Russia Spent A Fortune Shilling For Trump – And May Not Have Broken Any Laws

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U.S. election laws never contemplated a foreign power inventing fake news and spreading it on the internet to influence an election.

WASHINGTON – When Russian leader Vladimir Putin meddled in key Rust Belt states to help Donald Trump become president, he also may have exposed an election law loophole big enough to drive busloads of Macedonian internet trolls through.

Fabricated claims about Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton’s poor health, impending indictment, even involvement in a pizza-parlor based pedophilia ring that were then amplified and recirculated by Kremlin-paid hackers may have helped Trump win critical states like Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

But it’s not clear that paying for the creation or dissemination of such “fake news” violates election law, campaign finance experts said.

“Getting at what Russia did, but establishing that they broke the law in some way, is not as easy as looks like from some distance,” said Paul Ryan, head of policy and litigation at Common Cause. “We’re kind of in a new world here. This is the first time in the United States where fake news was deployed and used effectively.”

Investigators from congressional intelligence committees and the office of Special Counsel Robert Mueller are looking into Russian interference in the election and possible links to the Trump campaign. Had Trump’s data operation shared information with the Russians or asked them for help targeting voters, that coordination would be enough to expose both the campaign and the Russians to election law charges.

The Trump campaign, and subsequently the Trump White House, have for a year denied collusion with the Russians ― a claim that fell apart this week when Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., released an email showing he was eager for negative information about Clinton, even if it was part of the Russian government’s efforts to help his father.

“This is ridiculous. It’s nuts,” said Richard Painter, who was the George W. Bush White House chief ethics lawyer. He pointed to Trump’s public call last year for Russia to find Clinton’s emails deleted from her private server. “He basically encouraged criminal activity, told a foreign government to engage in computer hacking. People voted for him anyway.”

Spending even a single dollar on any type of ad telling voters to support Trump or oppose Clinton would have been illegal for Russia, as foreign entities are prohibited from participating in federal elections.

But the invention of false news and posting or reposting it on websites without paying advertising fees – that is not explicitly outlawed.

More: Russia Spent A Fortune Shilling For Trump – And May Not Have Broken Any Laws

Scary loophole. Thankfully we have an extremely competent special counsel like Robert Mueller on the case to sort this mess out.
 
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I repeat from the OP:

Spending even a single dollar on any type of ad telling voters to support Trump or oppose Clinton would have been illegal for Russia, as foreign entities are prohibited from participating in federal elections.

But the invention of false news and posting or reposting it on websites without paying advertising fees – that is not explicitly outlawed.
 
I repeat from the OP:

Fabricated claims about Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton’s poor health, impending indictment, even involvement in a pizza-parlor based pedophilia ring that were then amplified and recirculated by Kremlin-paid hackers may have helped Trump win critical states like Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

But it’s not clear that paying for the creation or dissemination of such “fake news” violates election law, campaign finance experts said.
 
I repeat from the OP:

Spending even a single dollar on any type of ad telling voters to support Trump or oppose Clinton would have been illegal for Russia, as foreign entities are prohibited from participating in federal elections.

But the invention of false news and posting or reposting it on websites without paying advertising fees – that is not explicitly outlawed.
What does a purchase of a dossier from Russian intelligence tell you about the Democrat party?
 
U.S. election laws never contemplated a foreign power inventing fake news and spreading it on the internet to influence an election.

WASHINGTON – When Russian leader Vladimir Putin meddled in key Rust Belt states to help Donald Trump become president, he also may have exposed an election law loophole big enough to drive busloads of Macedonian internet trolls through.

Fabricated claims about Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton’s poor health, impending indictment, even involvement in a pizza-parlor based pedophilia ring that were then amplified and recirculated by Kremlin-paid hackers may have helped Trump win critical states like Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

But it’s not clear that paying for the creation or dissemination of such “fake news” violates election law, campaign finance experts said.

“Getting at what Russia did, but establishing that they broke the law in some way, is not as easy as looks like from some distance,” said Paul Ryan, head of policy and litigation at Common Cause. “We’re kind of in a new world here. This is the first time in the United States where fake news was deployed and used effectively.”

Investigators from congressional intelligence committees and the office of Special Counsel Robert Mueller are looking into Russian interference in the election and possible links to the Trump campaign. Had Trump’s data operation shared information with the Russians or asked them for help targeting voters, that coordination would be enough to expose both the campaign and the Russians to election law charges.

The Trump campaign, and subsequently the Trump White House, have for a year denied collusion with the Russians ― a claim that fell apart this week when Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., released an email showing he was eager for negative information about Clinton, even if it was part of the Russian government’s efforts to help his father.

