culture, and ethnicity as do all other nations and peoples. Sometimes the religion is also part of the history culture and ethnicity of the nation. As for example with Spain and Italy.

You either do not know the definition of a theocracy, or just plain ignorant of current and past history and civilization to know the difference. Israel is considered a democratic secular nation OFFICIALLY, as a matter of fact a considerable number of Israelis consider themselves atheists, and some even serve in the government.

 

[montelatici]

i Israel is considered a democratic secular nation OFFICIALL

No, it is a theocracy just as much as Iran is. It is a Jewish state, Iran is an Islamic state.

 

[Roudy]

i Israel is considered a democratic secular nation OFFICIALL

No, it is a theocracy just as much as Iran is. It is a Jewish state, Iran is an Islamic state.

Wrong again MOHOMOD!

 

[montelatici]

i Israel is considered a democratic secular nation OFFICIALL

No, it is a theocracy just as much as Iran is. It is a Jewish state, Iran is an Islamic state.

Wrong again MOHOMOD!

A state that calls itself an Islamic or Jewish state is a theocracy especially when high priests have power to make and enforce laws according to religious dictates. In Israel, Rabbis are financed by the state FFS. How can that not be a theocracy?

 

[MHunterB]

i Israel is considered a democratic secular nation OFFICIALL

No, it is a theocracy just as much as Iran is. It is a Jewish state, Iran is an Islamic state.

Wrong again MOHOMOD!

A state that calls itself an Islamic or Jewish state is a theocracy especially when high priests have power to make and enforce laws according to religious dictates. In Israel, Rabbis are financed by the state FFS. How can that not be a theocracy?

Do you even know that in various European nations, the churches are supported at least partly by tax money? By your 'definition', Austria, Germany and the UK are all 'theocracies' - just to name a few. Obviously your 'definition' is not very accurate.

And FYI: rabbis are not in any sense of the word 'priests'. Just so we're clear on that distinction.

 

[Roudy]

i Israel is considered a democratic secular nation OFFICIALL

No, it is a theocracy just as much as Iran is. It is a Jewish state, Iran is an Islamic state.

Wrong again MOHOMOD!

A state that calls itself an Islamic or Jewish state is a theocracy especially when high priests have power to make and enforce laws according to religious dictates. In Israel, Rabbis are financed by the state FFS. How can that not be a theocracy?

Ha ha ha, ho ho oh hee hee hee. MOHOMOD Latici I mean Sherri #3 is fuuuuuunnnnnyyyyy! Why are all Islamo terrorist lovers such ignorant douchebags?! They even have their own definitions! Is there an adult night school around you, where you can perhaps at least get your elementary school diploma? Here is what a "theocracy" is:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/theocracy
the·oc·ra·cy noun \thē-ˈä-krə-sē\
: a form of government in which a country is ruled by religious leaders
: a country that is ruled by religious leaders

Therefore a country that calls itself an "Islamic state" isn't necessarily a theocracy, unless there are priests / clerics running the government. Iran IS a theocracy because it is ruled by a cleric piece of Shiite.

Wow, what an ignorant moron!

 

[Phoenall]

i Israel is considered a democratic secular nation OFFICIALL

No, it is a theocracy just as much as Iran is. It is a Jewish state, Iran is an Islamic state.

Wrong again child as according to INTERNATIONAL LAW Israel is a Jewish nation and can not be anything else. So even if your demographics come to fruit the muslims cant alter the status of Israel and make in an Islamic nation.

 

[montelatici]

i Israel is considered a democratic secular nation OFFICIALL

No, it is a theocracy just as much as Iran is. It is a Jewish state, Iran is an Islamic state.

Wrong again child as according to INTERNATIONAL LAW Israel is a Jewish nation and can not be anything else. So even if your demographics come to fruit the muslims cant alter the status of Israel and make in an Islamic nation.

You are really a dimwit. There is no "International Law" that makes Israel a Jewish state. No International law promotes a theocracy.

 

[Indeependent]

Israel's problem...
No being theocratic.
Israel has NOTHING to apologize for except for the fact that it's leaders don't have the intestinal fortitude to sternly state that Israel is a JEWISH nation, not simply a nation comprised of people born of a woman who happened to be a Jew.

 

[Roudy]

i Israel is considered a democratic secular nation OFFICIALL

No, it is a theocracy just as much as Iran is. It is a Jewish state, Iran is an Islamic state.

Wrong again child as according to INTERNATIONAL LAW Israel is a Jewish nation and can not be anything else. So even if your demographics come to fruit the muslims cant alter the status of Israel and make in an Islamic nation.

