Saudi prince: Maybe the Palestinians should’ve taken the deals they were offered

[Slyhunter]

Arab Palestinians do NOT have a country.
They have refused one since 1937.

Still at it

Link? Or are you just shoveling Israeli shit?

Well, I cannot find any link to this radio show to be able to hear it and make up my mind about it.

BUT.....

Let me give you a quick review as to who or what started that war:

Instigated when Hezbollah guerrillas conducted a perfidious cross-border raid in which they killed eight Israel Defense Forces soldiers and abducted two others

Background & Overview: Second Lebanon War

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Go ahead.....tell us that Israel did something to this non Palestinian people which got them so upset that they crossed into Israel, killed eight soldiers and abducted two others.

Be your guest.

Oh, that one. Israel was still holding Lebanese political prisoners from their occupation. Hezbollah needed someone to swap.

How nice of them.

Still, nothing to do with the Palestinians and their rejection of peace, which is what this thread is all about.

The Palestinians do not reject peace. They just reject Israel's version of peace.

They reject any version of peace that allows Israelites to live in their historic lands in peace.

 

[Shusha]

And then, as British forces withdrew from the area, Zionist militias started taking more area than was allocated in the Mandate.
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The entire territory was designated as the NATIONal Homeland for the Jewish people. So no, they didn't 'take any land that didn't belong to them'. Unless you are going to try to convince me that Israel crossed international boundaries with Jordan, Egypt and Syria in 1948 and took parts of their territories. Which would be ridiculous.

 

[USAF 2023]

The Arab Palestinians have been there for generations and do have rights. Never have I disputed that.

Their rights do not extend to unilaterally claiming an international border between themselves and another sovereign nation. International borders are created through treaties between the Parties concerned.

Nor do their rights extend to the destruction of another sovereign nation.

Israel has an ironclad legal claim to all of the territory formerly under the Mandate for Palestine (Jordan excepted). Israel chooses not exercise her rights over her entire claim as a specific acknowledgement of Arab Palestinian rights to a territory of heir own.

But Arab Palestinians don't seem capable of making a sovereign claim over their share because they are still too hung up on claiming the entire territory for themselves and ripping the hearts out of Jews.

The Mandate did not give Israel the land they seized in the '67 war. You cannot hold onto land seized in a war. We didn't let Germany keep Poland and we're not going to let you keep the land you took in that war.

How clearer can I make this?

Germany lost it's war, Israel didn't.

Germany initiated its War, Israel didn’t.

 

[Billo_Really]

You're forgetting that you put yourself in quite a predicament with your baseless and false claims. You're now forced to retreat to another baseless claim as a means to sidestep your earlier baseless claim.

The only way a claim is baseless, is if you don't provide a corroborating link. I provide links.

From the Hamas Charter;

Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).

As we see, the mere existence of Israel is the cause for gee-had.

The clock doesn't start after the existence of Israel, but what Zionists did to create it.

Continuing:

Article Twenty-Eight:
The Zionist invasion is a vicious invasion. It does not refrain from resorting to all methods, using all evil and contemptible ways to achieve its end. It relies greatly in its infiltration and espionage operations on the secret organizations it gave rise to, such as the Freemasons, The Rotary and Lions clubs, and other sabotage groups. All these organizations, whether secret or open, work in the interest of Zionism and according to its instructions. They aim at undermining societies, destroying values, corrupting consciences, deteriorating character and annihilating Islam. It is behind the drug trade and alcoholism in all its kinds so as to facilitate its control and expansion.

Arab countries surrounding Israel are asked to open their borders before the fighters from among the Arab and Islamic nations so that they could consolidate their efforts with those of their Moslem brethren in Palestine.

As for the other Arab and Islamic countries, they are asked to facilitate the movement of the fighters from and to it, and this is the least thing they could do.

True statement. That's why they don't like Israel.

There's lots more insensate Jew hatred in the Hamas Charter and with clear references to muhammedan ideology. How strange that your nonsense claim that "they just want freedom" appears nowhere in the Hamas Charter. No mention of "freedom" at all.

I don't see anywhere where they talk about Jews. Their issue is with Zionists.

As far as freedom, you don't live under martial law. You're a valley girl. Which, BTW, has its own problems.

No deals can be made without the ending of martial law.

 

[Hollie]

You're forgetting that you put yourself in quite a predicament with your baseless and false claims. You're now forced to retreat to another baseless claim as a means to sidestep your earlier baseless claim.

The only way a claim is baseless, is if you don't provide a corroborating link. I provide links.

From the Hamas Charter;

Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).

As we see, the mere existence of Israel is the cause for gee-had.

The clock doesn't start after the existence of Israel, but what Zionists did to create it.

