Scholz rejects ‘dictated peace’ for Ukraine as Europe reels after Trump-Putin call

[Ringo]

 

[Bleipriester]

Do you understand that the American people voted their country out of this war?

 

[Robert W]

Russians are not interested in "just peace". Russians are interested in the "equal safety and equal rights peace".

Hell, Russia causes countries to not be safe. Tell Putin get out of Ukraine and Crimea.

 

[Zavulon]

Hell, Russia causes countries to not be safe. Tell Putin get out of Ukraine and Crimea.

Putin is neither in Crimea nor in Ukraine. He is in Moscow. And I can't say it to Russians because Russians do live there. Putin is not a dark wisard, controlling hordes of zombies, neither he is a crazy dictators acting exclusively out of caprice and Russians are not brainwashed goons, ready to fight or not to fight by his order. Russians are human beings. And when we do something its because we have pretty good reasons to do it.

And yes. If you discriminate, abuse and kill Russians (or prepare to attack Russian Federation) - you are really unsafe. To be safe - you'd better don't do anything stupid. That's what "system of equal safety" means.

 

[Robert W]

Putin is neither in Crimea nor in Ukraine. He is in Moscow. And I can't say it to Russians because Russians do live there.

Putin sent his army into Crimea and Ukraine. Actually Crimea is Ukraine. Russians live in France too but they did not send their army into France. Putin is losing oil refineries. Maybe he does not mind that at all.

 

[zaangalewa]

Putin is neither in Crimea nor in Ukraine. He is in Moscow. ...

Aha. Do you have the exact coordinates?

 

[Zavulon]

Putin sent his army into Crimea and Ukraine.

I thought it was princess Sophia who sent her Army in Crimea back in 1687. While Ukraine wasn't invented yet back than.

Actually Crimea is Ukraine.

No. It's not.

Russians live in France too but they did not send their army into France.

Sometimes we do, when its necessary.

Putin is losing oil refineries. Maybe he does not mind that at all.

Really? Few burning fuel tank means nothing (while they make nice pictures for Western medias).

 

[Robert W]

Zavulon

Really? Few burning fuel tank means nothing (while they make nice pictures for Western medias).

What a relief. Russians don't mind losing refineries. Thanks.

 

[Moonglow]

Scholz rejects ‘dictated peace’ for Ukraine as Europe reels after Trump-Putin call

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz on Thursday said a deal to end the Ukraine war should not be imposed on Kyiv as European leaders warned of security implications on the continent after US President Donald…

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German Chancellor Olaf Scholz on Thursday said a deal to end the Ukraine war should not be imposed on Kyiv as European leaders warned of security implications on the continent after US President Donald Trump agreed to open negotiations with Russian President Vladimir Putin in a phone call.

Fine then Jack, you pay the damn bills.

They're welcome to join Ukraine if they want to have more of a say and become the main benefactors of the grift instead of the dems and gop neocons.

LOL, Europe tells the US what they want, hell, without the US there is NO NATO and NO Europe, Ukraine is certainly in no position to negotiate with Putin, and neither are the EU weenies like Scholz.

Trump and Putin make a nice-looking couple don't they.

 

[Zavulon]

Zavulon

What a relief. Russians don't mind losing refineries. Thanks.

99,9% of Russians doesn't care about refineries while prices of gazoline are low. And they are still low. And even if significant part of Russian refinery capability degraded (which is not) Russia might simply ban exports of gasoline.

 

[zaangalewa]

No. It's not.

It is.

That was politically negotiable, as long as it remained only the illegal occupation of Crimea. Now that Russia has expanded the war, however, I no longer see it as politically negotiable. I am also of the opinion that the area now called Kaliningrad Oblast - which originally belonged to the Prusens who were absorbed into the Baltic Germans (= Prussians), Lithuanians and Poles through marriage - should be cleared of all Russians and turned into a strict European nature reserve that people are no longer allowed to enter. Furthermore, Russian warships should no longer be allowed to remain in the Baltic Sea.

Prussian anti-war song:



Oh sorry - "wrong" song -
this is the Prussian anti-war song:



In the original text was used "Baltic beach" instead of "Memel beach". This was changed because most idiots in the world had misunderstood the character of this song. The Prusens and the Prussians are not the same and Prussia (today only called East-Prussia or Oblast Kaliningrad) not had been in the origin a German kingdom - it had been in the origin a Polish kingdom.

Five wild swans once travelled,
Swans bright white and beautiful.
‘Sing, sing, what happened?’
None were seen again.

