Second amendment, should felons be allowed to own guns?

[Jitss617]

I don't know today but when I had my FFL a "felon" could get a "go" for a firearm from a judge who would look at the crimes and sign certain ones off. Fraudsters, dope possession,car-bike theft, general scammers.Non-violent background or guys who were 40 .....and fucked up when they were 20, "could" get a pass to get a gun to hunt or whatever back in those days. It took a while.I want to say the same sign-off got them back the right to vote too but that was too long ago for details.

I'm pretty sure you can still get a judge to restore your ability to own a firearm. A guy I worked with some years ago did it.

But if you have, as Jitsie claims he does, multiple felonies for violent behavior, I doubt a judge would sign off on it.

Democrats won’t fund that agency that restores gun rights

Won't fund the agency that restores gun rights? We are talking about a judge signing off on a felon getting his gun rights back.

Are you saying the Dems won't fund the DOJ?

There’s a process you have to go through in that department will not be funded by Democrats

What process? You will probably need to hire a lawyer, but that is not something that someone would fund.

I just told you what needs to be done Pay attention

You said there was a process. What process?

The department is closed , Democrats won’t fund it

What department? Did they fire all the judges?

No funding ,,

 

[WinterBorn]

to the original question: there is not a lot of gray area here. If one believes in the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment, as strongly as is often proclaimed, , then, yes, felons should be able to acquire any firearm they so desire. as should the insane. As should those who profess support for Sharia law. And so on, and so on.

That’s America and I love it

Actually, it is not America. Those who have been diagnosed with serious mental illnesses cannot buy a gun from a dealer. And it has been that way for over 50 years.

They never really did, no need for a law

What? So you think certifiably insane people never really bought guns? lol Okey dokey then. Pulled that "fact" out of your ass, didja?

Whatever you say anti-trump

I say your claim that the certifiably insane never really bought guns is ridiculous.

That’s not what I said snowflake

Wow. Let's review.

I said "Those who have been diagnosed with serious mental illnesses cannot buy a gun from a dealer. And it has been that way for over 50 years.".

You replied "They never really did, no need for a law".

Ummm, how is it you now claim you didn't say that?

Can you read?

Quite well, thanks you.

And your reply is there saying "They never really did, no need for a law".

 

[WinterBorn]

I don't know today but when I had my FFL a "felon" could get a "go" for a firearm from a judge who would look at the crimes and sign certain ones off. Fraudsters, dope possession,car-bike theft, general scammers.Non-violent background or guys who were 40 .....and fucked up when they were 20, "could" get a pass to get a gun to hunt or whatever back in those days. It took a while.I want to say the same sign-off got them back the right to vote too but that was too long ago for details.

I'm pretty sure you can still get a judge to restore your ability to own a firearm. A guy I worked with some years ago did it.

But if you have, as Jitsie claims he does, multiple felonies for violent behavior, I doubt a judge would sign off on it.

Democrats won’t fund that agency that restores gun rights

Won't fund the agency that restores gun rights? We are talking about a judge signing off on a felon getting his gun rights back.

Are you saying the Dems won't fund the DOJ?

There’s a process you have to go through in that department will not be funded by Democrats

What process? You will probably need to hire a lawyer, but that is not something that someone would fund.

I just told you what needs to be done Pay attention

You said there was a process. What process?

The department is closed , Democrats won’t fund it

What department? Did they fire all the judges?

No funding ,,

What needs funding?

According to this web site, linked in the link provided by airplanemechanic, the law is in place already.

from: 50-State Comparison: Loss & Restoration of Civil/Firearms Rights
"All firearms rights for felony or serious misdemeanor; long gun rights restored after 5 yrs except for drugs or violence (pardon). Mass. Gen. Laws ch. 140, §§ 131(d)(i), 129B(1)."

So after 5 years, except for drug offenses or violent felonies, you can buy long guns. If you get a pardon, you can get all the rights restored.

You keep saying it is not funded, but refuse to say exactly what is not funded.

