Saying the quiet thing out loud..........again.

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No, it is because mail voting is about as secure as a cardboard safe.
Is that why Republicans have used it so often over the past several decades?
One for his fiancee, two for people who had not lived there in at least 3 years, one for someone who had NEVER lived at that address, and one addressed to a neighbor
Sure. We believe you. Really
And even if it is true, so what? You mark the "wrong" envelopes "return to sender, not at this address" and then the election office can inactivate and eventually cancel the voter.
 

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Protections Against Impersonation
  • Authentication of request for mail ballot: When mail ballot requests have been received for the 2020 elections, states have used a range of procedures to make sure the requests have been coming from currently registered voters by checking the voter registration database. Thirty-three states compare information submitted by an applicant with the individual’s voter registration record. footnote14_apzm70641 Of those 33, 16 also conduct a signature verification comparing the application signature with that in the voter registration record. footnote15_14x7fkt42 An additional state requires an oath on the mail ballot request. footnote16_tyf7xtf43 Five states require voters to provide additional documentation or take additional steps for verification, and two states issue the mail ballot upon application. footnote17_05pf2uz44 Depending on the state and other practices, the verified absentee voter may be removed from the pollbook (used to check in voters at the polling place) after a clerk sends the mail ballot packet. footnote18_smpgqzy45 In other states, voters are not removed from the pollbook, but only one ballot will be recorded and any additional ballots will be automatically canceled (as a result of bar code features). footnote19_iduo55w46
  • Individualized ballot envelopes: Mail ballot packets sent to voters are individualized for each voter and include individualized return envelopes. The ballot envelopes generally include an individualized serial number or bar code as a mechanism to ensure there is only one vote per individual voter. Indeed, most election jurisdictions now use some form of bar code on their ballot envelopes. These bar codes allow election officials to keep track of ballot processing and help voters know whether their ballot has been received. Bar codes also allow states to identify and eliminate duplicate ballots if more than one ballot has been cast in a voter’s name, whether mistakenly or corruptly.
  • Ballot Tracking: Knowing where a mail ballot is during all steps of its round-trip journey — from an election office to a voter and back to an election office for processing and tabulation — limits the opportunity for a ballot to be diverted from where it should be and to whom it should be sent.
There are multiple types of ballot tracking, as well as systems that integrate these underlying tracking devices to provide elections officials and voters with easier access to information about mail ballots. The first mail ballot tracking device is the U.S. Postal Service’s Intelligent Mail Barcode (IMB). Many jurisdictions, including California, Colorado, and Florida, equip their ballot envelopes with intelligent mail bar codes to enable tracking of ballot envelopes through the U.S. mail. footnote20_rsw54ti47 IMBs are primarily used to track mail ballots on their way from elections offices to voters, though some jurisdictions also use them to track return of completed mail ballots. footnote21_af37mp448 More often, a different type of postal code, which slightly modifies the original IMB, is used for return of mail ballots from voters to elections offices. The final ballot tracking device — called “internal bar codes” in this report and referenced above in the entry regarding individualized ballot envelopes — is not a postal bar code but rather allows elections officials to track mail ballots as they make their way through the voting process, from issuance to a voter, to receipt by the elections office, to rejection or acceptance, to tabulation and counting. footnote22_ptel9p749 Most jurisdictions across the country use these internal bar codes as part of election administration.
 

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Why is confidence shaken? There was a hand recount of all the ballots verifying Biden's victory
A hand recount is meaningless when you keep recounting the illegal ballots that come in the dead of night and observers are not allowed to do their job.

You leftist understand this but you need to keep repeating the lie
 

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Why is confidence shaken? There was a hand recount of all the ballots verifying Biden's victory
A hand recount is meaningless when you keep recounting the illegal ballots that come in the dead of night and observers are not allowed to do their job.

You leftist understand this but you need to keep repeating the lie
Observers were allowed to do their jobs.


