Roe v. Wade getting overturned!!

[CarsomyrPlusSix]

NFBW: Actually all fifty states are now voter determinant on the question of when ‘valuable’ human life begins. Is a pregnant woman biologically reproducing a ‘valuable’ human life from the instant of fertilization per CarsomyrPlusSix and the religious right or when her body and the new potential being

I despise your hatemongering bigotry here.

“Potential being.” You are despicable. They are human beings. They can be no other species, you acknowledged this already, and yet you say “potential being.”

I believe in human rights and equality.

You believe in hate and discrimination. You believe in the legality of killing those you deem inferior for your petty and arbitrary reasons.

Fuck you and anyone rotten like you who tries to play these games of deeming some humans “valuable” and others subhuman and marked for killing.

It’s the same game as slavers and genociders.

 

[ClaireH]

NFBW: it is universal and indisputable fact that the life that begins at fertilization is not viable until about 24 weeks after fertilization based upon survivability outside the womb.

It is an indisputable fact that there is no way a state government can guarantee that every woman faced with an unplanned pregnancy will not suffer harm if she carries it to term.

So what gives the state the authority to keep a woman from preventing harm to her body by getting an abortion prior to the time that a fetus can be considered viable to live outside of the womb?





All that and still no response to the following question

Your main intention on this thread is to play word games and to distract, including repetitive statements about what Graham stated and pretending that his bill statement is representative of all conservatives. I gave you evidence of what McConnell said about Graham’s support for the bill- he rejected it fully yet that doesn’t seem to be acceptable to you as legitimate evidence? Use better judgment to allow for all facts not just your own narrowed interpretation of a subset of the facts.

Your regurgitated talking points have been taken down one by one by several posters, including me. You can continue of course to pretend to not know that your argument has been defeated. When you read someone’s counter response, you only see what you want to see and ignore the information that has defeated your own argument. You are severely myopic, get your eyes checked.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

It is an indisputable fact that there is no way a state government can guarantee that every woman faced with an unplanned pregnancy will not suffer harm if she carries it to term.

So what gives the state the authority to keep a woman from preventing harm to her body by getting an abortion prior to the time that a fetus can be considered viable to live outside of the womb?

Your main intention on this thread is to play word games and to distract,

Actually I am asking questions that I don’t see being asked a lot of conservatives. That’s all. When they don’t answer I like to figure out and understand why.

So what gives the state the authority to keep a woman from preventing harm to her body by getting an abortion prior to the time that a fetus can be considered viable to live outside of the womb?

 

[ClaireH]

I despise your hatemongering bigotry here.

“Potential being.” You are despicable. They are human beings. They can be no other species, you acknowledged this already, and yet you say “potential being.”

I believe in human rights and equality.

You believe in hate and discrimination. You believe in the legality of killing those you deem inferior for your petty and arbitrary reasons.

Fuck you and anyone rotten like you who tries to play these games of deeming some humans “valuable” and others subhuman and marked for killing.

It’s the same game as slavers and genociders.

I’m under the impression NFBW is expressing suppressed guilt about considering aborting their second child. Unless, oh no…I’m not even going to postulate another possibility in case I’m wrong. So, assuming my first conclusion is correct, there likely is a bit of turmoil every time he looks into his child’s face and thinks about how close he or she was to not even being born. It’s understandable that
he’s trying to rationalize that a baby isn’t really a baby until it can live on its own outside of the womb, which as you know is beyond delivery point for most of us, but he ignored that fact when I asked him about it- shocker!

This circular thinker going nowhere has tested my patience, way more so than facilitating a class of middle school students! Lol

Thanks for your information by the way about details I didn’t know regarding the development of a baby!

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Your regurgitated talking points have been taken down one by one by several posters, including me.

No one has taken down this point

NFBW: it is universal and indisputable fact that the life that begins at fertilization is not viable until about 24 weeks after fertilization based upon survivability outside the womb.​

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The fundamental basis for Roe v Wade being viability, @Carsonomy and ding do not defeat my arguments by declaring viability irrelevant. That is absurd, And you are not the referee in this discussion .

 

[NotfooledbyW]

I’m under the impression NFBW is expressing suppressed guilt about considering aborting their second child.

You are a liar - I never considered aborting our second child, My decision to get a vasectomy was based on preventing my wife from getting pregnant again because She and I would never consider aborting a not viable potential human being unless advised by a doctor it was necessary to do so.

