Republicans to target unions, expand school choice in states

[bodecea]

It goes back to what Rush says all the time. Unions are a way of getting tax money from the taxpayers to the Democrat party. We pay taxes for these schools--some of which ends up in the hands of the unions. Election time comes, and unions heavily support the Democrat party. So of course they are going to protect that money as much as possible.

But you have to ask WHY do the Democrats get that money?

Oh, that's right, because they actually protect workers rights.

Here's the REAL problem with our public schools.

And...that's on the parents. The SAME parents who send their students to public school, never show up to support...and whine. The SAME parents who send their students to public school with no home-made lunch...and then whine about what the school provides.

 

[rdean]

Found this on my local news station site and decided to throw it out there. The meat of the article says this:

"As President-elect Donald Trump leads an attempted makeover in Washington, Republican governors and state lawmakers will be simultaneously pushing an aggressive agenda that limits abortion, lawsuits and unions, cuts business taxes and regulations, and expands gun rights and school choice.

Republicans will hold 33 governors' offices, have majorities in 33 legislatures and control both the governor's office and legislature in 25 states - their most since 1952. Democrats will control both the governor's office and legislature in only about a half-dozen states; the rest will have politically divided governments."

Republicans to target unions, expand school choice in states

So is this such a bad agenda? I predict more snowflakes a falling.

Charter schools want smart kids. Many have more liberals than Republicans.

 

[Wyatt earp]

What they are talking about is choice in education and employment. Liberals don't like choices. Choice means freedom.

 

[bodecea]

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I don't trust that Chicago graph. I live here and that ain't right for public school graduates

"that ain't right"..........the grammar hits keep on coming!

You listen to Rush?

Why would I? I'm not a dittohead sheep.

 

[owebo]

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I don't trust that Chicago graph. I live here and that ain't right for public school graduates

"that ain't right"..........the grammar hits keep on coming!

You listen to Rush?

Why would I? I'm not a dittohead sheep.

Oh....so you're just an ignorant **** parroting your fake news....

Thanks....

 

[Wyatt earp]

Found this on my local news station site and decided to throw it out there. The meat of the article says this:

"As President-elect Donald Trump leads an attempted makeover in Washington, Republican governors and state lawmakers will be simultaneously pushing an aggressive agenda that limits abortion, lawsuits and unions, cuts business taxes and regulations, and expands gun rights and school choice.

Republicans will hold 33 governors' offices, have majorities in 33 legislatures and control both the governor's office and legislature in 25 states - their most since 1952. Democrats will control both the governor's office and legislature in only about a half-dozen states; the rest will have politically divided governments."

Republicans to target unions, expand school choice in states

So is this such a bad agenda? I predict more snowflakes a falling.

The states with strong teachers' unions have the best educational records in the country.

Why **** with that?

You got to be drinking a lot of egg nogg today.




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[bodecea]

If unions confined themselves to trying to get the best deal they could for the employees that they represent, then no one outside their company or union would give a shit. Have at it.

But unions have decided that their real mission in life is promoting "creeping socialism" into our society, and have funded a virtual "jihad" against both employers and government officials (mainly elected officials) who try to resist. So they have brought this on entirely on their own.

Laws that demand that all employees pay union dues, regardless of what is funded by those dues, are an affront to independent-minded employees who don't want their hard-earned money promoting political activity that they do not like. So who can blame legislators - the victims of union political activity - from enacting law to try to allow dissenting employees to opt out. And if this "kills" a union or two, it was a suicide, not a homicide.

And as for government employee unions, they are an abomination and should be utterly abolished, as President F. Roosevelt observed many years ago. And it goes without saying that teachers' unions are the worst, doing more harm to American Public Education than even our worst enemies could have hoped to inflict.

What is your personal experience that makes you feel this way about unions?

 

[bodecea]

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I don't trust that Chicago graph. I live here and that ain't right for public school graduates

"that ain't right"..........the grammar hits keep on coming!

You listen to Rush?

Why would I? I'm not a dittohead sheep.

Oh....so you're just an ignorant **** parroting your fake news....

Thanks....

You confuse me with a Rushbo dittohead sheep.

 

[jc456]

i wonder if many grade schools are hanging posters of polar bears living on sheets of ice with a caption reading that its the fault of our white parents driving too many SUV's

You "wonder"? You mean you don't help out at your children's school? You don't actively participate in their education? So you mooch off our education system, doing nothing but complaining?

You assume the OP has children in school.
Mooch...You prick. What the **** do you call that check we have to write to the municipality or county every 12 months?....Mooch.. What an asshole

So...if the OP doesn't have some children in school.....why are they ranting as if they know what the heck is going on?

And I write a check every 6 months.....looks like YOU are the mooch here.

You not to bright

 

[Derelict_Drvr]

Who are Republicans fighting for, when they go after unions and union busting? Are they in bed with the Corporations? Certainly not in bed with the citizens who work in Union jobs that pay well....

Well, the term "work" may be a misnomer.

I belonged to the International Union of Operating Engineers many, many years ago. All I did was operate heavy equipment, and if my machine wasn't needed on the job site for a period of time, all that I was allowed to do was sit on my ass. I couldn't even fuel my own machine or do any maintenance on it. Pay was decent, but I spent more time sitting on my machine, and in the union hall waiting to be called for a job, than actually working.

So I enlisted in the military.