 

[WinterBorn]

I don't know today but when I had my FFL a "felon" could get a "go" for a firearm from a judge who would look at the crimes and sign certain ones off. Fraudsters, dope possession,car-bike theft, general scammers.Non-violent background or guys who were 40 .....and fucked up when they were 20, "could" get a pass to get a gun to hunt or whatever back in those days. It took a while.I want to say the same sign-off got them back the right to vote too but that was too long ago for details.

I'm pretty sure you can still get a judge to restore your ability to own a firearm. A guy I worked with some years ago did it.

But if you have, as Jitsie claims he does, multiple felonies for violent behavior, I doubt a judge would sign off on it.

Democrats won’t fund that agency that restores gun rights

Won't fund the agency that restores gun rights? We are talking about a judge signing off on a felon getting his gun rights back.

Are you saying the Dems won't fund the DOJ?

There’s a process you have to go through in that department will not be funded by Democrats

What process? You will probably need to hire a lawyer, but that is not something that someone would fund.

I just told you what needs to be done Pay attention

You said there was a process. What process?

The department is closed , Democrats won’t fund it

What department? Did they fire all the judges?

No funding ,,

Quit dodging.

Ok, here is a simple way to give an answer. If the democrats DID fund it, where would the funding go? To what agency?

 

[Jitss617]

to the original question: there is not a lot of gray area here. If one believes in the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment, as strongly as is often proclaimed, , then, yes, felons should be able to acquire any firearm they so desire. as should the insane. As should those who profess support for Sharia law. And so on, and so on.

That’s America and I love it

Actually, it is not America. Those who have been diagnosed with serious mental illnesses cannot buy a gun from a dealer. And it has been that way for over 50 years.

They never really did, no need for a law

What? So you think certifiably insane people never really bought guns? lol Okey dokey then. Pulled that "fact" out of your ass, didja?

Whatever you say anti-trump

I say your claim that the certifiably insane never really bought guns is ridiculous.

That’s not what I said snowflake

Wow. Let's review.

I said "Those who have been diagnosed with serious mental illnesses cannot buy a gun from a dealer. And it has been that way for over 50 years.".

You replied "They never really did, no need for a law".

Ummm, how is it you now claim you didn't say that?

Can you read?

Quite well, thanks you.

And your reply is there saying "They never really did, no need for a law".

That means they really never really shopped for guns not seeing one or two might’ve .. But most didn’t

 

[Jitss617]

I don't know today but when I had my FFL a "felon" could get a "go" for a firearm from a judge who would look at the crimes and sign certain ones off. Fraudsters, dope possession,car-bike theft, general scammers.Non-violent background or guys who were 40 .....and fucked up when they were 20, "could" get a pass to get a gun to hunt or whatever back in those days. It took a while.I want to say the same sign-off got them back the right to vote too but that was too long ago for details.

I'm pretty sure you can still get a judge to restore your ability to own a firearm. A guy I worked with some years ago did it.

But if you have, as Jitsie claims he does, multiple felonies for violent behavior, I doubt a judge would sign off on it.

Democrats won’t fund that agency that restores gun rights

Won't fund the agency that restores gun rights? We are talking about a judge signing off on a felon getting his gun rights back.

Are you saying the Dems won't fund the DOJ?

There’s a process you have to go through in that department will not be funded by Democrats

What process? You will probably need to hire a lawyer, but that is not something that someone would fund.

I just told you what needs to be done Pay attention

You said there was a process. What process?

The department is closed , Democrats won’t fund it

What department? Did they fire all the judges?

No funding ,,

Quit dodging.

Ok, here is a simple way to give an answer. If the democrats DID fund it, where would the funding go? To what agency?

I’m not searching for it right now but you can Google it felons second amendment

 

[WinterBorn]

to the original question: there is not a lot of gray area here. If one believes in the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment, as strongly as is often proclaimed, , then, yes, felons should be able to acquire any firearm they so desire. as should the insane. As should those who profess support for Sharia law. And so on, and so on.

That’s America and I love it

Actually, it is not America. Those who have been diagnosed with serious mental illnesses cannot buy a gun from a dealer. And it has been that way for over 50 years.

They never really did, no need for a law

What? So you think certifiably insane people never really bought guns? lol Okey dokey then. Pulled that "fact" out of your ass, didja?

Whatever you say anti-trump

I say your claim that the certifiably insane never really bought guns is ridiculous.

