Russia will never be awarded Ukraine territory gained by Russia's invasion

[Zavulon]

Oh???

Because the way you tell it Nazification is when you don't want Russians getting killed while trying steal a piece of foreign land.

What in my words made you to think so? Vice versa. Nazification (in Ukraine) makes people wish to kill Russians.

 

[Zavulon]

Who is "they"?

The ethnic Russian Putinist here that is telling you that there are plenty of Russians fighting for Ukranian side or me, an ethnic Russian who fully supports democratic Ukrane defending itself against a fascist invasion?

Actually, all Ukrainians are Russians, as well as Texans and Canadians are Americans (in one or another meaning of the word). It, de facto, is a civil war. And as American Civil war wasn't "Whites vs Blacks", same way, our conflict is mostly between Nazies and Vatniks, not between Russians and Ukrainians.

Zelenskyy is doing his damn job and the moment he so much as thinks about rolling over to Russian invaders is the moment he will be gone, because he, with Ukraine's parlament works for the people of Ukraine, not the other way around.

Of course, no. Ukrainian parliament is just selling simple people as cannon fodder. You buy meat, they sell meat. That's all. Don't buy them - and they won't sell them.

 

[Litwin]

 

[AntonToo]

Actually, all Ukrainians are Russians, as well as Texans and Canadians are Americans

Kids, this is your brain on Russian propaganda.

 

[AntonToo]

It, de facto, is a civil war.

Dumbass, it's not a civil war when one side is fighting under foreign flag and annexing territories to that second country.

World War II was not a "civil war" just because a million Vlasovites, aka "Russian Liberation Army" were fighting Soviets.

 

[AntonToo]

What in my words made you to think so? Vice versa. Nazification (in Ukraine) makes people wish to kill Russians.

Nobody was killing Russians just because they are Russian you dumb propaganda chugging dupe. If that was the case this would be something happening across entire Ukraine since there were/are plenty of ethnic Russians everywhere.

People were getting killed where RF separatists and RF Army showed up with guns and started putting RF flags on buildings.

 

[AntonToo]

Except he won't have a choice, especially after Trump pulls the rug out from underneath him.

Like it or not, any peace will be on Putin's terms.

Maybe, but whatever he agrees to will not be up to just him, but for Ukrainian society as a whole.

He is just a manager his people hired, not a de-facto Czar like Putin, who can bend the thinking of large sheepish majorities through total control of media propaganda and repression.

 

[beagle9]

Dumbass, it's not a civil war when one side is fighting under foreign flag and annexing territories to that second country.

World War II was not a "civil war" just because a million Vlasovites, aka "Russian Liberation Army" were fighting Soviets.

Anton, I guess he is looking at it from the perspective that Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union before the two separated right ? This is why he says that basically they are all Russians even though fighting under two flags right ?? So are the Russians looking at Ukraine as being an illegitimate state since it had broken the rules that Russia and Ukraine had agreed upon, otherwise when Ukraine gained it's independence after the Soviet Union was desolved ??

I'm just an observer of the conversation here, and so I'm just learning about it when watching you all go at it with your different opinions and/or history spoken on it here.

 

[beagle9]

Maybe, but whatever he agrees to will not be up to just him, but for Ukrainian society as a whole.

He is just a manager his people hired, not a de-facto Czar like Putin, who can bend the thinking of large sheepish majorities through total control of media propaganda and repression.

In order to "bend the thinking", doesn't some of what is being said by the Russian president have to be true or is it being suggested that an entire population/nation of people can be manipulated and misled by one individual ???? The same goes for Ukraine right ?

So what is actually being suggested by you, is that the people of nation's want what they want, and all the leader does is manage what they want, otherwise when you apply your opinion on Ukraine and it's leadership or upon Russia and it's leadership ??

 

[AntonToo]

In order to "bend the thinking", doesn't some of what is being said by the Russian president have to be true or is it being suggested that an entire population/nation of people can be manipulated and misled by one individual ???? The same goes for Ukraine right ?

