Seawytch
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And even if it is true, so what? You mark the "wrong" envelopes "return to sender, not at this address" and then the election office can inactivate and eventually cancel the voter.
Saying the quiet thing out loud..........again.
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And even if it is true, so what? You mark the "wrong" envelopes "return to sender, not at this address" and then the election office can inactivate and eventually cancel the voter.
Lesh
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Protections Against Impersonation
- Authentication of request for mail ballot: When mail ballot requests have been received for the 2020 elections, states have used a range of procedures to make sure the requests have been coming from currently registered voters by checking the voter registration database. Thirty-three states compare information submitted by an applicant with the individual’s voter registration record. footnote14_apzm70641 Of those 33, 16 also conduct a signature verification comparing the application signature with that in the voter registration record. footnote15_14x7fkt42 An additional state requires an oath on the mail ballot request. footnote16_tyf7xtf43 Five states require voters to provide additional documentation or take additional steps for verification, and two states issue the mail ballot upon application. footnote17_05pf2uz44 Depending on the state and other practices, the verified absentee voter may be removed from the pollbook (used to check in voters at the polling place) after a clerk sends the mail ballot packet. footnote18_smpgqzy45 In other states, voters are not removed from the pollbook, but only one ballot will be recorded and any additional ballots will be automatically canceled (as a result of bar code features). footnote19_iduo55w46
- Individualized ballot envelopes: Mail ballot packets sent to voters are individualized for each voter and include individualized return envelopes. The ballot envelopes generally include an individualized serial number or bar code as a mechanism to ensure there is only one vote per individual voter. Indeed, most election jurisdictions now use some form of bar code on their ballot envelopes. These bar codes allow election officials to keep track of ballot processing and help voters know whether their ballot has been received. Bar codes also allow states to identify and eliminate duplicate ballots if more than one ballot has been cast in a voter’s name, whether mistakenly or corruptly.
- Ballot Tracking: Knowing where a mail ballot is during all steps of its round-trip journey — from an election office to a voter and back to an election office for processing and tabulation — limits the opportunity for a ballot to be diverted from where it should be and to whom it should be sent.
Carl in Michigan
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A hand recount is meaningless when you keep recounting the illegal ballots that come in the dead of night and observers are not allowed to do their job.
You leftist understand this but you need to keep repeating the lie
Seawytch
Information isnt Advocacy
Observers were allowed to do their jobs.
Trump’s wrong claim on election observers
President Donald Trump wrongly claimed that Republican election observers have been barred from watching ballot counts i
www.politifact.com
The lies (BIG lies) are all coming from Trump and his psychophants.
Oddball
Unobtanium Member
Poilitifact is almost as shitty a source as Snopes.
Observers were allowed to do their jobs.
Trump’s wrong claim on election observers
President Donald Trump wrongly claimed that Republican election observers have been barred from watching ballot counts i
The lies (BIG lies) are all coming from Trump and his psychophants.
We going to believe those hacks or 1,500 affidavits?
Seawytch
Information isnt Advocacy
The affidavits that didn't stand up in court?Poilitifact is almost as shitty a source as Snopes.
Observers were allowed to do their jobs.
Trump’s wrong claim on election observers
President Donald Trump wrongly claimed that Republican election observers have been barred from watching ballot counts i
The lies (BIG lies) are all coming from Trump and his psychophants.
We going to believe those hacks or 1,500 affidavits?
Oddball
Unobtanium Member
Speaking of saying the quiet part out loud....
Oddball
Unobtanium Member
Affidavits that were never looked at by any court, lying hack.The affidavits that didn't stand up in court?Poilitifact is almost as shitty a source as Snopes.
Observers were allowed to do their jobs.
Trump’s wrong claim on election observers
President Donald Trump wrongly claimed that Republican election observers have been barred from watching ballot counts i
The lies (BIG lies) are all coming from Trump and his psychophants.
We going to believe those hacks or 1,500 affidavits?
Seawytch
Information isnt Advocacy
Affidavits that were never looked at by any court, lying hack.The affidavits that didn't stand up in court?Poilitifact is almost as shitty a source as Snopes.
Observers were allowed to do their jobs.
Trump’s wrong claim on election observers
President Donald Trump wrongly claimed that Republican election observers have been barred from watching ballot counts i
The lies (BIG lies) are all coming from Trump and his psychophants.