You are really a dimwit. There is no "International Law" that makes Israel a Jewish state. No International law promotes a theocracy.

First go learn what the definition of a theocracy is, dipstick Sherri #3.

Israel was voted by the UN and League of Nations as a Jewish nation. Period end of story.

Your Arab / Muslim garbage propaganda is just that.

 

[Roudy]

Israel's problem...
No being theocratic.
Israel has NOTHING to apologize for except for the fact that it's leaders don't have the intestinal fortitude to sternly state that Israel is a JEWISH nation, not simply a nation comprised of people born of a woman who happened to be a Jew.

You have to understand its all lies and false Islamist propaganda with this guy. We are not going to beat him at lying and stupidity.

 

[aris2chat]

i Israel is considered a democratic secular nation OFFICIALL

No, it is a theocracy just as much as Iran is. It is a Jewish state, Iran is an Islamic state.

Wrong again child as according to INTERNATIONAL LAW Israel is a Jewish nation and can not be anything else. So even if your demographics come to fruit the muslims cant alter the status of Israel and make in an Islamic nation.

You are really a dimwit. There is no "International Law" that makes Israel a Jewish state. No International law promotes a theocracy.

Jewish is a people not just a religion. The rabbis don't make the common laws or rule the country, politicians do. A deference is paid to the religion to avoid some of the conflicts, but the laws of the state over rule some of the orthodox traditions and rules they observe. There is a link by birth not just faith to the land.

 

[Roudy]

Wrong again child as according to INTERNATIONAL LAW Israel is a Jewish nation and can not be anything else. So even if your demographics come to fruit the muslims cant alter the status of Israel and make in an Islamic nation.

You are really a dimwit. There is no "International Law" that makes Israel a Jewish state. No International law promotes a theocracy.

Jewish is a people not just a religion. The rabbis don't make the common laws or rule the country, politicians do. A deference is paid to the religion to avoid some of the conflicts, but the laws of the state over rule some of the orthodox traditions and rules they observe. There is a link by birth not just faith to the land.

Aris, do you think this uneducated ignorant fool cares about facts? He keeps repeating that Israel is a theocracy when not even the Arab or Muslim countries consider it as such.

They don't even know which story line to lie about. First they say Zionism is against Judaism, then from the other side of their mouth they say Israel is a theocracy. So if it is a theocracy then thank you for confirming that Zionism is support by Judaism! Ha ha ha.

 

[Hossfly]

Wrong again MOHOMOD!

A state that calls itself an Islamic or Jewish state is a theocracy especially when high priests have power to make and enforce laws according to religious dictates. In Israel, Rabbis are financed by the state FFS. How can that not be a theocracy?

Do you even know that in various European nations, the churches are supported at least partly by tax money? By your 'definition', Austria, Germany and the UK are all 'theocracies' - just to name a few. Obviously your 'definition' is not very accurate.

And FYI: rabbis are not in any sense of the word 'priests'. Just so we're clear on that distinction.

In Germany a church tax is taken out of paychecks. Called Kirchensteuer. Ask [MENTION=46168]Statistikhengst[/MENTION]

 

[proudveteran06]

Required docs for Aliyah to Israel

Documents needed for Aliyah - Guided Aliyah from within Israel.

Proof of Judaism
Acceptable proof of Judaism is a letter from a recognized rabbi in North America or the UK, stating that you are Jewish and born to a Jewish mother.

This is required for all adults in the family making Aliyah.
The letter must have been written in the past year on official letterhead.
If you are Jewish through your father/grandfather, please provide a letter from a recognized rabbi in North America or the UK, who can confirm your Jewish lineage.
Israeli citizens may have additional options for the proof of Judaism requirement
Some other requirements of the letter are as follows:

The letter must be in English or Hebrew.
The letter must appear on official synagogue letterhead. It must state the name, location and telephone number of the congregation, and include your full legal name (as appears on your passport) and parents' names (and grandparents' names, where relevant).
The letter must bear the rabbi's signature, and the rabbi's name and title should appear on the letterhead.
If you converted to Judaism, you will be required to submit different documentation proving your completion of the conversion process. You will receive further instructions during the application process.

And you have a problem with that? These are people returning to the roots of their faith
that for many they have become far too distant from. It is a return to the people, the country and culture that they belong to.

