Rightwingers really need to stop comparing the summer riots to the Jan 6th insurrection and here is why

[NotfooledbyW]

Correll wrote: When I admit that what occurred on 1/6 was a riot, I am accepting that there were people there, very angry and willing to do violence. 22JAN16-POST#840

NFBW wrote: Stewart Rhodes was not a rioter. He was in Virginia on Jan6. He is one of you gun toting traditional Americans charged with seditious conspiracy to attack members of Congress to stop the transfer of power to the candidate for President that I voted for. The Biden win was certified by all fifty states on December 14. I don’t own a gun and I am not a member of a well regulated militia. So how is the Second Amendment supposed to protect me from violent fascists like Rhodes who decided on his own that Biden cannot be President.

I don’t care if Rhodes was angry. I realize you don’t want to talk about Stewart Rhode’s seditious conspiracy to overthrow the incoming government through violence because you and he are both traditional Americans. I fully understand what you were doing and why. - - - This criminal (below) did not conspire to attack the US CAPITOL to subvert democracy,

LEFTY RIOTER - during the CHAUVIN protest on May30 Martin J. Engelhart looted stores, and took part in a beating

22JAN16-POST#841

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Correll wrote: 2. The election was marred by widespread and massive propaganda by the media, , widespread civil unrest supported by the dems, and widespread and massive relaxations of election procedures. 22JAN15-POST#825

NFBW wrote: You are exactly right Correll there was no election fraud in 2020 that could change the results. DJT lies when he says he won Arizona Michigan Pennsylvania Georgia Wisconsin And Nevada. Biden won. That is reality. And Correll has accepted that reality because he cannot say the election was stolen or that he has seen evidence of fraud in Arizona Michigan Pennsylvania Georgia Wisconsin and Nevada which makes it clear that Trump won each and every one of them. 22JAN17-POST#842

 

[Correll]

Correll wrote: When I admit that what occurred on 1/6 was a riot, I am accepting that there were people there, very angry and willing to do violence. 22JAN16-POST#840

NFBW wrote: Stewart Rhodes was not a rioter. He was in Virginia on Jan6. .....

And the left set up autonomous zones and attacked fed buildings and a courthouse and burned down a police station. Those specific lefty rioters, the hundreds, if not THOUSANDS of them, are, by the strict letter of the law, could be considered in violation of the laws that you have been talking about with the 1/6 rioters.


EVERYTIME you talk shit about how bad Stewart was/is, you are just rehashing the shit we said, when we agreed that 1/6 was a riot.

You are a moron talking about how water is wet, and thinking you are being clever.

That is what RIOT means.

 

[Correll]

Correll wrote: 2. The election was marred by widespread and massive propaganda by the media, , widespread civil unrest supported by the dems, and widespread and massive relaxations of election procedures. 22JAN15-POST#825

NFBW wrote: You are exactly right Correll there was no election fraud in 2020 ....

You up for going back to the old rules, for the next presidential election? Since the Pandemic will be over by then?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Correll wrote: If you are so intent on their intent, their intent was to "stop the bogus transfer of power to Biden, because it was a fixed election". 22JAN02 POST#1026

NFBW wrote: As a cultural Christian and traditional American yourself Correll, do you agree with accused conspirator and seditionist Stewart Rhodes that some group of people ‘fixed’ the election? You have stated the election wss unfair to your pathetic sore loser but not ‘fixed’. You wrote these exact words on that issue:

Correll wrote: The election was marred by widespread and massive propaganda by the media, widespread civil unrest supported by the dems, and widespread and massive relaxations of election procedures. 22JAN15-POST#825​

NONE of that qualifies as election fraud or some hidden back room agenda to fix the election by illegally switching real ballots with fake ones with bamboo fibers in the paper or something like that. - - - So do you agree Correll with accused conspirator and seditionist Stewart Rhodes that some group of people ‘fixed’ the election? 22JAN17-POST#

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Correll wrote: You up for going back to the old rules, for the next presidential election? Since the Pandemic will be over by then? 22JAN17-POST#844

NFBW wrote: Absolutely not. ThIs shit for brains sore loser pissing and moaning: . . .

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Correll wrote: The election was marred by widespread and massive propaganda by the media, widespread civil unrest supported by the dems, and widespread and massive relaxations of election procedures. 22JAN15-POST#825​

. . . had nothing to do with defeating DJT. (1) Higher TURNOUT TO vote is not only legal in our System it shouid be the desire of both sides. We need to increase turnout not stifle it. AND (2) All is fair and legal game in an election even new rules Toughen up snowflake., (3) Plus you are a liar when you add “widespread civil unrest supported by the dems” to your pathetic right wing pissing and moaning. Can you guarantee cops won’t murder anybody on camera during a presidential campaign. (4) The problem we had this cycle is the incumbent lost in a landslide, in a high turnout election and losing the popular vote by seven million as well but refused to concede. Then he plotted to overturn the election he lost leading up to the massive civil unrest by his misled supporters on Jan6. (5) And to this day over a year has gone by and your fascist in Chief has not exposed one tiny bit of evidence that the election was rigged by anybody against him. He has only found more votes for Biden. (6) Trump has become an enemy of the Constitution. And some of his supporters in that anti/social anti-constitution belief, have become anti-democracy terrorists. Stewart Rhodes Cones to mind.

