Saudi prince: Maybe the Palestinians should’ve taken the deals they were offered

[Sixties Fan]

Per the link:

To clarify, Israeli citizens (“settlers”) in the West-Bank live under BOTH Israeli civil law AND the military law.


So where is the document declaring martial law?

The Israeli insurgents (settlers), are not subject to martial law, only the Palestinians are.

I have not seen a formal declaration of martial law. But that is the reality Palestinians are living under.

You have not seen a "formal" declaration of martial law because.....


Drum roll........


THERE ISN'T ONE.

There is no Martial Law from Israel on the Arab Palestinians.

Not Now.

Not Ever.

Now, if you would like to discuss what the Arab Palestinians are dealing with under Hamas' power.......

 

[Sixties Fan]

Saudi prince: Maybe the Palestinians should’ve taken the deals they were offered
※→ Billo_Really, et al,

If the Arab Palestinian is disenfranchised, it is a political self-inflected wound.

As long as you didn't disenfranchise the indigenous, non-Jewish population. Which is exactly what you did. And no, you were not given the entire area.

(COMMENT)

Territorial sovereignty wise, the territory was an "Article 16" matter for the Allied Powers (the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned); NOT a matter for the people once considered subjects under the purview of the Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (British military administration over Levantine and Mesopotamian provinces of the former Ottoman Empire established following the Sinai and Palestine Campaign of the Great War). The Military Administration was established to govern the territory → what would later be placed under a Civil Administration guided by a Mandate; approved by the Council of the League of Nations. "His Majesty the King in Council enacted, on August 10th, 1922, the Palestine Order in Council, which defined the powers of the High Commissioner, prescribed the formation of an Executive Council and of a Legislative Council, and regulated the constitution and powers of the Palestine Judiciary, with special provisions for religious and for tribal Courts." (See: Report on the Palestine Administration of 1922) Palestine, as established by the agreement of the Allied Powers, was not placed in the hands of the indigenous population. It was directed that "the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers." Hense the Government of Palestine was born, not from the toil and political need of the population, but through the inspiration of the Allied Powers. The 1919 Inter-Allied Commission (AKA: The King-Crane Commission) on Mandates in Turkey, reporting on the situation in Palestine they said:

“The Peace Conference should not shut its eyes to the fact that the anti-Zionist feeling in Palestine and Syria is intense and not lightly to be flouted. No British officer, consulted by the commissioners, believed that the Zionist programme could be carried out except by forces of arms.”

Early on in the Mandate era, the Arab Palestinians disenfranchise themselves by 1923, a third attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government; a rejected notion but a reoccurring theme the Arab Palestinians would play over and over again. Even today, the Arab Palestinians operate essentially under the Khartoum Resolutions (The Three NO's).

The Arab Palestinians are doing it to themselves. They could have had so much more, then they have now → but chose the path of violence instead.

Most Respectfully,
R

WTF are you talking about? The indigenous Palestinian-Arabs in that area, are a concerned party and they have rights. They were also the majority land owners, up until that time.

Dude, do you have to make every response a data dump?

Let us put it in a very simple form.

Arabs are Indigenous of Arabia. And ONLY of Arabia.

 

[Billo_Really]

Hum. Have you not read the Mandate for Palestine?

The entire territory was set aside for the NATIONal homeland for the Jewish people.

There was no division made. And there was no other peoples mentioned.

Now, you could very well argue that this was an egregious oversight and needs to be corrected. I wouldn't argue with you. The WAY to correct the oversight is to negotiate for peace and sovereignty for both peoples in a way that is fair and reasonable and NOT in a way which insists on narratives and propaganda.

You ******* shoot Palestinian children in the head for throwing a rock! Don't even talk to me about what's fair and reasonable.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Why would anyone ignore a "living", active document that appeals to religious motives for committing genocide against an entire population?

Why would anyone ignore a document that calls for ones destruction when the stated goals of that ideological perspective are being pursued at this very moment?

It's not a living document, its been replaced. Why would anyone keep pointing to something now irrelevant, when they have been shown the evidence there position is no longer current.

And why do you keep saying they want to destroy Israel, while Israel is actively destroying them?

The Mandate was not replaced. It was fulfilled on May 14, 1948 with the creation of Israel, which is what the Mandate had been about from the very beginning since 1920.

The only difference is that the Jews ended up losing 80% of their indigenous land by the British giving 78% to the Hashemite Clan from Arabia in 1925, which became TranJordan in 1946.

As long as you refuse to read the PLO and Hamas Charters, then you will never have to admit that the sum intent of all of these Muslim groups is to destroy Israel.

What do you think seven Arab countries were doing together in 1948 as they invaded the day after Israel declared Independence?

Rejoicing that now there finally was, again, a sovereign state for the Jews ?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Hum. Have you not read the Mandate for Palestine?

The entire territory was set aside for the NATIONal homeland for the Jewish people.