“This is ridiculous. It’s nuts,” said Richard Painter, who was the George W. Bush White House chief ethics lawyer. He pointed to Trump’s public call last year for Russia to find Clinton’s emails deleted from her private server. “He basically encouraged criminal activity, told a foreign government to engage in computer hacking. People voted for him anyway.”

Spending even a single dollar on any type of ad telling voters to support Trump or oppose Clinton would have been illegal for Russia, as foreign entities are prohibited from participating in federal elections.

But the invention of false news and posting or reposting it on websites without paying advertising fees – that is not explicitly outlawed.

More: Russia Spent A Fortune Shilling For Trump – And May Not Have Broken Any
Scary loophole. Thankfully we have an extremely competent special counsel like Robert Mueller on the case to sort this mess out.
Trump was elected the old fashion way without any violations to the Constitution And without any voting machines being manipulated by foreign governments, mainly Russia. Former FBI Director Comey testified to that fact.
 
I repeat from the OP:

Spending even a single dollar on any type of ad telling voters to support Trump or oppose Clinton would have been illegal for Russia, as foreign entities are prohibited from participating in federal elections.

But the invention of false news and posting or reposting it on websites without paying advertising fees – that is not explicitly outlawed.
What does a purchase of a dossier from Russian intelligence tell you about the Democrat party?

Nothing! Anyway, do you have any credible proof it was purchased by the "Democrat party"? BTW, the UK is not a hostile foreign government.
 
U.S. election laws never contemplated a foreign power inventing fake news and spreading it on the internet to influence an election.

WASHINGTON – When Russian leader Vladimir Putin meddled in key Rust Belt states to help Donald Trump become president, he also may have exposed an election law loophole big enough to drive busloads of Macedonian internet trolls through.

Fabricated claims about Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton’s poor health, impending indictment, even involvement in a pizza-parlor based pedophilia ring that were then amplified and recirculated by Kremlin-paid hackers may have helped Trump win critical states like Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

But it’s not clear that paying for the creation or dissemination of such “fake news” violates election law, campaign finance experts said.

“Getting at what Russia did, but establishing that they broke the law in some way, is not as easy as looks like from some distance,” said Paul Ryan, head of policy and litigation at Common Cause. “We’re kind of in a new world here. This is the first time in the United States where fake news was deployed and used effectively.”

Investigators from congressional intelligence committees and the office of Special Counsel Robert Mueller are looking into Russian interference in the election and possible links to the Trump campaign. Had Trump’s data operation shared information with the Russians or asked them for help targeting voters, that coordination would be enough to expose both the campaign and the Russians to election law charges.

The Trump campaign, and subsequently the Trump White House, have for a year denied collusion with the Russians ― a claim that fell apart this week when Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., released an email showing he was eager for negative information about Clinton, even if it was part of the Russian government’s efforts to help his father.

“This is ridiculous. It’s nuts,” said Richard Painter, who was the George W. Bush White House chief ethics lawyer. He pointed to Trump’s public call last year for Russia to find Clinton’s emails deleted from her private server. “He basically encouraged criminal activity, told a foreign government to engage in computer hacking. People voted for him anyway.”

Spending even a single dollar on any type of ad telling voters to support Trump or oppose Clinton would have been illegal for Russia, as foreign entities are prohibited from participating in federal elections.

But the invention of false news and posting or reposting it on websites without paying advertising fees – that is not explicitly outlawed.

More: Russia Spent A Fortune Shilling For Trump – And May Not Have Broken Any
Scary loophole. Thankfully we have an extremely competent special counsel like Robert Mueller on the case to sort this mess out.
Trump was elected the old fashion way without any violations to the Constitution And without any voting machines being manipulated by foreign governments, mainly Russia. Former FBI Director Comey testified to that fact.

Funny. No one ever said any voting machines were manipulated by Russia - but Russia sure as hell influenced voters with its fake news propaganda campaign against Hillary.
 
I repeat from the OP:

Spending even a single dollar on any type of ad telling voters to support Trump or oppose Clinton would have been illegal for Russia, as foreign entities are prohibited from participating in federal elections.

But the invention of false news and posting or reposting it on websites without paying advertising fees – that is not explicitly outlawed.
What does a purchase of a dossier from Russian intelligence tell you about the Democrat party?

Nothing! Anyway, do you have any credible proof it was purchased by the "Democrat party"? BTW, the UK is not a hostile foreign government.
So you say.
 
