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Scientists Warn Pfizer, Moderna Vaccines May Cause Blood Clots, Too

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U.S. and European health officials are scrutinizing the Johnson & Johnson (J&J) and AstraZeneca COVID vaccines for possibly causing blood clots and related blood disorders in vaccine recipients.

But evidence is mounting that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines cause similar adverse reactions — and U.S. regulatory officials were alerted to that fact as far back as December 2020

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on Wednesday convened an emergency meeting of its Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) to determine whether to lift a ban on the J&J vaccine. The ban was put in place Tuesday, after reports of blood clots.

During the meeting, committee members hailed the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines as great alternatives to the J&J vaccine because there were “no safety signals” — suggesting, unlike the J&J and AstraZeneca adenovirus-based vaccines, mRNA vaccines are not associated with blood clots.

On Tuesday, Peter Marks, director of the Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research at the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), said on a call with reporters there had been no reported cases of cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST) with thrombocytopenia (low blood platelets that can cause dangerous internal bleeding) following Pfizer and Moderna vaccines.


But Mark’s statement contradicts numerous news reports, recent studies and even a scientist’s warning directed specifically to Marks late last year — it also contradicts data from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS).

Utilizing a search criteria that included reports of blood clots associated with blood coagulation disorders, VAERS yielded a total of 795 reports for all three vaccines from Dec. 14, 2020 through April 1, 2021.

Of the 795 cases reported, there were 400 reports attributed to Pfizer, 337 reports with Moderna and 56 reports with J&J — far more than the eight cases under investigation, including the two additional cases added Wednesday.


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U.S. and European health officials are scrutinizing the Johnson & Johnson (J&J) and AstraZeneca COVID vaccines for possibly causing blood clots and related blood disorders in vaccine recipients.​
But evidence is mounting that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines cause similar adverse reactions — and U.S. regulatory officials were alerted to that fact as far back as December 2020​
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on Wednesday convened an emergency meeting of its Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) to determine whether to lift a ban on the J&J vaccine. The ban was put in place Tuesday, after reports of blood clots.​
During the meeting, committee members hailed the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines as great alternatives to the J&J vaccine because there were “no safety signals” — suggesting, unlike the J&J and AstraZeneca adenovirus-based vaccines, mRNA vaccines are not associated with blood clots.​
On Tuesday, Peter Marks, director of the Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research at the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), said on a call with reporters there had been no reported cases of cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST) with thrombocytopenia (low blood platelets that can cause dangerous internal bleeding) following Pfizer and Moderna vaccines.​
But Mark’s statement contradicts numerous news reports, recent studies and even a scientist’s warning directed specifically to Marks late last year — it also contradicts data from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS).
Utilizing a search criteria that included reports of blood clots associated with blood coagulation disorders, VAERS yielded a total of 795 reports for all three vaccines from Dec. 14, 2020 through April 1, 2021.
Of the 795 cases reported, there were 400 reports attributed to Pfizer, 337 reports with Moderna and 56 reports with J&J — far more than the eight cases under investigation, including the two additional cases added Wednesday.
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The same side effects a small percentage of people get from other medications.. like birth control for instance...faux hysteria.
 

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The same side effects a small percentage of people get from other medications.. like birth control for instance...faux hysteria.

Exactly. J&J distributed over 7 million doses. Out of that 7 million, six people developed blood clots. I'm sure if you could find 7 million people who drank orange juice this week, you'd have way more than that who developed blood clots.

Like many people, I too was skeptical about taking a vaccine that was developed and tested in less than a year. In my case I'm fortunate to have a medical expert in my family. She is the first one I called when I found out I could sneak in earlier than most to get the shot. Her advice is get the shot as soon as I could, because that's what she plans on doing. If you can't trust family, who can you trust? She's the most brilliant woman I know. She was the supervisor of her lab. She even worked with Dr. Fauci before this virus came along, so she's pretty much up on the scale in her profession.

Unfortunately when all this was going on, I developed another medical condition, so I'm dealing with that now before I get the shot. But that should be behind me in two weeks and I'm going to get it then.
 

