Saudi prince: Maybe the Palestinians should’ve taken the deals they were offered

[P F Tinmore]

Saudi prince: Maybe the Palestinians should’ve taken the deals they were offered
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh yes, here we go again. They are the poor downtrodden Arab Palestinians. Being accused of terrorism when it was just when it was an Islamic prayer meeting.

Oh jeese, more of Israrl's terrorist propaganda campaign.

(REFERENCE)

✪⇒ The international community has elaborated 19 international legal instruments to prevent terrorist acts.

1. Convention for the Suppression of Unlawful Seizure of Aircraft, done at The Hague on16 December 1970.

2. Convention for the Suppression of Unlawful Acts against the Safety of Civil Aviation,
done at Montreal on 23 September 1971.

3. Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Crimes against Internationally Protected Persons, including Diplomatic Agents, adopted by the General Assembly of the United Nations on 14 December 1973.

4. International Convention against the Taking of Hostages, adopted by the General Assembly of the United Nations on 17 December 1979.

5. Convention on the Physical Protection of Nuclear Material, adopted at Vienna on 3 March 1980.

6. Protocol for the Suppression of Unlawful Acts of Violence at Airports Serving International Civil Aviation, supplementary to the Convention for the Suppression of Unlawful Acts against the Safety of Civil Aviation, done at Montreal on 24 February 1988.

7 .Convention for the Suppression of Unlawful Acts against the Safety of Maritime Navigation, done at Rome on 10 March 1988.

8. Protocol for the Suppression of Unlawful Acts against the Safety of Fixed Platforms located on the Continental Shelf, done at Rome on 10 March 1988.​

9. International Convention for the Suppression of Terrorist Bombings, adopted by the General Assembly of the United Nations on 15 December 1997.​

(COMMENT)

I want to get this straight in my mind. What you are saying is that Arab Palestinians DO NOT HAVE a past history of the criminal behaviors listed here:

✪⇒ That the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) never engaged in unlawful activities such as illicit arms trafficking, drug dealing and racketeering, including the exploitation of persons for purposes of funding terrorist activities,

✪⇒ An act which constitutes an offense within the scope of and as defined in one of the treaties or conventions listed, but not limited to, in the references above.

✪⇒ Including the HoAP that commits an offence within the meaning of this International Convention for the Suppression of Terrorist Bombings if that person unlawfully and intentionally delivers, places, discharges or detonates an explosive or other lethal device in, into or against a place of public use, a State or government facility, a public transportation system or an infrastructure facility.

✪⇒ That the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP), individually or as part of an organization, never engaged to seize or detain and threaten to kill, to injure, or to continue to detain another person in order to compel a third party, namely, a State, an international intergovernmental organization, a natural or juridical person, or a group of persons, to do or abstain from doing any act as an explicit or implicit condition for the release of the hostage commits the offence of taking of hostage within the meaning of this Convention."

✪⇒ That the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) never engaged in the intentional murder, kidnapping or another attack upon the person or liberty of an internationally protected person, a violent attack upon the official premises, the private accommodations, or the means of transport of such person; a threat or attempt to commit such an attack; and an act "constituting participation as an accomplice".​

If you're having trouble finding examples, I can readily supply them to you. There is no campaign by the Israeli's to falsely label Arab Palestinian activities as acts of either terrismor violations of Customary and IHL.

Most Respectfully,
R

Like a good propagandist, you don't mention any of Israel's crimes.

 

[P F Tinmore]

1. Convention for the Suppression of Unlawful Seizure of Aircraft, done at The Hague on16 December 1970.

OK, so the Palestinians hijacked some airplanes like 50 years ago.

What else you got?

 

[toomuchtime_]

1. Convention for the Suppression of Unlawful Seizure of Aircraft, done at The Hague on16 December 1970.

OK, so the Palestinians hijacked some airplanes like 50 years ago.

What else you got?

He should have put it in terms you would be able to understand, the Palestinians are governed by gangsters, the PLO and Hamas, and the people seem to like it that way. By any reasonable measure, organized crime families have taken over both Gaza and the Palestinian areas in Judea and Samaria.

 

[Hollie]

1. Convention for the Suppression of Unlawful Seizure of Aircraft, done at The Hague on16 December 1970.

OK, so the Palestinians hijacked some airplanes like 50 years ago.

What else you got?

So why all the whining about Israel winning some land in a war started by Arabs-Moslems like 70 years ago?

 

[P F Tinmore]

1. Convention for the Suppression of Unlawful Seizure of Aircraft, done at The Hague on16 December 1970.

OK, so the Palestinians hijacked some airplanes like 50 years ago.

What else you got?

So why all the whining about Israel winning some land in a war started by Arabs-Moslems like 70 years ago?

What war did the Palestinians start?

 

[Hollie]

1. Convention for the Suppression of Unlawful Seizure of Aircraft, done at The Hague on16 December 1970.

OK, so the Palestinians hijacked some airplanes like 50 years ago.