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U.S. election laws never contemplated a foreign power inventing fake news and spreading it on the internet to influence an election.

WASHINGTON – When Russian leader Vladimir Putin meddled in key Rust Belt states to help Donald Trump become president, he also may have exposed an election law loophole big enough to drive busloads of Macedonian internet trolls through.

Fabricated claims about Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton’s poor health, impending indictment, even involvement in a pizza-parlor based pedophilia ring that were then amplified and recirculated by Kremlin-paid hackers may have helped Trump win critical states like Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

But it’s not clear that paying for the creation or dissemination of such “fake news” violates election law, campaign finance experts said.

“Getting at what Russia did, but establishing that they broke the law in some way, is not as easy as looks like from some distance,” said Paul Ryan, head of policy and litigation at Common Cause. “We’re kind of in a new world here. This is the first time in the United States where fake news was deployed and used effectively.”

Investigators from congressional intelligence committees and the office of Special Counsel Robert Mueller are looking into Russian interference in the election and possible links to the Trump campaign. Had Trump’s data operation shared information with the Russians or asked them for help targeting voters, that coordination would be enough to expose both the campaign and the Russians to election law charges.

The Trump campaign, and subsequently the Trump White House, have for a year denied collusion with the Russians ― a claim that fell apart this week when Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., released an email showing he was eager for negative information about Clinton, even if it was part of the Russian government’s efforts to help his father.

“This is ridiculous. It’s nuts,” said Richard Painter, who was the George W. Bush White House chief ethics lawyer. He pointed to Trump’s public call last year for Russia to find Clinton’s emails deleted from her private server. “He basically encouraged criminal activity, told a foreign government to engage in computer hacking. People voted for him anyway.”

Spending even a single dollar on any type of ad telling voters to support Trump or oppose Clinton would have been illegal for Russia, as foreign entities are prohibited from participating in federal elections.

But the invention of false news and posting or reposting it on websites without paying advertising fees – that is not explicitly outlawed.

More: Russia Spent A Fortune Shilling For Trump – And May Not Have Broken Any Laws

Scary loophole. Thankfully we have an extremely competent special counsel like Robert Mueller on the case to sort this mess out.
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U.S. election laws never contemplated a foreign power inventing fake news and spreading it on the internet to influence an election.

WASHINGTON – When Russian leader Vladimir Putin meddled in key Rust Belt states to help Donald Trump become president, he also may have exposed an election law loophole big enough to drive busloads of Macedonian internet trolls through.

Fabricated claims about Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton’s poor health, impending indictment, even involvement in a pizza-parlor based pedophilia ring that were then amplified and recirculated by Kremlin-paid hackers may have helped Trump win critical states like Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

But it’s not clear that paying for the creation or dissemination of such “fake news” violates election law, campaign finance experts said.

“Getting at what Russia did, but establishing that they broke the law in some way, is not as easy as looks like from some distance,” said Paul Ryan, head of policy and litigation at Common Cause. “We’re kind of in a new world here. This is the first time in the United States where fake news was deployed and used effectively.”

Investigators from congressional intelligence committees and the office of Special Counsel Robert Mueller are looking into Russian interference in the election and possible links to the Trump campaign. Had Trump’s data operation shared information with the Russians or asked them for help targeting voters, that coordination would be enough to expose both the campaign and the Russians to election law charges.

The Trump campaign, and subsequently the Trump White House, have for a year denied collusion with the Russians ― a claim that fell apart this week when Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., released an email showing he was eager for negative information about Clinton, even if it was part of the Russian government’s efforts to help his father.

“This is ridiculous. It’s nuts,” said Richard Painter, who was the George W. Bush White House chief ethics lawyer. He pointed to Trump’s public call last year for Russia to find Clinton’s emails deleted from her private server. “He basically encouraged criminal activity, told a foreign government to engage in computer hacking. People voted for him anyway.”

Spending even a single dollar on any type of ad telling voters to support Trump or oppose Clinton would have been illegal for Russia, as foreign entities are prohibited from participating in federal elections.

But the invention of false news and posting or reposting it on websites without paying advertising fees – that is not explicitly outlawed.

More: Russia Spent A Fortune Shilling For Trump – And May Not Have Broken Any Laws

Scary loophole. Thankfully we have an extremely competent special counsel like Robert Mueller on the case to sort this mess out.

Well, she was demanding from congress for billions of dollars budget because she believed that the U.S. was losing the war on information. And all of this was before Pres. Trump announced that he is running for the presidency. But Hillary Clinton must of have came up with the billions of dollars from somewhere.