Once five young birches grew
Green and fresh at the brook's edge
‘Sing, sing, what happened!’
None stood in blossom.

Once five young lads
Proudly and boldly went out to fight.
‘Sing, sing, what happened? ’
None returned home.

Once five young girls grew
Slender and beautiful on the Baltic beach.
‘Sing, sing, what happened?’
None waved the bridal wreath

 

[zaangalewa]

By the way Zavulon. I'm quite sure the terroristic clown and coward Putin and his absurde criminal gang are about 500 or 1000 miles far from the Ukrainian border and they not took with them Moscow.

 

[Zavulon]

It is.

That was politically negotiable, as long as it remained only the illegal occupation of Crimea. Now that Russia has expanded the war, however, I no longer see it as politically negotiable. I am also of the opinion that the area now called Kaliningrad Oblast - which originally belonged to the Prusens who were absorbed into the Baltic Germans (= Prussians), Lithuanians and Poles through marriage - should be cleared of all Russians and turned into a strict European nature reserve that people are no longer allowed to enter. Furthermore, Russian warships should no longer be allowed to remain in the Baltic Sea.

Prussian anti-war song:



Oh sorry - "wrong" song -
this is the Prussian anti-war song:



In the original text was used "Baltic beach" instead of "Memel beach". This was changed because most idiots in the world had misunderstood the character of this song. The Prusens and the Prussians are not the same and Prussia (today only called East-Prussia or Oblast Kaliningrad) not had been in the origin a German kingdom - it had been in the origin a Polish kingdom.

Five wild swans once travelled,
Swans bright white and beautiful.
‘Sing, sing, what happened?’
None were seen again.

Once five young birches grew
Green and fresh at the brook's edge
‘Sing, sing, what happened!’
None stood in blossom.

Once five young lads
Proudly and boldly went out to fight.
‘Sing, sing, what happened? ’
None returned home.

Once five young girls grew
Slender and beautiful on the Baltic beach.
‘Sing, sing, what happened?’
None waved the bridal wreath

No problem. You can try. If you don't accept peace now - you are going to lose DDR. Most of ordinary Germans (especially those who have first hand experience of life in DDR) prefer to live in peace with Russians. If you really try to take Crimea and Kaliningrad - you are going to lose West Germany, too. And this time, I'm not sure that Canada and Argentina will give you a shelter.

So, lets wait for results of election.

 

[zaangalewa]

No problem. You can try.

What can we try?

If you don't accept peace now - you are going to lose DDR. Most of ordinary Germans (especially those who have first hand experience of life in DDR) prefer to live in peace with Russians.

What a nonsense. The AfD are Nazis. The USA supports this Nazis on reason to weaken Germany. The USA always weakened Germany in the last hundred years. But this Nazis are enemies of the USA and support Putin because Putin is not only Stalinist but also Nazi. People from the former tyranny of the Soviets had to live before under the Nazis what are in total about 60 years of tyranny. They trust politically in no one who rules. Also not in their own people because they see only traitors in everyone.

If you really try to take Crimea and Kaliningrad - you are going to lose West Germany, too.

Aha. But I did not say we like to take the Crimea or the area which is called today Oblast Kaliningrad. And here is only one Germany. East and west here are only directions and no political systems.

And this time, I'm not sure that Canada and Argentina will give you a shelter.

Aha. Then I will die here. Never expected anything else.

So, lets wait for results of election.

Why? Anyway Russia is lost. Your enemy is Putin. And the Russian history is a history of mass-murder. On others and on Russians. Life means nothing in your "philosophy" which is not the philosophy from Königberg (=Kaliningrad) - the home of the king of philosopy Immanuel Kant. The idea "international court" is by the way an idea of Immanuel Kant. Putin hates this idea. Trump too.

By the way, Zavulon. Do you have any idea why you say what you say? Exists any concept in your background except the concept to be pack leader in a pack of human wolves?