 

[bodecea]

Who are Republicans fighting for, when they go after unions and union busting? Are they in bed with the Corporations? Certainly not in bed with the citizens who work in Union jobs that pay well....

Republicans are fighting for choice.

I remember years ago when I was out looking for jobs, I'd apply to someplace that had a union. I would be up front and tell them I had no interest in joining a union. They told me either I join the union or they can't hire me.

Do you think that's fair?

Then, if you don't join the union, you don't benefit from the union negotiations for raises and benefits. THEN it's fair. Right?

 

[bodecea]

i wonder if many grade schools are hanging posters of polar bears living on sheets of ice with a caption reading that its the fault of our white parents driving too many SUV's

You "wonder"? You mean you don't help out at your children's school? You don't actively participate in their education? So you mooch off our education system, doing nothing but complaining?

You assume the OP has children in school.
Mooch...You prick. What the **** do you call that check we have to write to the municipality or county every 12 months?....Mooch.. What an asshole

So...if the OP doesn't have some children in school.....why are they ranting as if they know what the heck is going on?

And I write a check every 6 months.....looks like YOU are the mooch here.

You not to bright

 

[bodecea]

Who are Republicans fighting for, when they go after unions and union busting? Are they in bed with the Corporations? Certainly not in bed with the citizens who work in Union jobs that pay well....

Well, the term "work" may be a misnomer.

I belonged to the International Union of Operating Engineers many, many years ago. All I did was operate heavy equipment, and if my machine wasn't needed on the job site for a period of time, all that I was allowed to do was sit on my ass. I couldn't even fuel my own machine or do any maintenance on it. Pay was decent, but I spent more time sitting on my machine, and in the union hall waiting to be called for a job, than actually working.

So I enlisted in the military.

That's exactly how the Army and Air Force operate.....so if you were in either of those, you fit right in.

 

[rdean]

Republicans want charter schools because they hate unions. Opps.

When Charters Go Union

Cleveland: Charter School Teachers Form a Union

East Bay Charter Schools Unionize

Dozens fired at St. Paul charter school in suspected union retaliation | City Pages

 

[jc456]

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I don't trust that Chicago graph. I live here and that ain't right for public school graduates

"that ain't right"..........the grammar hits keep on coming!

You listen to Rush?

Why would I? I'm not a dittohead sheep.

Then how do you know what he talks about? Oh you're confirming you're a parrot . Got it!

 

[JoeB131]

Ahh, the old teacher's union fallback position. Test scores. Meaningless pap. It is well regarded that standardized test scores do not measure intelligence. In fact standardized tests measure one thing. The student's ability to take the test.
Urban school districts with struggling schools never show high test scores.
So the article shows no context.

Yet that's the only measure we have, isn't it? The point is, in Milwaukee, test scores when DOWN after they looted the systems and let all the scammers get into play. ANother place where the scores went down was in Michigan, were Betsy Devos got school choice put in and things got measurably worse.

Look, school choice( not vouchers. No one is talking about vouchers) is a cry for help. The system in place is not working for inner city kids. It hasn't in three or more decades. Let them decide where they want to go to school. And BTW, most people who want to choose their child's school, are members of minority communities. Same applies to vouchers.

The problem is, you can't move the problem kids without moving the problems. moving the kid from the problem district to the good district just means you are moving the problem, not fixing it. This isn't complicated.

And your analysis of "poor kids".....I assume you mean minority children not being able to succeed despite the fact that they are given better tools and a better educational environment "won't work" is patently racist.

When did this happen? In fact, the opposite is true. Poor kids in Chicago have a lot less spent on them than rich kids in Evanston...(to use an IL example.)


— Due to the primary reliance on local property tax revenue for school funding, there are massive cumulative gaps in per-pupil spending, particularly in poor or minority communities. The 6,413 students who started elementary school in Evanston [a suburb north of Chicago] in 1994 and graduated from high school in 2007 had about $290 million more spent on their education than the same number of Chicago Public Schools students.— Many of the school districts that spent the most per-student received at least 90 percent of their money from local property taxes. Yet, these districts tended to tax themselves at far lower rates than their poorer counterparts.

 

[bodecea]

Obama lunch anyone?

You one of those lazy parents who can't fix their own child a lunch?

 

[bodecea]

Uh.... I don't know. Maybe the 91% that use them?

Are you saying that your 9% should pay for services they don't use? Yeah, that makes total sense.

That's exactly what my sister did and she's in debt for life because she wanted to make sure her kids got a Catholic education. Her property taxes are almost as bad as mine. Over half of what we pay for property taxes here goes to the schools me nor any of my tenants have children in.

Well, if she didn't want to be in debt, she shouldn't have had kids she couldn't afford to educate.

She educated them and made a sacrifice to do so. Nothing wrong with that. Her kids are doing great. My nephew has a Masters degree and passed college with flying colors. I don't know if that would have been the case if he was stuck in public school.

Well, good for them......if they turned out so wonderful, why are you whining about it?

 

[JoeB131]

Which is awesome if you can afford them. what if you can't?

Hence, vouchers.

I noticed you skipped over the whole discussion of supply and demand, didn't you?

Nobody wants to educate the poor Corkies... The poor Corkies are ending up in a public school, no matter what.

 

[bodecea]

Which is awesome if you can afford them. what if you can't?

Hence, vouchers.

For schools.....as I said before, I am all for school choice. Public schools should get the complete choice to choose who goes there and who stays there. Right now, public schools don't have choice.