Scholz rejects ‘dictated peace’ for Ukraine as Europe reels after Trump-Putin call

[Zavulon]

Go to hell on your own. Don't try to send others to hell. Nearly u-n-b-e-l-i-e-v-a-b-l-e how stupid US-Americans are able to be if they like to be stupid. You come near to us - but we are much more perfect. If we will get stupid then ...

You are going to hell by yourself. It's your hell caused by your hatred. All what Russia and America can do - is to bring some heaven to hell.

 

[zaangalewa]

If they want to allow Ukrainians to decide by themselves - they should open borders, and you shouldn't pay them, to make their decisions truly independent. You didn't "support Ukrainians". You just hired some crooks and Neo-Nazi militants to suppress local opposition and force them to kill Russians. Corrupted Ukrainian, American and European politicians got their billions. Corrupted Ukrainian head-hunters and servants of regime got their millions. Ordinary Ukrainians are dying in the unwinnable war, and ordinary western people are losing their money.


And we all know, how you'll name it. The Fourth Reich.

We may not agree on everything with Americans. Actually, there are a lot of things we disagree. But, at least, they are pragmatical. They are not suicidal mass-murders as Europeans. United and unleashed Europe means a big war. Really big. In in this war you'll be defeated, and, may be, even eliminated.

You are on my ignore list now

 

[Zavulon]

You are on my ignore list now

Exactly. You can ignore people, you can close your ears and even eyes, but it won't change the reality around you. You wanna fight the unwinnable war, and what is worse - you want to take as many people with you in hell, as you can.

 

[Correll]

Go to hell on your own. Don't try to send others to hell. Nearly u-n-b-e-l-i-e-v-a-b-l-e how stupid US-Americans are able to be if they like to be stupid. You come near to us - but we are much more perfect. If we will get stupid then ...

Not sure what you are talking about.

Trump and I wanting peace, doesn't involve sending anyone to hell.

 

[Zavulon]

Not sure what you are talking about.

Trump and I wanting peace, doesn't involve sending anyone to hell.

You see, for the European Nazies, the worst hell is their inability to harm other people. They need other people suffering as vampires needs fresh blood.

 

[Correll]

You see, for the European Nazies, the worst hell is their inability to harm other people. They need other people suffering as vampires needs fresh blood.

I think most of them, see the suffering as a means to an end.

IN this case, the weakening of Russia, the enemy.


It is just that they are prepared to pay hte price in human lives to reach that goal.

BUT, they also know that it is not morally defensible to do so.

So, they lie and play silly rhetorical games, to avoid admitting their actual positions or what they really want.

 

[zaangalewa]

Not sure what you are talking about.

Trump and I wanting peace,

What Trump wants has narcissistic reasons which are in Trump and nowhere else - but I don't know why you personally want peace in the Ukraine and which price you are ready to pay for this peace and what price you think the Ukrainians have to pay for this what you try to call "peace". Lives a slave in peace?

doesn't involve sending anyone to hell.

As far as I can see sends the USA the Ukraine into a long hell under slavery of the current and a future Russian tyranny supported from Donald Trump. And the USA let's pay herselve a good price for to be so noble to send the Ukraine into hell. And the Ukraine agrees with the USA to do so because they have no hope any longer to be able to stop the Russians. So they pay for a "golden" drinking straw from the USA which will help them not more than all the other billions of empty straws on their own golden fields. But somehow they are right - they have not any chance to win against the USA and their ally Russia. The postive effect: I know my father was right to fight against Stalin. He was not only a victim of the Nazi propaganda. From a historical point of view, it has given us survivors a little breathing space - which we have hopefully utilised as well as possible. We will see.

 

[zaangalewa]

@Corell

Just a moment ago I read that Mr. Marco Rubio cancelled a meeting with Mrs. Kaja Kallas, the EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs, on a totally lapidary reason - although she had been arrived in Washington. Question: What is the USA today? An anachronism of the 15th century? Should she take a Viking boat to the USA next time? How stupid are you all in the USA now? U-n-b-e-l-i-e-v-a-b-l-e this Trump self-celebration ... ahm sorry - wrong word "Administration". On the other side: Do you still have such a thing like an administration?

