Russia will never be awarded Ukraine territory gained by Russia's invasion

[beagle9]

The video looks genuine as it was originally reported by RT. It's really frustrating for Russia to be unable to take all of Donbas, making only small gains. According TASS, Putin once again called for Ukrainian troops to withdraw from the Donbas region. But it's not gonna happen.

The gains are coming at a high cost to the Russians according to the videos watched on YouTube, otherwise as pertaining to the battlefield losses of men and equipment in these pushes, but then you'll see video's showing the Russians doing the same thing to Ukraine on the battlefield as well, otherwise in another run of video's watched on YouTube it shows the war from the Russian perspective (I guess), otherwise on their battlefield gains in Ukraine.

Heck no one truly knows by these video's watched, upon whose winning the battles from one video to the next or on either side of the lines when watching.

The new drone warfare along with it's constant education of it on both sides, is causing a constant confusion upon the scoreboard, otherwise when it comes to the numbers going in either direction being viewed, and therefore it leaves the viewer's scratching their head's upon who is gaining and who is not on either side's of the battle lines.

The war just needs to end, because it is ridiculous what modern day warfare is doing to men's lives going in either direction on the battlefield, otherwise when viewing these meat grinders being seen on both side's of the battle lines in these video's watched. It's truly a sickening thing to see in modern times, and as usual the lowly grunt is paying the ultimate price while the politician's sit in their ivory towers calling the shots.

 

[Deadstick]

The gains are coming at a high cost to the Russians according to the videos watched on YouTube, otherwise as pertaining to the battlefield losses of men and equipment in these pushes, but then you'll see video's showing the Russians doing the same thing to Ukraine on the battlefield as well, otherwise in another run of video's watched on YouTube it shows the war from the Russian perspective (I guess), otherwise on their battlefield gains in Ukraine.

Heck no one truly knows by these video's watched, upon whose winning the battles from one video to the next or on either side of the lines when watching.

The new drone warfare along with it's constant education of it on both sides, is causing a constant confusion upon the scoreboard, otherwise when it comes to the numbers going in either direction being viewed, and therefore it leaves the viewer's scratching their head's upon who is gaining and who is not on either side's of the battle lines.

The war just needs to end, because it is ridiculous what modern day warfare is doing to men's lives going in either direction on the battlefield, otherwise when viewing these meat grinders being seen on both side's of the battle lines in these video's watched. It's truly a sickening thing to see in modern times, and as usual the lowly grunt is paying the ultimate price while the politician's sit in their ivory towers calling the shots.

I don't think some people realize just how vast and difficult the front lines are, we are talking thousands of square miles and some towns and Cities are being fought for street by street like Mariupol was.

 

[Zavulon]

Kids, this is your brain on Russian propaganda.

Really? Do you want to say, that Canadians and Texans aren't Americans?

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quack like a duck, then it just may be a duck.

 

[Zavulon]

By your logic the UN blue hat people in a war zone would be on the side of the oppressors, and it's because the job calls for the blue hats to be neutral in order to keep from being killed by either side in the war zone. Now see how stupid you are ?? Of course you feel your side is right, so it's understood.

Post some pictures of Russians that the alledged Ukranians killed or bombed back in what say 2014 ???

War is hell, and that's why it just needs to stop.

There is one thing much more important than stopping a war. It is preventing of much more terrible war. You know, something like choosing between lesser evil and larger evil. If you don't choose lesser evil - the larger evil will come and have you.
And ressurection of nazism in Europe, expansion of NATO and genocide of Russian people is really larger evil (at least from our point of view). People who hired our dear friend Litwin (nothing personal) just shouldn't live.

 

[Zavulon]

Nobody was killing Russians just because they are Russian you dumb propaganda chugging dupe. If that was the case this would be something happening across entire Ukraine since there were/are plenty of ethnic Russians everywhere.

People were getting killed where RF separatists and RF Army showed up with guns and started putting RF flags on buildings.

And people started to putting Russian Flags on buildings for very simple reason - because the Junta started their discrimination.
The very first legal act of the Junta was cancel of the law about regional languages. The "policy of derussification", you know. Establish in the USA official policy of Den#ggerisation and delatinisation, including ban of any public usage of Spanish language and "Black music" (including Rap and Blues) and I can guarantee you - you'll have rebellion either.
Actually, American colonists started their Revolutionary war for much lesser significant reasons. Something about taxation, if I remember correctly.