That’s not what I said snowflake

Wow. Let's review.

I said "Those who have been diagnosed with serious mental illnesses cannot buy a gun from a dealer. And it has been that way for over 50 years.".

You replied "They never really did, no need for a law".

Ummm, how is it you now claim you didn't say that?

Can you read?

Quite well, thanks you.

And your reply is there saying "They never really did, no need for a law".

That means they really never really shopped for guns not seeing one or two might’ve .. But most didn’t

lol! And you got this info from where?

Funny that you first claimed it wasn't what you said. Now you are repeating the same bullshit.

Do you want the certifiably insane to be able to buy guns?

 

[WinterBorn]

I don't know today but when I had my FFL a "felon" could get a "go" for a firearm from a judge who would look at the crimes and sign certain ones off. Fraudsters, dope possession,car-bike theft, general scammers.Non-violent background or guys who were 40 .....and fucked up when they were 20, "could" get a pass to get a gun to hunt or whatever back in those days. It took a while.I want to say the same sign-off got them back the right to vote too but that was too long ago for details.

I'm pretty sure you can still get a judge to restore your ability to own a firearm. A guy I worked with some years ago did it.

But if you have, as Jitsie claims he does, multiple felonies for violent behavior, I doubt a judge would sign off on it.

Democrats won’t fund that agency that restores gun rights

Won't fund the agency that restores gun rights? We are talking about a judge signing off on a felon getting his gun rights back.

Are you saying the Dems won't fund the DOJ?

There’s a process you have to go through in that department will not be funded by Democrats

What process? You will probably need to hire a lawyer, but that is not something that someone would fund.

I just told you what needs to be done Pay attention

You said there was a process. What process?

The department is closed , Democrats won’t fund it

What department? Did they fire all the judges?

No funding ,,

Quit dodging.

Ok, here is a simple way to give an answer. If the democrats DID fund it, where would the funding go? To what agency?

I’m not searching for it right now but you can Google it felons second amendment

Riiight. Just keep repeating that the dems won't fund the agency. Massachusetts has a republican governor, but you just stick with your original and vague claim.

 

[Jitss617]

to the original question: there is not a lot of gray area here. If one believes in the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment, as strongly as is often proclaimed, , then, yes, felons should be able to acquire any firearm they so desire. as should the insane. As should those who profess support for Sharia law. And so on, and so on.

That’s America and I love it

Actually, it is not America. Those who have been diagnosed with serious mental illnesses cannot buy a gun from a dealer. And it has been that way for over 50 years.

They never really did, no need for a law

What? So you think certifiably insane people never really bought guns? lol Okey dokey then. Pulled that "fact" out of your ass, didja?

Whatever you say anti-trump

I say your claim that the certifiably insane never really bought guns is ridiculous.

That’s not what I said snowflake

Wow. Let's review.

I said "Those who have been diagnosed with serious mental illnesses cannot buy a gun from a dealer. And it has been that way for over 50 years.".

You replied "They never really did, no need for a law".

Ummm, how is it you now claim you didn't say that?

Can you read?

Quite well, thanks you.

And your reply is there saying "They never really did, no need for a law".

That means they really never really shopped for guns not seeing one or two might’ve .. But most didn’t

lol! And you got this info from where?

Funny that you first claimed it wasn't what you said. Now you are repeating the same bullshit.

Do you want the certifiably insane to be able to buy guns?

That’s up to their caretakers you can get a gun and the caretakers could let them use it when they want to shoot

 

[Jitss617]

I don't know today but when I had my FFL a "felon" could get a "go" for a firearm from a judge who would look at the crimes and sign certain ones off. Fraudsters, dope possession,car-bike theft, general scammers.Non-violent background or guys who were 40 .....and fucked up when they were 20, "could" get a pass to get a gun to hunt or whatever back in those days. It took a while.I want to say the same sign-off got them back the right to vote too but that was too long ago for details.

I'm pretty sure you can still get a judge to restore your ability to own a firearm. A guy I worked with some years ago did it.

But if you have, as Jitsie claims he does, multiple felonies for violent behavior, I doubt a judge would sign off on it.