 

[Correll]

What Trump wants has narcissistic reasons which are in Trump and nowhere else - but I don't know why you personally want peace in the Ukraine and which price you are ready to pay for this peace and what price you think the Ukrainians have to pay for this what you try to call "peace". Lives a slave in peace?

YOu are talking shit about Trump and me, to try to distract from the fact that you are the one willing to spend human lives for no good reason,

while Trump and I want peace so that people can stop dying.

As far as I can see sends the USA the Ukraine into a long hell under slavery of the current and a future Russian tyranny supported from Donald Trump. And the USA let's pay herselve a good price for to be so noble to send the Ukraine into hell. And the Ukraine agrees with the USA to do so because they have no hope any longer to be able to stop the Russians. So they pay for a "golden" drinking straw from the USA which will help them not more than all the other billions of empty straws on their own golden fields. But somehow they are right - they have not any chance to win against the USA and their ally Russia. The postive effect: I know my father was right to fight against Stalin. He was not only a victim of the Nazi propaganda. From a historical point of view, it has given us survivors a little breathing space - which we have hopefully utilised as well as possible. We will see.

...

The Ukraine will have a long and tough time rebuilding. YOu feel bad about that? YOu can give money and help them rebuild.

I'm sure there will be charities, that will take your money and hopefully use it to good ends.


Next time you want to get a latte, instead drink water and send the money to Ukraine.

 

[zaangalewa]

YOu are talking shit about Trump

I would not know whatelse to do in case of Dagogert Trump. That's his own method.

and me,

I don't know you - but if you like to be a shield of Trump and if I would be a spear then I don't envy you your job because Trump would always stab you in the back.

to try to distract from the fact that you are the one willing to spend human lives for no good reason,

A totally stupid sentence which has nothing to do with anything what I said. A typical Trump method. I will end here now.

...

 

[Correll]

I would not know whatelse to do in case of Dagogert Trump. That's his own method.



I don't know you - but if you like to be a shield of Trump and if I would be a spear then I don't envy you your job because Trump would always stab you in the back.



A totally stupid sentence which has nothing to do with anything what I said. A typical Trump method. I will end here now.

I want peace and I am willing to be honest about it and how we plan to get there.


YOu want endless war and you know that you have to be DISHONEST, in order to trick people into supporting the needless dying of ukrainians.

 

[zaangalewa]

I want peace

What I want or not want is totally irrelevant. Relevant is what the Ukrainians want and how they are able to live and it should also not be relevant what the criminals Trump and Putin want for them - but unfortunatelly this will be relevant for them independent from this what they really want.

and I am willing to be honest

You? Honest? ... Hmmm ...

about it

To be honest ¿about something? ... The English language is sometimes a little strange. Fortunatelly I have not to know what you like to say with this words.

and how we plan to get there.

Also a sentence which makes not any sense. What to get where? Which plan? Why?

YOu want endless war

Weirdo.

and you know that you have to be DISHONEST,

Now you call me "dishonest" because you are "honest". Hmm Hmm ... And I guess "honest" means for you to bomb down cities full of women and children while German soldiers fight against your American sugardaddy Stalinus Putin in Russia.

in order to trick people into supporting the needless dying of ukrainians.

"Trick" your name is Dagobert Putin.

 

[Correll]

What I want or not want is totally irrelevant. Relevant is what the Ukrainians want and how they are able to live and it should also not be relevant what the criminals Trump and Putin want for them - but unfortunatelly this will be relevant for them independent from this what they really want.



You? Honest? ... Hmmm ...



To be honest ¿about something? ... The English language is sometimes a little strange. Fortunatelly I have not to know what you like to say with this words.



Also a sentence which makes not any sense. What to get where? Which plan? Why?



Weirdo.



Now you call me "dishonest" because you are "honest". Hmm Hmm ... And I guess "honest" means for you to bomb down cities full of women and children while German soldiers fight against your American sugardaddy Stalinus Putin in Russia.



