Russia will never be awarded Ukraine territory gained by Russia's invasion

[Zavulon]

The Russians you talk about ARE NOT CRIMEANS. They are Russian Federation military and paramilitary units that blocked Ukranian army, captured Crimean parlament and put Russian flags on it.

Crimeans never revolted.

Yep. Two thousand of Russian soldiers established instant mental control over more than 2 mln of Crimeans without even making a shot? It is not realistic even by DnD standards.

 

[Zavulon]

What about Mexicans that dominate southern parts of Texas?

I think you would suggest that they go to Mexico.

And may be, they'll go to Mexico, but they will take their land with them.

How about, suggesting these people go to Russia?

Yep. There was a nice book about such alternative history. "Russian Frintier" by Alexey Volkov. Soon after Napoleon war, in 1820s Spain sell Mexico (including Texas) to Russian Empire, and Russian Tzar send some Cossack regiments and cruisers to defend his new land from Mexican separatists, English speaking American colonists and pirates.
It's more about adventures and propaganda of Russian cultural and intellectual superiority over "evil and degenerative American scum and slave-owners", rather than serious geopolitical analysis, but it's funny.

 

[Zavulon]

I never approved the wars created by Hitler, Stalin nor Putin.

What about wars started by Obama, Bush, Clinton or Polk?

Russia is just starting to recover Stalin's world and of course civilized people have no intentions of putting up with his antics.

Russian world was built long before Stalin, and those "civilized people" are nothing but a bunch of agressive barbarians. They are barely human beings at all.

Europe will halt him though the USA seems to be ready to allow him to make war and keep his illegal gains.

Wow. If the USA says to Europe: "Do whatever you want to do, but we won't defend you if you are letting yourselves in troubles" - it is effective end of NATO. If the USA says to Europe: "Do whatever you want to do, and we'll defend you whatever troubles you make" - it is effective end of the USA.

Do not tell me America also waged war for illegal purposes since Iraq for one was immediately restored to self-government after we took out Saddam Hussein.

Of course you didn't. Part of the country was, de facto, given to Western corps, the rest of the country was given to Iran, Turkey, ISIS and Kurds.

 

[Deadstick]

Dummy, people that want to be autonomous do not put Russian flags on Ukranian gov buldings. Girkin himself explained that when his squad was taking over Donbass cities they were planning for Russia to come in and take over like they took over Crimea. But Kremlin was hesitant to escalate further, so separatists got stuck in no-man's-land, at least untill Putin decided to go all in.

But even if there was any truth to what you've just said, what you are describing is still CRIMINAL SEPERATISM.

No country would just let another part of it succeed unlawfuly.

America certianly didn't let the slavery loving South succeed and in Russian Federation's case there was a huge bloodbath when Chechens wanted to independence, and unlike made up LNR/DNR, Chechens are ethnicly distict people and therefore had a claim to their own country under UN conventions.

The bottom line is those people in Donbass never voted for the Coup in Kiev, and why would people want tobe part of a illegal State that was killing them? you are talking bollocks! Russia tolerated the situation for 8 years which was criminal in my view they should have gone in as soon as the Ukrainian army and airforce started bombing those people in Donbass, all the fighting has been in Donbass, that should tell you something the violence was bought to Donbass by the Kiev Regime, there was a civil war you fool what about that don't you get? that went on for 8 years before any Russian intervention.
You need to stop lying about what happened in places like Mariupol, this was May 9th 2014 just weeks after the Coup and Poroschenko sending the army and Azov thugs to attack Mariupol which became Azov HQ until it was liberated, they murdered civilians and the police.

 

[Ringo]

Europe plans to teach Putin a hell of a good lesson.

Don't rip your pants trying.

 

[Deadstick]

Don't rip your pants trying.

Coalition of the seven dwarfs

 

[Deadstick]

The Russians you talk about ARE NOT CRIMEANS. They are Russian Federation military and paramilitary units that blocked Ukranian army, captured Crimean parlament and put Russian flags on it.