We going to believe those hacks or 1,500 affidavits?
Is it because you don't get your news from credible sources that you're so ill informed? (Serious question)
Trump lawsuit affidavits allege Michigan election misconduct, don't show widespread fraud
The Trump campaign filed the affidavits with a lawsuit in an effort to temporarily prevent the certification of Michigan election results.
www.freep.com
Signed and sworn statements from more than 100 people included in a new lawsuit filed in a Michigan federal court by the campaign of President Donald Trump allege misconduct in the processing and counting of ballots in Detroit.
Evidence? Hearsay? Voter fraud claims in affidavits, explained
While no hard evidence has been discovered to support widespread voter fraud claims in the 2020 election, plenty of people have signed their name to sworn testimony.
www.clickondetroit.com
Oddball
Unobtanium Member
More cases thrown out before anything was entered into evidence.Affidavits that were never looked at by any court, lying hack.The affidavits that didn't stand up in court?Poilitifact is almost as shitty a source as Snopes.
Observers were allowed to do their jobs.
Trump’s wrong claim on election observers
President Donald Trump wrongly claimed that Republican election observers have been barred from watching ballot counts i
The lies (BIG lies) are all coming from Trump and his psychophants.
We going to believe those hacks or 1,500 affidavits?
Is it because you don't get your news from credible sources that you're so ill informed? (Serious question)
Trump lawsuit affidavits allege Michigan election misconduct, don't show widespread fraud
The Trump campaign filed the affidavits with a lawsuit in an effort to temporarily prevent the certification of Michigan election results.www.freep.com
Signed and sworn statements from more than 100 people included in a new lawsuit filed in a Michigan federal court by the campaign of President Donald Trump allege misconduct in the processing and counting of ballots in Detroit. Evidence? Hearsay? Voter fraud claims in affidavits, explained
While no hard evidence has been discovered to support widespread voter fraud claims in the 2020 election, plenty of people have signed their name to sworn testimony.
Why can't you stop lying?
Seawytch
Information isnt Advocacy
More cases thrown out before anything was entered into evidence.Affidavits that were never looked at by any court, lying hack.The affidavits that didn't stand up in court?Poilitifact is almost as shitty a source as Snopes.
Observers were allowed to do their jobs.
Trump’s wrong claim on election observers
President Donald Trump wrongly claimed that Republican election observers have been barred from watching ballot counts i
The lies (BIG lies) are all coming from Trump and his psychophants.
We going to believe those hacks or 1,500 affidavits?
Is it because you don't get your news from credible sources that you're so ill informed? (Serious question)
Trump lawsuit affidavits allege Michigan election misconduct, don't show widespread fraud
The Trump campaign filed the affidavits with a lawsuit in an effort to temporarily prevent the certification of Michigan election results.www.freep.com
Signed and sworn statements from more than 100 people included in a new lawsuit filed in a Michigan federal court by the campaign of President Donald Trump allege misconduct in the processing and counting of ballots in Detroit. Evidence? Hearsay? Voter fraud claims in affidavits, explained
While no hard evidence has been discovered to support widespread voter fraud claims in the 2020 election, plenty of people have signed their name to sworn testimony.
Why can't you stop lying?
They were thrown out for lack of evidence, dolt. The affidavits were not credible, stemmed from a lack of procedural understanding or were just stupid...so they were thrown out. They were, however allowed to be introduced. Get better sources of information.
Why are you continuing to lie about illegal ballots that come in the dead of night?
Clearly, you know that is NOT TRUE??
emilynghiem
Constitutionalist / Universalist
Dear Care4all Oddball pknoppThanks! Maine, requires a notary for a third party that is not immediate family, if they are dropping it off.
A guide to state vote-by-mail ballot notarization requirements
As the November 2020 general election draws closer, Notaries are likely to get requests to notarize absentee or mail-in ballots. In these states, notarization plays an important part in the vote-by-mail process.www.nationalnotary.org
I've voted absentee for the past 14 years living here, but have never needed my ballot notarized because I have mailed it, or had my husband drop it off the day he votes in person.
When it was just Military, Students or few people per district using absentee or mailin ballots, it wasn't enough to raise concerns.
But with MILLIONS more ballots per state, plus narrow margins of fewer than 20-50k vote differences, this is what caused objections to unnotarized ballots that could not be verified within the timeframe to meet the same standards as before.
