Republicans fail to make any rational argument why society must force full term gestation on all women. Their failed arguments are examined here:

[initforme]

Birth control is available, but its reliability and effectiveness has been completely overstated, especially by men. All of the studies on pregnancy and childbirth indicate that the rate of unintended pregnancy in the United States is currently about 45% and that’s down from 51% in 1994.

The majority of women who are faced with an unintended pregnancy, will carry the baby to term. I have two beautiful grandchildren who were conceived while my daughter was taking the pill.

Yes in carefully controlled studies birth control is 98% effective might be but in real life it’s only 85% of effective and that means 15% of women taking the pill get pregnant EVERY MONTH.

40% of the women seeking abortions in any month through using birth control at the time they got pregnant. Birth control fails.

Soa 40 percent drop in women conceiving would do wonders for the nation. Abortion would go away on its own, and women who don't want kids wouldn't be burdened with raising them. A win all around. Nobody loses.

 

[initforme]

Unintended pregnancies are a massive problem. Bad news for a nation.

 

[Vastator]

Irresponsible women? No woman ever got pregnant by herself. It’s a biological impossibility.

Cool. So you favor extending the aforementioned privileges to the men also then?

 

[Dragonlady]

Soa 40 percent drop in women conceiving would do wonders for the nation. Abortion would go away on its own, and women who don't want kids wouldn't be burdened with raising them. A win all around. Nobody loses.

A 40% drop in women conceiving would be an economic disaster for the nation.

You currently have 11 million jobs right now that you don’t have workers to fill. Your birth is so low that that your population is not replacing itself and would be declining if not for immigration, which you also want to end.

Abortion will never go away. Abortion, like prostitution, has been around since humans lived in caves. And the simple fact that abortion is the only medically sound treatment for a number of complications of pregnancy is the reason why.

Even if all unintended pregnancies ended tomorrow, the medical complications of pregnancy requiring abortion will continue unabated.

 

[Dragonlady]

Unintended pregnancies are a massive problem. Bad news for a nation.

Bulkshit. Unintended pregnancies have been a fact of life for women since we lived in caves.

Republican men really need to stop commenting on something that they have absolutely no knowledge of whatsoever.

Of course they could studying and learn women’s biology and understand why we are so pissed about what they’re doing but they’re not smart enough to do that.

Instead, they spew their ignorance and stupidity about pregnancy and childbirth as if it meant some thing, and then get pissy when we roll her eyes at the idiocy in their posts.

Maybe we should force all men to get vasectomies, until they are socially mature enough that women will trust them to have to father their children. That would go along way towards reducing unintended pregnancies.

Let’s start a movement to snip the Fuck Bois and reduce abortion.

 

[Vastator]

Bulkshit. Unintended pregnancies have been a fact of life for women since we lived in caves.

Republican men really need to stop commenting on something that they have absolutely no knowledge of whatsoever.

Of course they could studying and learn women’s biology and understand why we are so pissed about what they’re doing but they’re not smart enough to do that.

Instead, they spew their ignorance and stupidity about pregnancy and childbirth as if it meant some thing, and then get pissy when we roll her eyes at the idiocy in their posts.

Maybe we should force all men to get vasectomies, until they are socially mature enough that women will trust them to have to father their children. That would go along way towards reducing unintended pregnancies.

Let’s start a movement to snip the Fuck Bois and reduce abortion.

Always trying push the responsibility off on to someone else. You're nothing, if not consistent...

 

[Libby von H]

No, it’s calling out the right’s hypocrisy and authoritarianism; conservatives’ desire to compel conformity and punish dissent through the power of the state.

Rhetoric about a fetus being a ‘baby’ and abortion being ‘murder’ are red herrings, having nothing to do with the fact whatever one’s opinion on the subject, it’s not within the scope of the state’s authority to interfere with a woman’s reproductive autonomy.

You have no heart
We interfere with murder all the time.
Don't switch the subject

CHIEF JUSTICE REHNQUIST
The fact that a majority of the States, reflecting after all the majority sentiment in those States, have had restrictions on abortions for at least a century seems to me as strong an indication there is that the asserted right to an abortion is not ‘so rooted in the traditions and conscience of our people as to be ranked as fundamental’.