Therefore my answer to your question Correll is no. A resounding NO. We should not negotiate with terrorists even when they claim to be traditional Americans or Christians or whatever. 22JAN17-POST#846

 

[NotfooledbyW]

burned down a police station. T

NFBW wrote: YOUR Whataboutism defense of traditional Americans gone insane for DJT has been dead in the water before you made it Correll 22JAN17-POST#847

(1) 21OCT01-boogaloo “”” Ivan Harrison Hunter, 24, a member of an extremist group that seeks to spark a civil war, pleaded guilty to a single count of rioting this Thursday, Minnesota Public Radio reports.

Prosecutors contend that Hunter travelled from Texas to Minneapolis to sow chaos after George Floyd was killed by police.

'Boogaloo Boi' who impersonated Black Lives Matter supporter and shot up police station pleads guilty

"Prosecutors say Hunter came to Minneapolis in the days following Floyd's murder after corresponding on Facebook with Michael Solomon of New Brighton, Minn., and Benjamin Teeter of Hampstead, N.C. The men had been part of the 'Boogaloo Bois,' a group that exploits tensions to further violence," MPR reports. "According to the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), the group presents itself as libertarian and race-blind and calls for armed insurrection against what they see as government tyranny. But the [Southern Poverty Law Center] says the Boogaloo Bois' origins are violently racist. The group emerged online early in the last decade, and 'boogaloo' was associated with a call for a race war. The term is often used by white nationalists and those seeking to generate chaos."

Hunter admitted that he fired 13 rounds from an assault rifle into the 3rd precinct police station on May 28, 2020, as other rioters looted and set fire to the building after police evacuated. No one was hurt by the gunfire.

As the Daily Beast notes, Hunter posed as a supporter of the Black Lives Matter movement and was caught on security footage yelling, "Justice for Floyd!" after opening fire on the building.

If convicted, Hunter faces a maximum prison term of five years. 21OCT01-boogaloo



(2) The lawsuit claims posts cited in the filing led 17-year-old Kyle Rittenhouse, who is named as a defendant in the suit, to show up armed in Kenosha.

Lawsuit claims Boogaloo Facebook page promoted misinformation that may have led to Kenosha protest deaths

The filing says Rittenhouse, "under the tactical supervision" of defendant Ryan Balch, an "avowed member of the Boogaloo Bois," then "shot and killed two protestors with his assault rifle." 21OCT05-BBOIS-RBalch Kenosha Rittenhouse agents provocateurs


(3) a member of the Hells Angels linked to the Aryan Cowboys, a white supremacist prison and street gang — was seen smashing store windows (Forbes, 30 May 2020; KSTP, 28 July 2020). It was one of the first reports of destructive activity that day, and it “created an atmosphere of hostility and tension” that helped spark an outbreak of looting following initially peaceful protests, according to police investigators, who believe the man “wanted to sow discord and racial unrest” (New York Times, 28 July 2020). In another example on 29 May in Detroit, a number of non-residents reportedly traveled to the city to engage in violent behavior during a demonstration, leading to multiple arrests (MLive, 2 June 2020). 22JAN17-POST#847

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Correll wrote: You up for going back to the old rules, for the next presidential election? Since the Pandemic will be over by then? 22JAN17-POST#844

No pissing and moaning in Virginia about the new rules used when the Republicans flipped the Governor’s mansion. They are great rules forever more in the birthplace of American demicracy

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Correll wrote: You up for going back to the old rules, for the next presidential election? Since the Pandemic will be over by then? 22JAN17-POST#844

NFBW wrote: Are you up for a ban on gerrymandering. I AM.


90% of trump and biden voters agree: gerrymandering is a major problem

More than 90 percent of voters surveyed want fair voting maps that do not benefit their political party. The poll comes less than two weeks before the U.S. .

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Correll wrote: EVERYTIME you talk shit about how bad Stewart was/is, you are just rehashing the shit we said, when we agreed that 1/6 was a riot. 22JAN17-POST#843

NFBW wrote: Stewart Rhodes Is not a rioter. He was not in DC on JAN6. He allegedly stayed with the QRF’s and stockpile of weapons in a hotel in Va. but chickened out after Trump told the violent mob he loved them but they needed to go home.

NFBW wrote: Stewart Rhodes Is not a rioter.

NFBW wrote: Stewart Rhodes Is not a rioter.

