Seahawks SUCK !!!!

[HUGGY]

Best Defensive play EEVVAAAAHHHH !!!!!!

That play right on the goal line where Thomas knocks the ball out of the offensive dudes hands just as he is an inch from the goal line and the ball goes into and out of the end zone...

Saves a game changing TD and the ball goes to the Seahawks on the 20...

Best EVER !!!!

 

[LA RAM FAN]

still waiting for your reply huggy to post #73.

 

[HUGGY]

 

[BluePhantom]

Best Defensive play EEVVAAAAHHHH !!!!!!

That play right on the goal line where Thomas knocks the ball out of the offensive dudes hands just as he is an inch from the goal line and the ball goes into and out of the end zone...

Saves a game changing TD and the ball goes to the Seahawks on the 20...

Best EVER !!!!

That was a fantastic play by ET. What I am always amazed by is that fans of other teams always think that plays like that, or "The Tip" in the NFC Championship, etc are accidents. No....the Seahawks run drills specifically for situations like that. That chop to create that fumble wasn't a fluke. It was a heads up play where Thomas was making a conscious decision to create a turnover. The Seahawks do it all the time.

We will have to see how it play out. I am not ready to anoint the 'Hawks as the best defense ever just yet. They are in the conversation with the '85 Bears, the 200 Ravens, the Purple People Eaters.....this Seahawks defense is right there with them but they still have to prove it once and for all. Another Super Bowl win with a dominant defensive performance and I don't think anyone can really argue against it anymore

 

[HUGGY]

Best Defensive play EEVVAAAAHHHH !!!!!!

That play right on the goal line where Thomas knocks the ball out of the offensive dudes hands just as he is an inch from the goal line and the ball goes into and out of the end zone...

Saves a game changing TD and the ball goes to the Seahawks on the 20...

Best EVER !!!!

That was a fantastic play by ET. What I am always amazed by is that fans of other teams always think that plays like that, or "The Tip" in the NFC Championship, etc are accidents. No....the Seahawks run drills specifically for situations like that. That chop to create that fumble wasn't a fluke. It was a heads up play where Thomas was making a conscious decision to create a turnover. The Seahawks do it all the time.

We will have to see how it play out. I am not ready to anoint the 'Hawks as the best defense ever just yet. They are in the conversation with the '85 Bears, the 200 Ravens, the Purple People Eaters.....this Seahawks defense is right there with them but they still have to prove it once and for all. Another Super Bowl win with a dominant defensive performance and I don't think anyone can really argue against it anymore

I've never really gotten into the "best ever" conversation because different eras had different conditions and rules to play under.

One thing I'm pretty certain about is that Bobby Wagner, Kam Chancellor, Earl Thomas and Richard Sherman would have been defensive standouts in any NFL decade or era. A few individuals on the line would have made just about any team as well Like Irving and Bennett.

Best ever? Like you said.. if the Hawks win this season's Super Bowl and handle Tom Brady and the Patriots in the same fashion as they did Peyton Manning and the Broncos last season there will be a lot of talk about who was the best ever.

Few fans understand the importance of a play like the one Thomas pulled off. Like you said they see it as a fluke...an aberration ..True one almost never sees a play like that executed on purpose with the surgical skill displayed by Mr Thomas.

The Hawks have this certain skill they work on called the 6" punch. Carroll elaborated on it in this week's press conference. It is somewhat akin to a Marshall arts strike. It involves releasing an enormous amount of energy in a short field of space concentrating on the expected position of the ball...etc.. Chancellor, Thomas, Wagner, Wright, and Smith are very good at applying this type of ball punch. It has been used many times over the last couple of seasons resulting in many recovered fumbles.

 

[Montrovant]

Because the Seahawks are the only team to practice things like tip drills or punching out the ball........

Just because they may be good at it (and considering Seattle was tied for 6th in forced fumbles and 18th in interceptions, how much better at it are they?) doesn't mean it's something other teams don't work on.

 

[BluePhantom]

Because the Seahawks are the only team to practice things like tip drills or punching out the ball........

Just because they may be good at it (and considering Seattle was tied for 6th in forced fumbles and 18th in interceptions, how much better at it are they?) doesn't mean it's something other teams don't work on.

