Russia honors its heroes, Ukraine honors war criminals

[Stratford57]

Let’s see who’s considered to be a hero in Russia and who is a hero of Ukraine. I think the following collection of facts will give you a clue about who are the Russians and who are the Ukrainians.

A 25 year old from Orenburg, Aleksandr Prokhorenko, has been revealed as the serviceman, dubbed ‘Russian Rambo’ by international media, who died a hero. He called a strike on himself while surrounded by Islamic State during a battle near Palmyra. Friends say Aleksandr’s parents fear his wife will lose the baby.

25yo father-to-be revealed as ‘Russian Rambo’ who died fighting ISIS in Palmyra

And meanwhile in Ukraine:

A Russian court lately convicted a Ukrainian pilot in connection with the murder of two Russian journalists and several civilians. Nadezhda Savchenko was found guilty of complicity to murder for revealing the deceased's coordinates in eastern Ukraine near a checkpoint in July 2014, Russian state media agency TASS reported. They died after being hit by shells fired by Ukrainian military forces who are battling Russian-backed separatists.
Russian court convicts Ukraine pilot | Myinforms

Minute 0.45 of the video below: Savchenko gives a finger to the judge:


Savchenko has become a national hero for many in Ukraine who see her as a symbol of anti-Kremlin defiance.She is a symbol of our nation, she is a symbol of an unbroken Ukraine, a symbol of an independent Ukraine.
Kiev: Protesters demand release of Nadezhda Savchenko on trial in Russia

Now compare the facts above with the facts from WW2, sounds like not too much has changed in Ukraine since that. While Soviet soldiers were giving up their lives liberating their Motherland from German Nazis, [Western] Ukrainian nationalists were fighting Red army on the Nazi’s side, killing civilians a lot more appallingly than even German Nazis. My grandfather was fighting those nationalists in Western Ukraine for 10 more years after WW2 was over (you’ll never find anything about it in any textbooks: the Soviets didn’t want Ukrainians to look bad!!!) and he has told a lot of stories about their appalling murders of civilians. (However Chicago and Toronto did not hesitate to give shelter to aspiring remnants of their troops and to save their criminal lives.)

The massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia were part of anethnic cleansing operation carried out in Nazi German-occupied Poland by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA)'s beginning in March 1943 and lasting until the end of 1944.

The killings were directly linked with the policies of theBandera faction of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists and its military arm, the Ukrainian Insurgent Army. Massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The incoming Ukrainian president will have to turn some attention to history, because the outgoing one has just made a hero of a long-dead Ukrainian fascist.
A Fascist Hero in Democratic Kiev

Now let’s see who Western Media calls “Hitler”? Those would be first Putin and now Trump. Not Ukrainian nationalists and war criminals, not at all…

 

[DarkFury]

Putin and Trump would make a great team on the international stage. There would not be a patch of ground on earth where islam could hide.

 

[Stratford57]

Putin and Trump would make a great team on the international stage. There would not be a patch of ground on earth where islam could hide.

I wouldn't generalize about all Islam, but certainly Islamic radicals and terrorists have to be taken care of before too late. So far, Hussein has been successfully creating international terrorism (ME, Ukraine) and Putin had to come and to clean up his mess. Hopefully, Ukraine is next in the line after Syria.

BTW, Russia is a perfect example of the country, where the people of different confessions (Christians, Muslims, Jews, many others) coexist peacefully for ages. (Chechnian war was inspirited and sponsored from abroad, however Putin has found a good solution how to end it.)

 

[Igrok_]

Putin and Trump would make a great team on the international stage. There would not be a patch of ground on earth where islam could hide.

have a little doubt about capabilities of US president in changing the country's course.

 

[irosie91]

Let’s see who’s considered to be a hero in Russia and who is a hero of Ukraine. I think the following collection of facts will give you a clue about who are the Russians and who are the Ukrainians.

