Russia will never be awarded Ukraine territory gained by Russia's invasion

[Concerned American]

Ukraine has been for months attacking targets in Russia and Putin has not hit them with any nuclear weapons.

LOL, has Ukraine reclaimed any of the land that Russia controls? A fly can bite a horse's butt and the horse just flicks it away with its tail. You give Zelensky too much credit. But I commend your desire to keep your opinion.

 

[AntonToo]

Russia wants what was damaged by Russia to be added to Russia. Trump will allow it, but the
World who has helped Ukraine will not allow it. Stop watching Trump and pay attention to the European nations who help Ukraine go against Russian aggression. Trump made a mistake by raising hell with Ukraine.

Well at least you get it now.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Russia wants what was damaged by Russia to be added to Russia. Trump will allow it, but the
World who has helped Ukraine will not allow it. Stop watching Trump and pay attention to the European nations who help Ukraine go against Russian aggression. Trump made a mistake by raising hell with Ukraine.

You're european you're not an oregonian..

And that's what you think, rational one, the c I a and the state department lost
What are you standing up for again?Tell us

 

[AntonToo]

Um, sorry, man, your boy Sold Ukraine out. Deal with it.

Actually, I'm fine with the 28 point plan. Most of it is pretty reasonable.

The only change I would make is that Russia should give back Kherson and Zaphorizia (sp).

Every other point- granting Donbas and Crimea to Russia, lifting sanctions, etc. are pretty reasonable.

Aside from America violating 78 separate agreements by taking on enforcement of this bs, aside from there not being any indication Putin would even agree to it:

Ukraine giving up freely cities it defended for 12 years and recognizing all occupied territories as rightfully Russian? Thats "reasonable"?

Ukraine cutting it's Army by almost half is "reasonable"?

Ukraine giving up having any air force there and Poland giving up it's F16s is "reasonable"?

Ukraine getting no actual security guarantees is "reasonable"?

Putin effectively dictating to NATO that it can't accept any new members is "reasonable"?


You either don't really understand what you've read or lost your damn mind.

 

[AntonToo]

Here's the underlying problem.

When the USSR broke up, Russians found themselves living in Ukraine.

WTF?

There was no issue with ethnic Russians living in Ukraine. For the most part nobody gave a crap if they were ethnic Ukrainians or Russians before 2014.

20% of Ukrainian Army today are ethnic Russians.

Conflict began with armed Russian Federation citizens taking over Ukranian cities, recruiting locals into seperatism, and putting up RF flags.

What you are posting here are echoes Kremlin propaganda where lawless, bloody invasion is rationalized as some sort of Russian people saving operation. Hitler also used propaganda like that to line people up to go invade countries where Germans are supposedly being mistreated.

 

[JWBooth]

The European militaries are a joke. Paper tigers at best.

 

[Correll]

Aside from America violating 78 separate agreements by taking on enforcement of this bs, aside from there not being any indication Putin would even agree to it:

Ukraine giving up freely cities it defended for 12 years and recognizing all occupied territories as rightfully Russian? Thats "reasonable"?

Ukraine cutting it's Army by almost half is "reasonable"?

Ukraine giving up having any air force there and Poland giving up it's F16s is "reasonable"?

Ukraine getting no actual security guarantees is "reasonable"?

Putin effectively dictating to NATO that it can't accept any new members is "reasonable"?


You either don't really understand what you've read or lost your damn mind.

"Cutting" a military down from it's war time footing, is "reasonable".

It LOOKS like a win for the Russians, but it is... a trick. That you fell for.

 

[22lcidw]

Well at least you get it now.

So, you love those hated Caucasians now. The ones who are the spawn of the devil.

 

[eagle1462010]

Riddle me this. What us stopping Europe from driving Russia out of Ukraine militarily?

 

[JoeB131]

Well, you pick sides of course. Putin is your man.

I don't have a side. I just don't see a scenario where Ukraine comes out better than they do with this deal.

 

[JoeB131]

The same Eurotrash clowns that couldn't handle Kosovo on their own are going to handle Russia? Good luck with that. Your delusions are hilarious.

Not only that, but they needed us to bail them out when they picked a fight in Libya as well.

 

[JoeB131]

From Zelenskyy's former press secretary.

 

[Independent thinker]

Study what Europe is doing since they now know Trump won't do it. Europe is actually very powerful, and Putin weakened his own side.

Europe is doing the same thing democrats do. When Russia invades their airspace they condemn it in the strongest possible terms.

 

[eagle1462010]

Europe is doing the same thing democrats do. When Russia invades their airspace they condemn it in the strongest possible terms.

Heard they changed their wording from Mad to Real Mad.

Scary stuff

 

[AntonToo]

I don't have a side. I just don't see a scenario where Ukraine comes out better than they do with this deal.

Ukraine doesn’t need a deal to hand over to Russia its cities and disbanding their army while getting nothing in return.

 

[AntonToo]

"Cutting" a military down from it's war time footing, is "reasonable"

at what point would it not be “war time” with Putin next door wanting what he didn’t get the first time?

Where are the security guarantees? This deal specifically forbids NATO members from defending Ukraine.

 

[ColonelAngus]

How many billions of dollars have American weapons manufacturers made off this war since the West stopped the peace agreement in Belarus in April, 2022?

How many have died?

Who was POTUS IN 2022?

 

[kyzr]

Riddle me this. What us stopping Europe from driving Russia out of Ukraine militarily?

Because they don't have an army.

 

[kyzr]

I don't have a side. I just don't see a scenario where Ukraine comes out better than they do with this deal.

Actually we don't know the latest deal that Rubio is bragging about.
It supersedes the 28-point initial peace deal.

 

[ColonelAngus]

If Donbas does not want to be part of Russia, maybe they should stop speaking Russian.