What else you got?

So why all the whining about Israel winning some land in a war started by Arabs-Moslems like 70 years ago?

What war did the Palestinians start?

Do you want a list of acts of war?

 

[P F Tinmore]

1. Convention for the Suppression of Unlawful Seizure of Aircraft, done at The Hague on16 December 1970.

OK, so the Palestinians hijacked some airplanes like 50 years ago.

What else you got?

So why all the whining about Israel winning some land in a war started by Arabs-Moslems like 70 years ago?

What war did the Palestinians start?

Do you want a list of acts of war?

Sure. List Israel's too.

 

[Billo_Really]

Germany initiated the War, you Asshole. That is the difference. How clearer can I make this?

So did Israel, asshole. The war started when Israel rolled tanks into Egypt.

 

[Billo_Really]

Um. Actually it did. The entire territory was mandated to be the NATIONal homeland for the Jewish people. Period. Full stop. There is no possible alternate interpretation of the relevant documentation and treaties.

The conflict arising between 1948 and 1967 was a direct result of Jordan and Egypt invading territory which did not belong to them and crossing international boundaries between their territory and territory belonging to the State of Israel. Its the very no-no we are discussing. Neither Jordan nor Egypt can win territory in war and they both, rightly, rescinded all claim to the territory when they signed peace treaties with Israel which demarcated the boundaries between their territory and Israel's.

The 1967 conflict between Arab States and Israel is absolutely irrelevant to the current conflict between Israel and an arising Arab Palestinian population wishing self-determination and secession from Israel/Palestine.

Wrong! The Mandate was based on the Balfour Declaration. And that "declaration" had a caveat...

...it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine...
​

Zionists violated after they said they wouldn't. And then, as British forces withdrew from the area, Zionist militias started taking more area than was allocated in the Mandate.

There is nothing to deal. Get off land that isn't yours!

 

[Billo_Really]

Hamas must be furious. They spelled out in their Charter, in explicit detail, what their goals are. Yet, there are some people who still want to ignore what they wrote.

That's all you got.

 

[USAF 2023]

1. Convention for the Suppression of Unlawful Seizure of Aircraft, done at The Hague on16 December 1970.

OK, so the Palestinians hijacked some airplanes like 50 years ago.

What else you got?

So why all the whining about Israel winning some land in a war started by Arabs-Moslems like 70 years ago?

What war did the Palestinians start?

Arab Palestinians do NOT have a country.
They have refused one since 1937.

Still at it

Link? Or are you just shoveling Israeli shit?

Well, I cannot find any link to this radio show to be able to hear it and make up my mind about it.

BUT.....

Let me give you a quick review as to who or what started that war:

Instigated when Hezbollah guerrillas conducted a perfidious cross-border raid in which they killed eight Israel Defense Forces soldiers and abducted two others

Background & Overview: Second Lebanon War

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Go ahead.....tell us that Israel did something to this non Palestinian people which got them so upset that they crossed into Israel, killed eight soldiers and abducted two others.

Be your guest.

Oh, that one. Israel was still holding Lebanese political prisoners from their occupation. Hezbollah needed someone to swap.

How nice of them.

Still, nothing to do with the Palestinians and their rejection of peace, which is what this thread is all about.

The Palestinians do not reject peace. They just reject Israel's version of peace.

You have it backwards ( as usual) The Israelis do not reject peace. They just reject the Palestinians version of “ peace” which would include giving up their Holy Sites.

 

[Hollie]

Hamas must be furious. They spelled out in their Charter, in explicit detail, what their goals are. Yet, there are some people who still want to ignore what they wrote.

That's all you got.

Not at all. I couldn't help but notice you shuffled off when your silly "they want just want freedom" comment was refuted by the text of the Hamas Charter.

In fact, the term "freedom" does not appear in the Hamas Charter.

 

[Markle]

Which Lebanon war? Israel has been at war with all of its neighbors multiple times. I think there is a common denominator here.

Yeah, funny about that, how a country can get downright testy when their neighbors are sworn to complete what has started thousands of years ago and culminating with your idol, Adolph Hitler.

Have you often wondered why your parents taught you to be an anti-Semite? Obviously, you are a bigot, are you a racist and sexist too?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Which Lebanon war? Israel has been at war with all of its neighbors multiple times. I think there is a common denominator here.

Yeah, funny about that, how a country can get downright testy when their neighbors are sworn to complete what has started thousands of years ago and culminating with your idol, Adolph Hitler.

Why did your parents teach you to be an anti-Semite? Obviously, you are a bigot, are you a racist and sexist too?

Is third grade name calling all you got?

 

[Billo_Really]

Not at all. I couldn't help but notice you shuffled off when your silly "they want just want freedom" comment was refuted by the text of the Hamas Charter.

In fact, the term "freedom" does not appear in the Hamas Charter.

You're forgetting the reason Hamas wrote the Charter that way, was in response to Israeli aggression.