A 25 year old from Orenburg, Aleksandr Prokhorenko, has been revealed as the serviceman, dubbed ‘Russian Rambo’ by international media, who died a hero. He called a strike on himself while surrounded by Islamic State during a battle near Palmyra. Friends say Aleksandr’s parents fear his wife will lose the baby.
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25yo father-to-be revealed as ‘Russian Rambo’ who died fighting ISIS in Palmyra

And meanwhile in Ukraine:

A Russian court lately convicted a Ukrainian pilot in connection with the murder of two Russian journalists and several civilians. Nadezhda Savchenko was found guilty of complicity to murder for revealing the deceased's coordinates in eastern Ukraine near a checkpoint in July 2014, Russian state media agency TASS reported. They died after being hit by shells fired by Ukrainian military forces who are battling Russian-backed separatists.
Russian court convicts Ukraine pilot | Myinforms

Minute 0.45 of the video below: Savchenko gives a finger to the judge:


Savchenko has become a national hero for many in Ukraine who see her as a symbol of anti-Kremlin defiance.She is a symbol of our nation, she is a symbol of an unbroken Ukraine, a symbol of an independent Ukraine.
Kiev: Protesters demand release of Nadezhda Savchenko on trial in Russia

Now compare the facts above with the facts from WW2, sounds like not too much has changed in Ukraine since that. While Soviet soldiers were giving up their lives liberating their Motherland from German Nazis, [Western] Ukrainian nationalists were fighting Red army on the Nazi’s side, killing civilians a lot more appallingly than even German Nazis. My grandfather was fighting those nationalists in Western Ukraine for 10 more years after WW2 was over (you’ll never find anything about it in any textbooks: the Soviets didn’t want Ukrainians to look bad!!!) and he has told a lot of stories about their appalling murders of civilians. (However Chicago and Toronto did not hesitate to give shelter to aspiring remnants of their troops and to save their criminal lives.)

The massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia were part of anethnic cleansing operation carried out in Nazi German-occupied Poland by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA)'s beginning in March 1943 and lasting until the end of 1944.

The killings were directly linked with the policies of theBandera faction of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists and its military arm, the Ukrainian Insurgent Army. Massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The incoming Ukrainian president will have to turn some attention to history, because the outgoing one has just made a hero of a long-dead Ukrainian fascist.
A Fascist Hero in Democratic Kiev

Now let’s see who Western Media calls “Hitler”? Those would be first Putin and now Trump. Not Ukrainian nationalists and war criminals, not at all…

SO? you are right------most people do not know that UKRANIANS despise
Russians SO? -------lots of people are ignorant about lots of realities of history
In fact the famously barbaric COSSACKS-----were---UKRANIANS

 

[DarkFury]

Putin and Trump would make a great team on the international stage. There would not be a patch of ground on earth where islam could hide.

I wouldn't generalize about all Islam, but Islamic radicals and terrorists for sure. So far, Hussein has been successfully creating international terrorism (ME, Ukraine) and Putin had to come and to clean up his mess. Hopefully, Ukraine is next in the line.

Taking Palmyra was key to holding the south of that country.

Palmyra is a huge win but you need to take that river. That river is a highway of guns into that area.

As you can see from the map most of the terrorists are coming from the north via Turkey but most of the guns are coming up the river from Iran. Now the Syrians have done a good job slowly closing off terrorist fighters paths from the north.

Palmyra was needed to build a buffer to protect Damascus. But you still have the gun flow problem from the southeast. You need to take that at the very least at the town of Deir ez-Zue.

So the Russians will need armed riverboats on the river to prevent gun flow while Syrian/Russian troops block terrorists to the north out of Turkey.

Does this all tie to the Ukraine? Yup, Carter/Clinton and Obama flooded that area with terrorists TRYING to prevent Russian war ships from protecting the western border of Syria by the sea. You are going to need at least three destroyers there plus back up.

Had the Carter/Clinton/Obama plan worked the Russians would have been to busy defending their southern naval base from rocket and mortar fire to protect the M/S.

 

[Stratford57]

Putin and Trump would make a great team on the international stage. There would not be a patch of ground on earth where islam could hide.

have a little doubt about capabilities of US president in changing the country's course.

Looks like the American establishment thinks he might, that's why they are so scared of him and trash him in the Media so much. Basically, same things they used to do about Putin, now they are doing about Trump. And looks like the sponsors of their propaganda are the same: Soros is one of them for sure.