 

[JWBooth]

Really? Do you want to say, that Canadians and Texans aren't Americans?

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quack like a duck, then it just may be a duck.

I do.

 

[Zavulon]

Dumbass, it's not a civil war when one side is fighting under foreign flag and annexing territories to that second country.

Confederacy had a different flag, hadn't it?
And every state in the USA has its own flag, as far as I know. If California had declared independence Wasington can accept it under certain circumstances. It is sovereign right of any state to recognise anyone's independence. But de facto California, even if not a part of the USA, is a part of America, like Canada and Mexico. But if the situation changed, like, you know, independent California started official policy of "deamericanisation" including ban of English language, murders of American activists, and attempts to join Latam Union and Shanghai Block - the USA won't have any alternative but military elimination of Californian sovereignity. And however you'll call it officially, "Special Military Operation" or "Unprovoked Illegal Agression", de facto it will be a Civil War.

World War II was not a "civil war" just because a million Vlasovites, aka "Russian Liberation Army" were fighting Soviets.

Actually, during Civil War in Russia, Russia was invaded by English, French and even American forces. And yes, many Vlasovites saw the war as continuation of the Civil war, but with other allies. So, the difference between civil wars and foreign aggressions is more or less arbitrary.

 

[Correll]

Confederacy had a different flag, hadn't it?
And every state in the USA has its own flag, as far as I know. If California had declared independence Wasington can accept it under certain circumstances. It is sovereign right of any state to recognise anyone's independence. But de facto California, even if not a part of the USA, is a part of America, like Canada and Mexico. But if the situation changed, like, you know, independent California started official policy of "deamericanisation" including ban of English language, murders of American activists, and attempts to join Latam Union and Shanghai Block - the USA won't have any alternative but military elimination of Californian sovereignity. And however you'll call it officially, "Special Military Operation" or "Unprovoked Illegal Agression", de facto it will be a Civil War.


Actually, during Civil War in Russia, Russia was invaded by English, French and even American forces. And yes, many Vlasovites saw the war as continuation of the Civil war, but with other allies. So, the difference between civil wars and foreign aggressions is more or less arbitrary.

Russia would have been in much better shape TODAY, if the Whites had won that war.

 

[Zavulon]

Russia would have been in much better shape TODAY, if the Whites had won that war.

Not necessarily. There is an quite popular opinion that Whites would make Russia a half-colony of England and France. Anyway they lost the war and so demonstrated their incompetence.

 

[Zavulon]

I do.
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Ok. Let's agree that the question of who are "Real Americans" is as vague as the question of who are "Real Russians".

 

[AntonToo]

Confederacy had a different flag, hadn't it?

It was Mexican flag, right?

 

[Litwin]

There is one thing much more important than stopping a war. It is preventing of much more terrible war. You know, something like choosing between lesser evil and larger evil. If you don't choose lesser evil - the larger evil will come and have you.
And ressurection of nazism in Europe, expansion of NATO and genocide of Russian people is really larger evil (at least from our point of view). People who hired our dear friend Litwin (nothing personal) just shouldn't live.

DREAM ON ivan, dream on

the reality :

Moscow ulus´s war record :-

1856 defeated by Britain and France

1905 defeated by Japan

1917 defeated by Germany

1920 defeated by Poland, Finland, Estonia and all Baltic states

1939 defeated by Finland

1969 defeated by China

1989 defeated by Afghanistan

1989 defeated in the Cold War.

1996 defeated by Chechnya

2022 defeated by Ukraine

2024 defeated in Syria

WW2 won USA/Britain , meanwhile Stalin's officers were shot or sent to the Gulags. Millions went to the Gulags, including fanatical ghazi imperialist Solzhenitsyn

Moscow's only victories come from invading smaller countries (under very favorable geopolitical conditions):-

a) Hungary 1956

b) Czechoslovakia 1968

c) Moldova 1992

d) Georgia 2008

 

[Zavulon]

It was Mexican flag, right?

Anti-ICE protesters in the USA wave Mexican flags.



As far as I understand it doesn't mean that they want to leave the USA and join Mexico, it means that they are protesting against something they consider wrong in the USA.

Use military force against them, and there will be a chance of military resistance (backed by Lat Am countries) or even invasion of regular Latin American Armies backed by Russian and China and all people of goodwill, united by love (as in song of popular Russian singer Natalia Oreiro).