„Am Ende der Tage wird es geschehen: Der Berg des Hauses des Herrn steht fest gegründet als höchster der Berge; er überragt alle Hügel. Zu ihm strömen Völker. Viele Nationen gehen und sagen: Auf, wir ziehen hinauf zum Berg des Hernn und zum Haus des Gottes Jakobs. Er unterweise uns in seinen Wegen, auf seinen Pfaden wollen wir gehen. Denn von Zion zieht Weisung aus und das Wort des Herrn von Jerusalem. Er wird Recht schaffen zwischen vielen Völkern und mächtige Nationen zurechtweisen bis in die Ferne. Dann werden sie ihre Schwerter zu Pflugscharen umschmieden und ihre Lanzen zu Winzermessern. Sie erheben nicht mehr das Schwert, Nation gegen Nation, und sie erlernen nicht mehr den Krieg. Und ein jeder sitzt unter seinem Weinstock und unter seinem Feigenbaum und niemand schreckt ihn auf. Ja, der Mund des Herrn der Heerscharen hat gesprochen.“
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“At the end of days it will happen: The mountain of the Lord's house will stand firm as the highest of the mountains; it will tower above all the hills. Peoples will flock to it. Many nations will go and say, 'Let us go up to the mountain of the Lord and to the house of the God of Jacob. Let him instruct us in his ways; let us walk in his paths. For out of Zion goes forth instruction and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. He will establish justice among many peoples and rebuke mighty nations far away. Then they will forge their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. They will no longer take up sword against nation, and they will no longer learn war. And every man sits under his vine and under his fig tree, and no one makes him afraid. Yes, the mouth of the Lord of hosts has spoken.”

 

[Zavulon]

What a nonsense. The AfD are Nazis. The USA supports this Nazis on reason to weaken Germany. The USA always weakened Germany in the last hundred years. But this Nazis are enemies of the USA and support Putin because Putin is not only Stalinist but also Nazi. People from the former tyranny of the Soviets had to live before under the Nazis what are in total about 60 years of tyranny. They trust politically in no one who rules. Also not in their own people because they see only traitors in everyone.

We have different understanding of the word "Nazies". You believe that Nazies are people who doesn't like Muslims. We believe that Nazies are people who doesn't like Russians.
And in our understanding, AfD are not Nazies. Actually, in our understanding they are anti-Nazies.

Aha. But I did not say we like to take the Crimea or the area which is called today Oblast Kaliningrad.

Words are cheap. Including your words about lack of intention to attack Kaliningrad.

And here is only one Germany. East and west here are only directions and no political systems.

Really? The difference between Ossie and Wessi is more than just directions.

Aha.



Why? Anyway Russia is lost. Your enemy is Putin. And the Russian history is a history of mass-murder. On others and on Russians. Life means nothing in your "philosophy" which is not the philosophy from Königberg (=Kaliningrad) - the home of the king of philosopy Immanuel Kant. The idea "international court" is by the way an idea of Immanuel Kant. Putin hates this idea. Trump too.

Really? Kant begged Elizabeth of Russia to make him a professor at the University of Köningberg. She refused. He simply wasn't good enough.

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THE MOST SINCERE PETITION OF THE PHILOSOPHER KANT TO THE EMPRESS ELIZABETH PETROVNA
Emmanuel Kant, Master, most sincerely begs Her Imperial Majesty to most graciously appoint him to the vacant post of ordinary professor in the Department of Logic and Metaphysics at the University of Konigsberg.
Most Illustrious, most Powerful Empress, Autocrat of all Russia, Most Gracious Empress and great wife!
With the death of the late Dr. and Professor Kipse, the chair of the ordinary Professor of Logic and metaphysics at our Konigsberg Academy became vacant. These two sciences have hitherto been the subject of a particularly careful study on my part.
Since I became an associate professor at the university here, I have been lecturing on both these sciences every six months. I have written two dissertations on these sciences, and I have also tried to present some sample of my studies in four articles published in the Konigsberg Academic Newspaper, in three programs, and in three other philosophical treatises.
The hope that I flatter myself to be appointed to the academic service in the subject of these sciences, and especially the most gracious disposition of your Imperial Majesty to extend your highest patronage and condescending guardianship to the sciences, compel me to most sincerely ask Your Imperial Majesty to most graciously confirm me to the vacant chair of an ordinary professor, as I hope that the Academic Senate in its consideration the required ability for this subject will accompany my loyal search with no unfavorable indications. I am ready to die in my deepest devotion to your Imperial Majesty, my most devoted slave Emmanuel Kant.
Konigsberg, December 14, 1758.
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And, by the way, if there were no Russians in Ukraine back in 2014, were there Germans in Russian Empire (including East Prussia) back in 1758? Wasn't Kant a Russian, then?

By the way, Zavulon. Do you have any idea why you say what you say? Exists any concept in your background except the concept to be pack leader in a pack of human wolves?

Ever heard about "Chinese room" mind experiment?

The questions at issue are these: does a foreigner actually understand the conversation, or is it just simulating the ability to understand the conversation? Does a non-Russian have a mind in exactly the same sense that people do, or is it just acting as if it has a mind?