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if these reports are real both pfizer and moderna vaccines would have been paused, just like J&J and Astrazeneca. But assuming it's true, none of the 700+ appears to have been life threatening. That's out of 125 million vaccination shots. What's the math on that? :auiqs.jpg:
 

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Especially with a flu-like virus with a survival rate in the very high 90s.
 

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U.S. and European health officials are scrutinizing the Johnson & Johnson (J&J) and AstraZeneca COVID vaccines for possibly causing blood clots and related blood disorders in vaccine recipients.

But evidence is mounting that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines cause similar adverse reactions — and U.S. regulatory officials were alerted to that fact as far back as December 2020

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on Wednesday convened an emergency meeting of its Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) to determine whether to lift a ban on the J&J vaccine. The ban was put in place Tuesday, after reports of blood clots.

During the meeting, committee members hailed the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines as great alternatives to the J&J vaccine because there were “no safety signals” — suggesting, unlike the J&J and AstraZeneca adenovirus-based vaccines, mRNA vaccines are not associated with blood clots.

On Tuesday, Peter Marks, director of the Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research at the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), said on a call with reporters there had been no reported cases of cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST) with thrombocytopenia (low blood platelets that can cause dangerous internal bleeding) following Pfizer and Moderna vaccines.


But Mark’s statement contradicts numerous news reports, recent studies and even a scientist’s warning directed specifically to Marks late last year — it also contradicts data from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS).

Utilizing a search criteria that included reports of blood clots associated with blood coagulation disorders, VAERS yielded a total of 795 reports for all three vaccines from Dec. 14, 2020 through April 1, 2021.

Of the 795 cases reported, there were 400 reports attributed to Pfizer, 337 reports with Moderna and 56 reports with J&J — far more than the eight cases under investigation, including the two additional cases added Wednesday.


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You need to take one as you have zero defense to it
 

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Especially with a flu-like virus with a survival rate in the very high 90s.

Maybe. My father is 89 years old, has had three different types of cancers for years. He got the shot not to protect himself so much, it was so he didn't get Covid and give it to somebody else that may kill them. He said that's something he could never live with.
 

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Anything that enters into the body or tries to penetrate it. That the body builds up a defense to remove the invaders.
like the eyes. when debris or bacteria gets on the eyes. That our bodies produces mucus to capture these invaders. And then it slithers the invaders to the corner of the eyes where it will dry up and falls out. same process for the nasal passage.
The mucus is their to protect the body. That even the linen of our stomach or digestion system is made out of mucus. The mucus prevents the acid from damaging the gut. And inflammation is a log jammed of mucus inside of the bloodstream. That it slows the flow of blood going to certain areas like the joints.
But if a virus enters. That the mucus will try to trap the virus. But the virus is able to grow inside and spread throughout the mucus. But the body keeps on producing more mucus to slow the spread so that it will give the body more time to figure out and to try out a series of combination of antibodies that can stop it from spreading. That the antibodies are mixed inside of the mucus. Testing to see which combination that works.
But vaccines are toxins that there is no combination that can stop it. That the body keeps on sliming it to prevent the toxins from escaping through its barrier, until it forms into a big clot.
And some of these clots can stay inside of the body for life. Turning into an infection, especially in the brain. Creating a foul order like an infectious order in the breath.
But there are supplements that can help remove these clots. Like Nattokinase, Resveratrol (Which chocolate, raisin and peanuts has in it), Alpha-Lipoic acid and vitamin A. But having a good stomach flora helps out a lot.





Alpha Lipoic Acid(ALA) is a frequently recommended supplements by CFS specialists. It is good to see why it may work so often to reduce symptoms.

First it reduces coagulation issues, and improves blood flow

  • Decreases CD62P platelet expression
  • Decreases fibrinogen, factor VII, vWF, and triglycerides
  • Decreases plasma levels of free fatty acids, triglyceride, total cholesterol, low density lipoprotein-cholesterol, small dense LDL-cholesterol, oxidized LDL-cholesterol, very low density lipoprotein-cholesterol
Second it reduce inflammation levels

  • Decreases C-Reactive Protiens levels by 19%
  • Decreases cytokines such as TNF-alpha, IL-6
Third, it been documented to decreases symptoms of neuropathy and neuropathic deficit (which could be because of improved blood flow, reduced inflammation or both). It also improves nerve function.

