Russia will never be awarded Ukraine territory gained by Russia's invasion

[Robert W]

Duh, they don't have an army, so what will they fight him with?

Europe has an army. Updated fighter planes, very excellent missiles. I hear Putin has nothing like that. Putin needs to decide how many of his cities would he like to see vanish.

Europe's plan to stop Putin invading with war 'closer than it's been since 1945'​

UK Defence Secretary John Healey has warned Vladimir Putin is 'testing' the West after Russian drones violated Polish airspace on Tuesday night, forcing a multinational response.

More than eight million Poles were ordered to hide in their homes as the drones flew overhead, with debris from one shot-down device severely damaging a house.

Poland's prime minister, Donald Tusk, condemned the unprecedented violation of the country's airspace, saying: 'This situation brings us all closer to open conflict, closer than at any time since the Second World War.'

Poland invoked NATO's Article 4, under which any member can call urgent talks when it feels its 'territorial integrity, political independence or security' are at risk.

Mark Rutte, Secretary General of the military alliance, issued a stark warning to the Russian president, telling him to 'stop violating allied airspace, and know that we stand ready, that we are vigilant, and that we will defend every inch of NATO territory'.

Up to four of the 19 Russian drones were shot down by Polish and NATO aircraft - the first time Kremlin drones have been downed while flying above a NATO territory. Those that entered Poland were part of a huge overnight attack on Ukraine, during which Russia launched 415 drones.

As Europe braces for an imminent war with Russia, countries are turning their borders into defensive swampland and stockpiling essential goods such as food, water and medicine in preparation for a crisis.

Several members of the 27-nation bloc are taking the drastic measures in anticipation of an invasion by the Russian president - with the Polish incursion showing that Putin seems to be already turning his sights beyond Kyiv.

There is a hell of a lot to read. Putin seems to be intending to cause WW3. IF Europe won't stop him, seems not likely Trump plans to stop him.

WW3 is very serious. I advise all posters to read this particular topic in this data.

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[rightwinger]

Trump cant do jack, just like Biden wasn't doing anything but fleecing the pockets of himself, zelensky, and the war machine. Geesh, I've never seen such naivete.

Biden built an international coalition that prevented Putin from taking Ukraine

Surrender Monkey Trump is giving Putin everything he asks for

 

[Robert W]

Biden built an international coalition that prevented Putin from taking Ukraine

Surrender Monkey Trump is giving Putin everything he asks for

This time it won't matter what Trump does, Europe is very determined to actually stop Putin and restore Ukraine and Putin loses Crimea.

 

[rightwinger]

This time it won't matter what Trump does, Europe is very determined to actually stop Putin and restore Ukraine and Putin loses Crimea.

Europe has balls

Trump is a Surrender Monkey

 

[justoffal]

What is the ethnic makeup of the territory Russia will not cede?

About 80 percent Russian....
And it's not Zakensky who is the problem here ..
It's actually NATO... Russia will not quit until they get it so this is going to get pretty interesting.

 

[JanetTheGreat]

Not our war. If you believe in Ukraine, and want to stand by your word - go for it, and volunteer. Otherwise, stop the virtue signaling.

 

[Zavulon]

Europe has an army. Updated fighter planes, very excellent missiles. I hear Putin has nothing like that. Putin needs to decide how many of his cities would he like to see vanish.

Europe (i.e. only France) has only three strategic nuclear submarines and some cruise missiles on Raphael's. If Russia destroy two of their submarines by the first strike, France has only one of them survived. With one submarine they can't destroy Moscow. And for every damaged Russian city Russia will destroy seven French cities and then demand unconditional surrender.

 

[Robert W]

Does it really matter? MAD, which would extend around the globe.

I am trying to inform you who think just Trump can stop Putin, he faces the collective forces of most of Europe.

When Europe attacks Russia, will Trump stand by and pretend he has no idea?

 

[Zavulon]

This time it won't matter what Trump does, Europe is very determined to actually stop Putin and restore Ukraine and Putin loses Crimea.

If Europe is determined to commit suicide, there is no practical way to save them. The only practical question is will America join them in their suicide or not.

 

[georgephillip]

Putin started the war
Why should he be excluded from attacks?

US support for NATO's eastward expansion including to Ukraine and Georgia were deliberate provocations that threatened Russia's western border.

The US role in the 2014 Maidan coup produced a dozen CIA funded and constructed secret forward operating bases in Ukraine committed to regime change in Moscow regardless of how many Ukrainians are killed, maimed, and/or displaced.

When you add in all the arms provided by the US along with numerous joint military exercises Russia was correct to view US meddling as a form of direct involvement in the conflict.

