Russia will never be awarded Ukraine territory gained by Russia's invasion

[Seymour Flops]

Russia wants what was damaged by Russia to be added to Russia. Trump will allow it, but the
World who has helped Ukraine will not allow it. Stop watching Trump and pay attention to the European nations who help Ukraine go against Russian aggression. Trump made a mistake by raising hell with Ukraine.

Hear, hear!

How long should I pay attention to Europe before they move Russia forcefully out of all Ukraine territories and the Crimea?

 

[JoeB131]

Europe realizes Putin remains a threat to everyone.
They understand this “peace deal” just cripples Ukraine and allows Putin to lick his wounds, rebuild and attack again

Trump just wants his damned Peace Prize

Then Europe should pick up where we left off.

The problem is, the war isn't sustainable. Ukraine is running out of men. They are pressing 50-somethings into service, while families are sending their teen sons to Poland to avoid future drafts.

Ukrainians are damned angry that they found out that the Energy Minister has been stealing millions while they can't keep the power on.

Porkansk is about to fall.

As bad as this deal is, it's probably the best Ukraine is going to get. They need to lick their wounds as well.

And as much as I utterly hate Trump and everything he stands for, if he win peace here, he'll deserve that prize more than some lady in Venezuela who lost an election.

 

[rightwinger]

Then Europe should pick up where we left off.

The problem is, the war isn't sustainable. Ukraine is running out of men. They are pressing 50-somethings into service, while families are sending their teen sons to Poland to avoid future drafts.

Ukrainians are damned angry that they found out that the Energy Minister has been stealing millions while they can't keep the power on.

Porkansk is about to fall.

As bad as this deal is, it's probably the best Ukraine is going to get. They need to lick their wounds as well.

And as much as I utterly hate Trump and everything he stands for, if he win peace here, he'll deserve that prize more than some lady in Venezuela who lost an election.

It is merely a pause to allow Putin to regroup

He understands how the west will react

 

[Robert W]

Hear, hear!

How long should I pay attention to Europe before they move Russia forcefully out of all Ukraine territories and the Crimea?

Trump is not part of it, but Europe has warned Putin to give back Crimea and what he took from Ukraine that they will enforce it. Stop thinking Trump and think all of Europe. They are angry as hell. England talks of sending their fighters to take out Russia to Putin. Why not have Europe teach Putin a lesson? They hate the deal Trump wants to use there.

 

[Robert W]

Sounds like you've become comfortable with WW3 beginning ? You know that's what it will ultimately lead too right ?

What makes you so fearful of Putin? As I told the forum, Trump is not about to confront Putin, but I studied what Europe is going to do and they hate the Trump deal and demand Putin return all of Ukraine, including Crimea to Ukraine. Putin has waged war so long he is so weak he tried to import North Koreans and that did not work out as he planned.

 

[Robert W]

It is merely a pause to allow Putin to regroup

He understands how the west will react

Why won't you agree Putin shot his wad waging war against Ukraine and now this has happened, Europe sees it is time to knock that jerk out? Look at Europe and not at Trump.

 

[Robert W]

Then Europe should pick up where we left off.

The problem is, the war isn't sustainable. Ukraine is running out of men. They are pressing 50-somethings into service, while families are sending their teen sons to Poland to avoid future drafts.

Ukrainians are damned angry that they found out that the Energy Minister has been stealing millions while they can't keep the power on.

Porkansk is about to fall.

As bad as this deal is, it's probably the best Ukraine is going to get. They need to lick their wounds as well.

And as much as I utterly hate Trump and everything he stands for, if he win peace here, he'll deserve that prize more than some lady in Venezuela who lost an election.

I am informing this forum, please pay attention, It is not Trump this time, it is all of Europe. Putin waging war weakened Russia, and it is now time for Europe to knock that bastard out. They want him to return Crimea plus the lands taken in the war we think of all the time. This time it will be Europe and not the USA. You guys focus on America and Trump.

 

[Robert W]

Europe won't attack Russia.

Study what Europe is doing since they now know Trump won't do it. Europe is actually very powerful, and Putin weakened his own side.

 

[Slyhunter]

The only reason Russia hasn't taken hat it wanted is because of us. We only delayed the inevitable a prolonged the damage/torture. We shouldn't of ever wasted our money on this. China is getting the leg up on both of us because of us wasting our funds on this.

 

[Robert W]

Sounds like you've become comfortable with WW3 beginning ? You know that's what it will ultimately lead too right ?

Sounds like you gave up to Putin. Europe has prepared to get him to restore Ukraine fully, including Crimea. Europe is far more powerful than Putin.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Trump is not part of it, but Europe has warned Putin to give back Crimea and what he took from Ukraine that they will enforce it. Stop thinking Trump and think all of Europe. They are angry as hell. England talks of sending their fighters to take out Russia to Putin. Why not have Europe teach Putin a lesson? They hate the deal Trump wants to use there.

Yes, I've been saying that.

Let Europe take care of Europe. We saved them from themselves twice in the last century in enormous cost to ourselves in lives and treasure. They seem not to have learnt from either experience, and why should they? We took the brunt of it.