 

[DarkFury]

They NEED to take and hold Bosra and then draw a line northeast to At-Tanf. That is critical to the southeast border. Then direct to the river and then Dier ez-Zur to Hassake.

Palmyra was key because it IS the center of the largest hole to all of eastern Syria.

 

[irosie91]

Putin and Trump would make a great team on the international stage. There would not be a patch of ground on earth where islam could hide.

ok----even broken clocks are ACCURATE twice per day. I do believe that Trump is worried about unchecked hordes of muslim migrants-----BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE that he harbors the kind of animosity that Putin harbors against muslims or the kind of animosity that tens of millions of muslims harbor against "KAFFIRIN"

 

[Stratford57]

2014: Ukraine is West's little darling;
2015: West gives Ukraine some money but hints about reforms and fighting their corruption;
2016: West is just about to tell Ukraine: go live on your own.

Forbes: Busted Fantasies In Kiev: America And Europe Won't Save Ukrainian Maiden In Distress

Many Ukrainians expect America and Europe to save them. Suggest that they are living a fantasy gets you tarred as a blatant fool and Russian stooge. Yet Ukraine shouldn’t waste time posing as a fairy tale maiden in distress waiting for rescue by the Western knight in shining armor. Kiev risks ending up as a failed state.

Obviously life isn’t fair. But no one gains from pretending otherwise. The West and Ukraine both need to make policies based on reality, not fantasy.

America and Europe don’t have much at stake in Ukraine.It’s an unpleasant truth which sets off much screeching in Kiev, but that makes it no less true.

The U.S. has even less interest in the region. Other than Ukrainian expatriates who believe the sun rises and sets in Kiev and ideological Neoconservatives who believe Washington should war against any power that resists America’s dictates, few Americans even think about Ukraine.

Neither America nor Europe is prepared to impose serious sanctions designed to break the Russian economy. Neither America nor Europe is prepared to risk war with Russia. The West will not retrieve Crimea, suppress Donbas separatists, guarantee Ukraine’s territorial integrity, or even bail out the latter’s economy. Which means Kiev is effectively on its own.

Busted Fantasies In Kiev: America And Europe Won't Save Ukrainian Maiden In Distress

 

[Sbiker]

Putin and Trump would make a great team on the international stage. There would not be a patch of ground on earth where islam could hide.

Sounds good, Angel's eyes!

 

[Stratford57]

Well, after his visit to Washington Poroshenko got insane or disappointed or both. Not "Russian aggression" made him mad this time, according to him NY Times declared a "hybrid war"against Ukraine:

In response to a New York Times editorial criticizing Ukraine's "unyielding corruption,"President Petro Poroshenkosaid that spreading such damaging information was part of the hybrid war against Ukraine.
Poroshenko calls New York Times editorial part of 'hybrid war' against Ukraine (UPDATE)

The original NY Times article said the following:

In these circumstances Mr. Poroshenko seems to have accepted continuing corruption as the price to pay for modicum of maneuvering room. But the president, the prime minister and the parliament must me made to understand that the International Monitory Fund and the donor nations, like United States, can’t continue to shovel money into a corrupt swamp unless the government starts shaping the democratic rule that Ukrainians demanded in their protests.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/01/opinion/ukraines-unyielding-corruption.html?_r=0

 

[Stratford57]

The majority of Dutch people voted against proposed association agreement between the EU and Kiev in the Netherlands on April, 6th. One of the reasons for that decision was that Ukrainian propaganda was way too annoying and Soros was sponsoring the “Yes” side of the referendum. Hopefully, it will be another big nail into a coffin of ugly "Ukrainian democracy".

Voters in the Netherlands have rejected in a referendum an EU partnership deal to remove trade barriers with Ukraine.
Netherlands rejects EU-Ukraine partnership deal - BBC News

“During Maidan, we had two European politicians who got involved and said ‘we are going to be helping Ukraine,’ but what happened? Actually things got worse in Ukraine. A war started because of their involvement. I think that’s very concerning,” said activist Daniel Klop.
“There is no trade between the Netherlands and Ukraine. The Ukrainian people are very poor so they can’t buy our tulips or our cheese,” Roos explained. “But I want the best for the Ukrainian people and I want them to live in peace. There is a war going on there, which was caused by this association agreement.” ’ It is a very bad idea to have an association treaty with the most corrupt country in Europe – Ukraine,” he added.
‘Won’t help ordinary Ukrainians’: Dutch suspect EU/Kiev deal more for power players than people

