See how New York thumbs it nose at the Constitution and the Supreme Court

[martybegan]

Afterall you did mention states right's should a state have the right to inslave certain people?

Take em to court reb, take em to court

Sorry....but not being able to carry a concealed weapon is not slavery

You're right it's a God given proected by the second amendment right. "The right of the people shall not be infringed"

But as you said a state has a right to govern itself so what happens when a state decides to bring back slavery?

Its actually "keep and bear". thus if the founders only wanted us to keep said arms in our houses only, they could have omitted the "bear"

 

[JWBooth]

score 1 for natzi ny gun control, as courts upheld ny residents seeking concealed carry permits, must show cause for said permit. Lawsuit file'ees were denied on grounds like:
"could not demonstrate a need for self protection distinguishable from that of the general public"
and "could not prove that there was any type of threat to her own safety anywhere."
schneiderman wins major gun-control case

way to go nany state city

so you're not a fan of state sovereignty?

Big surprise.

what if a state decided to bring back slavery?

The likelihood that any state would elect a legislature inclined to do so makes the suggestion too silly to use as a rhetorical device when arguing the point.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

so you're not a fan of state sovereignty?

Big surprise.

what if a state decided to bring back slavery?

The likelihood that any state would elect a legislature inclined to do so makes the suggestion too silly to use as a rhetorical device when arguing the point.

It's a states right as we agree to govern has they choose but what happens when they choose slavery? After all you were one of those who brought up the subject of states rights and I challenged you to defend your stance. Here's a hint if it's not covered in the Constitution then the states have jurisdiction over it. If it's a protected right then the Feds step in with the authority of th Constitution to protect those rights.

 

[WillowTree]

the city of San Francisco complete outlawed handguns. No carry, period. We all thought is was grand and went back to making daisy chains and smoking dope asap.

yeah right and they gave sancturay to illegals from El Salvador too one of which took an AK 47 and killed a man and two of his sons in the street.. Hoooo fucking ray for shitty old San Francisco.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

the city of San Francisco complete outlawed handguns. No carry, period. We all thought is was grand and went back to making daisy chains and smoking dope asap.

yeah right and they gave sancturay to illegals from El Salvador too one of which took an AK 47 and killed a man and two of his sons in the street.. Hoooo fucking ray for shitty old San Francisco.

of course willow we must forget about that it has nothing to do with total gun control just gun control of American citizens

 

[Liability]

Seriously (just for a moment):

Why is it that the 2nd Amendment isn't INCORPORATED by the 14th Amendment the way that other Constitutional amendments are such that those various Amendments are applicable to the States?

Or, to ask the question a BIT more pointedly, how does this "case" square with McDonald v. Chicago? 561 U.S. 3025, 130 S.Ct. 3020 (2010) (held that an individual's right to "keep and bear arms" protected by the 2nd Amendment is incorporated by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and that it applies to the states )

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Seriously (just for a moment):

Why is it that the 2nd Amendment isn't INCORPORATED by the 14th Amendment the way that other Constitutional amendments are such that those various Amendments are applicable to the States?

Or, to ask the question a BIT more pointedly, how does this "case" square with McDonald v. Chicago? 561 U.S. 3025, 130 S.Ct. 3020 (2010) (held that an individual's right to "keep and bear arms" protected by the 2nd Amendment is incorporated by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and that it applies to the states )

The premiss they are trying to use is that a person doesn't have the right to defend themself in public. They aren't saying people shouldn't have access toa firearm for home defense. Just not to defend yourself when you leave your home.

 

[westwall]

SCORE 1 for NATZI NY GUN CONTROL, as courts upheld NY residents seeking CONCEALED CARRY PERMITS, must SHOW CAUSE for said permit. Lawsuit file'ees were denied on grounds like:
"could not demonstrate a need for self protection distinguishable from that of the general public"
and "could not prove that there was any type of threat to her own safety anywhere."
Schneiderman wins major gun-control case

Way to go nany state city

Have something against states rights?

Have something against Individual Rights?

 

[Liability]

Seriously (just for a moment):

Why is it that the 2nd Amendment isn't INCORPORATED by the 14th Amendment the way that other Constitutional amendments are such that those various Amendments are applicable to the States?

Or, to ask the question a BIT more pointedly, how does this "case" square with McDonald v. Chicago? 561 U.S. 3025, 130 S.Ct. 3020 (2010) (held that an individual's right to "keep and bear arms" protected by the 2nd Amendment is incorporated by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and that it applies to the states )

The premiss they are trying to use is that a person doesn't have the right to defend themself in public. They aren't saying people shouldn't have access toa firearm for home defense. Just not to defend yourself when you leave your home.

So the 2nd A is incorporated by the 14th A, but the purpose of the 2nd A (as they see it) somehow limits that Constitutional right?

We HAVE a right to protect ourselves, but not off of our own property?

They be all confused and shit.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Seriously (just for a moment):

Why is it that the 2nd Amendment isn't INCORPORATED by the 14th Amendment the way that other Constitutional amendments are such that those various Amendments are applicable to the States?

Or, to ask the question a BIT more pointedly, how does this "case" square with McDonald v. Chicago? 561 U.S. 3025, 130 S.Ct. 3020 (2010) (held that an individual's right to "keep and bear arms" protected by the 2nd Amendment is incorporated by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and that it applies to the states )

The premiss they are trying to use is that a person doesn't have the right to defend themself in public. They aren't saying people shouldn't have access toa firearm for home defense. Just not to defend yourself when you leave your home.

So the 2nd A is incorporated by the 14th A, but the purpose of the 2nd A (as they see it) somehow limits that Constitutional right?

We HAVE a right to protect ourselves, but not off of our own property?

They be all confused and shit.

It's quite clear in Heller vs. D.C. and McDonald vs. Chicago from the supreme court rulings that the right to keep and bear arms was not unlimited. When they used "for home defense" I knew neither ruling was a victory for our rights.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

nope, do you have something for slavery?

Sorry....but not being able to carry a concealed weapon is not slavery

Grow up

Then at that point, in westchester, i expect all law enforcement officers to check thier weapons at the end of thier shift, and, like the general public, rely upon police protection when in public areas.

I agree

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Take em to court reb, take em to court

Sorry....but not being able to carry a concealed weapon is not slavery

You're right it's a God given proected by the second amendment right. "The right of the people shall not be infringed"

But as you said a state has a right to govern itself so what happens when a state decides to bring back slavery?

Its actually "keep and bear". thus if the founders only wanted us to keep said arms in our houses only, they could have omitted the "bear"

I know I wasn't paying attention

 

[bigrebnc1775]

SCORE 1 for NATZI NY GUN CONTROL, as courts upheld NY residents seeking CONCEALED CARRY PERMITS, must SHOW CAUSE for said permit. Lawsuit file'ees were denied on grounds like:
"could not demonstrate a need for self protection distinguishable from that of the general public"
and "could not prove that there was any type of threat to her own safety anywhere."
Schneiderman wins major gun-control case

Way to go nany state city

Have something against states rights?

Have something against Individual Rights?

It puts the colletive at risk when you start thinking for yourself

 

[bigrebnc1775]

1837
Georgia passes a law banning handguns. The law is ruled unconstitutional and thrown out.
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