 

[AlexanderPK]

The video looks genuine as it was originally reported by RT. It's really frustrating for Russia to be unable to take all of Donbas, making only small gains. According TASS, Putin once again called for Ukrainian troops to withdraw from the Donbas region. But it's not gonna happen.

Well, is it good or bad for those troops? You think it'll be better for them to be thrown out dead or not so much alive?
Putin is a kind man, if you haven't noticed.

 

[AntonToo]

Anti-ICE protesters in the USA wave Mexican flags.

wtf?...they weren't Mexican citizens armed and taking over government buildings, annexing American territory to Mexico.

But IF they were, then the war would be between Mexico and America. It would not be any sort of "civil war"

 

[Zavulon]

wtf?...they weren't Mexican citizens armed and taking over government buildings, annexing American territory to Mexico.

Weren't they? And were they Russian citizens in Ukraine? Few dozens of volunteers in a region with multimillion population can't change a thing. Most of civil wars has foreign beneficiars and has more or less concealed foreign influence.

But IF they were, then the war would be between Mexico and America. It would not be any sort of "civil war"

A war between the USA and California would be "de facto civil war" even if California formally declared independence, because Americans and Californians are, de facto, one people (as well as Russians and Ukrainians). And, by the way, exactly this had happen when Confederacy declared independence.

 

[AntonToo]

And were they Russian citizens in Ukraine?

Yes they were Russian Citizens, funded, heavily armed and directly assisted by Russian army troops. They spearheaded the armed separatism and they de-facto ran the separatist occupied regions.

Here is DNR's Minister of Defense - Russian ex-FSB Girkin (aka Strelkov)

Russia's Igor Strelkov: I Am Responsible for War in Eastern Ukraine

"If our unit hadn't crossed the border, everything would have fizzled out — like in [the Ukrainian city of] Kharkiv, like in Odessa," Strelkov, who uses that nom-de-guerre meaning "Shooter" to replace his last name Girkin, was quoted as saying.

"There would have been several dozen killed, burned, detained. And that would have been the end of it. But the flywheel of the war, which is continuing to this day, was spun by our unit. We mixed up all the cards on the table," he said.


Head of DNR? - A moscovite named Alexander Borodai who had exactly zero relationship to Donetsk when Kremlin de-facto installed him to run the place.

 

[AntonToo]

A war between the USA and California would be "de facto civil war" even if California formally declared independence, because Americans and Californians are, de facto, one people (as well as Russians and Ukrainians). And, by the way, exactly this had happen when Confederacy declared independence.

Dummy California separatists would not be putting another country's flags on their buildings if it was actually civil war.

This is not rocket science bub. You can do this.

 

[Zavulon]

Dummy California separatists would not be putting another country's flags on their buildings if it was actually civil war.

Why not?
Californians (some of them) already are waving Mexican flags. Other guys are putting Ukrainian, Palestinian and Israeli flags on their buildings as a demonstration of their political views. Anyway, there is nothing bad to be a sepatist or willing to reunite with other country by itself. That's what we call "the right of rebellion".

 

[Zavulon]

Yes they were Russian Citizens, funded, heavily armed and directly assisted by Russian army troops. They spearheaded the armed separatism and they de-facto ran the separatist occupied regions.

Here is DNR's Minister of Defense - Russian ex-FSB Girkin (aka Strelkov)

Russia's Igor Strelkov: I Am Responsible for War in Eastern Ukraine

"If our unit hadn't crossed the border, everything would have fizzled out — like in [the Ukrainian city of] Kharkiv, like in Odessa," Strelkov, who uses that nom-de-guerre meaning "Shooter" to replace his last name Girkin, was quoted as saying.

"There would have been several dozen killed, burned, detained. And that would have been the end of it. But the flywheel of the war, which is continuing to this day, was spun by our unit. We mixed up all the cards on the table," he said.


Head of DNR? - A moscovite named Alexander Borodai who had exactly zero relationship to Donetsk when Kremlin de-facto installed him to run the place.

He overestimated his importance. A little group of few dozens of barely armed men can't capture a region with 7 mln population without their support.
Or we can say, that American revolutionary war was fought and won exclusively by Fedor Karjavin and few other Russian guys. Few ships with weapons and few barrels of gold, of course, were useful, but they were not a gamechanger.