State Dept. misplaced $6B under Hillary Clinton: IG report State Department Misplaced $6B Under Hillary Clinton
 
I repeat from the OP:

Spending even a single dollar on any type of ad telling voters to support Trump or oppose Clinton would have been illegal for Russia, as foreign entities are prohibited from participating in federal elections.

But the invention of false news and posting or reposting it on websites without paying advertising fees – that is not explicitly outlawed.
The news wasn't false. We got their leaked emails. Or did you forget those existed?
 
I repeat from the OP:

Spending even a single dollar on any type of ad telling voters to support Trump or oppose Clinton would have been illegal for Russia, as foreign entities are prohibited from participating in federal elections.

But the invention of false news and posting or reposting it on websites without paying advertising fees – that is not explicitly outlawed.
The news wasn't false. We got their leaked emails. Or did you forget those existed?

Putin and his bots weaponized the Hillary/DNC emails into fake news. Imagine if Putin has hacked into the RNC and Trump's emails and then weaponized them into fake news. Actually, I expect just the raw RNC/Trump emails would have been damaging enough without weaponizing them into fake news.
 
“We’re kind of in a new world here. This is the first time in the United States where fake news was deployed and used effectively.”
Oh yeah, slandering your opponent
is definitely sailing unchartered waters!

Please...give blood....ALL of it!
 
I repeat from the OP:

Spending even a single dollar on any type of ad telling voters to support Trump or oppose Clinton would have been illegal for Russia, as foreign entities are prohibited from participating in federal elections.

But the invention of false news and posting or reposting it on websites without paying advertising fees – that is not explicitly outlawed.
The news wasn't false. We got their leaked emails. Or did you forget those existed?

Putin and his bots weaponized the Hillary/DNC emails into fake news. Imagine if Putin has hacked into the RNC and Trump's emails and then weaponized them into fake news. Actually, I expect just the raw RNC/Trump emails would have been damaging enough without weaponizing them into fake news.
There's nothing fake about the emails. Furthermore, there is no evidence that Russia hacked the emails.
 
U.S. election laws never contemplated a foreign power inventing fake news and spreading it on the internet to influence an election.

WASHINGTON – When Russian leader Vladimir Putin meddled in key Rust Belt states to help Donald Trump become president, he also may have exposed an election law loophole big enough to drive busloads of Macedonian internet trolls through.

Fabricated claims about Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton’s poor health, impending indictment, even involvement in a pizza-parlor based pedophilia ring that were then amplified and recirculated by Kremlin-paid hackers may have helped Trump win critical states like Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

But it’s not clear that paying for the creation or dissemination of such “fake news” violates election law, campaign finance experts said.

“Getting at what Russia did, but establishing that they broke the law in some way, is not as easy as looks like from some distance,” said Paul Ryan, head of policy and litigation at Common Cause. “We’re kind of in a new world here. This is the first time in the United States where fake news was deployed and used effectively.”

Investigators from congressional intelligence committees and the office of Special Counsel Robert Mueller are looking into Russian interference in the election and possible links to the Trump campaign. Had Trump’s data operation shared information with the Russians or asked them for help targeting voters, that coordination would be enough to expose both the campaign and the Russians to election law charges.

The Trump campaign, and subsequently the Trump White House, have for a year denied collusion with the Russians ― a claim that fell apart this week when Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., released an email showing he was eager for negative information about Clinton, even if it was part of the Russian government’s efforts to help his father.

“This is ridiculous. It’s nuts,” said Richard Painter, who was the George W. Bush White House chief ethics lawyer. He pointed to Trump’s public call last year for Russia to find Clinton’s emails deleted from her private server. “He basically encouraged criminal activity, told a foreign government to engage in computer hacking. People voted for him anyway.”

Spending even a single dollar on any type of ad telling voters to support Trump or oppose Clinton would have been illegal for Russia, as foreign entities are prohibited from participating in federal elections.

But the invention of false news and posting or reposting it on websites without paying advertising fees – that is not explicitly outlawed.

More: Russia Spent A Fortune Shilling For Trump – And May Not Have Broken Any Laws

Scary loophole. Thankfully we have an extremely competent special counsel like Robert Mueller on the case to sort this mess out.

Difficult to enforce laws that have no jurisdiction over a sovereign nation. You can only seek payback for such activities, such as aggressively hacking Russia.

What is far more clear to me, is the financial backing provided to the Clinton Foundation. This should be repeated on every network, every day. There certainly must be laws protecting America from foreign government big money impacting your candidates chances of success.
 

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