 

[Libby von H]

Bulkshit. Unintended pregnancies have been a fact of life for women since we lived in caves.

Republican men really need to stop commenting on something that they have absolutely no knowledge of whatsoever.

Of course they could studying and learn women’s biology and understand why we are so pissed about what they’re doing but they’re not smart enough to do that.

Instead, they spew their ignorance and stupidity about pregnancy and childbirth as if it meant some thing, and then get pissy when we roll her eyes at the idiocy in their posts.

Maybe we should force all men to get vasectomies, until they are socially mature enough that women will trust them to have to father their children. That would go along way towards reducing unintended pregnancies.

Let’s start a movement to snip the Fuck Bois and reduce abortion.

You sound pre-eminently UNKIND

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Libby von H said: I know your type intimately. lobby h.23.11.22 #70

That is an extremely goofy argument Saint Libbyvonh. I ‘ll get to you soon.

kyzr said: Abortion is a state issue. kyzr!.23.11.21 #2

But forcing full term gestation on women when a state government is run by mostly white male fundamentalist REPUBLICAN Christians like Saint Mike Johnson is a violation of individual rights and violation of separation of church and state.

nf.23.11.22 #89

 

[sealybobo]

1. There will never be a ban on abortions. Republicans are not that stupid.
Recent elections proven that women want access to abortions, period.

2. Link where abortions in another state is murder.

3. Abortions are a state responsibility, period.

I know you'd rather talk about abortions instead of how bad Joe Biden is doing. Biden is TOAST.

No laws yet against crossing state lines to commit murder. Yet.

Joe's doing great. Economy, great. Gas prices coming down. Jobs reports, crushing it.

Republicans aren't going to fix inflation. Remember Trump caused the inflation you are suffering. Just ask Ron and Chris Christie. The only time they'll tell the truth is in the primaries. And they told you. Trump caused inflation.

Like I said, don't trust Republicans when they say they are happy with the current abortion laws. They are liars.

The unconstitutional plan to stop women from traveling out of state for an abortion, explained

The age of travel bans is now upon us.

www.vox.com

 

[Independent thinker]

Republicans fail to make any rational argument why society must force full term gestation on all women. It is why Republicans are suffering politically since they won a states rights argument with the Dobbs decision.

But state’s rights do not supersede individual right’s including the unenumerated individual right to privacy for impregnated women.

One of Saint Ding’s failed arguments goes something like this:

ding said: It's extremely clear that the reason you are playing word games in your dehumanization of human life is to make it easier to kill them and dismiss their right to life. dvng. #4,716​

An argument based upon what Saint Ding thinks I am thinking being evil, is not an argument at all.

Protected unborn life from the instant of conception has not been a norm for Americans for centuries. The norm the past fifty years has been that protected life begins at reasonable expectation of life outside the womb.

Saint Heynorm does the same thing by accusing me of thinking ZEFs are worthless clump of cells,

HeyNorm said: “ ….. all they are carrying is a worthless clump of cells, right? Like a parasite, right?” hynrm.23.11.19 #772​

I don’t think that at all. My response is here:
nf.23.11.21 #11,948 to hynrm.23.11.19 #772

nf.23.11.21 #1

What? No one is forcing women to have sex.

 

[sealybobo]

1. There will never be a ban on abortions. Republicans are not that stupid.
Recent elections proven that women want access to abortions, period.

2. Link where abortions in another state is murder.

3. Abortions are a state responsibility, period.

I know you'd rather talk about abortions instead of how bad Joe Biden is doing. Biden is TOAST.

The pattern emerges whenever a Republican-led state imposes new restrictions on abortion: People seeking the procedure cross state lines to find treatment in places with less-restrictive laws.
Now, a prominent antiabortion lawmaker in Missouri, from where thousands of residents have traveled to next-door Illinois to receive abortions since Missouri passed one of the country’s strictest abortion laws in 2019, believes she has found a solution.