So what is actually being suggested by you, is that the people of nation's want what they want, and all the leader does is manage what they want, otherwise when you apply your opinion on Ukraine and it's leadership or upon Russia and it's leadership ??

You have a naive understanding of what people can be made to belive when you de-facto control the media.

Russians say things like "Russia has never invaded anyone"

It's absurd, it's crazy, it's far detached from reality...but if thats what your TV beats into you day in and out you are likely to belive it.

If no one on TV ever criticizes Dear Leader, if all they do is justify all he does and frame economic reality, then guess what, he is going to be pretty popular no matter what is going on. That's why autocrats are usualy so much more popular than leaders in democratic countries.

If all your TV shows about America is slumps, gay parades and drugs, then you are actually going to belive thats what life is like in America.

If all your TV shows 24/7 are Ukranian soldiers with Nazi tatoos, crowd in Kiev doing anti-Moscovite chants, someone saying they can't speak Russian in Ukraine, and graves for children in Donbas then you are going to belive that bloody leveling of Ukranian cities and getting around million people killed is some sort of liberation operation.


Just look at all the crazy shit our very own Moscovite specimen posts on here. Let tell you, he is VERY average out there.

 

[AntonToo]

The same goes for Ukraine right?

NO. There is an open and ongoing coverage and criticism of Zelenskyy, of corruption scandals within administration, of situation at the front line and no one is disappeared or jailed for it.

International media is not being blocked, internet is not censored the way it is in Russia.

As I've explained, Zelenskyy is trully beholden to Ukranians, even if there are restrictions on spreading invader and separatist propaganda during the war.

 

[Litwin]

they are all Russians even though fighting under two flags right ??

Wrong. Ukrainians - Wikipedia Did you get an RT job? Because you sound like RT. The leading historian speaks out on this subject:

Historian Timothy Snyder: The Moscow empire´s Historical Myth ​

and :

 

[AntonToo]

Anton, I guess he is looking at it from the perspective that Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union before the two separated right ? This is why he says that basically they are all Russians even though fighting under two flags right ?? So are the Russians looking at Ukraine as being an illegitimate state since it had broken the rules that Russia and Ukraine had agreed upon, otherwise when Ukraine gained it's independence after the Soviet Union was desolved ??

I'm just an observer of the conversation here, and so I'm just learning about it when watching you all go at it with your different opinions and/or history spoken on it here.

He is looking at it from the perspective his TV beats into his head.

Czar Putin can't live with Ukraine becoming an open democracy in EU and propaganda goes to work.

"Soviet Union", "we are one people", "our grandfathers fought Nazis", "Crimea was always Russian", "Russian World", "Anglo-Saxon values", "Ukraine is not a real country"...whatever rhetoric and framing is required will be provided.

These are just means-to-ends.

 

[Ringo]

Czar Putin can't live with Ukraine becoming an open democracy in EU and propaganda goes to work.

For the attention of those reading this scoundrel. He is a deceitful, despicable, and ignorant liar. I do not believe he is working for money, as no one would pay such a low-intellect individual. Most likely, some cheap, artificial intelligence is writing for him. Reading and, even more so, responding to this moron's messages tarnishes your character. Be careful.

 

[AntonToo]

For the attention of those reading this scoundrel. He is a deceitful, despicable, and ignorant liar. I do not believe he is working for money, as no one would pay such a low-intellect individual. Most likely, some cheap, artificial intelligence is writing for him. Reading and, even more so, responding to this moron's messages tarnishes your character. Be careful.

Brainwashed people often have trouble dealing with simple facts and making coherent counter arguments.

What are they going to do? quote TV?

 

[AlexanderPK]

For the attention of those reading this scoundrel. He is a deceitful, despicable, and ignorant liar. I do not believe he is working for money, as no one would pay such a low-intellect individual. Most likely, some cheap, artificial intelligence is writing for him. Reading and, even more so, responding to this moron's messages tarnishes your character. Be careful.