Let them get angry as hell and "talk of" pushing Russia out of Ukraine. The Crimea also, why they're at it.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Then Europe should pick up where we left off.

The problem is, the war isn't sustainable. Ukraine is running out of men. They are pressing 50-somethings into service, while families are sending their teen sons to Poland to avoid future drafts.

Ukrainians are damned angry that they found out that the Energy Minister has been stealing millions while they can't keep the power on.

Porkansk is about to fall.

As bad as this deal is, it's probably the best Ukraine is going to get. They need to lick their wounds as well.

And as much as I utterly hate Trump and everything he stands for, if he win peace here, he'll deserve that prize more than some lady in Venezuela who lost an election.

Well stated!

From a guy who rarely agrees with you, I doff hat to you.

 

[candycorn]

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Awarded?
The US was awarded the Southwest after defeating Mexico militarily?
Roughly the same difference.
The war was over, conquered land changed hands, the loser resented it and was powerless to stop it.
The same will happen in this war.

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Then why is your blob so concerned with it?

 

[candycorn]

Trump has proposed “secondary tariffs” ranging from 25 to 50 percent on nations that purchase oil from Russia.

SUCH A PUTIN PUPPET.

You lefties are ******* dipshits.

And they will be repealed a few days later...

 

[JoeB131]

Trump is not part of it, but Europe has warned Putin to give back Crimea and what he took from Ukraine that they will enforce it. Stop thinking Trump and think all of Europe. They are angry as hell. England talks of sending their fighters to take out Russia to Putin. Why not have Europe teach Putin a lesson? They hate the deal Trump wants to use there.

Wait, now, Robert, are you complaining about Trump?

Don't you know the first rule of a cult is you can never criticize the cult leader?

 

[beagle9]

Then Europe should pick up where we left off.

The problem is, the war isn't sustainable. Ukraine is running out of men. They are pressing 50-somethings into service, while families are sending their teen sons to Poland to avoid future drafts.

Ukrainians are damned angry that they found out that the Energy Minister has been stealing millions while they can't keep the power on.

Porkansk is about to fall.

As bad as this deal is, it's probably the best Ukraine is going to get. They need to lick their wounds as well.

And as much as I utterly hate Trump and everything he stands for, if he win peace here, he'll deserve that prize more than some lady in Venezuela who lost an election.

I hear you going out on the limb for a change...

Welcome aboard the common sense train, and isn't it amazing that in a war torn country we are learning about extreme corruption being conducted by official's in the face of that nation experiencing a devastating war on it's soil ??

Make it make sense...

 

[JoeB131]

I hear you going out on the limb for a change...

Welcome aboard the common sense train, and isn't it amazing that in a war torn country we are learning about extreme corruption being conducted by official's in the face of that nation experiencing a devastating war on it's soil ??

Make it make sense...

Not at all. 99% of the time, Common Sense and MAGA aren't even in the same zip code.

In this case, we have both parties clamoring for a war that they have no idea how to resolve.

Now, I don't think Trump is acting out of "Common Sense", he's acting out of his love for Putin, his animus for Zelenskyy, and his vain desire for a Nobel Peace Prize.

He's doing the right thing for most of the wrong reasons.

 

[beagle9]

Sounds like you gave up to Putin. Europe has prepared to get him to restore Ukraine fully, including Crimea. Europe is far more powerful than Putin.

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It's not about traditional warfare and power any longer. Game changers are taking place on the battlefields quicker than spit as we speak. Information seems to be erratic, and it's swapping back and forth from side to side every week, month or year this thing keeps going on.

Putins forces have only gotten stronger as well as Zelenskys due to having to counter technology with technology, and then having to adapt to new strategies and weapons being invented or implemented in equal aggressiveness because of losses and gains on the battlefields...

It's all due to technology choices and innovations in trying to counter one another that we are seeing these new and long attrition wars taking place.

No dog in the fight, just an observer is all.

 

[Lesh]

Surrender Monkey Trump will give Putin everything he asks for

That’s his “peace plan”

 

[Robert W]

Putin seems to be going all-in on keeping Ukraine in his "sphere of influence", to the point of threatening WW3.

Would you try to beat Europe forces were you Putin? He has spent 4 years trying to whip Ukraine and is a failure. I am literally shocked posters don't know what is happening in Europe as to this war of Putin's.

It's not about traditional warfare and power any longer. Game changers are taking place on the battlefields quicker than spit as we speak. Information seems to be erratic, and it's swapping back and forth from side to side every week, month or year this thing keeps going on.

Putins forces have only gotten stronger as well as Zelenskys due to having to counter technology with technology, and then having to adapt to new strategies and weapons being invented or implemented in equal aggressiveness because of losses and gains on the battlefields...

It's all due to technology choices and innovations in trying to counter one another that we are seeing these new and long attrition wars taking place.

No dog in the fight, just an observer is all.

Europe is not kidding. They will order Putin to return lands to Ukraine and take a reasonable peace deal. Watch how Europe handles it.