Democrats won’t fund that agency that restores gun rights

Won't fund the agency that restores gun rights? We are talking about a judge signing off on a felon getting his gun rights back.

Are you saying the Dems won't fund the DOJ?

There’s a process you have to go through in that department will not be funded by Democrats

What process? You will probably need to hire a lawyer, but that is not something that someone would fund.

I just told you what needs to be done Pay attention

You said there was a process. What process?

The department is closed , Democrats won’t fund it

What department? Did they fire all the judges?

No funding ,,

Quit dodging.

Ok, here is a simple way to give an answer. If the democrats DID fund it, where would the funding go? To what agency?

I’m not searching for it right now but you can Google it felons second amendment

Riiight. Just keep repeating that the dems won't fund the agency. Massachusetts has a republican governor, but you just stick with your original and vague claim.

He’s about as Republican as you are which is none

 

[WinterBorn]

to the original question: there is not a lot of gray area here. If one believes in the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment, as strongly as is often proclaimed, , then, yes, felons should be able to acquire any firearm they so desire. as should the insane. As should those who profess support for Sharia law. And so on, and so on.

That’s America and I love it

Actually, it is not America. Those who have been diagnosed with serious mental illnesses cannot buy a gun from a dealer. And it has been that way for over 50 years.

They never really did, no need for a law

What? So you think certifiably insane people never really bought guns? lol Okey dokey then. Pulled that "fact" out of your ass, didja?

Whatever you say anti-trump

I say your claim that the certifiably insane never really bought guns is ridiculous.

That’s not what I said snowflake

Wow. Let's review.

I said "Those who have been diagnosed with serious mental illnesses cannot buy a gun from a dealer. And it has been that way for over 50 years.".

You replied "They never really did, no need for a law".

Ummm, how is it you now claim you didn't say that?

Can you read?

Quite well, thanks you.

And your reply is there saying "They never really did, no need for a law".

That means they really never really shopped for guns not seeing one or two might’ve .. But most didn’t

lol! And you got this info from where?

Funny that you first claimed it wasn't what you said. Now you are repeating the same bullshit.

Do you want the certifiably insane to be able to buy guns?

That’s up to their caretakers you can get a gun and the caretakers could let them use it when they want to shoot

Assuming they have a caretaker?

So you are ok with a person who has been diagnosed as a schizophrenic buying a gun?

 

[WinterBorn]

I don't know today but when I had my FFL a "felon" could get a "go" for a firearm from a judge who would look at the crimes and sign certain ones off. Fraudsters, dope possession,car-bike theft, general scammers.Non-violent background or guys who were 40 .....and fucked up when they were 20, "could" get a pass to get a gun to hunt or whatever back in those days. It took a while.I want to say the same sign-off got them back the right to vote too but that was too long ago for details.

I'm pretty sure you can still get a judge to restore your ability to own a firearm. A guy I worked with some years ago did it.

But if you have, as Jitsie claims he does, multiple felonies for violent behavior, I doubt a judge would sign off on it.

Democrats won’t fund that agency that restores gun rights

Won't fund the agency that restores gun rights? We are talking about a judge signing off on a felon getting his gun rights back.

Are you saying the Dems won't fund the DOJ?

There’s a process you have to go through in that department will not be funded by Democrats

What process? You will probably need to hire a lawyer, but that is not something that someone would fund.

I just told you what needs to be done Pay attention

You said there was a process. What process?

The department is closed , Democrats won’t fund it

What department? Did they fire all the judges?

No funding ,,

Quit dodging.

Ok, here is a simple way to give an answer. If the democrats DID fund it, where would the funding go? To what agency?

I’m not searching for it right now but you can Google it felons second amendment

Riiight. Just keep repeating that the dems won't fund the agency. Massachusetts has a republican governor, but you just stick with your original and vague claim.

He’s about as Republican as you are which is none

So he isn't funding this mysterious agency either? lol

All it takes is that you hire a lawyer to file the paperwork requesting a review of your record and asking for a pardon.

You claim your felony was when you were 17 (of course, you also claimed to have numerous felonies). You have said you are in your early 40s. If you have been clean for 20+ years, it shouldn't be hard to get a pardon to restore your rights.

