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These 9 states and D.C. send ballots ahead of the election automatically to registered voters

  • Vermont
  • Nevada
  • District of Columbia
  • California
  • New Jersey
  • Colorado
  • Hawaii
  • Utah
  • Washington
  • Oregon
Five of those states — Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Utah and Washington — already held elections by mail even before the COVID-19 outbreak. California, Nevada, New Jersey, Vermont and the District have all opted to proactively send ballots to voters this year in response to COVID-19.

Oregon, Colorado and Washington have held successful all-mail elections for years, and other states, including Florida and California, expanded their vote-by-mail capacity before the pandemic. Nearly everywhere else, the technical and logistical challenges loom large for budget-squeezed election officials with limited experience.
Don't give a flying fuck....It's still open to corruption and cheating enough that nearly every other western nation on the planet prohibits doing it.
 

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So why was it an issue this year?

With Covid...absentee ballots became a partisan issue.

trumpers not fearing the virus voted in many states in person. Dems used early voting and absentee voting.

States with Republican legislatures set it up do that in person election day voting was counted first...giving the impression that Trump was winning.

Once the early votes were counted and absentee votes counted...it all changed.

BECAUSE TRUMP LOST

But it gave Republicans the opportunity to claim they were winning...at one point
Wrong....Mail-in balloting has always been open to fraud, especially the way you disingenuous crooks want to do it.
 

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Wrong....Mail-in balloting has always been open to fraud,
Is that why it's been a mainstay of Republicans for decades?
Irrelevant to the point.
Nope
The only state in your list that is reliably republican is Utah, dope.

Mail-in balloting is not a "mainstay of republican states", you liar.

In any event, your idiocy is beside the point that the universal mail-in balloting that you want is so open to fraud and cheating thet nearly every western nation on the planet has banned it.

That's the fact...Now go play in traffic.
 

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Once in a while the cat gets out of the bag. It happened when Kevin McCarthy admitted the Repubs were holding hearings on Hillary because they were trying to knock her poll numbers down. It happened when Vlad's favorite candidate told the Russians he was meeting with in the Oval Office he fired Comey to "relieve pressure" from the "Russia (investigation) thing."

It happened again.

In Supreme Court, GOP attorney defends voting restrictions by saying they help Republicans win

An attorney for Arizona's Republican Party offered a blunt reason for his presence defending the state's voting restrictions before the Supreme Court on Tuesday: The measures disadvantage Democrats.

The Supreme Court is hearing arguments over Arizona voting restrictions in a pair of consolidated cases challenging a state law banning ballot collection and a policy that tosses ballots cast in the wrong precinct. Democrats have sued, saying the rules discriminate against minorities and violate Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/el...voting-restrictions-saying-they-help-n1259305
They've given up even the pretext of honesty.
 

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Then you have this shitheel in GA saying........... “The way we begin to restore confidence in our voting system is by passing this bill." Why is confidence shaken? There was a hand recount of all the ballots verifying Biden's victory. Repub election officials disputed bogus claims of fraud. So confidence doesn't need to be restored. What needs to happen in the eyes of Repubs there is procedures being put in place to give Repubs an advantage.

Wow that was all one big messy dump of crap worse than a Pinochijoe 5PM Depends change.
And yet we all noticed you couldn’t explain why you thought this. We all know you have no argument against it.
 

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How do you vote in the wrong precinct by mistake?
By making a mistake. The point is the votes are being cast by registered voters. Why don't Repubs want to count them? Because they think it's to their advantage to throw them out.
No, by being an idiot.

If you can't find the assigned precinct polling place, which is in your own neighborhood, you're too stupid to vote.
Voting by mail would make that moot.
Voting by mail is an open invitation to fraud....Cheating favors your team.
Is that why Trump voted by mail?
He voted absentee, not "by mail"....Thare's a vast difference and you're playing stupid on purpose to pretend as though there isn't.
No he didn’t. Florida isn’t an “absentee” state.

Don’t believe me, ask Florida.

Horseshit semantics games...



Until 2002, Florida had required voters to provide an excuse to receive an application for a vote-by-mail ballot. Now, an excuse is not needed, but voters still need to procure their applications themselves, as they are not mailed automatically.

The Florida legislature officially changed the ballot name from "absentee" to “vote-by-mail” in 2016 to avoid confusion, according to the Palm Beach Post.

