Second amendment, should felons be allowed to own guns?

[WinterBorn]

I’m going to have a huge second amendment rally in Boston, July 4th- 7th celebrating gun’s and freedom! We will be camping out in the commons, and your back yards, drinking beer and roasting HOG! And there’s nothing the mayor can do about it, we don’t need security, all
We
Need is freedom!!

I see you still have no respect for the private property of others.

And if someone wants you out of their yard, the cops will remove you. Pretending otherwise is a waste of time.

 

[Jitss617]

I’m going to have a huge second amendment rally in Boston, July 4th- 7th celebrating gun’s and freedom! We will be camping out in the commons, and your back yards, drinking beer and roasting HOG! And there’s nothing the mayor can do about it, we don’t need security, all
We
Need is freedom!!

I see you still have no respect for the private property of others.

And if someone wants you out of their yard, the cops will remove you. Pretending otherwise is a waste of time.

Cops? Haha

 

[WinterBorn]

I’m going to have a huge second amendment rally in Boston, July 4th- 7th celebrating gun’s and freedom! We will be camping out in the commons, and your back yards, drinking beer and roasting HOG! And there’s nothing the mayor can do about it, we don’t need security, all
We
Need is freedom!!

I see you still have no respect for the private property of others.

And if someone wants you out of their yard, the cops will remove you. Pretending otherwise is a waste of time.

Cops? Haha

Yep, cops. You think you will ignore them and they will just shrug their shoulders and leave. If it escalates, they will use whatever resources they have to remove you.

 

[Jitss617]

I’m going to have a huge second amendment rally in Boston, July 4th- 7th celebrating gun’s and freedom! We will be camping out in the commons, and your back yards, drinking beer and roasting HOG! And there’s nothing the mayor can do about it, we don’t need security, all
We
Need is freedom!!

I see you still have no respect for the private property of others.

And if someone wants you out of their yard, the cops will remove you. Pretending otherwise is a waste of time.

Cops? Haha

Yep, cops. You think you will ignore them and they will just shrug their shoulders and leave. If it escalates, they will use whatever resources they have to remove you.

Thousands and thousands of armed men even tanks!

 

[Porter Rockwell]

In general I think that once someone has served their time, they should be fully re-enfranchised- both with the vote and their right to own guns.
Except- in my opinion- those who have committed a crime with a gun, or other weapon.

I am curious to see where Republicans go with this- so far generally like in Florida- Republicans are doing what they can to prevent ex-cons from voting. Will they have the same reluctance with firearms?

There should be no restrictions to gun ownership in America.. as far as voting you should not vote if you’re not paying taxes, except for some jobs, like military. Woman shouldn’t be allowed to vote because they can’t fight in war like men can, and they vote with emotion not logic, and there should be a test to vote to keep minorities from voting. They don’t like America anyway

Jeez, you want to restrict it to all white males voting, but have absolutely no restrictions on gun ownership? What a surprise.

No. Any American citizen over the age of 18 (with very few exceptions) can vote. Limiting that is anti-American.

Well that’s not how it used to be and America was great

Limiting the voices of Americans is not the way to go.

The fact that it used to be that only landowners could vote was not what made America great. You are guilty of a causal fallacy.

Contribute to America pay a poll tax,, if your not working, you can achieve the right to vote if you work hard

First you will have to get enough votes to amend the US Constitution. The 24th amendment specifically outlawed poll taxes.

Easy

Women make up 51% of the population. They could stop it. Add minorities in and it would be a slam-dunk to fail.

woman actually voted against the right to vote lol

How about we make it so that only honorably discharged veterans can vote? If you don't want to serve in the military, some sort of Peace Corp like service. Earn your right to vote.

Tax payers shouldn’t vote?

Women and minorities pay taxes, and you want to take away their vote.

I don’t consider anti Americans citizens , growing up with Hatians and latinos they all said fcuk America, give them a test with some interesting questions if they pass they can vote

In general I think that once someone has served their time, they should be fully re-enfranchised- both with the vote and their right to own guns.
Except- in my opinion- those who have committed a crime with a gun, or other weapon.

I am curious to see where Republicans go with this- so far generally like in Florida- Republicans are doing what they can to prevent ex-cons from voting. Will they have the same reluctance with firearms?

There should be no restrictions to gun ownership in America.. as far as voting you should not vote if you’re not paying taxes, except for some jobs, like military. Woman shouldn’t be allowed to vote because they can’t fight in war like men can, and they vote with emotion not logic, and there should be a test to vote to keep minorities from voting. They don’t like America anyway

Jeez, you want to restrict it to all white males voting, but have absolutely no restrictions on gun ownership? What a surprise.

No. Any American citizen over the age of 18 (with very few exceptions) can vote. Limiting that is anti-American.

Well that’s not how it used to be and America was great

Limiting the voices of Americans is not the way to go.

The fact that it used to be that only landowners could vote was not what made America great. You are guilty of a causal fallacy.

Contribute to America pay a poll tax,, if your not working, you can achieve the right to vote if you work hard

First you will have to get enough votes to amend the US Constitution. The 24th amendment specifically outlawed poll taxes.

Easy

Women make up 51% of the population. They could stop it. Add minorities in and it would be a slam-dunk to fail.

woman actually voted against the right to vote lol

How about we make it so that only honorably discharged veterans can vote? If you don't want to serve in the military, some sort of Peace Corp like service. Earn your right to vote.

Tax payers shouldn’t vote?

Women and minorities pay taxes, and you want to take away their vote.

I don’t consider anti Americans citizens , growing up with Hatians and latinos they all said fcuk America, give them a test with some interesting questions if they pass they can vote

I specifically mentioned citizens. Haitians and latinoes who have become citizens have to have a test to vote? But white Americans don't? I've know too many white Americans who are dumb as dirt.

And women? YOu want to take away their vote even though they pay taxes.

An honorable discharge or some sort of approved volunteer work for 3 years. Sounds like a good way to earn your vote.

If you poll 10 hatians if they like America and 9 out of ten says they want to burn it down then yes we have a issue. And that’s what I’m hearing in the community. What should we do if these refugees are saying these things??

Are they citizens? No. So your point is moot.

how many refugees can this country take that hate America can you give me a number?

I have no idea. But since we are talking about who can vote, it doesn't matter. That is a completely different topic.

Lol answer the question tough guy

It is a stupid question that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic we are discussing. Answer it yourself. But since they are not citizens, they cannot vote anyway.

We’re having a discussion and debate about voting in America. I live in a city where a large population of refugees and they openly say they hate America.. So I’m asking you how many refugees like this can America take since you want them to vote.. WE CAN AMEND ANYTHING THAT MAKES AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

And yes, we CAN amend the US Constitution. But it is not easily done. Nor should it be. The US Constitution is the basis and bedrock of our great nation. Changing it requires more than just a majority in a local vote.