The lies (BIG lies) are all coming from Trump and his psychophants.
 

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Why is confidence shaken? There was a hand recount of all the ballots verifying Biden's victory
A hand recount is meaningless when you keep recounting the illegal ballots that come in the dead of night and observers are not allowed to do their job.

You leftist understand this but you need to keep repeating the lie
Observers were allowed to do their jobs.


The lies (BIG lies) are all coming from Trump and his psychophants.
Poilitifact is almost as shitty a source as Snopes.

We going to believe those hacks or 1,500 affidavits?
 

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Why is confidence shaken? There was a hand recount of all the ballots verifying Biden's victory
A hand recount is meaningless when you keep recounting the illegal ballots that come in the dead of night and observers are not allowed to do their job.

You leftist understand this but you need to keep repeating the lie
Observers were allowed to do their jobs.


The lies (BIG lies) are all coming from Trump and his psychophants.
Poilitifact is almost as shitty a source as Snopes.

We going to believe those hacks or 1,500 affidavits?
The affidavits that didn't stand up in court?
 

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Why is confidence shaken? There was a hand recount of all the ballots verifying Biden's victory
A hand recount is meaningless when you keep recounting the illegal ballots that come in the dead of night and observers are not allowed to do their job.

You leftist understand this but you need to keep repeating the lie
Observers were allowed to do their jobs.


The lies (BIG lies) are all coming from Trump and his psychophants.
Poilitifact is almost as shitty a source as Snopes.

We going to believe those hacks or 1,500 affidavits?
The affidavits that didn't stand up in court?
Affidavits that were never looked at by any court, lying hack.
 

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Why is confidence shaken? There was a hand recount of all the ballots verifying Biden's victory
A hand recount is meaningless when you keep recounting the illegal ballots that come in the dead of night and observers are not allowed to do their job.

You leftist understand this but you need to keep repeating the lie
Observers were allowed to do their jobs.


The lies (BIG lies) are all coming from Trump and his psychophants.
Poilitifact is almost as shitty a source as Snopes.

We going to believe those hacks or 1,500 affidavits?
The affidavits that didn't stand up in court?
Affidavits that were never looked at by any court, lying hack.
Is it because you don't get your news from credible sources that you're so ill informed? (Serious question)


Signed and sworn statements from more than 100 people included in a new lawsuit filed in a Michigan federal court by the campaign of President Donald Trump allege misconduct in the processing and counting of ballots in Detroit.
 

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Why is confidence shaken? There was a hand recount of all the ballots verifying Biden's victory
A hand recount is meaningless when you keep recounting the illegal ballots that come in the dead of night and observers are not allowed to do their job.

You leftist understand this but you need to keep repeating the lie
Observers were allowed to do their jobs.


The lies (BIG lies) are all coming from Trump and his psychophants.
Poilitifact is almost as shitty a source as Snopes.

We going to believe those hacks or 1,500 affidavits?
The affidavits that didn't stand up in court?
Affidavits that were never looked at by any court, lying hack.
Is it because you don't get your news from credible sources that you're so ill informed? (Serious question)


Signed and sworn statements from more than 100 people included in a new lawsuit filed in a Michigan federal court by the campaign of President Donald Trump allege misconduct in the processing and counting of ballots in Detroit.
More cases thrown out before anything was entered into evidence.

Why can't you stop lying?
 

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Why is confidence shaken? There was a hand recount of all the ballots verifying Biden's victory
A hand recount is meaningless when you keep recounting the illegal ballots that come in the dead of night and observers are not allowed to do their job.

You leftist understand this but you need to keep repeating the lie
Observers were allowed to do their jobs.


The lies (BIG lies) are all coming from Trump and his psychophants.
Poilitifact is almost as shitty a source as Snopes.