Crimeans never revolted.

No they voted, voted out of Bandera Ukraine.

 

[JWBooth]

Europe plans to teach Putin a hell of a good lesson.

The notion of that collection of yapping chihuahuas teaching anybody anything is ludicrous at best.

 

[JoeB131]

Hey smart man, you tell us your own answers. BTW glad you agree with Anton since I do as well.

I don't agree with him on this issue. (We are probably in agreement on most other issues.) I admit, this is one of those issues I disagree with most liberals with, and kind of agree with Trump on (If Trump can ever state a consistent policy/goal).

NO there was nothing so oppressive going on that they couldn't advance their interests within lawful political process.

NO this idiotic separatism lead to wholesale demoliton of Donbass. What was once of the most modern, richest areas in Ukraine that even hosted World Soccer Cup became third world craphole.

Luhask and Donetsk areas (aka LNR/DNR) saw their poplation cut in HALF from 2014 to 2022.

The key thing is that the lawful political process went out the Window when the Maidan revolution overthrew Yanukovych.

The Russians you talk about ARE NOT CRIMEANS. They are Russian Federation military and paramilitary units that blocked Ukranian army, captured Crimean parlament and put Russian flags on it.

And they met absolutely no resistance from the people who lived there. None.

 

[beagle9]

NO there was nothing so oppressive going on that they couldn't advance their interests within lawful political process.

NO this idiotic separatism lead to wholesale demoliton of Donbass. What was once of the most modern, richest areas in Ukraine that even hosted World Soccer Cup became third world craphole.

Luhask and Donetsk areas (aka LNR/DNR) saw their poplation cut in HALF from 2014 to 2022.

I notice that you have an accent that is evident in your writing. Are you from Ukraine or in Ukraine ?

Who are we in the west to ascertain what had happened in Ukraine between it's populations there, and to do so in a neutral non-biased way ? Do we in the west truly understand everything that eventually caused Putin to react in such a way ?

Our problem in America is that we have two parties in our government that truly despise and hate each other. So we had 77 million voter's come out against the Democrat party basically condemning them for everything they did, and for what they were involved in doing, and it also included for what it was doing within Ukraine and beyond at the time.

Now we see a huge corruption scandal unraveling in Ukraine that might indicate that it was true when they said Ukraine is a highly corrupt place, and unfortunately we had a president and his son that was allegedly tangled up in that place in shady dealings as well.

Then there is the Epstien scandal that actually ensnared dignitaries across the globe who were caught up in that mess.

Right now we have Trump as our president, and he is adamantly against the Democrats for everything that they were involved in, and for everything that they allowed on their watch.

His working in a peace negotiating neutral way to stop the war in Ukraine is an honorable thing, and this regardless of the demonicrats that are trying to save face for what they were doing or causing in it all.

Beware of all the propaganda people, and focus on the entire history and culture that has led up to this tragic war. It is a war that has devastated a country, killed millions, and it's all due to rotten politics, corruption, and pride in allegedly hiding the truth.

 

[Ringo]

No they voted, voted out of Bandera Ukraine.

I repeat, it would be interesting to see how jews in Brooklyn would react if neo-nazis and KKK seized power in New York through an armed coup and declared Hitler an honorary citizen and the swastika the city's coat of arms.
I think that would be enough to set Brooklyn ablaze, even without crying for “Hang the jews!”

 

[Deadstick]

I repeat, it would be interesting to see how jews in Brooklyn would react if neo-nazis and KKK seized power in New York through an armed coup and declared Hitler an honorary citizen and the swastika the city's coat of arms.
I think that would be enough to set Brooklyn ablaze, even without crying for “Hang the jews!”

Good analogy, they know they are wrong and that makes it worse.

 

[Deadstick]

I notice that you have an accent that is evident in your writing. Are you from Ukraine or in Ukraine ?