So in Florida...all you need to do is request an e-mail ballot and you get one.

Ohhh
Right....You have to ask for it and prove who you are....It's absentee under another name.

But you cheating schmendricks want them mailed out to anyone and everyone whether they want one or not, and without proving who you are.

I'm not fooled by your lame semantic dishonesty.
Only SIX states are "absentee" states that require an "excuse" to request a VBM ballot. The rest are no excuse Vote by Mail. As already pointed out to you, only nine states send a ballot, automatically, to all registered voters. Trump WON one of those states. Was Utah's election "fraudulent" ? Which of those 8 other states would Trump have won if not for them being "universal" Vote by Mail?
 

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Nearly every western nation on the planet has banned it.
Also false.


Before the coronavirus outbreak, about a quarter of countries had used postal ballots in their national elections. Out of 166 countries for which data is available, 40 used postal ballots in their most recent national election, according to country experts surveyed before the COVID-19 outbreak by the Electoral Integrity Project. Postal ballots were used most widely in Europe and North America and are also common in some countries in the Asia-Pacific region, such as India, Indonesia, South Korea and Sri Lanka. Postal ballots were not available in most African and Caribbean countries, and not available in any Middle Eastern or Latin American countries.​
 

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So why was it an issue this year?

With Covid...absentee ballots became a partisan issue.

trumpers not fearing the virus voted in many states in person. Dems used early voting and absentee voting.

States with Republican legislatures set it up do that in person election day voting was counted first...giving the impression that Trump was winning.

Once the early votes were counted and absentee votes counted...it all changed.

BECAUSE TRUMP LOST

But it gave Republicans the opportunity to claim they were winning...at one point
No, it is because mail voting is about as secure as a cardboard safe. Offhand, my neighbor got 5 ballots. One for his fiancee, two for people who had not lived there in at least 3 years, one for someone who had NEVER lived at that address, and one addressed to a neighbor.

Notably, he didn't actually get his ballot.
 

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Once in a while the cat gets out of the bag. It happened when Kevin McCarthy admitted the Repubs were holding hearings on Hillary because they were trying to knock her poll numbers down. It happened when Vlad's favorite candidate told the Russians he was meeting with in the Oval Office he fired Comey to "relieve pressure" from the "Russia (investigation) thing."

It happened again.

In Supreme Court, GOP attorney defends voting restrictions by saying they help Republicans win

An attorney for Arizona's Republican Party offered a blunt reason for his presence defending the state's voting restrictions before the Supreme Court on Tuesday: The measures disadvantage Democrats.

The Supreme Court is hearing arguments over Arizona voting restrictions in a pair of consolidated cases challenging a state law banning ballot collection and a policy that tosses ballots cast in the wrong precinct. Democrats have sued, saying the rules discriminate against minorities and violate Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/el...voting-restrictions-saying-they-help-n1259305
The on going Democratic party belief that minorities are to stupid to do anything.
 

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How do you vote in the wrong precinct by mistake?
By making a mistake. The point is the votes are being cast by registered voters. Why don't Repubs want to count them? Because they think it's to their advantage to throw them out.
No, by being an idiot.

If you can't find the assigned precinct polling place, which is in your own neighborhood, you're too stupid to vote.
Voting by mail would make that moot.
Voting by mail is an open invitation to fraud....Cheating favors your team.
Is that why Trump voted by mail?
He voted absentee, not "by mail"....Thare's a vast difference and you're playing stupid on purpose to pretend as though there isn't.
FYI- there is ZERO difference in Florida between absentee voting and vote by mail....none, zip, zilch. No difference at all.... there are no restrictions for any registered voter to request a ballot... Florida calls it vote by mail now and not absentee voting from one article that I read....

my state is the same and so is it for a few dozen states.... they've been changing their laws over the past couple of decades to not need an excuse for an absentee ballot.... if registered just request one.

And if you see mail in voting as meaning state gvts mailing ballots to all voters....

the battle ground states DID NOT DO SUCH MAILINGS, you had to request an absentee ballot and be an active registered voter, to get one.... Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan etc DID NOT mass mail ballots, the voter HAD TO request one, just like the former president Trump.
 

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How do you vote in the wrong precinct by mistake?
By making a mistake. The point is the votes are being cast by registered voters. Why don't Repubs want to count them? Because they think it's to their advantage to throw them out.
No, by being an idiot.