We need to fix america AMEND alllll DAY long, talk to smart woman ( that love america) many will say woman shouldn't vote, they vote of emotion. they cant soley fight on the front line, and can get men hurt if they were, many in reality pay no taxes because they should be home engineering a family, this lala land dems have created is ridiculous, the oes with the biggest mouth live in urban areas with lots of cops so other woman cant confront them for the conflict they cause.

todays immigration has destroyed american urban areas, the refugess we let in.. NEEDS to be changed 30 years ago.

if you were for the constitution you would be in urban areas protesting the lack of privacy, the police state, no second amendment rights. kids getting gunned down arent getting justice, they are getting lynched. so take your fake outrage and shove it up your ass

I'd like to interject for a moment. This is not intended to take sides, but rather to understand your point and to put things in their proper context.

First off, who should get to vote? Early in this country's history only free white landowners were allowed the privilege of voting. The reason was, only whites could become citizens AND the people who founded our Republic believed that if you were a taxpaying landowner you had some skin in the game (something to lose) and, consequently, as heads of the house and having something to lose, they should be the ones who had a privilege to vote. This probably makes sense, even in today's world, if widows who continued to work the land after their husband's death could cast their late husband's vote.

Why should people who do not own land or businesses be able to reach into the pockets of landowners and business to tell them how to spend the money they earned? Why should an apartment dweller be able to reach into the hands of a homeowner and have the homeowner held responsible for educating the apartment dweller's children? So, how do you feel about that kind of America?

I have to disagree with what you say relative to immigration. Then, again, that's because we tend to misuse the word. Immigration is defined in legal dictionaries as people coming here for permanent residence. That automatically implies that anyone who washes up on our shores to participate in the free market should become a citizen. And, so, in order to quell the type of people who became MAGA supporters, the government offered seven amnesty periods from the mid 1980s to about 2001. The right bitched about so - called "illegal immigration" (a misnomer at best) and the politicians simply gave citizenship to undocumented foreigners. Problem solved. You got to be careful what you wish for.

If not for the right, we would not have the POLICE STATE and the lack of privacy. Believe it or not, the Democrats (the ones who run the show) want the swill that Donald Trump is selling. The Democrats proposed it first! They put up token opposition to it only because if the Ds pretend to be against something, the Rs are almost obligated to support the idea. The whole issue is so convoluted that neither side wants to revisit history and find out how they are being played by outside forces. So, now putting that into perspective, how does that make you feel?

Many black people voted, many non land owners voted, some had Privileges given to them, poll taxes etc... so no need to start with fake news, I’m
In a urban city and saw wht todays immigration has done and have talked about it many times. Education, jobs, I’ll give you an example if I was a drunk in 1890-1950, just pre Latinos, I could grab a job as a dishwasher somewhere, get my shit together rejoin society,, today the wages and other factors keep the down and out on the streets.. I see thousands of meth heads walking the streets, with out the options of taking these jobs to sober up, immigration has destroyed our urban areas. I can get into sitting in classrooms not with just different languages but a culture that has no interest in learning our culture and assimilating...

We need to take care of Americans, period

Fake news? You need to take a few courses in American history and basic civics. Blacks were barred from voting until the Republicans illegally ratified the 14th Amendment in 1868. From the time of the Declaration of Independence until the 14th Amendment - almost a century, blacks weren't even considered people. They were only counted as 3/5th of a person in the Constitution (and the wording is still in the Constitution.)

Just so we're clear here, you need to get your head screwed on right. The reason your guys cannot get their excrement back together and rejoin society is due to the fact that the right got played. You worry and fret over so - called "illegal immigration," but you can't get a second chance because the MAGA types (before they were MAGA) wanted the ultimate POLICE STATE. When employers can violate your Fourth Amendment Rights by requiring a drug test; when the employer has access to your criminal history (which is irrelevant for 90 percent of most jobs AND employers are not qualified to assess the information in your criminal history), then you're locked out of the job market. It was the Tea Party Republicans (and the politicians they embraced) that gave you the so - called "Patriot Act," the National ID / REAL ID Act - E Verify, 24 / 7 / 365 womb to the tomb monitoring, the Dept. of Homeland (IN) Security, prove this, prove that, more licenses, permits, etc., etc. that is keeping you locked out of the job market. Foreigners that you like to call "illegals" are only benefiting off of the Americans failed political strategies AND our own culture.

I tried to help the downtrodden to get jobs, an education, etc. and wound up being blackmailed by a couple of guys of which I have to provide their lifestyle free of charge. Our society did much the same thing and half the people were already dependent upon the government for at least some portion of their living BEFORE the pandemic. You're scapegoating people and unwilling to step up to the plate. If we want better things for our country, WE have to become better people. We have to change our culture.

your Talking about the right for blacks to vote,, I’m
Talking about some blacks did vote, before that..

And you aren’t listing to what I’m
Saying and are out of touch with what’s happening in urban areas. I’m here born and raised And I know I’m
Right, Americans first! Stop with your republicans did this shit, I want to fix it. This is an American problem

I'm only recounting history as it happened. I was born and grew up here, but just not in the time period of 1620 through 1868. If you want to fix what is wrong with America, I'd say you took the first step by admitting it is an American problem. Change your culture and you fix the problems. Look at this from my point:

In the next room over from my office is a bedroom. In that bedroom is a white piece of shit that isn't worth a damn. It's about 2:30 pm and I've been to the grocery store, filed some papers in court, took care of some business to make a few dollars and have posted here a couple of times. That mofo will not get out of bed until about 4 pm. at which time"mommy" will be here and he can tell her what he wants to eat. In his waking hours this POS will be smoking cigarettes and weed, running around with a hairdo that resembles one of the old Mel Gibson Road Warrior movies. He will be wearing a Misfits t shirt or one of Marilyn Manson. He will stay up, going out with friends to play with his guitar. He can't pass a drug test; he's rarely held a job for more than a few weeks, and even his car was given to him by mommy. He has no high school education, no job skills, no interpersonal skills, and you cannot have a serious conversation with him without him coming unhinged. slamming shit around and storming out the door like a spoiled brat.

He is not an anomaly. He is the typical white male that happens to be in his 20s to 30s. Nobody is going to hire these people for any meaningful job. They don't deserve it. And if that cocksucker's mother weren't blackmailing me, I'd spank his ass with a belt, make him get a human haircut, put on some decent clothes and get a job. The Mexicans stole my job shit don't cut it with me. The problem is with "mommy." I don't know any white kids (and I mean those 18 to mid 30s) that have a real job. They only want to spend enough hours on a job to earn some drug money and the stupid ass women in this country think their baby has emotional issues and can't handle a job. I have to hire Mexicans sometimes because the white guys don't show up. You think I like that situation? I'll tell you one damn thing. Nobody in this neighborhood ever has the balls to say anything negative about what I do to my face. If they did, they know I'd spit in their face and dare them to do anything about it.