"Trick" your name is Dagobert Putin.

Being honest about what WE want, is part of any real human discussion.

THe way that you refuse to do that, and pivoted to a discussion of the ukrainians reasons for fighting,


is you revealing that you know you cannot defend what you want.


Which is endless war.


YOU want that, to bleed russia.


The Ukrainians, and their fight, is not something you are supporting, but something you are USING for your own personsal goal(s).

 

[Zavulon]

What I want or not want is totally irrelevant. Relevant is what the Ukrainians want and how they are able to live and it should also not be relevant what the criminals Trump and Putin want for them - but unfortunatelly this will be relevant for them independent from this what they really want.

If you were honest about importance of Ukrainians' opinion - you'd suggested open the borders to allow people left the country, ended financial support of ruling regime, and hold new elections.

And, anyway, if we are talking about usage of Germany's money, sending German men in the battle and burning down German cities - your opinion should be relevant, not Ukrainian. Americans don't want to die (or even lose money) to allow an evil clown in Kiev kill and abuse Russians. You want.

 

[zaangalewa]

Being honest about what WE want, is part of any real human discussion.

THe way that you refuse to do that, and pivoted to a discussion of the ukrainians reasons for fighting,


is you revealing that you know you cannot defend what you want.


Which is endless war.


YOU want that, to bleed russia.


The Ukrainians, and their fight, is not something you are supporting, but something you are USING for your own personsal goal(s).

Not to understand what others say and to repeat continuously the insane political propaganda of Dagobert Trump and All-is Murks seems to be a virtue on the new alien planet USA.

 

[Correll]

Not to understand what others say and to repeat continuously the insane political propaganda of Dagobert Trump and All-is Murks seems to be a virtue on the new alien planet USA.
....

It is not that I don't understand what you are saying. It is that you refuse to say what you want.


My level of understanding is irrelevant, because you WON'T SAY WHAT YOU WANT.


IF you said what you wanted, then I would try to understand your statement.


This is not me being insane. This is you refusing to engage.


And me not letting you get away with it. And that is pissing you off.

 

[zaangalewa]

It is not that I don't understand what you are saying. It is that you refuse to say what you want.


My level of understanding is irrelevant, because you WON'T SAY WHAT YOU WANT.


IF you said what you wanted, then I would try to understand your statement.


This is not me being insane. This is you refusing to engage.


And me not letting you get away with it. And that is pissing you off.

Another question, because it came to my mind: How do you deflect a nuclear explosion so that it hits one person and leaves the other standing next to it alive? Via a time-altering field?

... Stupid question, isn't it? ...

So let me read now what you said here. You said also lots of stupid things. Much more productive your form of stupidity. But I fear your stupidity and my stupidity are not compatible.

Bye, bye. (= God be with you)

 

[Correll]

Another question, because it came to my mind: How do you deflect a nuclear explosion so that it hits one person and leaves the other standing next to it alive? Via a time-altering field?

... Stupid question, isn't it? ...

So let me read now what you said here. You said also lots of stupid things. Much more productive your form of stupidity. But I fear your stupidity and my stupidity are not compatible.

Bye, bye. (= God be with you)

....

Asking you why you support a policy, is not a stupid question.


It is dishonest of you to try to claim it is.


Why are you running away from a simple question? Why can't you be honest about your reason(s) for supporting this policy?

 

[zaangalewa]

Asking you why you support a policy, is not a stupid question.


It is dishonest of you to try to claim it is.


Why are you running away from a simple question? Why can't you be honest about your reason(s) for supporting this policy?

no comment

 

[Correll]

no comment

Your refusal to discuss what you want from this policy is...disturbing.

It indicates that you are either ashamed of it, or aware that revealing it would undermine your own position.


I am happy to discuss my reasons for my position on this issue.


You get me started talking about myself and what I want, and I can go on and on an on.


Must be weird to be in your shoes. Seems like it would be unpleasant to have to hide your motives, in order to discuss your ideas.