There was no division made. And there was no other peoples mentioned.

Now, you could very well argue that this was an egregious oversight and needs to be corrected. I wouldn't argue with you. The WAY to correct the oversight is to negotiate for peace and sovereignty for both peoples in a way that is fair and reasonable and NOT in a way which insists on narratives and propaganda.

You ******* shoot Palestinian children in the head for throwing a rock! Don't even talk to me about what's fair and reasonable.

You are watching way too many Pallywood productions.

You just love being fooled.

That is on you, not Israel.

 

[Billo_Really]

You have not seen a "formal" declaration of martial law because.....


Drum roll........


THERE ISN'T ONE.

There is no Martial Law from Israel on the Arab Palestinians.

Not Now.

Not Ever.

Now, if you would like to discuss what the Arab Palestinians are deal with under Hamas' power.......

WTF do you think a military occupation is?

 

[Billo_Really]

Let us put it in a very simple form.

Arabs are Indigenous of Arabia. And ONLY of Arabia.

Wrong! They've been living there for 2000 years.

 

[Sixties Fan]

You have not seen a "formal" declaration of martial law because.....


Drum roll........


THERE ISN'T ONE.

There is no Martial Law from Israel on the Arab Palestinians.

Not Now.

Not Ever.

Now, if you would like to discuss what the Arab Palestinians are deal with under Hamas' power.......

WTF do you think a military occupation is?

THERE is NO..... Military Occupation....

Except in your mind.

 

[Billo_Really]

The Mandate was not replaced. It was fulfilled on May 14, 1948 with the creation of Israel, which is what the Mandate had been about from the very beginning since 1920.

The only difference is that the Jews ended up losing 80% of their indigenous land by the British giving 78% to the Hashemite Clan from Arabia in 1925, which became TranJordan in 1946.

As long as you refuse to read the PLO and Hamas Charters, then you will never have to admit that the sum intent of all of these Muslim groups is to destroy Israel.

What do you think seven Arab countries were doing together in 1948 as they invaded the day after Israel declared Independence?

Rejoicing that now there finally was, again, a sovereign state for the Jews ?

We were talking about the Hamas Charter being replaced, not the Mandate. My God, are you vapid!

 

[Billo_Really]

You are watching way too many Pallywood productions.

You just love being fooled.

That is on you, not Israel.

Why is it a Pallywood production? And why should anyone believe you? There isn't a single post of yours that shows any empathy for what these people are going through. So you are not the greatest source in the world for saying something is fake. You just say it is, because you don't have the balls to face reality.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Let us put it in a very simple form.

Arabs are Indigenous of Arabia. And ONLY of Arabia.

Wrong! They've been living there for 2000 years.

Wrong. The Arabs invaded the Land of Israel in the 7th Century.

That makes it now 1400 years.

Living in a place, being born there, does not make one the Indigenous people OVER the actual indigenous people who had been there for 3800 years.....namely the Jewish people, which are acknowledged as being there when, first the Kurdish Muslims invaded, and then the Aran Muslims invaded a bit later.

And it was the Arab Muslims who did, what the Christian Romans or Byzantine would not do.

They allowed the Jews to return to Jerusalem because they knew of the connection and importance of Jerusalem (closed to the Jews since 70 CE by the Romans) to the Jewish People.

Jews are from Judea

Arabs are from Arabia

It has not changed even after 1400 years.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Saudi prince: Maybe the Palestinians should’ve taken the deals they were offered
※→ Billo_Really, et al,

The territories are NOT per say, under Martial Law. The UN Security Council imposes S/RES/446 (1979) Use of the Geneva Convention 22 March 1979, which in turn imposes Artice 43 of the Hague Regulation.

Article 43. The authority of the legitimate power having in fact passed into the hands of the occupant, the latter shall take all the measures in his power to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country.
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Per the link:

To clarify, Israeli citizens (“settlers”) in the West-Bank live under BOTH Israeli civil law AND the military law.

So where is the document declaring martial law?

The Israeli insurgents (settlers) are not subject to martial law, only the Palestinians are.

I have not seen a formal declaration of martial law. But that is the reality Palestinians are living under.

(COMMENT)

The Israelis of the Settlements will always be under Israeli Law (as directed by the civil administration), until the final negotiated agreement is established.

You will not see a formal declaration of Martial Law, and the Arab Palestinians are not under anything like Martial Law.

Most of the time, when the media reports a clash with the IDF, they are actually misidentifying or confusing the Israeli Border Police with the IDF.

That little rabble-rouser Ahed Tamimi is a puppet Palestinian activist being used to induce confrontations between Hostile Arab Palestinians and the Police of the Civil Administration for the media value.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Billo_Really]

THERE is NO..... Military Occupation....

Except in your mind.

**** you, *****! Every country on the planet says there is. Over 200 UN resolutions say there is. You are full of shit!

 

[Sixties Fan]

The Mandate was not replaced. It was fulfilled on May 14, 1948 with the creation of Israel, which is what the Mandate had been about from the very beginning since 1920.