Women have voted themselves all these protections and they get in the way of men disciplining children. If you're over 18 and living in mommy's house, you are a child. Most of the time, on the Internet, I notice WHEN people post. If you don't have a job yourself and it's 2:30 pm on Tuesday, your problem would be obvious. Your full time job when you're unemployed is to look for a job, not post on the Internet. The average white American (they make up 90 percent of those using so - called "illegal immigrants" as an excuse) started out taking "legal" drugs at the behest of the parents, the schools, the government, doctors and Big Pharma. They had "emotional issues" like the phony conditions of ADD / ADHD. From there, forward, America was a big candy store of legal and illegal drugs: heroin, weed, meth, pain pills, opioids, SSRIs, etc., etc. By the time they are in their 20s they have a criminal record, a drug habit, bad teeth, tattoos, body piercings, and body odor from their lifestyle. What they do not have is a high school diploma, a job history, any skill sets, initiative, drive, problem solving skills or any sense of responsibility. If you were a businessman that hoped he'd make a profit so he could feed his family, you wouldn't hire these pieces of human garbage either. When we are the nation that is the drug abuser capital of the world (we consume over 80 percent of the world's opioid supply alone), then foreigners are a symptom.

Deporting them will not get you a job. It won't eliminate a criminal history nor will it give you a high school diploma. All it will do is drive companies out of the United States and then you will REALLY have a third world country. Be the first in your neighborhood. Change your culture.

Great post.
Just one comment- I work in a company that consists of mostly young white men in their 20's and 30's- and they are all mostly kick-ass brilliant hard workers. As someone considerably older- I am impressed as hell by these guys- and the gals too.

You really ought to see the people in my neighborhood. Rich and poor; they all rely on their parents and "mommy" puts them before all else in life, never expecting anything from them. After I had major surgery, my wife took advantage by moving one son in here. He was as described earlier. One day he throws a belt around my neck without any advance notice. I had left my Makarov at the computer as it was poking me in the back. If not for that, he'd be dead. When that fight ended, he wound up with a fractured arm and his wrist broken in two places. After he healed up, my wife paid a couple of months rent for him to live in a room in someone's home. Then she moves another POS son in on me. Since I'm not making the money I used to, she threatens me with the loss of insurance. I don't know what they will do when I get back on my feet physically and financially, but I intend to set an example for those scumbags that take advantage of the current situation relative to our laws and culture.

I am sorry for your situation.

I don't doubt that people exist exactly as you describe them.

I am just pointing out that enterprising, hard working men and women in their 20's and 30's not only do exist- pretty much every 20 or 30 year old I can think of is(or was) employed, and self supporting.

I will take your word for it. But, for the ones who are not productive, I have an idea that is better than locking them out of society.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

I’m
Like a wild cowboy renegade, kicking ass a taking names

Essentially a violent person then.

Probably best you can’t legally have a gun.

Afraid of confrontation?

See, there's where you fuck up: You look at gun ownership as a prelude to confrontation, when all it really is is gun ownership.

You're a felon. You deserve every shitty thing that happens to you...

I just want to defend my family and hunt to feed them.. is that ok Stalin?

And you want to take away the voting rights of most Americans- because you think that is okay- right Hitler?

Why should some one that hates America get to vote? Or someone that refuses to work? I like
The idea that those that participate get heard.. you can disagree all you want

Why should a convicted felon be allowed to own a gun?

I like the idea that those who don't commit crimes get to own guns.

Just pointing out that you don't just want to prevent some small minority that hates America from voting- you literally want to prohibit the vast majority of Americans from voting-
starting off with the 51-53% of voters that are women. And of course every minority- unless they take a test that I am pretty sure you couldn't pass. And anyone without a job.

I can't answer for the guy you're addressing, but have responses of my own:

1) The Right to keep and bear Arms is an unalienable Right that preexisted before the Constitution was written and our early courts ruled that the Right was above the law

2) The government can only punish a criminal, rehabilitate them, and then require restitution. After that person is let out of prison, they should have their Rights restored as those Rights are not within the legitimate jurisdiction of the government. Once that person has been set free, the "criminal justice system" is telling us that person is safe to be on the streets. If you don't think these guys with criminal records are safe, you have to ask yourself what in the HELL the "criminal justice system" was doing???

3) I like the idea of giving people long sentences and allowing them to earn an early release. That way, they either don't have long to live on the streets OR they become rehabilitated. For example, a guy serving TEN YEARS could reduce his sentence in something along these lines: Get a GED. Take off 2 years of the sentence. Obtain some transferable job skills and earn certification, diploma, college degree, etc. and take off 2 more years. If the inmate earns an undergraduate degree that translates into needed skills, they would get 4 years off a sentence. Undergo drug rehab and / or violence counseling courses and take off another year. Take a course in how to maintain a home and be independent. Courses would include how to look for a job, how to balance a checkbook, how to plan your finances, house cleaning, personal hygiene, building up a credit score, getting an apartment or house. That earns the inmate another year off. In the instant case, a determined inmate could finish all the above in 3 1/2 years.

4) I like the idea that we do not create two classes of citizens and lock people out for past mistakes. When you have people locked out of society, there is no benefit to them even if they do try to get their excrement together

In response to 3.) why don’t we stop the bad education democrats are giving kids in these neighborhoods, and fix the broken families.. that will cut people doing time. These cities are only getting worse, kids can’t even complete a sentence in Boston public schools.

You have a local / state issue and if you are serious, you develop your own job, take one kid off the street and mentor them. Once you're successful, ask others to join the effort.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

In general I think that once someone has served their time, they should be fully re-enfranchised- both with the vote and their right to own guns.
Except- in my opinion- those who have committed a crime with a gun, or other weapon.

I am curious to see where Republicans go with this- so far generally like in Florida- Republicans are doing what they can to prevent ex-cons from voting. Will they have the same reluctance with firearms?

There should be no restrictions to gun ownership in America.. as far as voting you should not vote if you’re not paying taxes, except for some jobs, like military. Woman shouldn’t be allowed to vote because they can’t fight in war like men can, and they vote with emotion not logic, and there should be a test to vote to keep minorities from voting. They don’t like America anyway

Jeez, you want to restrict it to all white males voting, but have absolutely no restrictions on gun ownership? What a surprise.

No. Any American citizen over the age of 18 (with very few exceptions) can vote. Limiting that is anti-American.

Well that’s not how it used to be and America was great

Limiting the voices of Americans is not the way to go.

The fact that it used to be that only landowners could vote was not what made America great. You are guilty of a causal fallacy.

Contribute to America pay a poll tax,, if your not working, you can achieve the right to vote if you work hard

First you will have to get enough votes to amend the US Constitution. The 24th amendment specifically outlawed poll taxes.