Don't know about the artificial intelligence but a scumbag he is, that's for sure.

 

[beagle9]

You have a naive understanding of what people can be made to belive when you de-facto control the media.

Russians say things like "Russia has never invaded anyone"

It's absurd, it's crazy, it's far detached from reality...but if thats what your TV beats into you day in and out you are likely to belive it.

If no one on TV ever criticizes Dear Leader, if all they do is justify all he does and frame economic reality, then guess what, he is going to be pretty popular no matter what is going on. That's why autocrats are usualy so much more popular than leaders in democratic countries.

If all your TV shows about America is slumps, gay parades and drugs, then you are actually going to belive thats what life is like in America.

If all your TV shows 24/7 are Ukranian soldiers with Nazi tatoos, crowd in Kiev doing anti-Moscovite chants, someone saying they can't speak Russian in Ukraine, and graves for children in Donbas then you are going to belive that bloody leveling of Ukranian cities and getting around million people killed is some sort of liberation operation.


Just look at all the crazy shit our very own Moscovite specimen posts on here. Let tell you, he is VERY average out there.

You absolutely nailed the last 4 year's of Bidens administration and it's ridiculous hold it had on the media and the dumbocrats.. In fact it goes back to the Obama administration whether active or attempting to run things behind the scene.

That must have been a huge slip up by you..

 

[beagle9]

NO. There is an open and ongoing coverage and criticism of Zelenskyy, of corruption scandals within administration, of situation at the front line and no one is disappeared or jailed for it.

International media is not being blocked, internet is not censored the way it is in Russia.

As I've explained, Zelenskyy is trully beholden to Ukranians, even if there are restrictions on spreading invader and separatist propaganda during the war.

Yes restrictions are needed during war time, so even non-restrictions can appear to be transparent, but if a nation is controlling the media and brainwashing the citizen's, then what one might see as transparency might be seen by another as propaganda being spewed openly on the airwaves in an attempt to hide it in plain sight.

 

[beagle9]

Wrong. Ukrainians - Wikipedia Did you get an RT job? Because you sound like RT. The leading historian speaks out on this subject:

Historian Timothy Snyder: The Moscow empire´s Historical Myth ​

and :

Did you ignore what I said about it was all the Soviet Union once ? SO the people are probably seen throughout the region as Russian/Soviets of old in culture and in the modern age regardless of how the geography has changed or has been redrawn.

 

[Litwin]

Did you ignore what I said about it was all the Soviet Union once ? SO the people are probably seen throughout the region as Russian/Soviets of old in culture and in the modern age regardless of how the geography has changed or has been redrawn.

these kind of people ?

who have lived in the caves for 40 years ?

For all cavemen here: Ukrainians are an ancient, white European nation with ancient republican state traditions. Moscow imperialists are oriental, predatory, and as wild as the Mongols. Even Karl Marx knew it...

The origin of Moscovy lies in the bloody degradation of Mongolian slavery...
"semi-Asiatic" menace to "Europe" and "civilization ...
the Muscovites. They are not Slavs; they do not belong to the Indo-Germanic race at all, they are des intrus [intruders], who must be chased back across the Dnieper,

Karl Marx (1856–57/1873)​

Putin’s qazaliq — the campaigns in Chechnya, Moldova, Syria, Georgia, Ukraine, etc. — serve to legitimize his claimed Mongol right to rule for the Mongol - Moscow imperialists. Each of these violent expeditions functions not only as conquest but as a ritual of political validation, echoing the old steppe tradition where raids established authority. Successful qazaliq does more than secure territory; it provides ideological justification for the existence of the Moscow empire itself. This is especially powerful in regions of Afro‑Asia where democracy is weak or absent, allowing Moscow to present itself as a rightful imperial center, sustained by force and myth rather than consent.

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Jan 12, 2025

Aren't the red, or great, Russians descendants of the Mongols?

• Litwin