Muslims that seek to go on a hajj to mecca also have to get documentation of their faith and identity from their mosque. Not just anyone that verbally claims to be a muslim can enter mecca. It is quite a process to apply and get all the documentation, visas, application to Saudi Arabia, items you will need, book a flight/travel through approved dealers, becoming familiar with the rituals and procedures as well as the group you will might living with while there.

So, Israel is just as theocratic as Saudi Arabia. OK, I agree.

The Racist is comparing Saudi Arabia to Israel where Jews are VERBOTEN ? Christians aren't allowed to practice their religion openly . Notice how he"s not condemning Saudi Arabia? That's because he's a Racist Hypocrite.

 

[Auldhippy]

i Israel is considered a democratic secular nation OFFICIALL

No, it is a theocracy just as much as Iran is. It is a Jewish state, Iran is an Islamic state.

Wrong again child as according to INTERNATIONAL LAW Israel is a Jewish nation and can not be anything else. So even if your demographics come to fruit the muslims cant alter the status of Israel and make in an Islamic nation.

Under it's domestic law Israel can call itself what it likes but international law does not recognise it as a Jewish state just as it does not recognise any other state by it's religion even if that religion is mentioned in the name.

Int'l law applies to all religions and none.

 

[aris2chat]

i Israel is considered a democratic secular nation OFFICIALL

No, it is a theocracy just as much as Iran is. It is a Jewish state, Iran is an Islamic state.

Wrong again child as according to INTERNATIONAL LAW Israel is a Jewish nation and can not be anything else. So even if your demographics come to fruit the muslims cant alter the status of Israel and make in an Islamic nation.

Under it's domestic law Israel can call itself what it likes but international law does not recognise it as a Jewish state just as it does not recognise any other state by it's religion even if that religion is mentioned in the name.

Int'l law applies to all religions and none.

http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/uploads/Documents/pubs/PolicyFocus108.pdf

 

[Phoenall]

i Israel is considered a democratic secular nation OFFICIALL

No, it is a theocracy just as much as Iran is. It is a Jewish state, Iran is an Islamic state.

Wrong again child as according to INTERNATIONAL LAW Israel is a Jewish nation and can not be anything else. So even if your demographics come to fruit the muslims cant alter the status of Israel and make in an Islamic nation.

Under it's domestic law Israel can call itself what it likes but international law does not recognise it as a Jewish state just as it does not recognise any other state by it's religion even if that religion is mentioned in the name.

Int'l law applies to all religions and none.

But it applies to all races and as Jew is a race and the UN drew up a resolution that was passed granting the race of Jews a JEWISH HOMELAND

proof from the ISLAMONAZIS FAVOURITE MAP shows that the UN were talking a JEWISH STATE

The United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine was a proposal developed by the United Nations, which recommended a partition with Economic Union of Mandatory Palestine to follow the termination of the British Mandate. On 29 November 1947, the U.N. General Assembly adopted a resolution recommending the adoption and implementation of the Plan as Resolution 181(II).[2]

The resolution recommended the creation of independent Arab and Jewish States and the Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem.


United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Roudy]

Wrong again child as according to INTERNATIONAL LAW Israel is a Jewish nation and can not be anything else. So even if your demographics come to fruit the muslims cant alter the status of Israel and make in an Islamic nation.

Under it's domestic law Israel can call itself what it likes but international law does not recognise it as a Jewish state just as it does not recognise any other state by it's religion even if that religion is mentioned in the name.

Int'l law applies to all religions and none.

But it applies to all races and as Jew is a race and the UN drew up a resolution that was passed granting the race of Jews a JEWISH HOMELAND

proof from the ISLAMONAZIS FAVOURITE MAP shows that the UN were talking a JEWISH STATE

The United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine was a proposal developed by the United Nations, which recommended a partition with Economic Union of Mandatory Palestine to follow the termination of the British Mandate. On 29 November 1947, the U.N. General Assembly adopted a resolution recommending the adoption and implementation of the Plan as Resolution 181(II).[2]

The resolution recommended the creation of independent Arab and Jewish States and the Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem.


United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Well, actually it was supposed to look like this before the Arab animals attacked.

 

[jillian]

All faiths should be allowed on to the Temple Mount, and if they want to pray, if it truly is all the same god. The muslims might want to protect the Al Aqsa mosque from damage by fixing the wall underneath it before a large quake causes it all to fall down. It should be safe for all visitors to enter and appreciate; the faith, the culture, the people, the fact that there is more similarity than difference between people if they give peace a chance to accept the fact.

1) why should all faiths be allowed on the temple mount?
2) if that were the goal, perhaps they shouldn't have tossed a mosque on top of the holy of holies.