Russia will never be awarded Ukraine territory gained by Russia's invasion

[Robert W]

That’s his “peace plan”

That is why Europe won't allow
Putin to win.

 

[Robert W]

Wait, now, Robert, are you complaining about Trump?

Don't you know the first rule of a cult is you can never criticize the cult leader?

That is how you handle your cult. I am saying, forget Trump, it is now
Europe taking down the man you want to whip Ukraine.

 

[Robert W]

Putin seems to be going all-in on keeping Ukraine in his "sphere of influence", to the point of threatening WW3.

Would you try to beat Europe forces were you Putin? He has spent 4 years trying to whip Ukraine and is a failure. I am literally shocked posters don't know what is happening in Europe as to this war of Putin's.

 

[JoeB131]

That is how you handle your cult. I am saying, forget Trump, it is now
Europe taking down the man you want to whip Ukraine.

When has Europe ever been useful?

The reality is, Europe can say, "I believe in fairies" all day, but Ukraine is out of men, out of material, and out of time.

THis deal is probably the best they are going to get.

 

[beagle9]

Would you try to beat Europe forces were you Putin? He has spent 4 years trying to whip Ukraine and is a failure. I am literally shocked posters don't know what is happening in Europe as to this war of Putin's.

Europe is not kidding. They will order Putin to return lands to Ukraine and take a reasonable peace deal. Watch how Europe handles it.

As far as conventional warfare goes I'd say you are right Robert, but if escalation gets out of hand or Putin feels as if there is to much at stake if he loses, otherwise providing that this thing goes any farther than Ukraines borders somehow, then look out I suppose because the wheel would have run off of the wagon at that point.

If that happens then the Russian federation might resort to it's final card if pushed to that degree or end, otherwise if Russia is put into a box like a lab rat awaiting it's ultimate fate at the hands of it's enemies while still holding his nuclear cards.

Russia can't see itself being told what to do by those who are knee deep themselves in serious problems and/or immoral behaviors going on within their own countries is my thinking, and yes he knows about such deplorable things because he has used such things in his addressing of his nation during the war at certain intervals.

If demand respect, then one must carry themselves with respect. A very important thing we all must be cognizant of in life.

Yes nukes have been a threat for this entire time in one form or another, but a nation having them as there ultimate back up if thing's were to go dramatically wrong, uhhhh is something that most in the world aren't wanting to tip the scales on. No one wants the situation to get to that level of desperation. Such a situation might make a proud and once respected and/or feared nation resort to the ultimate solution, otherwise if it thinks that it might would gain for themselves a level of respect back within a world they feel that they are being disrespected in, and this regardless of the outcomes involved.

What say you Robert ?

 

[beagle9]

That is why Europe won't allow
Putin to win.

Allow ?

Won't allow a Win in Ukraine ?

Do they already think that Putin is on his heels ?

 

[Concerned American]

Russia wants what was damaged by Russia to be added to Russia. Trump will allow it, but the
World who has helped Ukraine will not allow it. Stop watching Trump and pay attention to the European nations who help Ukraine go against Russian aggression. Trump made a mistake by raising hell with Ukraine.

LOL, Crimea was AWARDED to Russia in 2014 as the world watched. Now the Russian's want to have access to it and Ukraine and the world are saying Bbbbbut, Bbbbut, Bbbbut. The time for all of this was in 2014 when Ukraine just said OK. If Ukraine really wants to right this wrong, Russia should withdraw to their border--including leaving Crimea. That ain't gonna happen because Russia will never allow the Sea of Azov to be choked off. Russia will be ceded everything east of the Dneiper and Vorskla Rivers and Crimea and they will completely control access to that sea. LOL, its all moot anyway because the Black Sea can be choked off at the Bosporus strait. Ain't my countries, ain't my war.

 

[Mack The Finger]

Very doubtful !

 

[Robert W]

LOL, Crimea was AWARDED to Russia in 2014 as the world watched. Now the Russian's want to have access to it and Ukraine and the world are saying Bbbbbut, Bbbbut, Bbbbut. The time for all of this was in 2014 when Ukraine just said OK. If Ukraine really wants to right this wrong, Russia should withdraw to their border--including leaving Crimea. That ain't gonna happen because Russia will never allow the Sea of Azov to be choked off. Russia will be ceded everything east of the Dneiper and Vorskla Rivers and Crimea and they will completely control access to that sea. LOL, its all moot anyway because the Black Sea can be choked off at the Bosporus strait. Ain't my countries, ain't my war.

We must have heard from a (kidding of course) Russian. I am talking about what Europe plans to do to Putin.

 

[Robert W]

Allow ?

Won't allow a Win in Ukraine ?

Do they already think that Putin is on his heels ?

Guess nobody else tracks what happens in Europe and now that Trump abandoned Ukraine, are very angry to say it nicely and plan to defend Ukraine. Thing is Putin simply has not been able to defeat Ukraine who has some super missiles ignored by our own press. Putin is on his heels. Will he use Nukes? Why would he want to see Moscow vanish?