Easy

Women make up 51% of the population. They could stop it. Add minorities in and it would be a slam-dunk to fail.

woman actually voted against the right to vote lol

How about we make it so that only honorably discharged veterans can vote? If you don't want to serve in the military, some sort of Peace Corp like service. Earn your right to vote.

Tax payers shouldn’t vote?

Women and minorities pay taxes, and you want to take away their vote.

I don’t consider anti Americans citizens , growing up with Hatians and latinos they all said fcuk America, give them a test with some interesting questions if they pass they can vote

In general I think that once someone has served their time, they should be fully re-enfranchised- both with the vote and their right to own guns.
Except- in my opinion- those who have committed a crime with a gun, or other weapon.

I am curious to see where Republicans go with this- so far generally like in Florida- Republicans are doing what they can to prevent ex-cons from voting. Will they have the same reluctance with firearms?

There should be no restrictions to gun ownership in America.. as far as voting you should not vote if you’re not paying taxes, except for some jobs, like military. Woman shouldn’t be allowed to vote because they can’t fight in war like men can, and they vote with emotion not logic, and there should be a test to vote to keep minorities from voting. They don’t like America anyway

Jeez, you want to restrict it to all white males voting, but have absolutely no restrictions on gun ownership? What a surprise.

No. Any American citizen over the age of 18 (with very few exceptions) can vote. Limiting that is anti-American.

Well that’s not how it used to be and America was great

Limiting the voices of Americans is not the way to go.

The fact that it used to be that only landowners could vote was not what made America great. You are guilty of a causal fallacy.

Contribute to America pay a poll tax,, if your not working, you can achieve the right to vote if you work hard

First you will have to get enough votes to amend the US Constitution. The 24th amendment specifically outlawed poll taxes.

Easy

Women make up 51% of the population. They could stop it. Add minorities in and it would be a slam-dunk to fail.

woman actually voted against the right to vote lol

How about we make it so that only honorably discharged veterans can vote? If you don't want to serve in the military, some sort of Peace Corp like service. Earn your right to vote.

Tax payers shouldn’t vote?

Women and minorities pay taxes, and you want to take away their vote.

I don’t consider anti Americans citizens , growing up with Hatians and latinos they all said fcuk America, give them a test with some interesting questions if they pass they can vote

I specifically mentioned citizens. Haitians and latinoes who have become citizens have to have a test to vote? But white Americans don't? I've know too many white Americans who are dumb as dirt.

And women? YOu want to take away their vote even though they pay taxes.

An honorable discharge or some sort of approved volunteer work for 3 years. Sounds like a good way to earn your vote.

If you poll 10 hatians if they like America and 9 out of ten says they want to burn it down then yes we have a issue. And that’s what I’m hearing in the community. What should we do if these refugees are saying these things??

Are they citizens? No. So your point is moot.

how many refugees can this country take that hate America can you give me a number?

I have no idea. But since we are talking about who can vote, it doesn't matter. That is a completely different topic.

Lol answer the question tough guy

It is a stupid question that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic we are discussing. Answer it yourself. But since they are not citizens, they cannot vote anyway.

We’re having a discussion and debate about voting in America. I live in a city where a large population of refugees and they openly say they hate America.. So I’m asking you how many refugees like this can America take since you want them to vote.. WE CAN AMEND ANYTHING THAT MAKES AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

And yes, we CAN amend the US Constitution. But it is not easily done. Nor should it be. The US Constitution is the basis and bedrock of our great nation. Changing it requires more than just a majority in a local vote.

We need to fix america AMEND alllll DAY long, talk to smart woman ( that love america) many will say woman shouldn't vote, they vote of emotion. they cant soley fight on the front line, and can get men hurt if they were, many in reality pay no taxes because they should be home engineering a family, this lala land dems have created is ridiculous, the oes with the biggest mouth live in urban areas with lots of cops so other woman cant confront them for the conflict they cause.

todays immigration has destroyed american urban areas, the refugess we let in.. NEEDS to be changed 30 years ago.

if you were for the constitution you would be in urban areas protesting the lack of privacy, the police state, no second amendment rights. kids getting gunned down arent getting justice, they are getting lynched. so take your fake outrage and shove it up your ass

I'd like to interject for a moment. This is not intended to take sides, but rather to understand your point and to put things in their proper context.

First off, who should get to vote? Early in this country's history only free white landowners were allowed the privilege of voting. The reason was, only whites could become citizens AND the people who founded our Republic believed that if you were a taxpaying landowner you had some skin in the game (something to lose) and, consequently, as heads of the house and having something to lose, they should be the ones who had a privilege to vote. This probably makes sense, even in today's world, if widows who continued to work the land after their husband's death could cast their late husband's vote.

Why should people who do not own land or businesses be able to reach into the pockets of landowners and business to tell them how to spend the money they earned? Why should an apartment dweller be able to reach into the hands of a homeowner and have the homeowner held responsible for educating the apartment dweller's children? So, how do you feel about that kind of America?

I have to disagree with what you say relative to immigration. Then, again, that's because we tend to misuse the word. Immigration is defined in legal dictionaries as people coming here for permanent residence. That automatically implies that anyone who washes up on our shores to participate in the free market should become a citizen. And, so, in order to quell the type of people who became MAGA supporters, the government offered seven amnesty periods from the mid 1980s to about 2001. The right bitched about so - called "illegal immigration" (a misnomer at best) and the politicians simply gave citizenship to undocumented foreigners. Problem solved. You got to be careful what you wish for.

If not for the right, we would not have the POLICE STATE and the lack of privacy. Believe it or not, the Democrats (the ones who run the show) want the swill that Donald Trump is selling. The Democrats proposed it first! They put up token opposition to it only because if the Ds pretend to be against something, the Rs are almost obligated to support the idea. The whole issue is so convoluted that neither side wants to revisit history and find out how they are being played by outside forces. So, now putting that into perspective, how does that make you feel?

Many black people voted, many non land owners voted, some had Privileges given to them, poll taxes etc... so no need to start with fake news, I’m
In a urban city and saw wht todays immigration has done and have talked about it many times. Education, jobs, I’ll give you an example if I was a drunk in 1890-1950, just pre Latinos, I could grab a job as a dishwasher somewhere, get my shit together rejoin society,, today the wages and other factors keep the down and out on the streets.. I see thousands of meth heads walking the streets, with out the options of taking these jobs to sober up, immigration has destroyed our urban areas. I can get into sitting in classrooms not with just different languages but a culture that has no interest in learning our culture and assimilating...

We need to take care of Americans, period

Fake news? You need to take a few courses in American history and basic civics. Blacks were barred from voting until the Republicans illegally ratified the 14th Amendment in 1868. From the time of the Declaration of Independence until the 14th Amendment - almost a century, blacks weren't even considered people. They were only counted as 3/5th of a person in the Constitution (and the wording is still in the Constitution.)

