Scholz rejects ‘dictated peace’ for Ukraine as Europe reels after Trump-Putin call

[Deadstick]

See you around suckers.

 

[Zavulon]

Sure you can again murder 40 million Russians and again take care that 100 million Chinese will be murdered and 50 millions and more of other nations. But you underestimate what will happen when you will start World War 3 now. In the last scenario which I know - decades old - will in the first days of world war 3 die about 700 million people - not including our own losses.

There are a lot of scenarios. Including scenarios of a limited nuclear war in Europe.

 

[zaangalewa]

Eh what?

Only "Eh?". Written out: "What for heavens sake do you like to say with this absurde words? - Better to known or better not to know?"

 

[zaangalewa]

There are a lot of scenarios. Including scenarios of a limited nuclear war in Europe.

Says a criminal idiot, a stupid criminal or an absurde alien? If this would be a statement of the Russian government then this statement alone would give anyone in the world the moral right - also the Chinese and the Indians and the Pakistani - to wipe out Russia completely.

What you did do in your dark way, stupid Russian, when you started to attack your own roots and started to try to genocide your own historical parents, would had caused in the so called "dark ages" a wide spread war on all borders of Russia, because no one can be sure any longer that you respect anyone. You are not the nation which is able to let fear others - you are the nation which has to live in deep fear on your own. And I guess this is exactly the plan of Putin. This Satan is doing war on all Russians on reason to be the imagination of an heroe who frees them from their fear while indeed produding this fear.

Very short: You are alone, Russia. Damn alone. Only the absurde high-treacherous president Donald Trump and his criminal gang is your friend. But not so the real USA. Always someone has to be Satan's court jester in the world. A good choice of Satana to give the US-American president this job now - but this will help him nothing. Also in this way he will not be able to find the love of god because god loves him anyway - he's only not able to understand this. But no one is lost except he likes to be lost. Peace is not only a dream - peace is able to be reality. Also for and in Russia. Do not try to go an irreversible historical way. History not knows experiments, Russian. Your risk is the survival of all and any Russian - caused from you alone and not from anyone else.



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„Es ist alles eitel"

Du siehst, wohin du siehst, nur Eitelkeit auf Erden.
Was dieser heute baut, reißt jener morgen ein;
Wo jetzund Städte stehn, wird eine Wiese sein,
Auf der ein Schäferskind wird spielen mit den Herden;

Was jetzund prächtig blüht, soll bald zertreten werden;
Was jetzt so pocht und trotzt, ist morgen Asch und Bein;
Nichts ist, das ewig sei, kein Erz, kein Marmorstein.
Jetzt lacht das Glück uns an, bald donnern die Beschwerden.

Der hohen Taten Ruhm muss wie ein Traum vergehn.
Soll denn das Spiel der Zeit, der leichte Mensch, bestehn?
Ach, was ist alles dies, was wir vor köstlich achten,

Als schlechte Nichtigkeit, als Schatten, Staub und Wind,
Als eine Wiesenblum, die man nicht wieder find't!
Noch will, was ewig ist, kein einig Mensch betrachten.

Andreas Gryphius (1616-1664)

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[Robert W]

Scholz rejects ‘dictated peace’ for Ukraine as Europe reels after Trump-Putin call

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz on Thursday said a deal to end the Ukraine war should not be imposed on Kyiv as European leaders warned of security implications on the continent after US President Donald…

www.france24.com

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz on Thursday said a deal to end the Ukraine war should not be imposed on Kyiv as European leaders warned of security implications on the continent after US President Donald Trump agreed to open negotiations with Russian President Vladimir Putin in a phone call.

Fine then Jack, you pay the damn bills.

They're welcome to join Ukraine if they want to have more of a say and become the main benefactors of the grift instead of the dems and gop neocons.

LOL, Europe tells the US what they want, hell, without the US there is NO NATO and NO Europe, Ukraine is certainly in no position to negotiate with Putin, and neither are the EU weenies like Scholz.

Trump is not in a position to negotiate with Putin not including Zelensky.

 

[Zavulon]

Trump is not in a position to negotiate with Putin not including Zelensky.

Why not? Our two independent states can talk to each other, can't they?