The Ukrainian opposition said that the results of the referendum represent disappointment with the Ukrainian government.
“This is like a cold shower for the Ukrainian politicians who believe that loud shouting and wild hopping is more important than efficient work,”Aleksander Vilkul, a leader of the Opposition Bloc Party, said.“This is an assessment to those who think that no one will notice excessive corruption.”
“The most important lesson that can be learnt from this referendum is that the European Union has lost its appeal to the common people. [It has shown that] it is not possible to mobilize [people] for a referendum, for a democratic event that has been organized by the EU and is closely connected to the EU. This shows that there is a democratic deficit in Europe, in the Netherlands,” assistant professor of European studies at Amsterdam University Laszlo Maracz told RT, adding that “it will have repercussions and probably an impact on the Brexit vote in June in Great Britain, and consequences for future projects of the European Union.”
61% of Dutch voters say no to ratifying EU-Ukraine deal – preliminary results

Hungarian-American billionaire George Soros is donating €200,000 to the Yes side in the Dutch referendum on the EU-Ukraine association agreement, through his Open Society Foundation, Dutch broadcaster NOS reported Friday. Voters will express their opinion about the deal in a non-binding vote on 6 April.
Soros funds Dutch Yes campaign in Ukraine vote

 

[Maggdy]

The majority of Dutch people voted against proposed association agreement between the EU and Kiev in the Netherlands on April, 6th. One of the reasons for that decision was that Ukrainian propaganda was way too annoying and Soros was sponsoring the “Yes” side of the referendum. Hopefully, it will be another big nail into a coffin of ugly "Ukrainian democracy".

Voters in the Netherlands have rejected in a referendum an EU partnership deal to remove trade barriers with Ukraine.
Netherlands rejects EU-Ukraine partnership deal - BBC News

“During Maidan, we had two European politicians who got involved and said ‘we are going to be helping Ukraine,’ but what happened? Actually things got worse in Ukraine. A war started because of their involvement. I think that’s very concerning,” said activist Daniel Klop.
“There is no trade between the Netherlands and Ukraine. The Ukrainian people are very poor so they can’t buy our tulips or our cheese,” Roos explained. “But I want the best for the Ukrainian people and I want them to live in peace. There is a war going on there, which was caused by this association agreement.” ’ It is a very bad idea to have an association treaty with the most corrupt country in Europe – Ukraine,” he added.
‘Won’t help ordinary Ukrainians’: Dutch suspect EU/Kiev deal more for power players than people

The Ukrainian opposition said that the results of the referendum represent disappointment with the Ukrainian government.
“This is like a cold shower for the Ukrainian politicians who believe that loud shouting and wild hopping is more important than efficient work,”Aleksander Vilkul, a leader of the Opposition Bloc Party, said.“This is an assessment to those who think that no one will notice excessive corruption.”
“The most important lesson that can be learnt from this referendum is that the European Union has lost its appeal to the common people. [It has shown that] it is not possible to mobilize [people] for a referendum, for a democratic event that has been organized by the EU and is closely connected to the EU. This shows that there is a democratic deficit in Europe, in the Netherlands,” assistant professor of European studies at Amsterdam University Laszlo Maracz told RT, adding that “it will have repercussions and probably an impact on the Brexit vote in June in Great Britain, and consequences for future projects of the European Union.”
61% of Dutch voters say no to ratifying EU-Ukraine deal – preliminary results

Hungarian-American billionaire George Soros is donating €200,000 to the Yes side in the Dutch referendum on the EU-Ukraine association agreement, through his Open Society Foundation, Dutch broadcaster NOS reported Friday. Voters will express their opinion about the deal in a non-binding vote on 6 April.
Soros funds Dutch Yes campaign in Ukraine vote

You're distorting the truth for your own good?

This is also part of the story and with this together it is other the overall picture:

" Turnout was low, 32.2%, but above the 30% threshold for the vote to be valid."

" The result creates a headache for the Dutch government, as the Dutch parliament approved the EU association agreement with Ukraine last year. All the other 27 EU member states have already ratified the deal."