Just so we're clear here, you need to get your head screwed on right. The reason your guys cannot get their excrement back together and rejoin society is due to the fact that the right got played. You worry and fret over so - called "illegal immigration," but you can't get a second chance because the MAGA types (before they were MAGA) wanted the ultimate POLICE STATE. When employers can violate your Fourth Amendment Rights by requiring a drug test; when the employer has access to your criminal history (which is irrelevant for 90 percent of most jobs AND employers are not qualified to assess the information in your criminal history), then you're locked out of the job market. It was the Tea Party Republicans (and the politicians they embraced) that gave you the so - called "Patriot Act," the National ID / REAL ID Act - E Verify, 24 / 7 / 365 womb to the tomb monitoring, the Dept. of Homeland (IN) Security, prove this, prove that, more licenses, permits, etc., etc. that is keeping you locked out of the job market. Foreigners that you like to call "illegals" are only benefiting off of the Americans failed political strategies AND our own culture.

I tried to help the downtrodden to get jobs, an education, etc. and wound up being blackmailed by a couple of guys of which I have to provide their lifestyle free of charge. Our society did much the same thing and half the people were already dependent upon the government for at least some portion of their living BEFORE the pandemic. You're scapegoating people and unwilling to step up to the plate. If we want better things for our country, WE have to become better people. We have to change our culture.

your Talking about the right for blacks to vote,, I’m
Talking about some blacks did vote, before that..

And you aren’t listing to what I’m
Saying and are out of touch with what’s happening in urban areas. I’m here born and raised And I know I’m
Right, Americans first! Stop with your republicans did this shit, I want to fix it. This is an American problem

I'm only recounting history as it happened. I was born and grew up here, but just not in the time period of 1620 through 1868. If you want to fix what is wrong with America, I'd say you took the first step by admitting it is an American problem. Change your culture and you fix the problems. Look at this from my point:

In the next room over from my office is a bedroom. In that bedroom is a white piece of shit that isn't worth a damn. It's about 2:30 pm and I've been to the grocery store, filed some papers in court, took care of some business to make a few dollars and have posted here a couple of times. That mofo will not get out of bed until about 4 pm. at which time"mommy" will be here and he can tell her what he wants to eat. In his waking hours this POS will be smoking cigarettes and weed, running around with a hairdo that resembles one of the old Mel Gibson Road Warrior movies. He will be wearing a Misfits t shirt or one of Marilyn Manson. He will stay up, going out with friends to play with his guitar. He can't pass a drug test; he's rarely held a job for more than a few weeks, and even his car was given to him by mommy. He has no high school education, no job skills, no interpersonal skills, and you cannot have a serious conversation with him without him coming unhinged. slamming shit around and storming out the door like a spoiled brat.

He is not an anomaly. He is the typical white male that happens to be in his 20s to 30s. Nobody is going to hire these people for any meaningful job. They don't deserve it. And if that cocksucker's mother weren't blackmailing me, I'd spank his ass with a belt, make him get a human haircut, put on some decent clothes and get a job. The Mexicans stole my job shit don't cut it with me. The problem is with "mommy." I don't know any white kids (and I mean those 18 to mid 30s) that have a real job. They only want to spend enough hours on a job to earn some drug money and the stupid ass women in this country think their baby has emotional issues and can't handle a job. I have to hire Mexicans sometimes because the white guys don't show up. You think I like that situation? I'll tell you one damn thing. Nobody in this neighborhood ever has the balls to say anything negative about what I do to my face. If they did, they know I'd spit in their face and dare them to do anything about it.

Women have voted themselves all these protections and they get in the way of men disciplining children. If you're over 18 and living in mommy's house, you are a child. Most of the time, on the Internet, I notice WHEN people post. If you don't have a job yourself and it's 2:30 pm on Tuesday, your problem would be obvious. Your full time job when you're unemployed is to look for a job, not post on the Internet. The average white American (they make up 90 percent of those using so - called "illegal immigrants" as an excuse) started out taking "legal" drugs at the behest of the parents, the schools, the government, doctors and Big Pharma. They had "emotional issues" like the phony conditions of ADD / ADHD. From there, forward, America was a big candy store of legal and illegal drugs: heroin, weed, meth, pain pills, opioids, SSRIs, etc., etc. By the time they are in their 20s they have a criminal record, a drug habit, bad teeth, tattoos, body piercings, and body odor from their lifestyle. What they do not have is a high school diploma, a job history, any skill sets, initiative, drive, problem solving skills or any sense of responsibility. If you were a businessman that hoped he'd make a profit so he could feed his family, you wouldn't hire these pieces of human garbage either. When we are the nation that is the drug abuser capital of the world (we consume over 80 percent of the world's opioid supply alone), then foreigners are a symptom.

Deporting them will not get you a job. It won't eliminate a criminal history nor will it give you a high school diploma. All it will do is drive companies out of the United States and then you will REALLY have a third world country. Be the first in your neighborhood. Change your culture.

Great post.
Just one comment- I work in a company that consists of mostly young white men in their 20's and 30's- and they are all mostly kick-ass brilliant hard workers. As someone considerably older- I am impressed as hell by these guys- and the gals too.

You really ought to see the people in my neighborhood. Rich and poor; they all rely on their parents and "mommy" puts them before all else in life, never expecting anything from them. After I had major surgery, my wife took advantage by moving one son in here. He was as described earlier. One day he throws a belt around my neck without any advance notice. I had left my Makarov at the computer as it was poking me in the back. If not for that, he'd be dead. When that fight ended, he wound up with a fractured arm and his wrist broken in two places. After he healed up, my wife paid a couple of months rent for him to live in a room in someone's home. Then she moves another POS son in on me. Since I'm not making the money I used to, she threatens me with the loss of insurance. I don't know what they will do when I get back on my feet physically and financially, but I intend to set an example for those scumbags that take advantage of the current situation relative to our laws and culture.

I'm going to suggest a divorce, as soon as it's feasible, guy..... life is too short for that shit.

My insurance is $800 a month and the doctors refuse to release me, saying I will never work again. So, I am planning on building my own way of making a living outside of the disability check and one day she will come home and I'll be gone with no forwarding address. The thing of it is, she kept the situation these two were in a secret the whole time I knew her. In reality, one son was living with his grandmother under the pretext of taking care of her; the other was supposedly just temporarily out of a job. She was financing both of them. When I found out that they know my insurance salesman and other people I do business with - and all of them know people in the same boat, it's left me with a bad taste in my mouth.

The straw that broke the camel's back was one time I attempted to do a concrete job. I had six guys hired for the job at $20 an hour for laborers. FIVE were no shows; that left me with running down to a strip mall, hiring six non - English speaking guys that, fortunately, knew what to do. It's not like once you order concrete, you turn the truck back and tell them to come back in a day or two. I've since not had much sympathy for people blaming the runts from south of the border since.