 

[Unkotare]

I have pics of you sleeping

Don't get weird, guy.

Way too late for that with jitler.

 

[Jitss617]

to the original question: there is not a lot of gray area here. If one believes in the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment, as strongly as is often proclaimed, , then, yes, felons should be able to acquire any firearm they so desire. as should the insane. As should those who profess support for Sharia law. And so on, and so on.

That’s America and I love it

Actually, it is not America. Those who have been diagnosed with serious mental illnesses cannot buy a gun from a dealer. And it has been that way for over 50 years.

They never really did, no need for a law

What? So you think certifiably insane people never really bought guns? lol Okey dokey then. Pulled that "fact" out of your ass, didja?

Whatever you say anti-trump

I say your claim that the certifiably insane never really bought guns is ridiculous.

That’s not what I said snowflake

Wow. Let's review.

I said "Those who have been diagnosed with serious mental illnesses cannot buy a gun from a dealer. And it has been that way for over 50 years.".

You replied "They never really did, no need for a law".

Ummm, how is it you now claim you didn't say that?

Can you read?

Quite well, thanks you.

And your reply is there saying "They never really did, no need for a law".

That means they really never really shopped for guns not seeing one or two might’ve .. But most didn’t

lol! And you got this info from where?

Funny that you first claimed it wasn't what you said. Now you are repeating the same bullshit.

Do you want the certifiably insane to be able to buy guns?

That’s up to their caretakers you can get a gun and the caretakers could let them use it when they want to shoot

Assuming they have a caretaker?

So you are ok with a person who has been diagnosed as a schizophrenic buying a gun?

Yes I am. I’m sure his mom will hold it and lock it up

 

[Jitss617]

I have pics of you sleeping

Don't get weird, guy.

Way too late for that with jitler.

Hey it’s The site troll what’s up buddy

 

[Likkmee]

to the original question: there is not a lot of gray area here. If one believes in the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment, as strongly as is often proclaimed, , then, yes, felons should be able to acquire any firearm they so desire. as should the insane. As should those who profess support for Sharia law. And so on, and so on.

That’s America and I love it

Actually, it is not America. Those who have been diagnosed with serious mental illnesses cannot buy a gun from a dealer. And it has been that way for over 50 years.

They never really did, no need for a law

What? So you think certifiably insane people never really bought guns? lol Okey dokey then. Pulled that "fact" out of your ass, didja?

Whatever you say anti-trump

I say your claim that the certifiably insane never really bought guns is ridiculous.

That’s not what I said snowflake

Wow. Let's review.

I said "Those who have been diagnosed with serious mental illnesses cannot buy a gun from a dealer. And it has been that way for over 50 years.".

You replied "They never really did, no need for a law".

Ummm, how is it you now claim you didn't say that?

Can you read?

Quite well, thanks you.

And your reply is there saying "They never really did, no need for a law".

That means they really never really shopped for guns not seeing one or two might’ve .. But most didn’t

lol! And you got this info from where?

Funny that you first claimed it wasn't what you said. Now you are repeating the same bullshit.

Do you want the certifiably insane to be able to buy guns?

That’s up to their caretakers you can get a gun and the caretakers could let them use it when they want to shoot

Assuming they have a caretaker?

So you are ok with a person who has been diagnosed as a schizophrenic buying a gun?

Sure, It's the norm. You don't have cops where you live ?

 

[MindWars]

I’m in the city which is over oppressive, my schools were overrun with illegal immigrants and refugees that added no value to my culture. I fell behind the lines made some mistakes should I be allowed to own a gun to protect my self a family?

Yep as long as they did their time and no murder has been involved other than that fk those demonic pigs who stripped away the American rights which is totally UNCONSTITUTIONAL as usual.

Even in the 1800's they gave them their gawd dam guns back after jail time.

 

[Asclepias]

Yes

depends on the offense. if you were convicted of a violent crime, then no, you shouldn't be allowed to ever own a firearm.

other than that - if you paid yer dues & are no longer on probation/parole, then full rights should be restored.

I know a guy that was in a basketball game, his teammate got shoved, it was a all out brawl, he was getting hit, he swung and knocked a guy out, broke his jaw, judge put him in jail, he’s out now, does he have the right to own a gun? He lives in a dangerous neon.