They are low on interceptions because teams have stopped trying to pass on the Seahawks. Employing a passing strategy against the Seahawks is the fastest way to lose the game. I dont know if the Seahawks are the best defense ever...I think the jury is still out on that one but they are close...but there is no argument whatsoever that this is the best pass defense ever and in an era that favors the pass.

The Legion of Boom is without argument the best secondary in the history of the NFL. I don't know how you could argue against it at this point. In regards to total defense....best defense ever....man it's close. If the Seahawks keep dominating through a Super Bowl repeat there is no argument left. They have to get it done...they have to prove it....but if they repeat there is no longer any doubt

 

[HUGGY]

Because the Seahawks are the only team to practice things like tip drills or punching out the ball........

Just because they may be good at it (and considering Seattle was tied for 6th in forced fumbles and 18th in interceptions, how much better at it are they?) doesn't mean it's something other teams don't work on.

They are low on interceptions because teams have stopped trying to pass on the Seahawks. Employing a passing strategy against the Seahawks is the fastest way to lose the game. I dont know if the Seahawks are the best defense ever...I think the jury is still out on that one but they are close...but there is no argument whatsoever that this is the best pass defense ever and in an era that favors the pass.

The Legion of Boom is without argument the best secondary in the history of the NFL. I don't know how you could argue against it at this point. In regards to total defense....best defense ever....man it's close. If the Seahawks keep dominating through a Super Bowl repeat there is no argument left. They have to get it done...they have to prove it....but if they repeat there is no longer any doubt

I think it has a lot to do with HOW they repeat if they do. If they repeat with the same defensive authority that they showed against the NFL record breaking Broncos of last season then the conversation would be a valid discussion. If New Eggland scores at will and the Hawks need to match them point for point in a great shoot out then the conversation about "best ever defense" would fall flat.

 

[Montrovant]

Because the Seahawks are the only team to practice things like tip drills or punching out the ball........

Just because they may be good at it (and considering Seattle was tied for 6th in forced fumbles and 18th in interceptions, how much better at it are they?) doesn't mean it's something other teams don't work on.

They are low on interceptions because teams have stopped trying to pass on the Seahawks. Employing a passing strategy against the Seahawks is the fastest way to lose the game. I dont know if the Seahawks are the best defense ever...I think the jury is still out on that one but they are close...but there is no argument whatsoever that this is the best pass defense ever and in an era that favors the pass.

The Legion of Boom is without argument the best secondary in the history of the NFL. I don't know how you could argue against it at this point. In regards to total defense....best defense ever....man it's close. If the Seahawks keep dominating through a Super Bowl repeat there is no argument left. They have to get it done...they have to prove it....but if they repeat there is no longer any doubt

I didn't say anything about whether the Seahawks have a best ever kind of D. What I said is that this discussion about how the Seahawks do things like tip drills or practicing knocking the ball loose, as though it is something unusual, is silly. I would imagine every defense in the league, as well as college defenses, practices those kinds of things.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

i am going to assume that reply means YES you wish the steelers faced the seahawks again in the superbowl.its always hard trying to figure out your warped language you have.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Best Defensive play EEVVAAAAHHHH !!!!!!

That play right on the goal line where Thomas knocks the ball out of the offensive dudes hands just as he is an inch from the goal line and the ball goes into and out of the end zone...

Saves a game changing TD and the ball goes to the Seahawks on the 20...

Best EVER !!!!

That was a fantastic play by ET. What I am always amazed by is that fans of other teams always think that plays like that, or "The Tip" in the NFC Championship, etc are accidents. No....the Seahawks run drills specifically for situations like that. That chop to create that fumble wasn't a fluke. It was a heads up play where Thomas was making a conscious decision to create a turnover. The Seahawks do it all the time.

We will have to see how it play out. I am not ready to anoint the 'Hawks as the best defense ever just yet. They are in the conversation with the '85 Bears, the 200 Ravens, the Purple People Eaters.....this Seahawks defense is right there with them but they still have to prove it once and for all. Another Super Bowl win with a dominant defensive performance and I don't think anyone can really argue against it anymore

dude how can you possibly leave out the steel curtain or the biggest sin of all,leaving out my LA RAMS fearsome foursome? shame on you.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Best Defensive play EEVVAAAAHHHH !!!!!!