If you can't find the assigned precinct polling place, which is in your own neighborhood, you're too stupid to vote.
Voting by mail would make that moot.
Voting by mail is an open invitation to fraud....Cheating favors your team.


The facts aren't on your side.

My state is 100% mail in ballots. We've been that way since 2005.

Is it true that the state population of WA is only 7.7 million?

If all 50 states have several million mailin ballots, including ballots mailed out, that clearly exceeds the narrow margins in states with close races.

For contested races that close, with 10-50K differences in votes, this is where NOTARIZED ballots prevent the counts from being disputed.

Without notatized signatures, "recounting votes" didn't even address the REAL objection with inability to confirm signatures under penalty of law.

There was not full agreement on the rules BEFORE conducting federal elections.
 
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How do you vote in the wrong precinct by mistake?
By making a mistake. The point is the votes are being cast by registered voters. Why don't Repubs want to count them? Because they think it's to their advantage to throw them out.
No, by being an idiot.

If you can't find the assigned precinct polling place, which is in your own neighborhood, you're too stupid to vote.
Voting by mail would make that moot.
Voting by mail is an open invitation to fraud....Cheating favors your team.
Is that why Trump voted by mail?
TRUMP voted absentee, and he was clear the difference between absentee voting and mass unsolicited mail in ballots being sent out.
Utah sends out ballots to all and they voted for Trump. Did they cheat?

And again, he argued that EVERYONE should vote in person. You lead by example.
How do you vote in the wrong precinct by mistake?
By making a mistake. The point is the votes are being cast by registered voters. Why don't Repubs want to count them? Because they think it's to their advantage to throw them out.
No, by being an idiot.

If you can't find the assigned precinct polling place, which is in your own neighborhood, you're too stupid to vote.
Voting by mail would make that moot.
Voting by mail is an open invitation to fraud....Cheating favors your team.
Is that why Trump voted by mail?
He voted absentee, not "by mail"....Thare's a vast difference and you're playing stupid on purpose to pretend as though there isn't.
FYI- there is ZERO difference in Florida between absentee voting and vote by mail....none, zip, zilch. No difference at all.... there are no restrictions for any registered voter to request a ballot... Florida calls it vote by mail now and not absentee voting from one article that I read....

my state is the same and so is it for a few dozen states.... they've been changing their laws over the past couple of decades to not need an excuse for an absentee ballot.... if registered just request one.

And if you see mail in voting as meaning state gvts mailing ballots to all voters....

the battle ground states DID NOT DO SUCH MAILINGS, you had to request an absentee ballot and be an active registered voter, to get one.... Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan etc DID NOT mass mail ballots, the voter HAD TO request one, just like the former president Trump.
Wrong all the states you listed sent out mass request for absentee ballot. Many people showed were they received mailed request for absentee ballots for dead people, previous residents, children not old enough to vote...and a lot of people said they showed up to vote and were told they had already voted by mail, or that a ballot was sent in the mail, so they would have to vote previsional.
mass requests for absentee ballots IS NOT MASS MAILINGS OF ABSENTEE BALLOTS,
is NOT ...repeat... mass mailing of absentee ballots....

those people that tried to vote twice, (because Trump suggested they do so...) were shown their ballot envelopes with their signature on it etc.

trump suggested to his followers, if they voted absentee, go in to vote in person, to make certain their vote was counted.... giving him the benefit of doubt, he was saying to go in to vote in person, if your absentee vote was counted, then you will be stopped from voting in person because they received it but if they hadnt recorded it, vote in person while there.

in some states it is illegal to even try this....
Execpt in many states hundreds of thousands got ballots who didn't request them....This is the kind of foolishness that you want so y'all can cheat.
Who? Who in the Nov presidential election got a ballot, they did not request, in the contentious battleground states? Not aware of any?

Only Michigan mailed absentee request forms, IN MAY, for their primary, and those requesting ballots for the primary, was also signed up for receiving a ballot for the presidential election.

When citizens applied for a ballot in the primary, the request stated on it, they were signing up to receive ballots for the Primary and the November Presidential election.

Republican and Democratic legislators knew this took place in May for the August primary....it was encouraged at the time by both, as a covid protection.... only later did Rs start to object... They brought a suit before the court and lost, back in August 2020.