Continuing:

Article Twenty-Eight:
The Zionist invasion is a vicious invasion. It does not refrain from resorting to all methods, using all evil and contemptible ways to achieve its end. It relies greatly in its infiltration and espionage operations on the secret organizations it gave rise to, such as the Freemasons, The Rotary and Lions clubs, and other sabotage groups. All these organizations, whether secret or open, work in the interest of Zionism and according to its instructions. They aim at undermining societies, destroying values, corrupting consciences, deteriorating character and annihilating Islam. It is behind the drug trade and alcoholism in all its kinds so as to facilitate its control and expansion.

Arab countries surrounding Israel are asked to open their borders before the fighters from among the Arab and Islamic nations so that they could consolidate their efforts with those of their Moslem brethren in Palestine.

As for the other Arab and Islamic countries, they are asked to facilitate the movement of the fighters from and to it, and this is the least thing they could do.

True statement. That's why they don't like Israel.

There's lots more insensate Jew hatred in the Hamas Charter and with clear references to muhammedan ideology. How strange that your nonsense claim that "they just want freedom" appears nowhere in the Hamas Charter. No mention of "freedom" at all.

I don't see anywhere where they talk about Jews. Their issue is with Zionists.

As far as freedom, you don't live under martial law. You're a valley girl. Which, BTW, has its own problems.

No deals can be made without the ending of martial law.

So, then. Provide a link to who is living under martial law.

 

[Billo_Really]

Tell us the whole story.

And also tell us why the word Palestinians seem to be absent from this charter and in its place we do find the following ones:

Islamic World
Islamic Resistance Movement
The Islamic Resistance Movement is one of the wings of Moslem Brotherhood in Palestine

Jihad

[ I just love this part of the charter ]

Moreover, if the links have been distant from each other and if obstacles, placed by those who are the lackeys of Zionism in the way of the fighters obstructed the continuation of the struggle, the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).


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What is this promise made to Allah?

[ Here is another favorite. There are so many in that Charter ]

The Slogan of the Islamic Resistance Movement:

Article Eight:
Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.

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[ Still no mention of Palestinians and their rights to the land of Palestine ]


[ Islamic Waqf - Still nothing about Palestinian Rights ]

The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day.


The Avalon Project : Hamas Covenant 1988



[ Is this about the rights of Palestinians, or the rights of Muslims in general ? ]

I do agree most of that language is stupid. But it is a 40 year old document that is no longer relevant. More recently, Hamas has a new charter...

HAMAS OFFICIAL: GROUP'S NEW CHARTER TO ADDRESS ANTISEMITIC LANGUAGE

A senior Hamas official on Wednesday said that the Palestinian terror organization is set to release a new charter that addresses the antisemitic language contained in the group's original mission statement.

Osama Hamdan told Al Jazeera that Hamas will be publishing its new charter "very soon," and that the language in the new document is careful not to castigate anyone based on "religion" or "race."

We will have a clear political document, which is supposed to be in the near future, clarifying all those points,” Hamdan told "UpFront" host Mehdi Hasan.

“You will find in this document clear words that we [are] against the Zionists, against the occupation of our lands and we will resist the occupiers, whoever they were," he added.
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So stop throwing a 40 year old document in peoples faces.

 

[Billo_Really]

Arabs are trying to remove Israelites from their God given lands.

Palestinians are the Israelites.

 

[Billo_Really]

Germany lost it's war, Israel didn't.

So you agree with Hitler, might makes right?

 

[Billo_Really]

The entire territory was designated as the NATIONal Homeland for the Jewish people. So no, they didn't 'take any land that didn't belong to them'. Unless you are going to try to convince me that Israel crossed international boundaries with Jordan, Egypt and Syria in 1948 and took parts of their territories. Which would be ridiculous.

As long as you didn't disenfranchise the indigenous, non-Jewish population. Which is exactly what you did. And no, you were not given the entire area.

 

[Billo_Really]

Germany initiated its War, Israel didn’t.

Israel started the war to.

 

[Billo_Really]

So, then. Provide a link to who is living under martial law.

Why does Israel rule the West Bank through martial law as opposed to civil law like in Israel proper and the Golan Heights?​

 

[Hollie]

So, then. Provide a link to who is living under martial law.

Why does Israel rule the West Bank through martial law as opposed to civil law like in Israel proper and the Golan Heights?​

Per the link:

To clarify, Israeli citizens (“settlers”) in the West-Bank live under BOTH Israeli civil law AND the military law.


So where is the document declaring martial law?

 

[Hollie]

Tell us the whole story.

And also tell us why the word Palestinians seem to be absent from this charter and in its place we do find the following ones:

Islamic World
Islamic Resistance Movement
The Islamic Resistance Movement is one of the wings of Moslem Brotherhood in Palestine

Jihad

[ I just love this part of the charter ]

Moreover, if the links have been distant from each other and if obstacles, placed by those who are the lackeys of Zionism in the way of the fighters obstructed the continuation of the struggle, the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).