"The referendum was ostensibly about Ukraine - but the No campaigners weren't concerned with the intricacies of the trade deal. Two-thirds of the electorate didn't cast their ballot, so some argue the result cannot be taken as a true reflection of anti-EU sentiment."

Netherlands rejects EU-Ukraine partnership deal - BBC News

 

[Stratford57]

Many Dutch people voted against Ukraine due to the recent controversy with stolen paintings:

A hoard of stolen Dutch golden age paintings is being offered for sale by an ultra-nationalist militia in Ukraine, according to the museum from which the works vanished a decade ago.

The Westfries Museumin Hoorn, 50km north of Amsterdam, said on Monday it suspected members of the Ukrainian state security service, SBU, the far-right Svoboda (Freedom) party, and “art criminals with contacts ... at the highest political level” might also be involved in the attempt to sell the canvases.
Stolen Dutch art found in Ukraine 'risks being sold illegally': museum
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Protests in Ukraine come in many shapes and forms, from the gruesome to the downright bizarre. One of the latter sort was staged in Kiev this week, when a populist right-wing politician brought three live cows to the government to defend the country’s agriculture.

On Friday, pitchfork in hand, Oleg Lyashko, a law maker, brought three live cows to the Ukrainian cabinet building in the capital. The government in Kiev is on the brink of collapse after the dissolution of the parliamentary ruling coalition, and Lyashko is currently angling for the PM’s job.

Dairy and meat producers lost access to the Russian market when Kiev sought to cut all economic ties with Moscow, and could not compensate the losses elsewhere because the EU quotas for Ukrainian goods turned out to be extremely low. Farmers have also been forced to endure a shortage of credit, rising fuel prices and the abolition of government subsidies, which is a requirement of foreign creditors for future loans to Kiev.

Lyashko kisses the cow ^

Milking it: Ukrainian populist right-wing politician brings cows to picket government (VIDEO)

 

[Moonglow]

Putin and Trump would make a great team on the international stage. There would not be a patch of ground on earth where islam could hide.

What an unimaginable load..

 

[Stratford57]

Gilbert Doctorow: I think the timing of Yatsenyuk’s resignation has to be linked to what occurred this past week, that is to say the Dutch referendum. This raised a feeling of crisis within the Ukrainian political elite and made his departure, which has been hanging in the air for the last two months, something essential so they would have a sacrificial lamb and appear before the Europeans, in particular, and the IMF, as well, to be making some progress in putting their house in order.

The Dutch referendum was taken rather indifferently in Western Europe. It was said to be just an advisory opinion. However, in Kiev, they understood very well that there were two elements of this that were very disturbing. The first, the obvious one, is the outcome of the vote. The second was perhaps worse for them – what preceded the vote. What their friends were saying about Ukraine. I have in particular the statements made by the European Commission President [Jean-Claude] Juncker and by Mark Rutte, the Prime Minister of the Netherlands.

Both of them were saying essentially: “Don’t be afraid, citizens of Holland, Ukraine is not going to join the EU any time soon, in fact probably not in the next 20 or 30 years,” which in political terms is saying ‘never!’ Now that very damning statement, that expression of utter contempt for Ukraine by the senior leaders of the EU, was perhaps more damaging for the self-image of the Ukrainian leadership than anything that happened on the 6th of April.

There was a contest for power and influence between Yatsenyuk and Poroshenko, and Poroshenko has won that, however that is only one side of the equation. These were two people on the same side of the dispute vying for power. The other side of Ukrainian politics hasn’t changed at all. And that is the war party, and that is the Pravy Sektor (the Right Sector.) Mr. Poroshenko’s ability to bring order - and that includes economic order to Ukraine - has been highly limited by the power of the radical nationalists and their war party. In a period of war it is unlikely that any serious reforms could be implemented in Ukraine.

Also the precondition for a normalization of Ukraine’s relations with Europe, the implementation of the Minsk II accords, are something that Poroshenko and Yatsenyuk together were totally unable to deliver because of the opposition of the Right Sector and other extreme nationalists. That hasn’t changed.

Poroshenko & Yatsenyuk failing Ukraine over radical Right Sector nationalists