We going to believe those hacks or 1,500 affidavits?
The affidavits that didn't stand up in court?
Affidavits that were never looked at by any court, lying hack.
Is it because you don't get your news from credible sources that you're so ill informed? (Serious question)


Signed and sworn statements from more than 100 people included in a new lawsuit filed in a Michigan federal court by the campaign of President Donald Trump allege misconduct in the processing and counting of ballots in Detroit.
More cases thrown out before anything was entered into evidence.

Why can't you stop lying?
They were thrown out for lack of evidence, dolt. The affidavits were not credible, stemmed from a lack of procedural understanding or were just stupid...so they were thrown out. They were, however allowed to be introduced. Get better sources of information.
 

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Why is confidence shaken? There was a hand recount of all the ballots verifying Biden's victory
A hand recount is meaningless when you keep recounting the illegal ballots that come in the dead of night and observers are not allowed to do their job.

You leftist understand this but you need to keep repeating the lie
Why are you continuing to lie about illegal ballots that come in the dead of night?

Clearly, you know that is NOT TRUE??
 

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How do you vote in the wrong precinct by mistake?
By making a mistake. The point is the votes are being cast by registered voters. Why don't Repubs want to count them? Because they think it's to their advantage to throw them out.
No, by being an idiot.

If you can't find the assigned precinct polling place, which is in your own neighborhood, you're too stupid to vote.
Voting by mail would make that moot.
Voting by mail is an open invitation to fraud....Cheating favors your team.
Is that why Trump voted by mail?
He voted absentee, not "by mail"....Thare's a vast difference and you're playing stupid on purpose to pretend as though there isn't.
FYI- there is ZERO difference in Florida between absentee voting and vote by mail....none, zip, zilch. No difference at all.... there are no restrictions for any registered voter to request a ballot... Florida calls it vote by mail now and not absentee voting from one article that I read....

my state is the same and so is it for a few dozen states.... they've been changing their laws over the past couple of decades to not need an excuse for an absentee ballot.... if registered just request one.

And if you see mail in voting as meaning state gvts mailing ballots to all voters....

the battle ground states DID NOT DO SUCH MAILINGS, you had to request an absentee ballot and be an active registered voter, to get one.... Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan etc DID NOT mass mail ballots, the voter HAD TO request one, just like the former president Trump.
Thanks! Maine, requires a notary for a third party that is not immediate family, if they are dropping it off.

I've voted absentee for the past 14 years living here, but have never needed my ballot notarized because I have mailed it, or had my husband drop it off the day he votes in person.
Dear Care4all Oddball pknopp
When it was just Military, Students or few people per district using absentee or mailin ballots, it wasn't enough to raise concerns.

But with MILLIONS more ballots per state, plus narrow margins of fewer than 20-50k vote differences, this is what caused objections to unnotarized ballots that could not be verified within the timeframe to meet the same standards as before.

Because people and states did not all agree to the same rules, changes and process, the unresolved conflicts disrupt communication as needed to resolve disputes to ensure equal representation and protection of people of all beliefs, parties and creeds.

We should have agreed on rules and process before the election.
 

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How do you vote in the wrong precinct by mistake?
By making a mistake. The point is the votes are being cast by registered voters. Why don't Repubs want to count them? Because they think it's to their advantage to throw them out.
No, by being an idiot.

If you can't find the assigned precinct polling place, which is in your own neighborhood, you're too stupid to vote.
Voting by mail would make that moot.
Voting by mail is an open invitation to fraud....Cheating favors your team.
Is that why Trump voted by mail?
He voted absentee, not "by mail"....Thare's a vast difference and you're playing stupid on purpose to pretend as though there isn't.
He voted absentee, not "by mail"....Thare's a vast difference and you're playing stupid on purpose to pretend as though there isn't.
There is no practical difference whatsoever. Both ballots are processed in the same way.
No Hutch Starskey
The difference is verifying ID under penalty of perjury BEFORE submitting votes by mailin ballots.
This makes all the difference when verifying signatures and counting votes.

Without verifying if the ballots were filled by the actual person named, the same ballots can be recounted over and over and defeat the whole purpose of challenging the count!