 

[Zavulon]

Says a criminal idiot, a stupid criminal or an absurde alien? If this would be a statement of the Russian government then this statement alone would give anyone in the world the moral right - also the Chinese and the Indians and the Pakistani - to wipe out Russia completely.

What you did do in your dark way, stupid Russian, when you started to attack your own roots and started to try to genocide your own historical parents, would had caused in the so called "dark ages" a wide spread war on all borders of Russia, because no one can be sure any longer that you respect anyone. You are not the nation which is able to let fear others - you are the nation which has to live in deep fear on your own. And I guess this is exactly the plan of Putin. This Satan is doing war on all Russians on reason to be the imagination of an heroe who frees them from their fear while indeed produding this fear.

Very short: You are alone, Russia. Damn alone. Only the absurde high-treacherous president Donald Trump and his criminal gang is your friend. But not so the real USA. Always someone has to be Satan's court jester in the world. A good choice of Satana to give the US-American president this job now - but this will help him nothing. Also in this way he will not be able to find the love of god because god loves him anyway - he's only not able to understand this. But no one is lost except he likes to be lost. Peace is not only a dream - peace is able to be reality. Also for and in Russia. Do not try to go an irreversible historical way. History not knows experiments, Russian. Your risk is the survival of all and any Russian - caused from you alone and not from anyone else.



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„Es ist alles eitel"

Du siehst, wohin du siehst, nur Eitelkeit auf Erden.
Was dieser heute baut, reißt jener morgen ein;
Wo jetzund Städte stehn, wird eine Wiese sein,
Auf der ein Schäferskind wird spielen mit den Herden;

Was jetzund prächtig blüht, soll bald zertreten werden;
Was jetzt so pocht und trotzt, ist morgen Asch und Bein;
Nichts ist, das ewig sei, kein Erz, kein Marmorstein.
Jetzt lacht das Glück uns an, bald donnern die Beschwerden.

Der hohen Taten Ruhm muss wie ein Traum vergehn.
Soll denn das Spiel der Zeit, der leichte Mensch, bestehn?
Ach, was ist alles dies, was wir vor köstlich achten,

Als schlechte Nichtigkeit, als Schatten, Staub und Wind,
Als eine Wiesenblum, die man nicht wieder find't!
Noch will, was ewig ist, kein einig Mensch betrachten.

Andreas Gryphius (1616-1664)

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Of course we are aliens.

The question is that American Imperialistic Predator isn't anything better. Whoever wins - Europe lose.

 

[Bleipriester]

Trump is not in a position to negotiate with Putin not including Zelensky.

Trump can negotiate the withdrawal of the US from the war with Putin.
That will make Zelensky accept Russian terms. If he makes that mining deal with Trump, he injects strong US interests into Ukraine and thus creates automatic security guarantees.
What Scholz says does not matter. He expects some toxic agent after his departure but it doesn´t look like he isn´t used to it so what does he fear?

 

[Robert W]

Trump can negotiate the withdrawal of the US from the war with Putin.
That will make Zelensky accept Russian terms. If he makes that mining deal with Trump, he injects strong US interests into Ukraine and thus creates automatic security guarantees.
What Scholz says does not matter. He expects some toxic agent after his departure but it doesn´t look like he isn´t used to it so what does he fear?

The USA owes Putin nothing at all.

 

[Bleipriester]

The USA owes Putin nothing at all.

No. But Trump owes the Americans strong efforts to end this war.

 

[Robert W]

No. But Trump owes the Americans strong efforts to end this war.

It is simple to stop. Putin must leave ukraine and start paying them for his damage.

 

[Bleipriester]

It is simple to stop. Putin must leave ukraine and start paying them for his damage.

We don´t live in a world where the defeated impose the peace terms on the victorious.

 

[Zavulon]

It is simple to stop. Putin must leave ukraine and start paying them for his damage.

Russians are not interested in "just peace". Russians are interested in the "equal safety and equal rights peace".

 

[dudmuck]

Trump can negotiate the withdrawal of the US from the war with Putin.
That will make Zelensky accept Russian terms. If he makes that mining deal with Trump, he injects strong US interests into Ukraine and thus creates automatic security guarantees.
What Scholz says does not matter. He expects some toxic agent after his departure but it doesn´t look like he isn´t used to it so what does he fear?