That play right on the goal line where Thomas knocks the ball out of the offensive dudes hands just as he is an inch from the goal line and the ball goes into and out of the end zone...

Saves a game changing TD and the ball goes to the Seahawks on the 20...

Best EVER !!!!

That was a fantastic play by ET. What I am always amazed by is that fans of other teams always think that plays like that, or "The Tip" in the NFC Championship, etc are accidents. No....the Seahawks run drills specifically for situations like that. That chop to create that fumble wasn't a fluke. It was a heads up play where Thomas was making a conscious decision to create a turnover. The Seahawks do it all the time.

We will have to see how it play out. I am not ready to anoint the 'Hawks as the best defense ever just yet. They are in the conversation with the '85 Bears, the 200 Ravens, the Purple People Eaters.....this Seahawks defense is right there with them but they still have to prove it once and for all. Another Super Bowl win with a dominant defensive performance and I don't think anyone can really argue against it anymore

I've never really gotten into the "best ever" conversation because different eras had different conditions and rules to play under.

One thing I'm pretty certain about is that Bobby Wagner, Kam Chancellor, Earl Thomas and Richard Sherman would have been defensive standouts in any NFL decade or era. A few individuals on the line would have made just about any team as well Like Irving and Bennett.

Best ever? Like you said.. if the Hawks win this season's Super Bowl and handle Tom Brady and the Patriots in the same fashion as they did Peyton Manning and the Broncos last season there will be a lot of talk about who was the best ever.

Few fans understand the importance of a play like the one Thomas pulled off. Like you said they see it as a fluke...an aberration ..True one almost never sees a play like that executed on purpose with the surgical skill displayed by Mr Thomas.

The Hawks have this certain skill they work on called the 6" punch. Carroll elaborated on it in this week's press conference. It is somewhat akin to a Marshall arts strike. It involves releasing an enormous amount of energy in a short field of space concentrating on the expected position of the ball...etc.. Chancellor, Thomas, Wagner, Wright, and Smith are very good at applying this type of ball punch. It has been used many times over the last couple of seasons resulting in many recovered fumbles.

heck yeah if they shut out the pats offense like they did the donkeys,they will have no choice but to be in the conversation of best ever shutting down two future hall of famers.

man if the seahawks were playing under the same rules back then that the bear defense and the purple people eaters got to play under,there would be no question they are the best defense ever but this is a league now that favors offense over great defense so they make the rules much tougher for them now than back then.

 

[antiquity]

Best Defensive play EEVVAAAAHHHH !!!!!!

That play right on the goal line where Thomas knocks the ball out of the offensive dudes hands just as he is an inch from the goal line and the ball goes into and out of the end zone...

Saves a game changing TD and the ball goes to the Seahawks on the 20...

Best EVER !!!!

That was a fantastic play by ET. What I am always amazed by is that fans of other teams always think that plays like that, or "The Tip" in the NFC Championship, etc are accidents. No....the Seahawks run drills specifically for situations like that. That chop to create that fumble wasn't a fluke. It was a heads up play where Thomas was making a conscious decision to create a turnover. The Seahawks do it all the time.

We will have to see how it play out. I am not ready to anoint the 'Hawks as the best defense ever just yet. They are in the conversation with the '85 Bears, the 200 Ravens, the Purple People Eaters.....this Seahawks defense is right there with them but they still have to prove it once and for all. Another Super Bowl win with a dominant defensive performance and I don't think anyone can really argue against it anymore

dude how can you possibly leave out the steel curtain or the biggest sin of all,leaving out my LA RAMS fearsome foursome? shame on you.

What good did they do for the Rams, having never won a title with those 'fearsome four'. In fact the LA Rams haven't had a title since the mid 50's long before the merger.

 

[HUGGY]

A point of worry over the whole season. Seattle lead the league in penalties received...by a lot.

Worse than that we gave up over a thousand yards in plays called back to get insult added to injury with the penalty.

In the last six qtrs the Hawks have given up one penalty per half.

If they keep that up ...this alone will be enough to make it impossible to be beaten at home during this playoff run.

 

[BluePhantom]

Because the Seahawks are the only team to practice things like tip drills or punching out the ball........