You just pointed out what is wrong with this system. All you are doing is counting the ballots as the same whether they are notarized and proven to be cast by the individual named, or filled out by other people.

As others pointed out, this is why all other countries don't use mail-in ballots, but require voting in person. Even inking each person's finger to ensure they only vote once!
 

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Why is confidence shaken? There was a hand recount of all the ballots verifying Biden's victory
A hand recount is meaningless when you keep recounting the illegal ballots that come in the dead of night and observers are not allowed to do their job.

You leftist understand this but you need to keep repeating the lie
Observers were allowed to do their jobs.


The lies (BIG lies) are all coming from Trump and his psychophants.
Poilitifact is almost as shitty a source as Snopes.

We going to believe those hacks or 1,500 affidavits?
The affidavits that didn't stand up in court?
They weren't heard or presented in court. The courts refused to hear these cases out of inconvenience because it would hold up the election process. The argument used was no standing, that the national election rules did not provide for one state to argue over another state process. But this loophole in the law still allowed some states to change their rules enough to allow PARTY interests to abuse state process to distort national representation biased toward the PARTY pushing for these changes and pushing for their constituents to vote for their candidates. The Conservatives who believe these changes violated rule of law and Constitutional equal protections across the states were discriminated against by these political beliefs and standards violated by the changes outside the agreed rules.

We need a Constitutional Convention to address this since the courts could not accommodate state issues that affect national election laws and process.
 

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It's not like he had to say it. Voting is a Constitutional right and we should make it as easy as possible. If you want a win, nominate someone the people can support.
People don't even have to vote to be counted in democrat cities. How much easier do you want it?
 

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Why is confidence shaken? There was a hand recount of all the ballots verifying Biden's victory
A hand recount is meaningless when you keep recounting the illegal ballots that come in the dead of night and observers are not allowed to do their job.

You leftist understand this but you need to keep repeating the lie
Why are you continuing to lie about illegal ballots that come in the dead of night?

Clearly, you know that is NOT TRUE??
Care4all
The burden of proof should have been put on the people and parties who changed the rules against the objections of those arguing for greater protections.

It isn't fair to remove conditions, such as notarization under penalty of perjury, that then open the door for accusations of anomalies, fraud or inaccuracies harder to prove.

The accusers wouldn't face this burden in the first place had we agreed to rules up front.

Sorry but this is like invading someone's house without their permission, then putting the burden on them to prove you didn't steal anything when they never trusted or invited you in to begin with.

Millions of mail-in ballots per state cannot be verified in time unless they were all notarized up front under penalty of perjury.
Without those conditions, which opponents argued for, it is unfair to take an impossible burden of proof created by other people and impose it on opponents who objected for that reason!

This is so backwards, it is almost impossible to straighten out afterwards.
 

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How do you vote in the wrong precinct by mistake?
By making a mistake. The point is the votes are being cast by registered voters. Why don't Repubs want to count them? Because they think it's to their advantage to throw them out.
No, by being an idiot.

If you can't find the assigned precinct polling place, which is in your own neighborhood, you're too stupid to vote.
Voting by mail would make that moot.
Voting by mail is an open invitation to fraud....Cheating favors your team.
Is that why Trump voted by mail?
He voted absentee, not "by mail"....Thare's a vast difference and you're playing stupid on purpose to pretend as though there isn't.
FYI- there is ZERO difference in Florida between absentee voting and vote by mail....none, zip, zilch. No difference at all.... there are no restrictions for any registered voter to request a ballot... Florida calls it vote by mail now and not absentee voting from one article that I read....

my state is the same and so is it for a few dozen states.... they've been changing their laws over the past couple of decades to not need an excuse for an absentee ballot.... if registered just request one.

