thssm.23.08.29
#10,639
I also don’t agree with complete bans. I think there should be exceptions, for rape, incest and the health of the mother.
Why do you Saint-Me have standing to file a complaint against Jane Roe’s health choices who is if no relationship to you and who is a law abiding citizen who causes you no harm nor does she interfere whatsoever in your liberty when she decides to stop gestating a fetus at about the ninth week of her unwanted pregnancy.
It begs the question, if it is not about her morality living up to your utter most perfect and socially acceptable
but not Christian morality then what is it?
thssm.23.08.29
#10,639
I agree, the federal government is not the arbiter of morality, and I’m not arguing from a point of morals.
thssm.23.07.26
#10,562
did the evangelicals influence the scotus decisions?
Absolutely! Originally white and black evangelicals supported RvW. Only some extremist Catholic intellectuals opposed it from the start.
Then politics and billions of rightwing religious dollars became involved and active for the purpose of trashing godless liberals who were destroying the Christian Nation that was founded by white European Christians under the direction of the one and only God as he tells in the Holy Bible that Thomas Jefferson cut out all the diamonds from the book he equated with a dung hill. Filthy rational theist that he was.
nf.20.01.15
#78 Jefferson was most comfortable with
Deism,
rational religion, and
Unitarianism.
[3] He was sympathetic to and in general agreement with the moral precepts of Christianity.
[4] He considered the teachings of Jesus as having "the most sublime and benevolent code of morals which has ever been offered to man,"
[5] yet he held that the pure teachings of Jesus appeared to have been appropriated by some of Jesus' early followers, resulting in a Bible that contained both "diamonds" of wisdom and the "dung" of ancient political agendas.
[6].
Religious views of Thomas Jefferson - Wikipedia
In many respects abortion was an unlikely choice, because when the Roe v Wade decision was issued, most Protestant Republicans supported it. The Southern Baptist Convention passed resolutions in 1971 and 1974 expressing support for the liberalization of abortion law, and an
editorial in their wire service hailed the passage of Roe v Wade, declaring that “
religious liberty, human equality and justice are advanced by the Supreme Court abortion decision.”
As governor of California, Ronald Reagan passed the most liberal abortion law in the country in 1967.
Conservative icon Barry Goldwater supported abortion law liberalization too, at least early in his career, and his wife Peggy was a cofounder of Planned Parenthood in Arizona.
Yet abortion turned out to be the critical unifying issue for two fundamentally political reasons.
How the Christian right took over the judiciary and changed America
Leaders of the movement understood very well that if you can capture the courts, you can change society
Sat 25 Jun 2022
First, it brought together conservative Catholics who supplied much of the intellectual leadership of the movement with conservative Protestants and evangelicals.
Second, by tying abortion to the perceived social ills of the age – the sexual revolution, the civil rights movement, and women’s liberation – the issue became a focal point for the anxieties about social change welling up from the base.
Over time, pro-choice voices were purged from the Republican party. In her 2016 book, How the Republican Party Became Pro-Life, Phyllis Schlafly details the considerable effort it took, over several decades, to force the Republican party to change its views on the issue. What her book and the history shows is that the “pro-life religion” that we see today, which cuts across denominational boundaries on the political right, is a modern creation.
Jerry Falwell speaks at Higher Ground Baptist church in Kingsport, Tennessee, in 1984. Photograph: Getty Images
In recent decades,
the religious right has invested many hundreds of millions of dollars developing a complex and coordinated infrastructure, whose features include rightwing policy groups, networking organizations,
data initiatives and media. A critical component of this infrastructure is its sophisticated legal sphere.
Movement leaders understood very well that if you can capture the courts, you can change society. Leading organizations include the Alliance Defending Freedom, which is involved in many of the recent cases intended to degrade the principle of church-state separation; First Liberty; Becket, formerly known as the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty; and the Federalist Society, a networking and support organization for rightwing jurists and their allies whose leader, Leonard Leo, has directed hundreds of millions of dollars to a network of affiliated organizations. This infrastructure has created a pipeline to funnel ideologues to important judicial positions at the national and federal level.
Nearly 90% of Trump’s appellate court nominees were or are Federalist Society members,
according to Senator Sheldon Whitehouse, and all six conservative justices on the supreme court are current or former members.
Everything Trump is relevant to the Saving Baby Fetus in the Christian American nation versus the true religious freedom that our non-Christian Constitution guarantees which include bodily autonomy for women whether they are pregnant or not.
You favor taking it away with the Evangelicals backing you up / I oppose you on the grounds very simply that it is none of your business what a woman does with her own body for the security of her life liberty health and the pursuit of her happiness.
If you believe none of the above to be correct. Please advise with a high degree of reality-based specificity. Thank You.
NF.23.07.30
#10,640