Just because they may be good at it (and considering Seattle was tied for 6th in forced fumbles and 18th in interceptions, how much better at it are they?) doesn't mean it's something other teams don't work on.

They are low on interceptions because teams have stopped trying to pass on the Seahawks. Employing a passing strategy against the Seahawks is the fastest way to lose the game. I dont know if the Seahawks are the best defense ever...I think the jury is still out on that one but they are close...but there is no argument whatsoever that this is the best pass defense ever and in an era that favors the pass.

The Legion of Boom is without argument the best secondary in the history of the NFL. I don't know how you could argue against it at this point. In regards to total defense....best defense ever....man it's close. If the Seahawks keep dominating through a Super Bowl repeat there is no argument left. They have to get it done...they have to prove it....but if they repeat there is no longer any doubt

I didn't say anything about whether the Seahawks have a best ever kind of D. What I said is that this discussion about how the Seahawks do things like tip drills or practicing knocking the ball loose, as though it is something unusual, is silly. I would imagine every defense in the league, as well as college defenses, practices those kinds of things.

Other teams practice it as well, of course, but from what I understand the Seahawks devote an entire day (every Thursday to be exact) to turnover drills. I don't think every team does that. To some degree some turnovers are luck. Fumble recoveries are mainly about how the ball bounces and who it happens to bounce to, for example. Last year the Seahawks got a lot of lucky bounces. This year not so much. That's just the way it goes.

 

[BluePhantom]

A point of worry over the whole season. Seattle lead the league in penalties received...by a lot.

Worse than that we gave up over a thousand yards in plays called back to get insult added to injury with the penalty.

In the last six qtrs the Hawks have given up one penalty per half.

If they keep that up ...this alone will be enough to make it impossible to be beaten at home during this playoff run.

I have noticed that ever since Fieldgulls posted their analysis of penalties (Seahawks with the most penalties and Seahawks opponents with the least penalties - both by over a standard deviation) that the officiating crews have been calling it a lot closer. I also noticed that the media picked up on that analysis and commentators during games have referred to that analysis pointing out that for most of the season the refs were not "calling it both ways". Thanks be to Fieldgulls!

 

[BluePhantom]

Because the Seahawks are the only team to practice things like tip drills or punching out the ball........

Just because they may be good at it (and considering Seattle was tied for 6th in forced fumbles and 18th in interceptions, how much better at it are they?) doesn't mean it's something other teams don't work on.

They are low on interceptions because teams have stopped trying to pass on the Seahawks. Employing a passing strategy against the Seahawks is the fastest way to lose the game. I dont know if the Seahawks are the best defense ever...I think the jury is still out on that one but they are close...but there is no argument whatsoever that this is the best pass defense ever and in an era that favors the pass.

The Legion of Boom is without argument the best secondary in the history of the NFL. I don't know how you could argue against it at this point. In regards to total defense....best defense ever....man it's close. If the Seahawks keep dominating through a Super Bowl repeat there is no argument left. They have to get it done...they have to prove it....but if they repeat there is no longer any doubt

I think it has a lot to do with HOW they repeat if they do. If they repeat with the same defensive authority that they showed against the NFL record breaking Broncos of last season then the conversation would be a valid discussion. If New Eggland scores at will and the Hawks need to match them point for point in a great shoot out then the conversation about "best ever defense" would fall flat.

I think that is a fair assessment. However I would argue that if their Super Bowl opponent (assuming they get there) scores at will the Seahawks probably will not repeat as champions. The Seahawks have an underrated offense for sure but not so underrated to suggest that they can stand toe to toe with an offensive super power in a shoot out,. I mentioned in an earlier post that throwing against the Seahawks is a quick way to lose the game. On the flip side, if a team can force the Seahawks into an offensive battle...a shoot out...they have gone a long way toward winning the game. It's not because the Seahawks can't score (they are 10th in the NFL in scoring - they can score). It's because they are not built for that type of situation.