NFBW wrote: Stewart Rhodes Is not a rioter.

NFBW wrote: Stewart Rhodes Is not a rioter.

NFBW wrote: Stewart Rhodes Is not a rioter.

Jan6 rioting had nothing to do with conspiracy to commit sedition that Rhodes has been charged with. The Chauvin riots had nothing to do with the militia leader’s seditious conspiracy charges against him. It is no excuse if that is what you are driving at? 22JAN17-POST#850

This is a rioter:

LEFTY RIOTER - during the CHAUVIN protest on May30 Martin J. Engelhart looted stores, and took part in a beating

 

[NotfooledbyW]

NFBW wrote: Do you believe Correll the Oath Keepers, under the leadership of Stewart Rhodes and his buddies, after DJT was defeated in November, were conducting themselves in what the 2nd Amendment defines as a well regulated militia? 22JAN17-POST#851

 

[Indeependent]

The Oath Keepers are geniuses...they spray painted themselves Black and caused millions of dollars of damage to commercial property in Chicago.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

NFBW wrote: Correll is an expert witness on traditional Americanism, and traditional Americans like S.Rhodes are a big part of current news in the continuing saga of DJT’s BIG LIE, and because I assume whitehall is a traditional American who has written two opposing scenarios regarding Jan6 within the same post, I am hoping Correll can tell if anything whitehall wrote last Sunday might be true.

Is A.Babbitt. . . . .

(1) a traditional American leader of unarmed mom and pop traditional criminal trespassers who was shot dead by federal cops per whitehall 22JAN16?

. . . or

(2) a follower of left wing dirty tricksters (false flaggers - agents provocateurs) who led the group of unarmed mom and pop traditional American protesters ti become criminal trespassers when she was shot dead by federal cops per whitehall 22JAN16?

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“In the final months of her life, Babbitt’s posts took on a biblical fervor, casting Trump’s supporters as warriors in an epic battle of good versus evil.​

https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5928249/ashli-babbitt-capitol-extremism/?amp=true​

Her last tweet, sent after she arrived in Washington on Jan. 5, read: “Nothing will stop us….they can try and try and try but the storm is here and it is descending upon DC in less than 24 hours….dark to light!” The reference to the “storm” is a key tenet of the QAnon conspiracy, the day adherents believe a violent reckoning will expose the deep state and bring Trump’s enemies to justice. “Jan6-TIME-BabbitMartyr 21DEC15-POST#0786​

Correll wrote: Their intent was to stop the certification of a fraudulent vote. 21JUL27-POST#51

NFBW wrote: In response to that Correll I assume you agree A.Babbitt was in on the same mission with the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers whether she was in on their plot to overthrow the incoming government or not. Her intent was to stop the steal.

Sunday at 12:37 PM#3 whitehall wrote: We saw a bunch of unarmed mom and pop demonstrators and an unarmed woman shot dead by federal cops and a year later the left tells us how the demonstration was "supposed" to go down? It was supposed to go down peacefully until left wing dirty tricksters led the group into criminal trespass. 22JAN16-POST#003



NFBW wrote: Why are traditional Americans like A.Babbitt S.Rhodes and@whitehall so susceptible to DJT’s BIG LIE and in @whitehall’s make up opposing stories about Jan6 and neither one is true? How can we have an intelligent conversation with traditional Americans when they tell lies as easy as they breathe? 22JAN18-POST#853

 

[Correll]

Correll wrote: If you are so intent on their intent, their intent was to "stop the bogus transfer of power to Biden, because it was a fixed election". 22JAN02 POST#1026

NFBW wrote: As a cultural Christian and traditional American yourself Correll, do you agree with accused conspirator and seditionist Stewart Rhodes that some group of people ‘fixed’ the election? You have stated the election wss unfair to your pathetic sore loser but not ‘fixed’. You wrote these exact words on that issue:

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Correll wrote: The election was marred by widespread and massive propaganda by the media, widespread civil unrest supported by the dems, and widespread and massive relaxations of election procedures. 22JAN15-POST#825​

NONE of that qualifies as election fraud or some hidden back room agenda to fix the election by illegally switching real ballots with fake ones with bamboo fibers in the paper or something like that. - - - So do you agree Correll with accused conspirator and seditionist Stewart Rhodes that some group of people ‘fixed’ the election? 22JAN17-POST#

Imo, yes, the election was tainted enough, by the factors I mentioned, that it does reach the level of "fixed".

 

[Correll]

Correll wrote: You up for going back to the old rules, for the next presidential election? Since the Pandemic will be over by then? 22JAN17-POST#844

NFBW wrote: Absolutely not. ThIs shit for brains sore loser pissing and moaning: . . .