You read English words and you write English words. But do you actually understand plain English words? We told you - one more step eastward, and you (may be all of you) are dead. So - can you understand the words that simple and act as if you understand them?

 

[eagle1462010]

Those who kicked off the Ukraine-Russian war, need to pay the bills - you moron

And those two would be the US administrations that starting with BUSH sen. - promoted and enforced the NATO eastward-expansion, and Putin attacking Ukraine in 2014 and 2022.

Now with your tail between your legs YOU the USA wants to run to Mama - just as with Afghanistan and try to play the smart-ass with Europe.

**** US Foreign policy - **** TRUMP.

IDGAF about Ukraine. Not my back yard. Get off your asses and go Kill the Bear.

 

[Zavulon]

IDGAF about Ukraine. Not my back yard. Get off your asses and go Kill the Bear.

Really? More like this:

 

[zaangalewa]

And in our understanding, AfD are not Nazies.

They are Nazis and/or useful idiots of Nazis.

Actually, in our understanding they are anti-Nazies.

That's why you integrated your Nazi mercennaries into the Red Army. Your problem is that Putin is as well Nazi and Stalinist (and also Islamist in some cases). He - and also Donald, the fist, Trump - try to force to let live all people in unreal worlds which are dead since decades of years. New undeads try to rule the world.

 

[Correll]

The soviest were a threat to the global balance of power.

The russians aren't.

 

[zaangalewa]

We have different understanding of the word "Nazies". You believe that Nazies are people who doesn't like Muslims. We believe that Nazies are people who doesn't like Russians.
And in our understanding, AfD are not Nazies. Actually, in our understanding they are anti-Nazies.


Words are cheap. Including your words about lack of intention to attack Kaliningrad.


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Really? The difference between Ossie and Wessi is more than just directions.



Really? Kant begged Elizabeth of Russia to make him a professor at the University of Köningberg. She refused. He simply wasn't good enough.

---------
THE MOST SINCERE PETITION OF THE PHILOSOPHER KANT TO THE EMPRESS ELIZABETH PETROVNA
Emmanuel Kant, Master, most sincerely begs Her Imperial Majesty to most graciously appoint him to the vacant post of ordinary professor in the Department of Logic and Metaphysics at the University of Konigsberg.
Most Illustrious, most Powerful Empress, Autocrat of all Russia, Most Gracious Empress and great wife!
With the death of the late Dr. and Professor Kipse, the chair of the ordinary Professor of Logic and metaphysics at our Konigsberg Academy became vacant. These two sciences have hitherto been the subject of a particularly careful study on my part.
Since I became an associate professor at the university here, I have been lecturing on both these sciences every six months. I have written two dissertations on these sciences, and I have also tried to present some sample of my studies in four articles published in the Konigsberg Academic Newspaper, in three programs, and in three other philosophical treatises.
The hope that I flatter myself to be appointed to the academic service in the subject of these sciences, and especially the most gracious disposition of your Imperial Majesty to extend your highest patronage and condescending guardianship to the sciences, compel me to most sincerely ask Your Imperial Majesty to most graciously confirm me to the vacant chair of an ordinary professor, as I hope that the Academic Senate in its consideration the required ability for this subject will accompany my loyal search with no unfavorable indications. I am ready to die in my deepest devotion to your Imperial Majesty, my most devoted slave Emmanuel Kant.
Konigsberg, December 14, 1758.
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And, by the way, if there were no Russians in Ukraine back in 2014, were there Germans in Russian Empire (including East Prussia) back in 1758? Wasn't Kant a Russian, then?

What had Cathrine to do with the university in Königsberg in 1758? Nothing or nothing? Her husband came in 1762 in power and she had to replace this drunkard about 9 month later also in 1762.

On March 15, 1770, Christoph Langhansen (1691-1770), who had been full professor of mathematics since 1719, died: one of the eight full-time positions in the Faculty of Philosophy could be filled. From the surviving correspondence between Kant, the university, the government and the ministry, it is clear that Kant, with the consent of King Frederick II, had arranged for an exchange of posts, which resulted in the transfer of Friedrich Johann Buck (1722-1786), who had been Professor of Logic and Metaphysics since 1759, to the professorship of mathematics vacated by Langhansen's death and led to Kant's own successful application for the vacant professorship of Logic and Metaphysics.

Source: Kant als Professor - Kant in Olsztyn

And Immanuel Kant was not Polish and was no Russian. He had been only a German but spoke many languages.