The only difference is that the Jews ended up losing 80% of their indigenous land by the British giving 78% to the Hashemite Clan from Arabia in 1925, which became TranJordan in 1946.

As long as you refuse to read the PLO and Hamas Charters, then you will never have to admit that the sum intent of all of these Muslim groups is to destroy Israel.

What do you think seven Arab countries were doing together in 1948 as they invaded the day after Israel declared Independence?

Rejoicing that now there finally was, again, a sovereign state for the Jews ?

We were talking about the Hamas Charter being replaced, not the Mandate. My God, are you vapid!

When was the Hamas Charter replaced?

Replaced for what ?

Do show us where it says they do not intend to destroy Israel anymore and take over that whole land.

 

[Sixties Fan]

You are watching way too many Pallywood productions.

You just love being fooled.

That is on you, not Israel.

Why is it a Pallywood production? And why should anyone believe you? There isn't a single post of yours that shows any empathy for what these people are going through. So you are not the greatest source in the world for saying something is fake. You just say it is, because you don't have the balls to face reality.

I have absolutely no empathy for Hamas and its intention of killing every Jew, and possibly non Jew in Israel.

I and Israel have more than empathy for those who are under Hamas and the PA.

Israel gives healthcare, jobs and education to many Palestinians.

What Military Occupation when so many Palestinians are allowed on a daily basis to enter Israel in order to work, go to school or receive health care?

What country would ever do that for the people when the leaders are very much intent in destroying that very country?

 

[Sixties Fan]

THERE is NO..... Military Occupation....

Except in your mind.

**** you, *****! Every country on the planet says there is. Over 200 UN resolutions say there is. You are full of shit!

How you love to exaggerate.

You are full of hateful ignorance towards the Jewish People.

I would suggest stop feeding your very hungry Catholic Irish self.

That is what Catholicism has been feeding all Christians since Christianity was founded.

Hate those Jews. And you do it to perfection.

 

[Billo_Really]

THERE is NO..... Military Occupation....

Except in your mind.

If there is no military occupation, why can't Gazans leave? If there is no military occupation, then what are the over 300 roadblocks and checkpoints restricting Palestinian movement?

You're not making the world a better place by lying about the facts.

 

[Billo_Really]

Wrong. The Arabs invaded the Land of Israel in the 7th Century.

That makes it now 1400 years.

Living in a place, being born there, does not make one the Indigenous people OVER the actual indigenous people who had been there for 3800 years.....namely the Jewish people, which are acknowledged as being there when, first the Kurdish Muslims invaded, and then the Aran Muslims invaded a bit later.

And it was the Arab Muslims who did, what the Christian Romans or Byzantine would not do.

They allowed the Jews to return to Jerusalem because they knew of the connection and importance of Jerusalem (closed to the Jews since 70 CE by the Romans) to the Jewish People.

Jews are from Judea

Arabs are from Arabia

It has not changed even after 1400 years.

If you've been living there for 3800 years, there's no reason to return. You're already there!

Stripping Palestinians (who have been living there for generations), of their land rights, is pure evil.

 

[Sixties Fan]

THERE is NO..... Military Occupation....

Except in your mind.

If there is no military occupation, why can't Gazans leave? If there is no military occupation, then what are the over 300 roadblocks and checkpoints restricting Palestinian movement?

You're not making the world a better place by lying about the facts.

There is not ONE Israeli in Gaza, military or civilian to turn your fabled "Military Occupation" into reality.

By all means, do not ever question why Egypt also has its borders with Gaza closed, only allowing them into Egypt a few times per year, unlike Israel which allows people with health issues to come into Israel.

Why in the world would both Israel AND Egypt close their borders to the people of Gaza.



Israel and Egypt keep Gaza Strip borders shut

 

[Billo_Really]

The Israelis of the Settlements will always be under Israeli Law (as directed by the civil administration), until the final negotiated agreement is established.

There's not going to be any negotiation, the settlements are illegal.

You will not see a formal declaration of Martial Law, and the Arab Palestinians are not under anything like Martial Law.

Then what are the over 300 checkpoints and roadblocks in the West Bank for?

Most of the time, when the media reports a clash with the IDF, they are actually misidentifying or confusing the Israeli Border Police with the IDF.

I don't care if it is Mother Theresa, IDF snipers are shooting unarmed Palestinian's and journalists with big media badges on their chest.

That little rabble-rouser Ahed Tamimi is a puppet Palestinian activist being used to induce confrontations between Hostile Arab Palestinians and the Police of the Civil Administration for the media value.

That's a 15 year old girl (who's brother you murdered in cold blood), that you have imprisoned for slapping member of the IDF (who was wearing body armour). You go to hell!

Most Respectfully,
R

When it is not passed into the hands of the occupant, it is still an occupation.