 

[WinterBorn]

I’m going to have a huge second amendment rally in Boston, July 4th- 7th celebrating gun’s and freedom! We will be camping out in the commons, and your back yards, drinking beer and roasting HOG! And there’s nothing the mayor can do about it, we don’t need security, all
We
Need is freedom!!

I see you still have no respect for the private property of others.

And if someone wants you out of their yard, the cops will remove you. Pretending otherwise is a waste of time.

Cops? Haha

Yep, cops. You think you will ignore them and they will just shrug their shoulders and leave. If it escalates, they will use whatever resources they have to remove you.

Thousands and thousands of armed men even tanks!

Yes, perhaps thousands of people. But when they find out they are trespassing, most will leave. You think the police will back down and let you continue? Really?

No, they will not.

 

[Jitss617]

I’m going to have a huge second amendment rally in Boston, July 4th- 7th celebrating gun’s and freedom! We will be camping out in the commons, and your back yards, drinking beer and roasting HOG! And there’s nothing the mayor can do about it, we don’t need security, all
We
Need is freedom!!

I see you still have no respect for the private property of others.

And if someone wants you out of their yard, the cops will remove you. Pretending otherwise is a waste of time.

Cops? Haha

Yep, cops. You think you will ignore them and they will just shrug their shoulders and leave. If it escalates, they will use whatever resources they have to remove you.

Thousands and thousands of armed men even tanks!

Yes, perhaps thousands of people. But when they find out they are trespassing, most will leave. You think the police will back down and let you continue? Really?

No, they will not.

Well they will face a force never seen before! We have retired Navy seal Gallagher here.. stay home cops

 

[WinterBorn]

I’m going to have a huge second amendment rally in Boston, July 4th- 7th celebrating gun’s and freedom! We will be camping out in the commons, and your back yards, drinking beer and roasting HOG! And there’s nothing the mayor can do about it, we don’t need security, all
We
Need is freedom!!

I see you still have no respect for the private property of others.

And if someone wants you out of their yard, the cops will remove you. Pretending otherwise is a waste of time.

Cops? Haha

Yep, cops. You think you will ignore them and they will just shrug their shoulders and leave. If it escalates, they will use whatever resources they have to remove you.

Thousands and thousands of armed men even tanks!

Yes, perhaps thousands of people. But when they find out they are trespassing, most will leave. You think the police will back down and let you continue? Really?

No, they will not.

Well they will face a force never seen before! We have retired Navy seal Gallagher here.. stay home cops

More of your fantasies. Gallagher will not be a part of trespassing, much less attacking cops.

And the cops will call more cops and more cops. What you are fantasizing about is stupid.

 

[Jitss617]

I’m going to have a huge second amendment rally in Boston, July 4th- 7th celebrating gun’s and freedom! We will be camping out in the commons, and your back yards, drinking beer and roasting HOG! And there’s nothing the mayor can do about it, we don’t need security, all
We
Need is freedom!!

I see you still have no respect for the private property of others.

And if someone wants you out of their yard, the cops will remove you. Pretending otherwise is a waste of time.

Cops? Haha

Yep, cops. You think you will ignore them and they will just shrug their shoulders and leave. If it escalates, they will use whatever resources they have to remove you.

Thousands and thousands of armed men even tanks!

Yes, perhaps thousands of people. But when they find out they are trespassing, most will leave. You think the police will back down and let you continue? Really?

No, they will not.

Well they will face a force never seen before! We have retired Navy seal Gallagher here.. stay home cops

More of your fantasies. Gallagher will not be a part of trespassing, much less attacking cops.

And the cops will call more cops and more cops. What you are fantasizing about is stupid.

I never said I was gonna attack cops you liar.. force is a feeling.. kinda like what I do to you

 

[WinterBorn]

I’m going to have a huge second amendment rally in Boston, July 4th- 7th celebrating gun’s and freedom! We will be camping out in the commons, and your back yards, drinking beer and roasting HOG! And there’s nothing the mayor can do about it, we don’t need security, all
We
Need is freedom!!

I see you still have no respect for the private property of others.

And if someone wants you out of their yard, the cops will remove you. Pretending otherwise is a waste of time.

Cops? Haha

Yep, cops. You think you will ignore them and they will just shrug their shoulders and leave. If it escalates, they will use whatever resources they have to remove you.

Thousands and thousands of armed men even tanks!

Yes, perhaps thousands of people. But when they find out they are trespassing, most will leave. You think the police will back down and let you continue? Really?

No, they will not.

Well they will face a force never seen before! We have retired Navy seal Gallagher here.. stay home cops

More of your fantasies. Gallagher will not be a part of trespassing, much less attacking cops.

And the cops will call more cops and more cops. What you are fantasizing about is stupid.

I never said I was gonna attack cops you liar.. force is a feeling.. kinda like what I do to you

LMAO!! You are really into your fantasy tonight, aren't you?

But let me see if I have your plan right.

There is a big 2nd Amendment rally in Boston for the long 4th of July weekend.

You plan on camping and partying in other people's backyards. In other words, trespassing.
When the cops come, as they inevitably will, you think most of the people there will stand up to the cops and the cops will leave?

Is that about right?

First of all, the overwhelming majority of the people attending the rally will be law abiding citizens. When they find out the owner of the backyards you have been camping, drinking & eating in, don't want you there, they will leave. A few will probably want to kick the ass of the person who told them it was ok to camp there. They certainly won't hassle the cops who are there to get them to leave the land they have no permission to be on.

As for tanks, I doubt they will be much of a threat. Who ever owns them will happily move them rather than lose them. And while it sounds badass, you have no shells for the gun. So it is basically a big bulldozer with no blade.

 

[WinterBorn]

I’m going to have a huge second amendment rally in Boston, July 4th- 7th celebrating gun’s and freedom! We will be camping out in the commons, and your back yards, drinking beer and roasting HOG! And there’s nothing the mayor can do about it, we don’t need security, all
We
Need is freedom!!

I see you still have no respect for the private property of others.

And if someone wants you out of their yard, the cops will remove you. Pretending otherwise is a waste of time.

Cops? Haha

Yep, cops. You think you will ignore them and they will just shrug their shoulders and leave. If it escalates, they will use whatever resources they have to remove you.

Thousands and thousands of armed men even tanks!

Yes, perhaps thousands of people. But when they find out they are trespassing, most will leave. You think the police will back down and let you continue? Really?

No, they will not.

Well they will face a force never seen before! We have retired Navy seal Gallagher here.. stay home cops

More of your fantasies. Gallagher will not be a part of trespassing, much less attacking cops.

And the cops will call more cops and more cops. What you are fantasizing about is stupid.