I have discussed with several people Seattle's apparent lack of offensive productivity in the passing game in particular. I hear people say how Wilson rarely throw for 300 yards. My response is "thank god" because usually when a QB throws for 300 yards they lose (look it up). Usually QBs throw for those yards because their team is losing and they are airing it out hoping to catch up because they have no other choice. Seattle isn't often in that position so why throw when you can run and control the clock and wear down the opposing defense? It's not that Seattle can't throw, it's that they don't have to. The point is that if you can get the Seahawks (or any team really) into a place where they have to throw they are pretty much dead as it is.

 

[HUGGY]

Because the Seahawks are the only team to practice things like tip drills or punching out the ball........

Just because they may be good at it (and considering Seattle was tied for 6th in forced fumbles and 18th in interceptions, how much better at it are they?) doesn't mean it's something other teams don't work on.

They are low on interceptions because teams have stopped trying to pass on the Seahawks. Employing a passing strategy against the Seahawks is the fastest way to lose the game. I dont know if the Seahawks are the best defense ever...I think the jury is still out on that one but they are close...but there is no argument whatsoever that this is the best pass defense ever and in an era that favors the pass.

The Legion of Boom is without argument the best secondary in the history of the NFL. I don't know how you could argue against it at this point. In regards to total defense....best defense ever....man it's close. If the Seahawks keep dominating through a Super Bowl repeat there is no argument left. They have to get it done...they have to prove it....but if they repeat there is no longer any doubt

I think it has a lot to do with HOW they repeat if they do. If they repeat with the same defensive authority that they showed against the NFL record breaking Broncos of last season then the conversation would be a valid discussion. If New Eggland scores at will and the Hawks need to match them point for point in a great shoot out then the conversation about "best ever defense" would fall flat.

I think that is a fair assessment. However I would argue that if their Super Bowl opponent (assuming they get there) scores at will the Seahawks probably will not repeat as champions. The Seahawks have an underrated offense for sure but not so underrated to suggest that they can stand toe to toe with an offensive super power in a shoot out,. I mentioned in an earlier post that throwing against the Seahawks is a quick way to lose the game. On the flip side, if a team can force the Seahawks into an offensive battle...a shoot out...they have gone a long way toward winning the game. It's not because the Seahawks can't score (they are 10th in the NFL in scoring - they can score). It's because they are not built for that type of situation.

I have discussed with several people Seattle's apparent lack of offensive productivity in the passing game in particular. I hear people say how Wilson rarely throw for 300 yards. My response is "thank god" because usually when a QB throws for 300 yards they lose (look it up). Usually QBs throw for those yards because their team is losing and they are airing it out hoping to catch up because they have no other choice. Seattle isn't often in that position so why throw when you can run and control the clock and wear down the opposing defense? It's not that Seattle can't throw, it's that they don't have to. The point is that if you can get the Seahawks (or any team really) into a place where they have to throw they are pretty much dead as it is.

Allow me to amend my previous post by stating that by a "shoot out" I meant that the Hawks would allow say 3 TDs and field goal to 28-31 points of their own. A solid win but not the 6 plus points they gave up in their last six games.

The win last February was by all considered a blow out allowing Denver to score 8 while scoring 43 themselves.

I believe the "conversation" would begin about best ever defenses if the Hawks make it to this season's Super Bowl and hold the AFC team to 12 points or less. I believe it is important that to make the kind of a statement that will stand the test of time the Defense must prevent the AFC opponent to NO TDs on Offense. If Wilson throws a pick six and the AFC team runs back a KO or a Punt for 14 points and kicks 4 field goals the score could be 26 points. That said if the Defense allows no Offensive player to cross the goal line and Seattle still wins I believe they have proven enough of a point to be in the hunt for a place in history as one of the best defenses ever.

 

[BluePhantom]

Because the Seahawks are the only team to practice things like tip drills or punching out the ball........

Just because they may be good at it (and considering Seattle was tied for 6th in forced fumbles and 18th in interceptions, how much better at it are they?) doesn't mean it's something other teams don't work on.

They are low on interceptions because teams have stopped trying to pass on the Seahawks. Employing a passing strategy against the Seahawks is the fastest way to lose the game. I dont know if the Seahawks are the best defense ever...I think the jury is still out on that one but they are close...but there is no argument whatsoever that this is the best pass defense ever and in an era that favors the pass.