Who are we in the west to ascertain what had happened in Ukraine between it's populations there, and to do so in a neutral non-biased way ? Do we in the west truly understand everything that eventually caused Putin to react in such a way ?

Our problem in America is that we have two parties in our government that truly despise and hate each other. So we had 77 million voter's come out against the Democrat party basically condemning them for everything they did, and for what they were involved in doing, and it also included for what it was doing within Ukraine and beyond at the time.

Now we see a huge corruption scandal unraveling in Ukraine that might indicate that it was true when they said Ukraine is a highly corrupt place, and unfortunately we had a president and his son that was allegedly tangled up in that place in shady dealings as well.

Then there is the Epstien scandal that actually ensnared dignitaries across the globe who were caught up in that mess.

Right now we have Trump as our president, and he is adamantly against the Democrats for everything that they were involved in, and for everything that they allowed on their watch.

His working in a peace negotiating neutral way to stop the war in Ukraine is an honorable thing, and this regardless of the demonicrats that are trying to save face for what they were doing or causing in it all.

Beware of all the propaganda people, and focus on the entire history and culture that has led up to this tragic war. It is a war that has devastated a country, killed millions, and it's all due to rotten politics, corruption, and pride in allegedly hiding the truth.

The Plonker claims to be Russian born, his family name must be Vlasov.

 

[Litwin]

saved this video for TheHague , bitches you will pay for it

 

[Ringo]

 

[Robert W]

The key thing is that the lawful political process went out the Window when the Maidan revolution overthrew Yanukovych.

He was impeached. Reminds me of when Democrats tried to overthrow Trump.
FACTS
Viktor Yanukovych (born July 9, 1950, Yenakiyeve, Ukraine, U.S.S.R. [now in Ukraine]) is a Ukrainian politician who served as prime minister (2002–05, 2006–07) and president (2010–14) of Ukraine. Yanukovych’s political base disintegrated in February 2014 after Ukrainian security forces opened fire on protesters in Kyiv, killing scores and wounding hundreds. On February 22, 2014, he was impeached by Ukraine’s parliament and fled to Russia ahead of a raft of criminal charges.

 

[Robert W]

The notion of that collection of yapping chihuahuas teaching anybody anything is ludicrous at best.

Just tell me. How many of you Putin fans post here?

 

[beagle9]

saved this video for TheHague , bitches you will pay for it

No one says that the people of Ukraine are the problem, just as well as no one claims that the civilians of Russia are the problem, only that war is hell regardless of what side is dishing it out from their government level perspectives. The thing that started the war is what will be historically debated and studied for year's to come.

I pray for peace for both countries citizens, because war is a bravado thing that once unleashed turns into pride that is almost impossible to stop until one side or the other prevails or is somehow convinced to stop. It is assured that if Putin were to withdraw his troops from Ukraine that the war would end, but it's gone so far beyond that point that Russia sees it as a far reaching consequence for Russia if he were to gain nothing after so much death and destruction has since occured.

The peace plan will hopefully prevail.

 

[Robert W]

No one says that the people of Ukraine are the problem, just as well as no one claims that the civilians of Russia are the problem, only that war is hell regardless of what side is dishing it out from their government level perspectives. The thing that started the war is what will be historically debated and studied for year's to come.

I pray for peace for both countries citizens, because war is a bravado thing that once unleashed turns into pride that is almost impossible to stop until one side or the other prevails or is somehow convinced to stop. It is assured that if Putin were to withdraw his troops from Ukraine that the war would end, but it's gone so far beyond that point that Russia sees it as a far reaching consequence for Russia if he were to gain nothing after so much death and destruction has since occured.

The peace plan will hopefully prevail.

The Trump plan failed on arrival. Europe will solve this.

 

[Ringo]

On February 22, 2014, he was impeached by Ukraine’s parliament and fled to Russia ahead of a raft of criminal charges.