Russia will never be awarded Ukraine territory gained by Russia's invasion

[Deadstick]

The cause of the war in Ukraine is due to the American MIC. Europe bought into it mostly because of previous American/NATO coercion but now that Trump seems to want out, Europe is left holding the bag. You can argue against Trumps roll if you want but the bottom line is that European leadership screwed over its population. Putin understands the NATO/EU plan and so he's now taking action against that plan. Do I think Russia was right to go into Donbas? Yes. Do I regard it as an invasion? No. And what about Russian conquering all of Ukraine? Yeah, what about it? Who says Russia wants all of Ukraine? Do I think Russia should take all of Ukraine? No. So, back to your question: Europe should not impose anything on Russia as long as Russia sticks to its fundamental plan. If you don't know what that plan is then you can ask me or just read again my 4 points in post #193.

Russia never wanted the whole of Ukraine, why would they want Bandera infested Lviv or Galicia?

 

[Deadstick]

Dummy Ukraine and EU have been doing nothing but de-millitarizing when you invaded them, annexed Ukraine and started taking over their eastern cities with hybrid forces.

YOU Rushists are the reason for militarization of Europe, not the other way around.

Isn't it funny how you consistently can't get timelines and cause-effect right? You think it's maybe because you are ******* brainwashed to hilt?

Which hybrid forces?

 

[GLASNOST]

Russia never wanted the whole of Ukraine,

That's what Russia's said all along and I have no reason to doubt it.

why would they want Bandera infested Lviv or Galicia?

Well, I'm sure they don't want it (for themselves) but it might continue to cause cross-border problems into the future. That is a subject slated for a lot of discussion. I have been to Ukraine and it is a POS and I cannot imagine what it will take to clean the place up. I am assuming it will get back to being Europe's baby manufacturer and far as its corruption overall ..... who knows?

 

[Deadstick]

That's what Russia's said all along and I have no reason to doubt it.

Well, I'm sure they don't want it (for themselves) but it might continue to cause cross-border problems into the future. That is a subject slated for a lot of discussion. I have been to Ukraine and it is a POS and I cannot imagine what it will take to clean the place up. I am assuming it will get back to being Europe's baby manufacturer and far as its corruption overall ..... who knows?

Once the SMO is done let what is left of Ukraine to fester in it's own corruption.

 

[FireFly]

US invasion of Iraq was a green light for Putin to invade Georgia & Ukraine!

 

[GLASNOST]

Once the SMO is done let what is left of Ukraine to fester in it's own corruption.

There's nothing left for it.

 

[GLASNOST]

US invasion or Iraq was a green light for Putin to invade Georgia & Ukraine!

Even without the illegal US invasion of Iraq, the fact that the CIA put in their puppets Saakashvili and Zoolinsky WITH IMPUNITY demonstrates that all pretence of international law, order, and democracy is out of the window. If Putin should do the same who can blame him?

 

[martybegan]

Placating Putin is not a solution

Yea, it ends today’s war and allows Putin to lick his wounds and regroup. It also applies no consequences for an unprovoked invasion.

Meanwhile, Ukraine is told to reduce the size of its army, never apply to NATO all in some unsupported promise of protection from the West.

Ukraine had those same assurances of protection when they gave up their nuclear weapons and later ceded Crimea ……Putin just invaded anyway

Neville Chamberlain 2.0

The only way to restore Ukraine's pre 2014 borders is 3-4 mechanized NATO corps, multiple wings of NATO aircraft, and a total maritime blockade or Russia. Followed by 10 or so divisions of NATO aligned infantry to hold what was taken.

Are you willing to have us do that?

 

[ColonelAngus]

What is the ethnic makeup of the territory Russia will not cede?

FF, you disagree with my question?

Huh?

 

[Deadstick]

Even without the illegal US invasion of Iraq, the fact that the CIA put in their puppets Saakashvili and Zoolinsky WITH IMPUNITY demonstrates that all pretence of international law, order, and democracy is out of the window. If Putin should do the same who can blame him?

They know nothing, Putin wasn't even President when Russia had to teach Saako a lesson, it was Medvedev who took action once the US puppet Saaashvili launched a blitzkrieg at midnight on August 8th 2008 killing civilians and Russian peacekeepers, Rusia should have brought that rat back to Moscow in a cage.

 

[GLASNOST]

They know nothing,

Never have, never will. They insist upon it.

Putin wasn't even President when Russia had to teach Saako a lesson, it was Medvedev who took action once the US puppet Saaashvili launched a blitzkrieg at midnight on August 8th 2008 killing civilians and Russian peacekeepers, Rusia should have brought that rat back to Moscow in a cage.

Thank you for reminding me of some of the details.

 

[Zavulon]

Russia never wanted the whole of Ukraine, why would they want Bandera infested Lviv or Galicia?