The Legion of Boom is without argument the best secondary in the history of the NFL. I don't know how you could argue against it at this point. In regards to total defense....best defense ever....man it's close. If the Seahawks keep dominating through a Super Bowl repeat there is no argument left. They have to get it done...they have to prove it....but if they repeat there is no longer any doubt

I think it has a lot to do with HOW they repeat if they do. If they repeat with the same defensive authority that they showed against the NFL record breaking Broncos of last season then the conversation would be a valid discussion. If New Eggland scores at will and the Hawks need to match them point for point in a great shoot out then the conversation about "best ever defense" would fall flat.

I think that is a fair assessment. However I would argue that if their Super Bowl opponent (assuming they get there) scores at will the Seahawks probably will not repeat as champions. The Seahawks have an underrated offense for sure but not so underrated to suggest that they can stand toe to toe with an offensive super power in a shoot out,. I mentioned in an earlier post that throwing against the Seahawks is a quick way to lose the game. On the flip side, if a team can force the Seahawks into an offensive battle...a shoot out...they have gone a long way toward winning the game. It's not because the Seahawks can't score (they are 10th in the NFL in scoring - they can score). It's because they are not built for that type of situation.

I have discussed with several people Seattle's apparent lack of offensive productivity in the passing game in particular. I hear people say how Wilson rarely throw for 300 yards. My response is "thank god" because usually when a QB throws for 300 yards they lose (look it up). Usually QBs throw for those yards because their team is losing and they are airing it out hoping to catch up because they have no other choice. Seattle isn't often in that position so why throw when you can run and control the clock and wear down the opposing defense? It's not that Seattle can't throw, it's that they don't have to. The point is that if you can get the Seahawks (or any team really) into a place where they have to throw they are pretty much dead as it is.

Allow me to amend my previous post by stating that by a "shoot out" I meant that the Hawks would allow say 3 TDs and field goal to 28-31 points of their own. A solid win but not the 6 plus points they gave up in their last six games.

The win last February was by all considered a blow out allowing Denver to score 8 while scoring 43 themselves.

I believe the "conversation" would begin about best ever defenses if the Hawks make it to this season's Super Bowl and hold the AFC team to 12 points or less. I believe it is important that to make the kind of a statement that will stand the test of time the Defense must prevent the AFC opponent to NO TDs on Offense. If Wilson throws a pick six and the AFC team runs back a KO or a Punt for 14 points and kicks 4 field goals the score could be 26 points. That said if the Defense allows no Offensive player to cross the goal line and Seattle still wins I believe they have proven enough of a point to be in the hunt for a place in history as one of the best defenses ever.

I think that is fair to some degree. I personally think that if Seattle gets to the Super Bowl and faces an offensive powerhouse such as New England or Denver and they hold them to less than 12...you know they did that last year. If they do it again it's just an exclamation point that I don't think can be ignored anymore. I think they can allow a TD and still be in the conversation. It's pretty rare that a Super Bowl team doesn't score a TD. I am not sure what the benchmarks would be as far as yardage, scoring, turnovers....perhaps it will be like art vs. pornography...."we can't define it but we know it when we see it". LOL. As I said earlier...I am comfortable putting the LOB in the category as the best defensive secondary ever. I think you can always make arguments for this team or that but Thomas, Sherman, Chancellor, Maxwell.....in the age of football where everything favors the receivers. Can you imagine what those four would have done with the NFL rule book of the 80s or 70s?

In regards to the defense as a whole...I agree...we need to see it again. We need to see them put the exclamation point on their claim. If they do....then I don't think it's a question of "are they in the conversation as one of them best". I think the conversation turns to "are they THE best".

 

[BluePhantom]

Just a follow up Huggy and I think this is important. A few years ago the Seahawks announced their "all-Seahawks team". It was the best players at every position throughout Seahawks history. It had Cortez Kennedy at DT, Steve Largent at WR, Dave Brown at corner, Shaun Alexander at RB (this was before the Lynch era)...all the names you would expect. And there was an interview with Matt Hasselbeck about it and the reporter asked him if that team could be beat and I loved Hasselbeck's response. He asked "well what rule book are we using?" He asked "are we using the rule book from today or the rule book from 1984 when Kenny Easley was free to take people's heads off?"

That question matters when you try to evaluate "the best of all time"