All Michigan voters should have received an absentee ballot application in May for the August primary and the November election. Voters will start to receive their ballots for the November elections up to 40 days prior to Election Day, or Sept. 24.

Sending applications for an absentee ballot is different from sending ballots directly to all registered voters.

But President Trump tweeted that the secretary had approved sending ballots, and threatened to withhold funding.

"Breaking: Michigan sends absentee ballots to 7.7 million people ahead of Primaries and the General Election. This was done illegally and without authorization by a rogue Secretary of State," Trump tweeted Wednesday morning. "I will ask to hold up funding to Michigan if they want to go down this Voter Fraud path!"


But Republican National Committee Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel said in May, “I don’t really have an issue with absentee ballot request forms being sent out to voters as much [as] ballots being sent directly to voters. I think the request form is one mechanism of ensuring that that voter is who they are.”

In August, a Michigan judge dismissed lawsuits from Republican candidates challenging the secretary of state’s universal absentee ballot applications decision, stating she had the “clear and broad" authority to do so.
 
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How do you vote in the wrong precinct by mistake?
By making a mistake. The point is the votes are being cast by registered voters. Why don't Repubs want to count them? Because they think it's to their advantage to throw them out.
No, by being an idiot.

If you can't find the assigned precinct polling place, which is in your own neighborhood, you're too stupid to vote.
Voting by mail would make that moot.
Voting by mail is an open invitation to fraud....Cheating favors your team.
Is that why Trump voted by mail?
He voted absentee, not "by mail"....Thare's a vast difference and you're playing stupid on purpose to pretend as though there isn't.
FYI- there is ZERO difference in Florida between absentee voting and vote by mail....none, zip, zilch. No difference at all.... there are no restrictions for any registered voter to request a ballot... Florida calls it vote by mail now and not absentee voting from one article that I read....

my state is the same and so is it for a few dozen states.... they've been changing their laws over the past couple of decades to not need an excuse for an absentee ballot.... if registered just request one.

And if you see mail in voting as meaning state gvts mailing ballots to all voters....

the battle ground states DID NOT DO SUCH MAILINGS, you had to request an absentee ballot and be an active registered voter, to get one.... Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan etc DID NOT mass mail ballots, the voter HAD TO request one, just like the former president Trump.
Thanks! Maine, requires a notary for a third party that is not immediate family, if they are dropping it off.

I've voted absentee for the past 14 years living here, but have never needed my ballot notarized because I have mailed it, or had my husband drop it off the day he votes in person.
 

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No, it is because mail voting is about as secure as a cardboard safe.
Is that why Republicans have used it so often over the past several decades?
One for his fiancee, two for people who had not lived there in at least 3 years, one for someone who had NEVER lived at that address, and one addressed to a neighbor
Sure. We believe you. Really
 

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How do you vote in the wrong precinct by mistake?
By making a mistake. The point is the votes are being cast by registered voters. Why don't Repubs want to count them? Because they think it's to their advantage to throw them out.
No, by being an idiot.

If you can't find the assigned precinct polling place, which is in your own neighborhood, you're too stupid to vote.
Voting by mail would make that moot.
Voting by mail is an open invitation to fraud....Cheating favors your team.
Is that why Trump voted by mail?
He voted absentee, not "by mail"....Thare's a vast difference and you're playing stupid on purpose to pretend as though there isn't.
He voted absentee, not "by mail"....Thare's a vast difference and you're playing stupid on purpose to pretend as though there isn't.
There is no practical difference whatsoever. Both ballots are processed in the same way.
 

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How do you vote in the wrong precinct by mistake?
By making a mistake. The point is the votes are being cast by registered voters. Why don't Repubs want to count them? Because they think it's to their advantage to throw them out.
No, by being an idiot.

If you can't find the assigned precinct polling place, which is in your own neighborhood, you're too stupid to vote.
Voting by mail would make that moot.
Voting by mail is an open invitation to fraud....Cheating favors your team.
Is that why Trump voted by mail?
TRUMP voted absentee, and he was clear the difference between absentee voting and mass unsolicited mail in ballots being sent out.
TRUMP voted absentee, and he was clear the difference between absentee voting and mass unsolicited mail in ballots being sent out
Which states sent out “mass unsolicited mail in ballots”?
 

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