Are you really willing to risk nuclear war over a state as corrupt as Ukraine?

 

[Robert W]

Europe (i.e. only France) has only three strategic nuclear submarines and some cruise missiles on Raphael's. If Russia destroy two of their submarines by the first strike, France has only one of them survived. With one submarine they can't destroy Moscow. And for every damaged Russian city Russia will destroy seven French cities and then demand unconditional surrender.

He is telling you the plans of Putin. Wake up America citizens but he ignores other nuclear fleets by Europe. Putin is dangerous. Trump did wrong to shun Ukraine, but Europe has not shunned them. Putin is a paper tiger now. He has not so much as tested his nuclear weapons. This is why Trump will test the nukes of the USA.

 

[Zavulon]

Europe has balls

Trump is a Surrender Monkey

They face a choice between surrender and suicide. If Trump is going to surrender, he wants to survive. If Europe is going to commit suicide - they are welcomed.

 

[Robert W]

If Europe is determined to commit suicide, there is no practical way to save them. The only practical question is will America join them in their suicide or not.

HA, you defend Putin who has not so much as beaten Ukraine yet you think he will beat all of Europe?

 

[Robert W]

They face a choice between surrender and suicide. If Trump is going to surrender, he wants to survive. If Europe is going to commit suicide - they are welcomed.

Putin intends to follow the system used by Hitler and did that work out for Hitler? Japan can be expected to wage war against Putin as well. Putin started a war he can't win.

 

[Zavulon]

He is telling you the plans of Putin.

Hey, those plans are as old as nuclear forces at all.

Wake up America citizens but he ignores other nuclear fleets by Europe.

United Kingdom is no more a part of the EU. Other European countries has no nuclear weapons.

Putin is dangerous. Trump did wrong to shun Ukraine, but Europe has not shunned them. Putin is a paper tiger now. He has not so much as tested his nuclear weapons. This is why Trump will test the nukes of the USA.

We'll see.

 

[Ringo]

Ukrainian journalist and former editor of "Forbes Ukraine" Maksim Kukhar is, as the kids say, "having a normal one":

"1. The plan is as follows.
Officially condemn the United States for switching to the side of aggressive Russia in its war against Ukraine.

In connection with the betrayal by the United States, expel the entire staff of the U.S. Embassy and all American citizens from Ukraine within 48 hours.

Freeze the accounts and activities of American companies in Ukraine. Begin the process of their nationalization, as well as the nationalization of any U.S. assets in Ukraine.

Offer EU countries Ukrainian troops to blockade U.S. military bases in Europe. Since, with the United States now definitively siding with Moscow, these bases may also threaten the independence of EU states.

Prepare for military confrontation with U.S. forces in Europe. Develop pre-emptive strikes against their bases and concentrations of forces.

2. When Russia attacked us, we were told we wouldn’t last even a week. Today they will say that if we don’t listen to the U.S. and capitulate, we won’t last even two weeks. But that is a lie—just like the first time.

Russia has already broken its teeth on us. Now we must force the United States, which from the first days of the war has helped Moscow far more than it helped us, to understand that it has no right to dictate anything to our country.

3. On the military aspect. The United States has no political possibility to create a significant grouping of forces near our borders, nor is such a possibility expected.

Trump cannot say, “I will send troops to Ukraine so they can force Kyiv to submit to Moscow.”

Therefore, the U.S. is now simply gifting us the position of Europe’s military leader for decades to come.

The main thing now is not to be frightened by empty words and not to give up this position for nothing, for reasons no one understands. Only escalation with Washington and accusing it of betraying everything sacred and democratic—there is no other path."

 

[Zavulon]

Putin intends to follow the system used by Hitler and did that work out for Hitler?

Russia used this system long before Hitler was born.

Japan can be expected to wage war against Putin as well.

Really? Japan doesn't posses nukes at all. They will be eliminated before they say "Nyan"

Putin started a war he can't win.

Of course he can.

 

[justoffal]

If Europe is determined to commit suicide, there is no practical way to save them. The only practical question is will America join them in their suicide or not.

I doubt it... That will bring in China

 

[ColonelAngus]

Not our war. If you believe in Ukraine, and want to stand by your word - go for it, and volunteer. Otherwise, stop the virtue signaling.

I have said this same thing many times in the last 3 1/2 years.

The board lefties seem to not care enough to fight for Ukraine, only to whine about Trump and Putin.

 

[JanetTheGreat]

I have said this same thing many times in the last 3 1/2 years.

The board lefties seem to not care enough to fight for Ukraine, only to whine about Trump and Putin.

Virtue signaling is easy to do until they have to actually stand up for what they believe in, then they go running.