Why do you have time to lie but no time to answer questions?

Do you accept it is universal and indisputable fact that the life that begins at fertilization is not viable until about 24 weeks after fertilization based upon survivability outside the womb.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

every time he looks into his child’s face

My second child’s face is strongly pro-choice as is my first. She gave me a granddaughter and a grandson they live in Texas. My Daughter is a medical professional and my 17 year old grandaughter just came to the DC area to attend a premed planning conference
at the University of Maryland. Afterward I got to spend a couple days with her. I never brought up politics - but she did. It was after Dobbs -She hates ABBOTT Her first words were WTF on Dobbs we talked all politics after that - the future of America is in the best of hands with young pro-choice pro-freedom Americans like her.

 

[ClaireH]

You are a liar - I never considered aborting our second child, My decision to get a vasectomy was based on preventing my wife from getting pregnant again because She and I would never consider aborting a not viable potential human being unless advised by a doctor it was necessary to do so.

Why do you have time to lie but no time to answer questions?

Do you accept it is universal and indisputable fact that the life that begins at fertilization is not viable until about 24 weeks after fertilization based upon survivability outside the womb.

Heads up: your “viability goal post” at 24 weeks needs to moved for factual basis alone, to include all babies having their lungs cleared following delivery or they they suffocate. Plus, you’re wrong- see below.

Ah! As you were regurgitating I am at fault for not checking your repetitive timeframe of 24 weeks. 22 weeks. I advise that if you’re going to stick on something you might check to see if it’s actually a valid statement. Technology will continue to improve and I will say the likelihood that it will be moved to 20 weeks will be an eventuality. We continue to have significant improvement over prenatal care: natural nutrients and vitamins focusing on mental development enhancing the development of the baby.

Babies born at 22 weeks 'can now survive'

Guidance says improvements in care mean extremely premature babies now have a better survival chance.

www.bbc.com

I am sorry I stated something that wasn’t true about your personal history. I did so from missing your comment about having a vasectomy. A liar? I am not. Lying would have required knowledge that what I said was false and that was not the case, so maybe you should apologize in that respect

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Heads up: your “viability goal post” at 24 weeks needs to moved for factual basis alone, to include all babies having their lungs cleared following delivery or they they suffocate. Plus, you’re wrong- see below.

Any newborn that doctors believe are developed sufficient to survive to a reasonable healthy life are viable. It’s the doc’s call. .It is not the religious right white Trump voters in Mississippi who should make the call that a fetus has more rights than it’s mother until it reaches viability.

 

[ClaireH]

Any newborn that doctors believe are developed sufficient to survive to a reasonable healthy life are viable. It’s the doc’s call. .It is not the religious right white Trump voters in Mississippi who should make the call that a fetus has more rights that it’s mother until it reaches viability.

True state rights supporters recognize that their party might not always call the shots. Your focus on “religious right white Trump voters” in Mississippi, well that’s kind of a given considering the demographics right? People have the right to move if they don’t like what’s happening and they cannot change what’s happening in their state. Many things can be changed statewide, but requires a majority of support along with a lot of time spent, contacts made, and persistence in order to get anything accomplished. I’m a huge states rights supporter, and your posts read like you might be more along the lines of a biased states rights supporter

 

[NotfooledbyW]

I believe abortion is a human rights issue. Religion doesn't enter into it.

NFBW: I believe it is a human rights issue too. It is human rights for the pregnant woman (First Person) for the first 24 weeks. There is no (second person) prior to viability to recieve individual human rights when the second person cannot survive if removed from the womb of the first person / pregnant woman.

ClaireH220722-#3,807 “If the baby and pregnant mother were to actually share the same life, they could never be separated.”

The second person shares the same brain heart and lungs of the mother keeping it alive while developing the capability to be separated from the mother. It’s how human reproductive biology works. What you write ClaireH is quite absurd. END2209181946

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Religion Of Secular Humanism Raving Mad Authoritarian Anthropocentric Socialists Communists "

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Heads up: your “viability goal post” at 24 weeks needs to moved for factual basis alone, to include all babies having their lungs cleared following delivery or they they suffocate. Plus, you’re wrong- see below.