 

[Concerned American]

We must have heard from a (kidding of course) Russian. I am talking about what Europe plans to do to Putin.

Europe is going to do what they always do. Make a lot of noise and Putin will take what he wants. Seen it played out too many times. Ukraine wants NATO benefits, Europe wants more buffer between it and Russia. Ukraine is in the middle and will take whatever it is told. Is Ukraine so important that Europe will use nukes? Nope. Russia already has what it wants and it won't give it back. Europe doesn't have the will.

 

[Robert W]

As far as conventional warfare goes I'd say you are right Robert, but if escalation gets out of hand or Putin feels as if there is to much at stake if he loses, otherwise providing that this thing goes any farther than Ukraines borders somehow, then look out I suppose because the wheel would have run off of the wagon at that point.

If that happens then the Russian federation might resort to it's final card if pushed to that degree or end, otherwise if Russia is put into a box like a lab rat awaiting it's ultimate fate at the hands of it's enemies while still holding his nuclear cards.

Russia can't see itself being told what to do by those who are knee deep themselves in serious problems and/or immoral behaviors going on within their own countries is my thinking, and yes he knows about such deplorable things because he has used such things in his addressing of his nation during the war at certain intervals.

If demand respect, then one must carry themselves with respect. A very important thing we all must be cognizant of in life.

Yes nukes have been a threat for this entire time in one form or another, but a nation having them as there ultimate back up if thing's were to go dramatically wrong, uhhhh is something that most in the world aren't wanting to tip the scales on. No one wants the situation to get to that level of desperation. Such a situation might make a proud and once respected and/or feared nation resort to the ultimate solution, otherwise if it thinks that it might would gain for themselves a level of respect back within a world they feel that they are being disrespected in, and this regardless of the outcomes involved.

What say you Robert ?

Name the only country to use nukes? Russia has lots of chances to blow up nuclear bombs. But might to save itself. But to keep from giving up lands it illegally got, that is a huge risk for Putin that many Americans seem to think he will blow up nuclear. Has he ever used such weapons? A huge risk too is to his super mansions.

 

[Robert W]

Europe is going to do what they always do. Make a lot of noise and Putin will take what he wants. Seen it played out too many times. Ukraine wants NATO benefits, Europe wants more buffer between it and Russia. Ukraine is in the middle and will take whatever it is told. Is Ukraine so important that Europe will use nukes? Nope. Russia already has what it wants and it won't give it back. Europe doesn't have the will.

I do not believe that is his case at all. Nato does not have to be on his border at all. These days Nato can defend or attack from distances. The Putin mind readers need to sign up to tell Europe what not to do. Why aren't Americans watching Europe at all?

 

[Concerned American]

Name the only country to use nukes? Russia has lots of chances to blow up nuclear bombs. But might to save itself. But to keep from giving up lands it illegally got, that is a huge risk for Putin that many Americans seem to think he will blow up nuclear. Has he ever used such weapons? A huge risk too is to his super mansions.

Nobody will use nukes. The only thing that would trigger nukes is if Europe attacks Russia in Russia. They MIGHT get that response in that case. If that scenario happens, you can just KYAGB, because it will be MAD.

 

[Robert W]

Nobody will use nukes. The only thing that would trigger nukes is if Europe attacks Russia in Russia. They MIGHT get that response in that case. If that scenario happens, you can just KYAGB, because it will be MAD.

Little Putin sure scares some Republicans. Putin really scares some here.

 

[Robert W]

When has Europe ever been useful?

The reality is, Europe can say, "I believe in fairies" all day, but Ukraine is out of men, out of material, and out of time.

THis deal is probably the best they are going to get.

Well, you pick sides of course. Putin is your man.

 

[Robert W]

Wait, now, Robert, are you complaining about Trump?

Don't you know the first rule of a cult is you can never criticize the cult leader?

Which is why you stopped criticizing Democrats

Did you enjoy the Democrats shut down?

 

[Robert W]

Nobody will use nukes. The only thing that would trigger nukes is if Europe attacks Russia in Russia. They MIGHT get that response in that case. If that scenario happens, you can just KYAGB, because it will be MAD.

Ukraine has been for months attacking targets in Russia and Putin has not hit them with any nuclear weapons.

 

[Rogue AI]

I am trying to inform you who think just Trump can stop Putin, he faces the collective forces of most of Europe.

When Europe attacks Russia, will Trump stand by and pretend he has no idea?

The same Eurotrash clowns that couldn't handle Kosovo on their own are going to handle Russia? Good luck with that. Your delusions are hilarious.

 

[Concerned American]

Little Putin sure scares some Republicans. Putin really scares some here.

LMAO. Not my countries, not my war. Just keep my tax $$$ and my fellow Americans out of it.