Retired Air Force officer sentenced to 3 years for storing classified information at his Florida home

[Dadoalex]

Why should anyone be in jail for forgetting something all people do? Especially when the people call NARA and have the documents returned immediately ?

And that goes for Biden, Pence or anyone else?

The full jails would be full of people who forget but have returned government documents without being asked to do so, or trying to keep them. Which is what they are supposed to do.

Which prison or jail needs to be built for them? At taxpayers cost?

Gratefully, justice in this country does not work the way some extremists would like to see them work.

This country, the government, is and has been extremely sloppy in protecting classified information.
The bottom line is that this is the source of the security issue.
It's not just the people at the top or people acting with intent, it is a system that fails at every level to provide proper protections for classified information.

Thus, we end up with edward Snowden, Bradley Manning, and Robert Hanssen.
AND
I suspect several GOP members of Congress.

 

[Dadoalex]

That should be the point to be used in this situation. The difference between having them stored away, without knowing you had them. And somebody knowingly had them, and went through them on a regular basis.

True.
Intent must be the determining factor.

 

[postman]

No it really couldnt. I know your hatred of the Orange man is very intense but a President declassifying something doesn't constitute treason.

It does if he declassifies things without regard to what he was declassifying.
Like Trump walking into a SCIF, and without knowing what was there, just declaring "everything in here is now declassified"

 

[Couchpotato]

No more than twitter or facebook, or any of the other places people can post photos on, were foreseeable avenues for distributing illegal pornography.

You probably shouldn't use Facebook or Twitter to conduct your official Sec of State business either though Facebook, Twitter and Gmail have far more secure servers than Hillary had in her bathroom in NY. That doesn't change the fact that in her effort to avoid FOIA requests (which is illegal BTW) she set up and used an unsecure mail server for official government correspondence which put the security of the US at risk. She did so to further her political career. Period. Full stop.

 

[Couchpotato]

It does if he declassifies things without regard to what he was declassifying.
Like Trump walking into a SCIF, and without knowing what was there, just declaring "everything in here is now declassified"

1. You have zero information about what was declassified/claimed to be declassified.

2. Link to that in the authority of the President to declassify something. Everything that is classified is classified using the authority of the President to classify things. Hence the reason Presidents dont have to ask permission to declassify things.

 

[postman]

You probably shouldn't use Facebook or Twitter to conduct your official Sec of State business either though Facebook, Twitter and Gmail have far more secure servers than Hillary had in her bathroom in NY. That doesn't change the fact that in her effort to avoid FOIA requests (which is illegal BTW) she set up and used an unsecure mail server for official government correspondence which put the security of the US at risk. She did so to further her political career. Period. Full stop.

Maybe you should have mentioned that when the George W. Bush administration did that with an RNC server in the whitehouse, and when they tried to FOIA / subpoena those e-mails, they deleted 5-22 MILLION of them.

During the investigation into the firing of eight U.S. attorneys, it became known White House staff was using Republican National Committee (RNC) email accounts. The White House stated it might have lost five million emails.

The George W. Bush White House 'Lost' 22 Million Emails

 

[postman]

1. You have zero information about what was declassified/claimed to be declassified.

And neither does Trump. He declassified documents without even looking at them.

He could have been declassifying documents that weren't even classified, or he could have been declassifying our most secret sources and methods. Trump didn't know or care which of those he was doing.

 

[Couchpotato]

And neither does Trump. He declassified documents without even looking at them.

He could have been declassifying documents that weren't even classified, or he could have been declassifying our most secret sources and methods. Trump didn't know or care which of those he was doing.

Unfortunately for your argument that doesnt matter.

 

[postman]

Unfortunately for your argument that doesnt matter.

Actually it does. Declassifying information without regard to the harm it would do our national security. Declassified information is available to the public, and to our enemies. So declassifying information wholesale, is giving aid and comfort to our enemies.

The very definition of treason.

 

[Couchpotato]

Maybe you should have mentioned that when the George W. Bush administration did that with an RNC server in the whitehouse, and when they tried to FOIA / subpoena those e-mails, they deleted 5-22 MILLION of them.

During the investigation into the firing of eight U.S. attorneys, it became known White House staff was using Republican National Committee (RNC) email accounts. The White House stated it might have lost five million emails.

The George W. Bush White House 'Lost' 22 Million Emails

They were wrong for doing that for sure.

What does that have to do with what Hillary did?

 

[Couchpotato]

Actually it does. Declassifying information without regard to the harm it would do our national security. Declassified information is available to the public, and to our enemies. So declassifying information wholesale, is giving aid and comfort to our enemies.

The very definition of treason.

Sorry buy you're just wrong. A Presidents authority to classify and declassify things isnt restrained by your opinion. It's certainly not restrained by your dislike for a specific President.

 

[postman]

Sorry buy you're just wrong. A Presidents authority to classify and declassify things isnt restrained by your opinion. It's certainly not restrained by your dislike for a specific President.

As Commander in chief Trump could order our military forces to surrender themselves and their weapons to Vladimir Putin. As commander in chief Trump has the absolute right to command our military.

But such an act, even though a president has the power to do so, still constitutes treason.

 

[Dadoalex]

Sure, Biden didn't know Perhaps you were not aware of this?

“Classified materials next to your Corvette? What were you thinking?” Fox News reporter Peter Doocy asked Biden after he spoke about annual inflation edging lower to 6.5% in December.

“My Corvette is in a locked garage, OK? So it’s not like they’re sitting out on the street,” Biden replied, seeming to brush off the significance of the discovery.

“So it was in a locked garage?” Doocy persisted.

“Yes, as well as my Corvette,” Biden admitted.

“But as I said earlier this week, people know I take classified documents and classified material seriously,” the president insisted.

There's nothing there that implies he knew the documents were there.
Only that his garage is secure.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

 

[Couchpotato]

As Commander in chief Trump could order our military forces to surrender themselves and their weapons to Vladimir Putin. As commander in chief Trump has the absolute right to command our military.

But such an act, even though a president has the power to do so, still constitutes treason.

Actually, he couldnt. War is declared and surrendered granted as an act of Congress. Try again.

But for arguments sake lets say a President could do that. If he did would it be illegal? We cant as a society grant an elected office a power than say their use of that power inside the bounds that we granted it is illegal because we dont like a specific individual who was elected to that office.

 

[Couchpotato]

John Edgar Slow Horses

Does the authority to classify things reside in the office of the President or not?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

John Edgar Slow Horses

Does the authority to classify things reside in the office of the President or not?

How documents are classified are not determined by your thinking on the subject.

Your birth stone is crystal meth, and it is showing.

 

[Couchpotato]

How documents are classified are not determined by your thinking on the subject.

Your birth stone is crystal meth, and it is showing.

What does any of that have to do with the question I asked? Does the authority to classify information reside with the Office of the President in our system? I think we both know why you wont answer that question though dont we.

 

[Delldude]

Just as important is how the removed documents were chosen. As aides packing up "everything in the office", could easily include boxes with classified documents in them.

It would be a different matter if the person did all his own packing.

And more importantly, what was subsequently done with those documents. Were they just in long term storage, or were they being accessed on a regular basis?

Quit pussy footing the legalities .

Taking them out of a secure facility to their home in a classified state is the issue of concern. I see no one really wants to address that.

 

[Delldude]

Pence and Biden on the other hand
Didn't know they were there until they searched for them

Especially the ones on a bench behind his Vette.

 

[Dadoalex]

Especially the ones on a bench behind his Vette.

And?