So he got convicted of a violent crime right?

yes he punched a guy in the face in a brawl at a basketball game

When you become a convict you give up the right to own a gun. Consequences.

Well , it used to be if you became a FELON you gave up your right to vote. But since liberals love their criminals, they now allow many to vote because the liberals say if they have done their time, they should get to vote again. If that is the way, then they should have all rights restored, not selective rights as you assholes want...

I'm fine with ex cons or cons voting. You cant shoot anyone with a vote.

 

[Asclepias]

When you become a convict you give up the right to own a gun.

Only inalienable rights (grants and privileges) can be taken or given or given up.
Unalineabe rights are inherent, therefore not tangible, therefore cannot be given, taken, passed on etc.
They can only be restricted or ignored. The 2nd amendment clearly states: shall not be infringed- there are no caveats in shall not.

So why cant you own a LAW or hell...a nuclear weapon?

do you think those that do own nukes should have them????

Nothing in history more murderous than government, and yet there are still people who think they should decide who is armed and empowered?

You voted those people into power. You made that decision.

There's some truth to that, but it's also true that almost all of those people immediately begin ignoring the limits of the position they were elected to, and begin asserting power they were never given.

This is what the tar, feathers, ropes, and guns are for.

See this is where you guys lose me. You claim you have all these rights and the ordinance to protect them and in the next breath you claim youre being abused. Why arent you attacking the government for taking away your rights?

because they made laws that make them better armed than us,,,

but not enough that we will remain silent about it or stop fighting to get them back,,,

You do realize when you vote people into power you give them the authority to make laws that may affect you right?

...and quite often they do the wrong thing. That is why the right to keep and bear arms is included in the list of inalieable rights. To correct the wrong if needed.

But no one has ever successfully defended those rights to date. The get Waco'd

No, there have been a couple cases where guys won in court after shooting cops for kicking in their doors, but those cases don't get much press..... for reasons that should be obvious.

True but thats not the same thing. Someone kicks in my door they will get shot but not because I'm protecting my rights?

What are you protecting then?

My life and the lives of those I love.

Do you and your loved ones have the right to live in peace?

No. Who told you that you had a right to peace? The essence of life is noisy. Its reacting and acting within your environment to stay alive. The only absolute is that you survive and even thats not a right.

Okay, do you have a right to defend your life and that of your loved ones?
Do you have the right to try?

Or are you just livestock?

Nope you dont have the right to do anything except die and if medical staff is available not even that if they can keep you alive. Correct me if I am wrong but isnt a right something that can be forcibly taken from you? If so, what is it that cannot be forcibly taken from you? A right is simply something someone bestowed on you.

Its not an either or question. I may not have a right but I am damn sure going to do what I need to until I am unable to do it.

I disagree.

Thats only because you believe in smoky, wispy, hard to hold things like rights as if someone cant come and take them away from you instantly by putting 2 in your dome. So lets say I said yes I have the right to defend my life. What is that even worth? I can believe that with all my heart and soul but someone could catch me with my guard down and kill me. I'm pretty sure the last thing I would be thinking is that I have a right to defend myself.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Yes

depends on the offense. if you were convicted of a violent crime, then no, you shouldn't be allowed to ever own a firearm.

other than that - if you paid yer dues & are no longer on probation/parole, then full rights should be restored.

I know a guy that was in a basketball game, his teammate got shoved, it was a all out brawl, he was getting hit, he swung and knocked a guy out, broke his jaw, judge put him in jail, he’s out now, does he have the right to own a gun? He lives in a dangerous neon.

So he got convicted of a violent crime right?

yes he punched a guy in the face in a brawl at a basketball game

When you become a convict you give up the right to own a gun. Consequences.

Well , it used to be if you became a FELON you gave up your right to vote. But since liberals love their criminals, they now allow many to vote because the liberals say if they have done their time, they should get to vote again. If that is the way, then they should have all rights restored, not selective rights as you assholes want...

I'm fine with ex cons or cons voting. You cant shoot anyone with a vote.

But if they did their time why cant you trust the ex con with a weapon, it is far less dangerous than a vote.