The last aspect is interesting, it also normalizes choline, an amino acid. Choline is high in occipital cortex areas of the brain and abnormally high in most patients. Choline reduces with viral clearance. This reduction has been documented to produce significant improvements in verbal learning, memory, and visuo-spatial memory.


 

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And so anything that is foreign to our bodies that enters into it. That the body's defense system attack it by sliming the intruder to keep it from infecting any cells in the body. It traps the intruder in mucus, But if there are many intruders trapped inside of mucus floating inside the bloodstream. especially if the person has low blood flowing while having high blood pressure. That these intruders that are trapped inside of the mucus. That they will start joining together creating a clot. And plus if the person have mucus build up problems like diabetes or trashy system that is filled with pesticides or any other kinds of drugs or chemicals that are trapped inside of mucus. That the clot will start growing and making it unable to flow through smaller vessels. That it will start plugging up vessels like in the brain or the heart.
But there is some supplements that prevent these intruders that are trapped inside of these mucus from sticking together.
But everyone should just stop putting trash into their bodies.


He also determined a new way to calculate cerebrovascular resistance — a stiffening of the vessels that results from high blood pressure and low blood flow.

 

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I trust my immune system over any rushed vaccine.
Especially with a flu-like virus with a survival rate in the very high 90s.
If you trust your immune system, then the vaccine is precisely for you. Stimulating your immune system is exactly how it works.
 

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U.S. and European health officials are scrutinizing the Johnson & Johnson (J&J) and AstraZeneca COVID vaccines for possibly causing blood clots and related blood disorders in vaccine recipients.​
But evidence is mounting that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines cause similar adverse reactions — and U.S. regulatory officials were alerted to that fact as far back as December 2020​
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on Wednesday convened an emergency meeting of its Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) to determine whether to lift a ban on the J&J vaccine. The ban was put in place Tuesday, after reports of blood clots.​
During the meeting, committee members hailed the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines as great alternatives to the J&J vaccine because there were “no safety signals” — suggesting, unlike the J&J and AstraZeneca adenovirus-based vaccines, mRNA vaccines are not associated with blood clots.​
On Tuesday, Peter Marks, director of the Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research at the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), said on a call with reporters there had been no reported cases of cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST) with thrombocytopenia (low blood platelets that can cause dangerous internal bleeding) following Pfizer and Moderna vaccines.​
But Mark’s statement contradicts numerous news reports, recent studies and even a scientist’s warning directed specifically to Marks late last year — it also contradicts data from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS).
Utilizing a search criteria that included reports of blood clots associated with blood coagulation disorders, VAERS yielded a total of 795 reports for all three vaccines from Dec. 14, 2020 through April 1, 2021.
Of the 795 cases reported, there were 400 reports attributed to Pfizer, 337 reports with Moderna and 56 reports with J&J — far more than the eight cases under investigation, including the two additional cases added Wednesday.
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he er
The risk is slime....I got Phizer and besides being a little tired the day after my first dose, I had zero issues.

But then again, I am an amazing human
 

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I trust my immune system over any rushed vaccine.
Especially with a flu-like virus with a survival rate in the very high 90s.
If you trust your immune system, then the vaccine is precisely for you. Stimulating your immune system is exactly how it works.
Yep...it creates anti-bodies. Which your body would naturally create if you got the virus.
 

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Yep...it creates anti-bodies. Which your body would naturally create if you got the virus.
Right. And those antibodies sometimes have unintended consequences. In the case of COVID, they cause clots.

That is to say, getting COVID, getting the vaccine, both have the capability to cause clots. However, given that the infection is more likely to cause a greater immune response (given it's an ongoing infection that takes time to clear), you have better chances with the vaccine rather than the infection if this particular issue is something you are worried about.
 

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Yep...it creates anti-bodies. Which your body would naturally create if you got the virus.
Right. And those antibodies sometimes have unintended consequences. In the case of COVID, they cause clots.

That is to say, getting COVID, getting the vaccine, both have the capability to cause clots. However, given that the infection is more likely to cause a greater immune response (given it's an ongoing infection that takes time to clear), you have better chances with the vaccine rather than the infection if this particular issue is something you are worried about.
yep.

Get the shot...especially if you haven't had the Chinese Virus
 

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