Because people and states did not all agree to the same rules, changes and process, the unresolved conflicts disrupt communication as needed to resolve disputes to ensure equal representation and protection of people of all beliefs, parties and creeds.
We should have agreed on rules and process before the election.
emilynghiem
Constitutionalist / Universalist
No Hutch Starskey
The difference is verifying ID under penalty of perjury BEFORE submitting votes by mailin ballots.
This makes all the difference when verifying signatures and counting votes.
Without verifying if the ballots were filled by the actual person named, the same ballots can be recounted over and over and defeat the whole purpose of challenging the count!
You just pointed out what is wrong with this system. All you are doing is counting the ballots as the same whether they are notarized and proven to be cast by the individual named, or filled out by other people.
As others pointed out, this is why all other countries don't use mail-in ballots, but require voting in person. Even inking each person's finger to ensure they only vote once!
emilynghiem
Constitutionalist / Universalist
They weren't heard or presented in court. The courts refused to hear these cases out of inconvenience because it would hold up the election process. The argument used was no standing, that the national election rules did not provide for one state to argue over another state process. But this loophole in the law still allowed some states to change their rules enough to allow PARTY interests to abuse state process to distort national representation biased toward the PARTY pushing for these changes and pushing for their constituents to vote for their candidates. The Conservatives who believe these changes violated rule of law and Constitutional equal protections across the states were discriminated against by these political beliefs and standards violated by the changes outside the agreed rules.The affidavits that didn't stand up in court?Poilitifact is almost as shitty a source as Snopes.
Observers were allowed to do their jobs.
Trump’s wrong claim on election observers
President Donald Trump wrongly claimed that Republican election observers have been barred from watching ballot counts i
The lies (BIG lies) are all coming from Trump and his psychophants.
We going to believe those hacks or 1,500 affidavits?
We need a Constitutional Convention to address this since the courts could not accommodate state issues that affect national election laws and process.
CrusaderFrank
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People don't even have to vote to be counted in democrat cities. How much easier do you want it?
emilynghiem
Constitutionalist / Universalist
Care4all
The burden of proof should have been put on the people and parties who changed the rules against the objections of those arguing for greater protections.
It isn't fair to remove conditions, such as notarization under penalty of perjury, that then open the door for accusations of anomalies, fraud or inaccuracies harder to prove.
The accusers wouldn't face this burden in the first place had we agreed to rules up front.
Sorry but this is like invading someone's house without their permission, then putting the burden on them to prove you didn't steal anything when they never trusted or invited you in to begin with.
Millions of mail-in ballots per state cannot be verified in time unless they were all notarized up front under penalty of perjury.
Without those conditions, which opponents argued for, it is unfair to take an impossible burden of proof created by other people and impose it on opponents who objected for that reason!
This is so backwards, it is almost impossible to straighten out afterwards.
pknopp
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Dear Care4all Oddball pknoppThanks! Maine, requires a notary for a third party that is not immediate family, if they are dropping it off.A guide to state vote-by-mail ballot notarization requirements
As the November 2020 general election draws closer, Notaries are likely to get requests to notarize absentee or mail-in ballots. In these states, notarization plays an important part in the vote-by-mail process.
I've voted absentee for the past 14 years living here, but have never needed my ballot notarized because I have mailed it, or had my husband drop it off the day he votes in person.
When it was just Military, Students or few people per district using absentee or mailin ballots, it wasn't enough to raise concerns.
But with MILLIONS more ballots per state, plus narrow margins of fewer than 20-50k vote differences, this is what caused objections to unnotarized ballots that could not be verified within the timeframe to meet the same standards as before.
Because people and states did not all agree to the same rules, changes and process, the unresolved conflicts disrupt communication as needed to resolve disputes to ensure equal representation and protection of people of all beliefs, parties and creeds.
We should have agreed on rules and process before the election.
If voting in person is important you lead by example.
Hutch Starskey
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Ok....How is that different from an absentee ballot? They do not require notarization either. The absentee ballots are requested by the voter just as the mail in ballots are. There is no practical difference in how they are processed.
The GOPQ...aka Taliban of the United States, cannot win a straight up election. They need to disenfranchise voters and suppress the ability of as many people of color and those in the lower economic bracket to vote. The GOPQ is as sleazy as their Fat Man that they made a "MAD Magazine" statue of.
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