 

[Markle]

Which Lebanon war? Israel has been at war with all of its neighbors multiple times. I think there is a common denominator here.

Yeah, funny about that, how a country can get downright testy when their neighbors are sworn to complete what has started thousands of years ago and culminating with your idol, Adolph Hitler.

Why did your parents teach you to be an anti-Semite? Obviously, you are a bigot, are you a racist and sexist too?

Is third grade name calling all you got?

How am I calling any names? I posted a fact and asked you a question. Why are you afraid to answer?

 

[Hollie]

Not at all. I couldn't help but notice you shuffled off when your silly "they want just want freedom" comment was refuted by the text of the Hamas Charter.

In fact, the term "freedom" does not appear in the Hamas Charter.

You're forgetting the reason Hamas wrote the Charter that way, was in response to Israeli aggression.

You're forgetting that you put yourself in quite a predicament with your baseless and false claims. You're now forced to retreat to another baseless claim as a means to sidestep your earlier baseless claim.


From the Hamas Charter;

Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).

As we see, the mere existence of Israel is the cause for gee-had.

Continuing:

Article Twenty-Eight:
The Zionist invasion is a vicious invasion. It does not refrain from resorting to all methods, using all evil and contemptible ways to achieve its end. It relies greatly in its infiltration and espionage operations on the secret organizations it gave rise to, such as the Freemasons, The Rotary and Lions clubs, and other sabotage groups. All these organizations, whether secret or open, work in the interest of Zionism and according to its instructions. They aim at undermining societies, destroying values, corrupting consciences, deteriorating character and annihilating Islam. It is behind the drug trade and alcoholism in all its kinds so as to facilitate its control and expansion.

Arab countries surrounding Israel are asked to open their borders before the fighters from among the Arab and Islamic nations so that they could consolidate their efforts with those of their Moslem brethren in Palestine.

As for the other Arab and Islamic countries, they are asked to facilitate the movement of the fighters from and to it, and this is the least thing they could do.




There's lots more insensate Jew hatred in the Hamas Charter and with clear references to muhammedan ideology. How strange that your nonsense claim that "they just want freedom" appears nowhere in the Hamas Charter. No mention of "freedom" at all.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Not at all. I couldn't help but notice you shuffled off when your silly "they want just want freedom" comment was refuted by the text of the Hamas Charter.

In fact, the term "freedom" does not appear in the Hamas Charter.

You're forgetting the reason Hamas wrote the Charter that way, was in response to Israeli aggression.

Tell us the whole story.

And also tell us why the word Palestinians seem to be absent from this charter and in its place we do find the following ones:

Islamic World
Islamic Resistance Movement
The Islamic Resistance Movement is one of the wings of Moslem Brotherhood in Palestine

Jihad

[ I just love this part of the charter ]

Moreover, if the links have been distant from each other and if obstacles, placed by those who are the lackeys of Zionism in the way of the fighters obstructed the continuation of the struggle, the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).


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What is this promise made to Allah?

[ Here is another favorite. There are so many in that Charter ]

The Slogan of the Islamic Resistance Movement:

Article Eight:
Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.

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[ Still no mention of Palestinians and their rights to the land of Palestine ]


[ Islamic Waqf - Still nothing about Palestinian Rights ]

The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day.


The Avalon Project : Hamas Covenant 1988



[ Is this about the rights of Palestinians, or the rights of Muslims in general ? ]

 

[Slyhunter]

Read the post again.
If bold denial is Your main retreat then You're already on the defense.
Because we both know Your retreat is ridiculous.

This is Beit Ummar...




Q. So how many Arab countries do You think want to be publicly associated with and fight for that flag as a symbol of 'Arab Muslim honor'?

I think it will be the Arab neighbors themselves who'll make the biggest impact on the situation. In the long run - that's more of an obstacle for them than for Israel.

Arab neighbors are not occupying land that is not theirs. Israel is. The occupation needs to end. That is the only "deal" on the table.

Arabs are trying to remove Israelites from their God given lands.

 

[Slyhunter]

The Arab Palestinians have been there for generations and do have rights. Never have I disputed that.

Their rights do not extend to unilaterally claiming an international border between themselves and another sovereign nation. International borders are created through treaties between the Parties concerned.

Nor do their rights extend to the destruction of another sovereign nation.

Israel has an ironclad legal claim to all of the territory formerly under the Mandate for Palestine (Jordan excepted). Israel chooses not exercise her rights over her entire claim as a specific acknowledgement of Arab Palestinian rights to a territory of heir own.

But Arab Palestinians don't seem capable of making a sovereign claim over their share because they are still too hung up on claiming the entire territory for themselves and ripping the hearts out of Jews.

The Mandate did not give Israel the land they seized in the '67 war. You cannot hold onto land seized in a war. We didn't let Germany keep Poland and we're not going to let you keep the land you took in that war.

How clearer can I make this?

Germany lost it's war, Israel didn't.