There are different groups of Russians, and different understanding of the possibilities and practical necessity. And western Ukrainians are Russian people even if some of them don't think so. My Grandma was born in Western Ukraine (in a little village near Lvov) and I've been there few times when I was a little boy. People there are crude and unspeakably plain, but some of them have a glimmer of potential if allied with proper Russian vision and brain.

What would you do if your brother is infected? Try to heal him, or just leave him in a danger? There are different ways to reintegrate them in human society.

 

[Zavulon]

The only way to restore Ukraine's pre 2014 borders is 3-4 mechanized NATO corps, multiple wings of NATO aircraft, and a total maritime blockade or Russia. Followed by 10 or so divisions of NATO aligned infantry to hold what was taken.

You forgot the most important part of this BIG, BEAUTIFUL PLAN. First of all you need to eliminate Russian nuclear forces by a preempive strike. Without it, Russia will simply escalate to the level Limited Nuclear War, and the USA, with very few tactical nukes can't match Russia.

 

[martybegan]

You forgot the most important part of this BIG, BEAUTIFUL PLAN. First of all you need to eliminate Russian nuclear forces by a preempive strike. Without it, Russia will simply escalate to the level Limited Nuclear War, and the USA, with very few tactical nukes can't match Russia.

I don't think they would cross the nuclear line unless NATO crossed into actual Russian territory.

 

[Zavulon]

I don't think they would cross the nuclear line unless NATO crossed into actual Russian territory.

Of course they will. New Russian territories are Russian territories, too. But it is not the point. The point is, that if you send a limited conventional forces, you send them to a certain death. And nobody send people to a certain death just for jesture. Russia definitely thinks that thise limited forces are just an initial phase of a larger invasion, which will become nuclear at the moment NATO choose. Russia would prefer a limited (or even all-out) nuclear war to NATO forces in Ukraine (as well as the USA would prefer nuclear war to Russian and Chinese forces in Canada).
If, for example, both Europe and America decided to commit a jump of faith and together attack Russian forces, Russians will think, that this is not just an attempt of murder-suicide, but that NATO has a realistic (at least from their point of view) plan of victory. And if Russians don't know what is this plan, they will simply attack first.

 

[rightwinger]

The only way to restore Ukraine's pre 2014 borders is 3-4 mechanized NATO corps, multiple wings of NATO aircraft, and a total maritime blockade or Russia. Followed by 10 or so divisions of NATO aligned infantry to hold what was taken.

Are you willing to have us do that?

Nope

But I also don’t support rewarding Russia for a military invasion

Maintain sanctions
Enhance Ukraines military
Keep NATO in play

 

[martybegan]

Nope

But I also don’t support rewarding Russia for a military invasion

Maintain sanctions
Enhance Ukraines military
Keep NATO in play

Right now your plan results in Ukraine slowly losing more and more territory.

Russia won 1.5 years ago, right now it's just a slow death for Ukraine.

You think this is a computer game.

 

[AntonToo]

Which hybrid forces?

It was "little green men" annexing Crimea. Putin later admitted they were in fact active duty Russian soldiers wihtout identifications.

Armed para-military people like Girkin, an ex-KGB agent, and other RF "volunteers" funded, armed and backed by Russian millitary, were also part of the annexation doing tasks like rounding up Crimean parlamentarians to put lipstik on Russian annexation pig.

Months after that Girkin's team then headed into Donbass area, spearheading seperatists to take over cities like Sloviansk and Kramatorsk.

Russia's Igor Strelkov: I Am Responsible for War in Eastern Ukraine

Russian national Igor Strelkov, a former commander of pro-Moscow separatists in eastern Ukraine, has claimed personal responsibility for unleashing the conflict in which 4,300 people have been killed since April.

www.themoscowtimes.com

 

[AntonToo]

I don't talk about Ukraine only.

Dummy that was the European country you've invaded and once you start invading countries other countries start re-evaluating their defense.

 

[Robert W]

The cause of the war in Ukraine is due to the American MIC. Europe bought into it mostly because of previous American/NATO coercion but now that Trump seems to want out, Europe is left holding the bag. You can argue against Trumps roll if you want but the bottom line is that European leadership screwed over its population. Putin understands the NATO/EU plan and so he's now taking action against that plan. Do I think Russia was right to go into Donbas? Yes. Do I regard it as an invasion? No. And what about Russian conquering all of Ukraine? Yeah, what about it? Who says Russia wants all of Ukraine? Do I think Russia should take all of Ukraine? No. So, back to your question: Europe should not impose anything on Russia as long as Russia sticks to its fundamental plan. If you don't know what that plan is then you can ask me or just read again my 4 points in post #193.

So, Russia invades Ukraine and nothing should happen to Russia. You tell us not to impose anything against Russia. Russia is a war criminal.