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What is this promise made to Allah?

[ Here is another favorite. There are so many in that Charter ]

The Slogan of the Islamic Resistance Movement:

Article Eight:
Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.

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[ Still no mention of Palestinians and their rights to the land of Palestine ]


[ Islamic Waqf - Still nothing about Palestinian Rights ]

The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day.


The Avalon Project : Hamas Covenant 1988



[ Is this about the rights of Palestinians, or the rights of Muslims in general ? ]

I do agree most of that language is stupid. But it is a 40 year old document that is no longer relevant. More recently, Hamas has a new charter...

HAMAS OFFICIAL: GROUP'S NEW CHARTER TO ADDRESS ANTISEMITIC LANGUAGE

A senior Hamas official on Wednesday said that the Palestinian terror organization is set to release a new charter that addresses the antisemitic language contained in the group's original mission statement.

Osama Hamdan told Al Jazeera that Hamas will be publishing its new charter "very soon," and that the language in the new document is careful not to castigate anyone based on "religion" or "race."

We will have a clear political document, which is supposed to be in the near future, clarifying all those points,” Hamdan told "UpFront" host Mehdi Hasan.

“You will find in this document clear words that we [are] against the Zionists, against the occupation of our lands and we will resist the occupiers, whoever they were," he added.
​

So stop throwing a 40 year old document in peoples faces.

Why would anyone ignore a "living", active document that appeals to religious motives for committing genocide against an entire population?

Why would anyone ignore a document that calls for ones destruction when the stated goals of that ideological perspective are being pursued at this very moment?

 

[USAF 2023]

Tell us the whole story.

And also tell us why the word Palestinians seem to be absent from this charter and in its place we do find the following ones:

Islamic World
Islamic Resistance Movement
The Islamic Resistance Movement is one of the wings of Moslem Brotherhood in Palestine

Jihad

[ I just love this part of the charter ]

Moreover, if the links have been distant from each other and if obstacles, placed by those who are the lackeys of Zionism in the way of the fighters obstructed the continuation of the struggle, the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).


---------------

What is this promise made to Allah?

[ Here is another favorite. There are so many in that Charter ]

The Slogan of the Islamic Resistance Movement:

Article Eight:
Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.

-----------

[ Still no mention of Palestinians and their rights to the land of Palestine ]


[ Islamic Waqf - Still nothing about Palestinian Rights ]

The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day.


The Avalon Project : Hamas Covenant 1988



[ Is this about the rights of Palestinians, or the rights of Muslims in general ? ]

I do agree most of that language is stupid. But it is a 40 year old document that is no longer relevant. More recently, Hamas has a new charter...

HAMAS OFFICIAL: GROUP'S NEW CHARTER TO ADDRESS ANTISEMITIC LANGUAGE

A senior Hamas official on Wednesday said that the Palestinian terror organization is set to release a new charter that addresses the antisemitic language contained in the group's original mission statement.

Osama Hamdan told Al Jazeera that Hamas will be publishing its new charter "very soon," and that the language in the new document is careful not to castigate anyone based on "religion" or "race."

We will have a clear political document, which is supposed to be in the near future, clarifying all those points,” Hamdan told "UpFront" host Mehdi Hasan.

“You will find in this document clear words that we [are] against the Zionists, against the occupation of our lands and we will resist the occupiers, whoever they were," he added.
​

So stop throwing a 40 year old document in peoples faces.

Why would anyone ignore a "living", active document that appeals to religious motives for committing genocide against an entire population?

Why would anyone ignore a document that calls for ones destruction when the stated goals of that ideological perspective are being pursued at this very moment?

He”s not capable of understanding that you don’t use “ civil law” for those whose goal is your destruction

 

[RoccoR]

Saudi prince: Maybe the Palestinians should’ve taken the deals they were offered
※→ Billo_Really, et al,

If the Arab Palestinian is disenfranchised, it is a political self-inflected wound.

As long as you didn't disenfranchise the indigenous, non-Jewish population. Which is exactly what you did. And no, you were not given the entire area.

(COMMENT)

Territorial sovereignty wise, the territory was an "Article 16" matter for the Allied Powers (the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned); NOT a matter for the people once considered subjects under the purview of the Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (British military administration over Levantine and Mesopotamian provinces of the former Ottoman Empire established following the Sinai and Palestine Campaign of the Great War). The Military Administration was established to govern the territory → what would later be placed under a Civil Administration guided by a Mandate; approved by the Council of the League of Nations. "His Majesty the King in Council enacted, on August 10th, 1922, the Palestine Order in Council, which defined the powers of the High Commissioner, prescribed the formation of an Executive Council and of a Legislative Council, and regulated the constitution and powers of the Palestine Judiciary, with special provisions for religious and for tribal Courts." (See: Report on the Palestine Administration of 1922) Palestine, as established by the agreement of the Allied Powers, was not placed in the hands of the indigenous population. It was directed that "the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers." Hense the Government of Palestine was born, not from the toil and political need of the population, but through the inspiration of the Allied Powers. The 1919 Inter-Allied Commission (AKA: The King-Crane Commission) on Mandates in Turkey, reporting on the situation in Palestine they said:

“The Peace Conference should not shut its eyes to the fact that the anti-Zionist feeling in Palestine and Syria is intense and not lightly to be flouted. No British officer, consulted by the commissioners, believed that the Zionist programme could be carried out except by forces of arms.”