I never said I was gonna attack cops you liar.. force is a feeling.. kinda like what I do to you

I didn't say you were. I said Gallagher would not be a part of attacking cops.

When the cops come to remove the trespassers, you will leave. Most will leave willingly. Most will also point out who told them they had permission to camp there.

 

[Levant]

I think I made it pretty clear that it was about doing a crime with a weapon.

Am I okay with reasonable gun restrictions? Yep- I don't have any problem with that. Do I also believe that Americans have a right to own a gun? Yes.
Am I okay with lifetime restrictions for gun use in a crime? Yes I am.

You really do hate the Constitution don't you?

Those two posts seem at odds with each other. Although Jitss617's contempt for the Constitution seems greater than yours, you're willing to toss it yourself for your own reasons... There's not that much room between the two of you - both authoritarians who are willing to toss the Constitution when it comes to their own pet peeves. Jitss617 just has more pet peeves than you do.

Do you think inmates should be allowed to have guns in prison? Do you think that someone on trial for a felony should be allowed to carry a gun in the court room during the trial?

In the United States, rights can be taken away through the process of law, and narrow exceptions are allowed. I see no connection with denying someone guilty of mail fraud who has served his time with denying him the right to own a gun. But I absolutely see a connection to denying someone who has been guilty of a crime associated with a weapon the right to own a gun.

And as far as Constitutionality- the Supreme Court agrees with me- and if you don't agree with the Supreme Court- well thats fine- but their opinion legally matters- and yours is just your opinion.

…[N]othing in our opinion(s) should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.”

Your quote says it all... Nothing in their "opinion(s)". The opinions of the Supreme Court are seldom unanimous proving that they are just opinions. One vote, one way or another, and their opinion goes another way. Even so, they explicitly excluded those other restrictions from their opinion because those issues were not before them.

There are really not many, but enough, cases where the Supreme Court has reversed itself. As I stated elsewhere, did the constitutionality of a thing change when they reversed themselves? Did the Constitution, itself, change? No; the "opinion" of the Court changed. They do not determine the constitutionality of a thing; they rule on the case before them and, in support of the case before them, they give opinions on the constitutionality of the key questions that got the case before them in the first place.

For the first 145 years of our country, Congress never considered that they had the power to pass a gun law. It was unconstitutional and they knew it. The left took advantage of the gang environment created by prohibition to act on their (the left's - as in Democrats) racism to pass the National Firearms Act, intended to keep powerful firearms out of the hands of black people but not out of richer whites.

For 149 years, there was no ban on felons owning guns - Congress knew it was unconstitutional. Felons got out of prison and their guns were waiting at home where they were supposed to be.

Only after 149 years, with the passage of the Federal Firearms Act in 1938, did Congress get the idea they could ban violent criminals from having firearms. It took another 30 years, until 1968, before the government thought they could get away with banning ALL felons from having firearms.

It was never constitutional, and the government always knew it wasn't constitutional.

Since I don't know you, I can't guess your political leanings and offer cases that you might consider unconstitutional regardless of what the Court says but I'll bet you know of decisions by the Court where you believe they incorrectly interpreted the Constitution. Share a few, would you please?

Let me address your last point first.
Certainly I think that the Court was wrong in many decisions- most notoriously Dredd Scott(though Jitler would probably agree with that court decision)- and much more recently Citizens United.
However, regardless of whether I agree or not- it is the decision of the Supreme Court which determines what is Constitutional or not. I have my opinion, you have your opinion- history will have an opinion- but in the end only two opinions matter- the legal opinions of the majority of the Supreme Court Justices- or the opinions of the majority of Americans expressed through the Amendment process.

As far as the rest of your argument- thanks for the history run down- whether or not Congress in 1880 considered prohibiting felons from owning firearms again to be unconstitutional is really pretty irrelevant- since Congress did eventually pass the bill, and the Supreme Court has upheld it. You may consider this to be a guns rights issue- but I consider this to be a ex-felons rights issue- in that I consider it in light with their re-enfranchisement.

Remember- it is the right- the Republicans- who are actively trying to thwart the will of voters in Florida- who voted to re-enfranchise felons who have served their time. But the Republicans who control the State legislature have multiple times tried to prevent that from happening and even are contemplating changing the State's initiative law so voters can't do that again. So this is not just a right or a left issue. Oh but it gets better- Republicans in Florida have tried to change the law to make it easier for felons to own guns- but harder for them to vote. How is that for consistency?

I happen to agree with the Supreme Court that individual rights can only be denied under very narrow circumstances that are clearly defined, and have a specific purpose. That is why I support felons being able to own guns again as long as they didn't commit a crime involving a weapon. If that bothers you, I can live with that.

No, the Court does NOT make a thing constitutional or unconstitutional. They render their agenda-driven opinions. Some justices have upholding the Constitution as an agenda - I like those guys. Others have global government as an agenda. Still others have destruction of the Constitution as an agenda, and others are party-driven political hacks and get their agenda delivered by email from their party bosses. But, in all cases, they vote their agenda, not necessarily the Constitution and I don't believe for a minute that you believe that all of the Justices are voting the Constitution as they understand it.

This is not a gun rights or a felon rights question. The question, far bigger than either of those, is whether the Court can make law and make it outside the constitutional authority given them and given the government.

Government is empowered, and limited, by the Constitution. Please provide a chain of authority that you believe supports the Court or the Congress exercising a power not explicitly granted in the Constitution. It is people like you who are the reason government is out of control and government tyranny exists - against the left or the right.

 

[Levant]

I’m going to have a huge second amendment rally in Boston, July 4th- 7th celebrating gun’s and freedom! We will be camping out in the commons, and your back yards, drinking beer and roasting HOG! And there’s nothing the mayor can do about it, we don’t need security, all
We
Need is freedom!!

I see you still have no respect for the private property of others.

And if someone wants you out of their yard, the cops will remove you. Pretending otherwise is a waste of time.

Cops? Haha

Yep, cops. You think you will ignore them and they will just shrug their shoulders and leave. If it escalates, they will use whatever resources they have to remove you.

Thousands and thousands of armed men even tanks!

Yes, perhaps thousands of people. But when they find out they are trespassing, most will leave. You think the police will back down and let you continue? Really?

No, they will not.

Well they will face a force never seen before! We have retired Navy seal Gallagher here.. stay home cops

More of your fantasies. Gallagher will not be a part of trespassing, much less attacking cops.

And the cops will call more cops and more cops. What you are fantasizing about is stupid.

I had to decide whether to reply to your post or to Jitss617's post about Chief Gallagher. For better context, I chose yours because you're absolutely right. Chief Gallagher would support the police against idiots like Jitss617. When the law breaking starts, Chief Gallagher would either leave or walk across the thin blue line to stand with the police - as he should.