 

[Zavulon]

Actually, Reagan -Gorbachev treaty became possible only for the one reason. Western countries owed that there will be no one inch eastward expansion of NATO. They lied. So, Russians are coming back for what is rightfully their. And no, it's not just a "half of Ukraine"

 

[zaangalewa]

... Of course we are aliens. ...

 

[zaangalewa]

Russians are not interested in "just peace". Russians are interested in the "equal safety and equal rights peace".

A nice genociding Borg formula in your case. Remembers me somehow to the deadly propaganda of the elitarian Hamas leaders of the Palestinian people - murdering children, women and old people and their Hamas message "Hate all Palestinians and hate all Muslims because we are the monsters from the Hamas".

I'm by the way convinced that the worst peace is much better than the best war. So why do you do war? Accept the will of the Ukrainian people and leave their country with all of your soldiers. Yesterday.

 

[zaangalewa]

Why not? Our two independent states can talk to each other, can't they?

And who is listening? The Quipu superstructure?

 

[Zavulon]

A nice genociding Borg formula in your case.

Of course no. "Equal rights and equal safety" formula is "genocidal" only if you can't live without abusing and killing other people.

Remembers me somehow to the deadly propaganda of the elitarian Hamas leaders of the Palestinian people - murdering children, women and old people and their Hamas message "Hate all Palestinians and hate all Muslims because we are the monsters from the Hamas".

Hamas are not "monsters". They are just fighting for survival of their people.

I'm by the way convinced that the worst peace is much better than the best war. So why do you do war?

Really? You are lying to us again. If you are convinced that the worst peace is much better than the best war - why do you support Kievan regime? If you didn't support them - the war could be over two years ago, or even hadn't started at all.

Accept the will of the Ukrainian people and leave their country with all of your soldiers. Yesterday.

Open borders and allow "Ukrainian people" (whatever you mean) leave Russian land. Or, accept the will of Russian people and leave NATO. Or, at least, start elections in Ukraine and really ask, what Ukrainians really want - live in Russia, live in Russia-friendly state or die in the vain attempt to join NATO and genocide local Russians.

 

[zaangalewa]

Of course no. "Equal rights and equal safety" formula is "genocidal" only if you can't live without abusing and killing other people.

Russian, do not try to tell me bullshit. You murdered and are murdering in masses people and cultures.

Hamas are not "monsters".

They are. They torture and murder children, women and old people.

They are just fighting for survival of their people.

From my point of view the Hamas fights against the Islam and the Christian religion and against the Palestinian people.

Really? You are lying to us again.

Idiot.

If you are convinced that the worst peace is much better than the best war - why do you support Kievan regime?

Let me think about. Hmm. What could be the reason why we support the Ukraine? Is it possible this could have to do something with your war against the Ukraine and the will of the Ukrainians to stay to be an independent and free nation under independent and free nations?

If you didn't support them - the war could be over two years ago, or even hadn't started at all.

Best idea you ever had. Why did you start this stupid, senseless and criminal war on Europe in the Ukraine, Unglückseliger? End it. Leave the Ukraine with all of your soldiers. Yesterday.

Open borders and allow "Ukrainian people" (whatever you mean) leave Russian land.

Eh?

Or, accept the will of Russian people and leave NATO.

Eh?

Or, at least, start elections in Ukraine and really ask, what Ukrainians really want - live in Russia, live in Russia-friendly state or die in the vain attempt to join NATO and genocide local Russians.

Undear Russian idiot mine - you started with Russian combatants (=terrorists) a fake civil war in the Ukraine. The most victims of your tarned criminal soldiers had been Ukrainian civilists. Leave the Ukraine with all of your soldiers and combatants and terrorists - yesterday. For all other Russians I do not see any problem. The Ukrainians are civilized people. But you made this war. Before you started your absurde war the Ukrainians saw in Russia their best ally. Why you destroyed your traditionally good relations in the Ukraine I will never understand.Now the good relations between Russians and Ukrainians are past. Putins fault.