Early on in the Mandate era, the Arab Palestinians disenfranchise themselves by 1923, a third attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government; a rejected notion but a reoccurring theme the Arab Palestinians would play over and over again. Even today, the Arab Palestinians operate essentially under the Khartoum Resolutions (The Three NO's).

The Arab Palestinians are doing it to themselves. They could have had so much more, then they have now → but chose the path of violence instead.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Military Administration was established to govern the territory → what would later be placed under a Civil Administration guided by a Mandate; approved by the Council of the League of Nations.

Which was a lie. The Palestinians were not allowed to form their own government, or create and enforce their own laws. They remained under British military occupation until 1948.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The 1919 Inter-Allied Commission (AKA: The King-Crane Commission) on Mandates in Turkey, reporting on the situation in Palestine they said:

“The Peace Conference should not shut its eyes to the fact that the anti-Zionist feeling in Palestine and Syria is intense and not lightly to be flouted. No British officer, consulted by the commissioners, believed that the Zionist programme could be carried out except by forces of arms.”

Military force against the people flies in the face of "in the best interest of the people" specified in the LoN Covenant. It was a direct violation of the rights of the people.

 

[Sixties Fan]

The Military Administration was established to govern the territory → what would later be placed under a Civil Administration guided by a Mandate; approved by the Council of the League of Nations.

Which was a lie. The Palestinians were not allowed to form their own government, or create and enforce their own laws. They remained under British military occupation until 1948.

Which Palestinians?

Not the Jewish Palestinians for sure.

Know why?

Because they were not busy attacking Arabs from 1920 to 1948 to keep them for building infrastructure and a Nation of their own.

They were offered it twice and twice declined it because the Arab "Palestinians' s not only did not consider themselves Palestinians at all, but wanted what was left of the Mandate (minus TransJordan) to themselves.

Not for "Palestinians" but for the Muslim Nation.

It is always been about Islam.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Military Administration was established to govern the territory → what would later be placed under a Civil Administration guided by a Mandate; approved by the Council of the League of Nations.

Which was a lie. The Palestinians were not allowed to form their own government, or create and enforce their own laws. They remained under British military occupation until 1948.

Which Palestinians?

Not the Jewish Palestinians for sure.

Know why?

Because they were not busy attacking Arabs from 1920 to 1948 to keep them for building infrastructure and a Nation of their own.

They were offered it twice and twice declined it because the Arab "Palestinians' s not only did not consider themselves Palestinians at all, but wanted what was left of the Mandate (minus TransJordan) to themselves.

Not for "Palestinians" but for the Muslim Nation.

It is always been about Islam.

Do you shovel Israeli shit for a living?

BTW, the Jewish Palestinians were opposed to a Jewish state. They viewed it as generations of bloodshed. They were right. But intelligent was shoved aside and stupid carried the day.

 

[Sixties Fan]

The Military Administration was established to govern the territory → what would later be placed under a Civil Administration guided by a Mandate; approved by the Council of the League of Nations.

Which was a lie. The Palestinians were not allowed to form their own government, or create and enforce their own laws. They remained under British military occupation until 1948.

Which Palestinians?

Not the Jewish Palestinians for sure.

Know why?

Because they were not busy attacking Arabs from 1920 to 1948 to keep them for building infrastructure and a Nation of their own.

They were offered it twice and twice declined it because the Arab "Palestinians' s not only did not consider themselves Palestinians at all, but wanted what was left of the Mandate (minus TransJordan) to themselves.

Not for "Palestinians" but for the Muslim Nation.

It is always been about Islam.

Do you shovel Israeli shit for a living?

BTW, the Jewish Palestinians were opposed to a Jewish state. They viewed it as generations of bloodshed. They were right. But intelligent was shoved aside and stupid carried the day.

You need to read your first sentence several times and understand whose shit is going around.

The Jewish Palestinians would have chosen another 1700 years of Arab Muslims on Jews bloodshed without any Jews being allowed to defend themselves as it had been for the past 1700 ones?

Really?

Quite suicidal, wouldn't you say?

Especially after Al Husseini showed the world how tolerant Arab Muslims have always been to Jews, with the Arab riots of 1920 and 1929.

Your manure has been exposed. Shovel it.