Ah! As you were regurgitating I am at fault for not checking your repetitive timeframe of 24 weeks. 22 weeks. I advise that if you’re going to stick on something you might check to see if it’s actually a valid statement. Technology will continue to improve and I will say the likelihood that it will be moved to 20 weeks will be an eventuality. We continue to have significant improvement over prenatal care: natural nutrients and vitamins focusing on mental development enhancing the development of the baby.

A live birth is required for equal protection with a citizen and natural viability in roe versus wade - cast aside by imbeciles - was judicial activism setting a compromise whereby abortions without cause could be proscribed by a state in third trimester .

A 24 weeks time line is for sufficient time to disposition congenital anomalies with the fetus , while abortion beyond natural viability is expected for urgent incidents .

A 24 weeks time line is a median approximation to avoid financial obligations for anomalies , even if private organizations intend to fund the neonatal care and or extensive expenses from anomalies .

 

[NotfooledbyW]

True state rights supporters recognize that their party might not always call the shots.

Nfbw: That is why it is so absurd to have some states deny reproductive rights to women based on the Christian voter political machinery that is run by mostly white conservative religious people END2209190045

 

[beagle9]

Any newborn that doctors believe are developed sufficient to survive to a reasonable healthy life are viable. It’s the doc’s call. .It is not the religious right white Trump voters in Mississippi who should make the call that a fetus has more rights than it’s mother until it reaches viability.

Oh so now you are going all racist on us eh ? Figures..

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Oh so now you are going all racist on us eh ? Figures..

NFBW: I didn’t go to racism. You did.

Any newborn that doctors believe are developed sufficient to survive to a reasonable healthy life are viable. It’s the doc’s call. .It is not the religious right white Trump voters in Mississippi who should make the call that a fetus has more rights than it’s mother until it reaches viability.

NFBW: It is a fact that the religious right white Trump voters in Mississippi were the constituency pushing SCOTUS to end 50 years reproductive rights for women in that thar red religious Trump state and all the other ones except Kansas. Why when white religious Christian Trump voters get their way with Trump’s white Catholic packed Supreme Court that became an extension of the GOP Legislature in 2021 that you think the problem from that political activated court causes is also racist. Very interesting concern coming from you beagle9 I will look into it. END2209190709

 

[CarsomyrPlusSix]

Oh so now you are going all racist on us eh ? Figures..

He is a vile hatemonger with the mentality of a slaver or a Nazi, so it figures.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Your focus on “religious right white Trump voters” in Mississippi, well that’s kind of a given considering the demographics right?

NFBW: The absurd political religious right drive to extend full human and US citizen rights immediately at fertilization to the one cell zygote while it is still in a Fallopian tube and about 24 weeks from full viability, factually has been the primary focus and function of the American religious right white Trump voters in Mississippi and elsewhere in similarly populated states.

He is a vile hatemonger with the mentality of a slaver or a Nazi, so it figures.

NFBW: And that is the typical argument one gets for posting fact against white religious right fiction and absurdities on this message board. CarsomyrPlusSix has never refuted or taken down anything I say. His contribution to this discussion is limited to vile and bitter character assassination as seen above. simply the truth END2209190757

 

[CarsomyrPlusSix]

. CarsomyrPlusSix has never refuted or taken down anything I say.

Please refrain from lying.

No refutation? You have nothing, not a single statement of substance or argument that I haven’t left in smoldering ashes.

All you do now - all you have left - is that you just keep stammering the same already debunked lies or totally irrelevant non-sequiturs, over and over.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

A liar? I am not. Lying would have required knowledge that what I said was false

As I understand the art of lying, if you state something that you have no way of knowing if it is true or not specifically as an act of aggression against another, it is a lie. And the person doing it is a liar.

You stated as if it was a fact that I had considered aborting my second child. There is no way you could have knowledge of that unless I stated it here or somewhere else where you could cite it.

 

[CarsomyrPlusSix]

As I understand the art of lying, if you state something that you have no way of knowing if it is true or not specifically as an act of aggression against another, it is a lie.

Aggression?

You support aggressive violence against innocent human beings who you view as subhuman and lacking their own life - you claim they are part of their mother’s life, at complete odds with scientific reality here on planet Earth.

And of course that doesn’t go far enough as a description, this isn’t mere assault or robbery or rape, this is homicide, you support them being killed because you hate them for their arbitrary factor of not having enough surfactant.

There are Klansmen who are less hateful than you.