And if you see mail in voting as meaning state gvts mailing ballots to all voters....

the battle ground states DID NOT DO SUCH MAILINGS, you had to request an absentee ballot and be an active registered voter, to get one.... Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan etc DID NOT mass mail ballots, the voter HAD TO request one, just like the former president Trump.
Thanks! Maine, requires a notary for a third party that is not immediate family, if they are dropping it off.

I've voted absentee for the past 14 years living here, but have never needed my ballot notarized because I have mailed it, or had my husband drop it off the day he votes in person.
Dear Care4all Oddball pknopp
When it was just Military, Students or few people per district using absentee or mailin ballots, it wasn't enough to raise concerns.

But with MILLIONS more ballots per state, plus narrow margins of fewer than 20-50k vote differences, this is what caused objections to unnotarized ballots that could not be verified within the timeframe to meet the same standards as before.

Because people and states did not all agree to the same rules, changes and process, the unresolved conflicts disrupt communication as needed to resolve disputes to ensure equal representation and protection of people of all beliefs, parties and creeds.

We should have agreed on rules and process before the election.
If voting in person is important you lead by example.
 

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How do you vote in the wrong precinct by mistake?
By making a mistake. The point is the votes are being cast by registered voters. Why don't Repubs want to count them? Because they think it's to their advantage to throw them out.
No, by being an idiot.

If you can't find the assigned precinct polling place, which is in your own neighborhood, you're too stupid to vote.
Voting by mail would make that moot.
Voting by mail is an open invitation to fraud....Cheating favors your team.
Is that why Trump voted by mail?
He voted absentee, not "by mail"....Thare's a vast difference and you're playing stupid on purpose to pretend as though there isn't.
He voted absentee, not "by mail"....Thare's a vast difference and you're playing stupid on purpose to pretend as though there isn't.
There is no practical difference whatsoever. Both ballots are processed in the same way.
No Hutch Starskey
The difference is verifying ID under penalty of perjury BEFORE submitting votes by mailin ballots.
This makes all the difference when verifying signatures and counting votes.

Without verifying if the ballots were filled by the actual person named, the same ballots can be recounted over and over and defeat the whole purpose of challenging the count!

You just pointed out what is wrong with this system. All you are doing is counting the ballots as the same whether they are notarized and proven to be cast by the individual named, or filled out by other people.

As others pointed out, this is why all other countries don't use mail-in ballots, but require voting in person. Even inking each person's finger to ensure they only vote once!
The difference is verifying ID under penalty of perjury BEFORE submitting votes by mailin ballots.
This makes all the difference when verifying signatures and counting votes.

Without verifying if the ballots were filled by the actual person named, the same ballots can be recounted over and over and defeat the whole purpose of challenging the count!
Ok....How is that different from an absentee ballot? They do not require notarization either. The absentee ballots are requested by the voter just as the mail in ballots are. There is no practical difference in how they are processed.
 

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Once in a while the cat gets out of the bag. It happened when Kevin McCarthy admitted the Repubs were holding hearings on Hillary because they were trying to knock her poll numbers down. It happened when Vlad's favorite candidate told the Russians he was meeting with in the Oval Office he fired Comey to "relieve pressure" from the "Russia (investigation) thing."

It happened again.

In Supreme Court, GOP attorney defends voting restrictions by saying they help Republicans win

An attorney for Arizona's Republican Party offered a blunt reason for his presence defending the state's voting restrictions before the Supreme Court on Tuesday: The measures disadvantage Democrats.

The Supreme Court is hearing arguments over Arizona voting restrictions in a pair of consolidated cases challenging a state law banning ballot collection and a policy that tosses ballots cast in the wrong precinct. Democrats have sued, saying the rules discriminate against minorities and violate Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/el...voting-restrictions-saying-they-help-n1259305
The GOPQ...aka Taliban of the United States, cannot win a straight up election. They need to disenfranchise voters and suppress the ability of as many people of color and those in the lower economic bracket to vote. The GOPQ is as sleazy as their Fat Man that they made a "MAD Magazine" statue of.
 

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