So, with that context, and no disrespect to the Chief Petty Officer, Chief Gallagher versus the entire Boston PD? Or even versus a handful of the Boston PD? Well, I wish our SEAL teams were that tough. If they were, Meduro, in Venezuela, would be dead today.

 

[Levant]

I’d like to see Bostonians own some business in Boston some day..

So, you live in Boston, right?

Quit whining like a little bitch and start your own Boston-based business. Get off your dead ass and set an example!

I've been seeing the commercials for the My Pillow guy's new autobiography. Jitss67 should buy and read his book. That's a much better approach for him. The guy is a convicted felon, drug addict, and worth 300+ million dollars. Most all of us make mistakes in life, some of them terrible mistakes that have life-long impacts, and change their ways, take responsibility for their own lives, and turn it around. Others whine on the Internet.

 

[Levant]

YOu are the one who only seems interested in women for sex.

Wait a second... maybe not just like jitss617, but as you stated it, I have that interest, too.

 

[Levant]

Sometimes traditions should be broken because they are outdated, archaic and just downright abusive.

So what’s America with out tradition ? Chicago?

What tradition? You'll have to be more specific.

Do people have the freedom to choose whether they follow a given tradition?

Of course, I was just asking you a question, again you dodge it like the coward you are

I dodge nothing. YOu ask about something as vague as "tradition", and now get pissy because someone doesn't answer with a Yes or No? lol

Exactly what traditions are you talking about?

There are a LOT of traditions in the country. You want to generalize and lump them all together?

it’s a family tradition.

Then it is a stupid tradition. If you can't specify a tradition, my answer stands.

Each individual decides which traditions they follow and which tradition they toss out.

Women should be at home taking care of the family that’s the only way you’re gonna keep America going

Oh, so women should not have career aspirations and goals beyond the home? Just negate their contributions so you don't have to do housework? lol

So nice of you to sacrifice other's freedom.

Of course the could, but if you country is full of single parents, stats show 77% of kids will end up breaking the law.

Got a link for that?

And what you are talking about is mostly the women abandoned by men or women running from abuse. Should those traditions be maintained?

By 1996, 70 percent of inmates in state juvenile detention centers serving long-term sentences were raised by single mothers. Seventy-two percent of juvenile murderers and 60 percent of rapists come from single-mother homes. Seventy percent of teenage births, dropouts, suicides, runaways, juvenile delinquents, and child murderers involve children raised by single mothers. Girls raised without fathers are more sexually promiscuous and more likely to end up divorced. A 1990 study by the Progressive Policy Institute showed that after controlling for single motherhood, the difference between black and white crime rates disappeared.

Various studies have come up with slightly different numbers, but all the figures are grim. According to the Index of Leading Cultural Indicators, children from single-parent families account for 63 percent of all youth suicides, 70 percent of all teenage pregnancies, 71 percent of all adolescent chemical/substance abuse, 80 percent of all prison inmates, and 90 percent of all homeless and runaway children.

A study cited in the Village Voice produced similar numbers. It found that children brought up in single-mother homes ‘are five times more likely to commit suicide, nine times more likely to drop out of high school, 10 times more likely to abuse chemical substances, 14 times more likely to commit rape (for the boys), 20 times more likely to end up in prison, and 32 times more likely to run away from home.’ Single motherhood is like a farm team for future criminals and social outcasts.

So no link, just more plagarism?

And there is a difference between your claim that 77% of kids from single parent homes will break the law, and stating that 70% of inmates at juvenile detention centers are from single parent homes.

And if you look at economic factors, being raised in a poor household will see almost the same percentages. Being poor is the problem more than having two parents.

And how do you plan to fix this? Will you force women to stay home? The reason 2 parent households do better is because there are 2 incomes, not because there are two parents.

And will you force women to stay in abusive situations, just to cut the number of single parent households?

10 million people a year are subjected to domestic violence every year. So it is not an isolated problem.

20 alarming domestic violence statistics

Domestic violence is a major issue in the U.S. and around the world, and many nonprofits work tirelessly to provide critical support and services to victims.

www.socialsolutions.com

Even if the violence is only directed towards the adult, witnessing the violence has a profound effect on children.

And none of the above problems even touch on whether women are free to choose their own life, as men are. Are women not free in the US?

Not near all divorces are for domestic violence. No one is trying to suggest any person should stay in a violent home situation. But there needs to be more commitment to each other, more willingness to give to a marriage. The same sense of entitlement that drives our welfare system exists even in those who are not in the welfare system and part of that is dumping marriages and children for convenience.

As a father and husband, I agree that there should be more commitment to each other and more willingness to give to a marriage. I will point out that the Right elected a poster child for dumping marriages and children for convenience- Trump is the leader of the United States- with 5 children with 3 wives, and a history of adultery. Unfortunately that is the example Americans have for commitment to marriage.

I completely agree that the right did just what you said. It was him or Hillary and we had no choice at that point. The nation would have been far better, more stable, and have a brighter future had Ted Cruz won the election. Unfortunately, the leftist Republican former governor of Ohio was successful in his attempt to make sure Cruz did not win. I'm not sure who was pulling his strings but they pulled them quite brilliantly.

 

[Levant]

Fuck the felons and their constitutional rights.

It’s not that hard to get through life without committing a major crime.

If you can’t conduct yourself in a civilized manner, then you deserve nothing.

If you have never done something in your life that the government would have you imprisoned or executed for, then odds are, you are a statist pussy, IMO.

Obedience to the Man is not a virtue.

So tell us more about the crimes you have committed.

Did you ever use any illegal drug? Any prescription pain killer other than for the pain the prescription was written or after a year when the prescription is legally considered expired? Did you ever drive drunk but got lucky and got home? Were you ever drunk in public? Ever lie by even a dollar on your taxes? Did you ever urinate in a public place, even if out of sight? Do you have any library books that you forgot to take back for so long that it seemed pointless so you kept them? Did you ever make a home repair that required a permit but you did it without anyway? Did you ever drive over 100 MPH just to try it out?

I have to my knowledge- never done anything that would considered a felony. How about you?

I escaped from juvenile hall.. I guess they could have charged me with a felony for that.

 

[WinterBorn]

I’d like to see Bostonians own some business in Boston some day..

So, you live in Boston, right?

Quit whining like a little bitch and start your own Boston-based business. Get off your dead ass and set an example!

I've been seeing the commercials for the My Pillow guy's new autobiography. Jitss67 should buy and read his book. That's a much better approach for him. The guy is a convicted felon, drug addict, and worth 300+ million dollars. Most all of us make mistakes in life, some of them terrible mistakes that have life-long impacts, and change their ways, take responsibility for their own lives, and turn it around. Others whine on the Internet.

I have suggested some ways Jitsie could improve his lot in life. I think he'd rather just whine about what the Democrats have done to him.