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Therefore my answer to your question Correll is no. A resounding NO. We should not negotiate with terrorists even when they claim to be traditional Americans or Christians or whatever. 22JAN17-POST#846

Really? Even though the last time, according to you, it resulted in a crisis that was... so close to ending our democracy, you still don't want to return to the same rules as elected Bill Clinton and Obama?

Mmmm, interesting. Odd that you are so... driven to get a few more points of voter turnout.

Suspicious even.


I know that only one person died on 1/6. But how many do you believed died from it? How many are you wiling to see die for, "better turnout"?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Correll wrote: Really? Even though the last time, according to you, it resulted in a crisis that was... so close to ending our democracy, you still don't want to return to the same rules as elected Bill Clinton and Obama? 22JAN18-POST#855

NFBW wrote: You are a liar. It was not “according to me” that Trump was defeated only because the election was fixed, or rigged or marred due to widespread and massive propaganda by the media, widespread civil unrest supported by the dems, and widespread and massive relaxations of election procedures. DJT was defeated because all fifty states applied pre-election rules and procedures in accordance with the law to both candidates. People voted and all fifty states counted every single legitimate ballot and then certified the results. Nothing was fixed. Biden got more votes than Trump in Arizona Michigan Pennsylvania Wisconsin Georgia and Nevada based on counting every legal ballot. Those are the states that DJT claims without proof it was fixed against him. - Your stuff Correll the propaganda , the civil unrest, relaxations of election procedures did not “fix” the elections in 44 other states. How can your conspiracy theory be? My opinion is that civil unrest and fallout from the Chauvin riots helped Trump win Florida and Texas. But by no means would I make a loony toons claim that Biden had no chance to win those states because civil unrest made it absolutely impossible that he could win them. 22JAN18-POST#856

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Correll wrote: I know that only one person died on 1/6. But how many do you believe died from it? How many are you wiling to see die for, "better turnout" 22JAN18-POST#855

NFBW wrote: Are you saying Correll high voter turnout of Dem Party voters caused a dim-witted Qanon disciple, who believed DJT’s BIG LIE , who flew from California to DC to try to keep DJT in office for a second term, who stormed the Capitol alongside Proud Boys, Oath Keepers and white Supremacists without going through a security check during a joint session of Congress and all that happened were her choices but it was high turnout that got her shot and killed?
And therefore we should discourage Americans from voting because Ashley dumbass Babbitt was a traditional good American and we don’t want any more like her getting killed? Is that it? 22JAN18-POST#857

It’s good A.Babbitt was killed - It stopped the attackers, the terrorists, the stormtroooers in that corridor from terrorizing members of Congress and their staffs any further.

Thomas Baranyi and Ashley Babbitt STORM Congress together:​

Donald Trump falsely said the 2020 presidential election was marred by widespread voter fraud and that he was the true victor. He told his supporters to "fight" for him as Congress confirmed President-elect Joe Biden's election victory in the Capitol building.​

The man standing next to Ashli Babbitt as she was shot and killed has been arrested on charges of storming the Capitol building​

Baranyi said he personally participated in the storming of the Capitol building to stop Congress from counting the electoral college votes for Biden.​

"We tore through the scaffolding, through flash bangs and tear gas, and blitzed our way in through all the chambers just trying to get into Congress or whoever we could get in to and tell them that we need some kind of investigation into this," he said, according to the FBI affidavit​

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Correll wrote: Imo, yes, the election was tainted enough, by the factors I mentioned, that it does reach the level of "fixed". 22JAN18-POST#854.

NFBW wrote: For the election to be “fixed” it has to be either fixed or it isn’t. There are no “levels” of fixed. That defeats the meaning of the word. And it has to involve the actual counting or not counting of certain ballots one way favoring one candidate to overcome the actual ballots if the fixed outcome is not trending in the “fixed” direction. - - - If the 2020 rule changes came about by Republican lawmakers and or Republican governors does it mean Republicans “fixed” the election in their states. Correll ???? 22JAN18-POST#858

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Billiejeens wrote: With all the information that has come forward it is stupefying that there are still people that don't realize that President Trump had more legal votes than Biden. - It's crazy 22JAN18-POST#180

NFBW wrote: Would you be so kind Correll to let Billiejeens and all your fellow traditional Americans who believe the BIG LIE know that DJT lost according to you because the election was marred by widespread and massive propaganda by the media, widespread civil unrest supported by the dems, and widespread and massive relaxations of election procedures. Billiejeens is not correct to insist that President Trump had more legal votes than Biden in Arizona Michigan Georgia Pennsylvania Nevada and Wisconsin in addition to the states DJT officially won. Maybe with a heartless to heartless talk from one Traditional American to another, you can at least get your lies straight to start with. 22JAN18-POST#859.

 

[mudwhistle]

And yet you can’t explain how I am wrong.

You either can't accept the explanation or are unable to grasp it because you cannot believe that a corrupt government would lie to you in a heartbeat.