Remember Republicans are liars and very clever about slowly passing legislation that is unpopular

An unusual new provision, introduced by state Rep. Mary Elizabeth Coleman (R), would allow private citizens to sue anyone who helps a Missouri resident obtain an abortion out of state, using the novel legal strategy behind the restrictive law in Texas that since September has banned abortions in that state after six weeks of pregnancy.

Coleman has attached the measure as an amendment to several abortion-related bills that have made it through committee and are waiting to be heard on the floor of the House of Representatives.

All these little lawsuits are to build up so that eventually the Supreme Court can use ONE of them as precedent. It's just so slick and slimy. But it's okay to lie if you are lying for the lord.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/08/missouri-abortion-ban-texas-supreme-court/?itid=lk_inline_manual_13

You can't say abortion is murder and you are happy with the current abortion laws of our country. You would/will vote for nuts who would make abortion murder. Don't lie.

 

[sealybobo]

Hardly. And like you care.

If what you say were true, abortion must secretly love abortion. It's like welfare. Republicans invented welfare and never had a problem with the program until the Supreme Court said it was racist to deny black people who are poor welfare while giving it to white poor people. It was clear discrimination. Suddenly Republicans didn't like the program. Instead they like charity. Because then they can decide which (white) women get the money.

I meant if what he says is true, REPUBLICANS must secretly love abortion.

 

[HeyNorm]

No, it’s calling out the right’s hypocrisy and authoritarianism; conservatives’ desire to compel conformity and punish dissent through the power of the state.

Rhetoric about a fetus being a ‘baby’ and abortion being ‘murder’ are red herrings, having nothing to do with the fact whatever one’s opinion on the subject, it’s not within the scope of the state’s authority to interfere with a woman’s reproductive autonomy.

Conservatives want women to have unprotected sex? Please, oh wise one, explain this to the class.

And as far as reproductive autonomy goes, I say give em that, and the sole responsibility if they decide to keep the child.

 

[Frankenstein]

Voters in many states have already said that abortions are legal, period. The End.

Legal doesn't make it right!

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Republicans fail to make any rational argument why society must force full term gestation on all women. It is why Republicans are suffering politically since they won a states rights argument with the Dobbs decision.

But state’s rights do not supersede individual right’s including the unenumerated individual right to privacy for impregnated women.

One of Saint Ding’s failed arguments goes something like this:

ding said: It's extremely clear that the reason you are playing word games in your dehumanization of human life is to make it easier to kill them and dismiss their right to life. dvng. #4,716​

An argument based upon what Saint Ding thinks I am thinking being evil, is not an argument at all.

Protected unborn life from the instant of conception has not been a norm for Americans for centuries. The norm the past fifty years has been that protected life begins at reasonable expectation of life outside the womb.

Saint Heynorm does the same thing by accusing me of thinking ZEFs are worthless clump of cells,

HeyNorm said: “ ….. all they are carrying is a worthless clump of cells, right? Like a parasite, right?” hynrm.23.11.19 #772​

I don’t think that at all. My response is here:
nf.23.11.21 #11,948 to hynrm.23.11.19 #772

nf.23.11.21 #1

SCOTUS handed it to states.

Don't like a state that doesn't allow it? Move

 

[initforme]

Legal doesn't make it right!

Nope. But if it's put on a ballot for the voters to decide then it's whatever the voters decide.

 

[HeyNorm]

Legal doesn't make it right!

They don’t care. It’s not about abortion anyway. It’s winning an election so they get free stuff. Anyone that thinks the left gives two shits about women just aren’t paying attention.

 

[Dragonlady]

1. There will never be a ban on abortions. Republicans are not that stupid.
Recent elections proven that women want access to abortions, period.

2. Link where abortions in another state is murder.

3. Abortions are a state responsibility, period.

I know you'd rather talk about abortions instead of how bad Joe Biden is doing. Biden is TOAST.

1. Republicans have proven time and time again that they really are just that stupid. Texas passed a six week limit on abortion which turned into a complete disaster for the state and has been partially overturned in the courts.

Even knowing all of this, and the huge public outcry over the six week ban in Texas. Even after reports of women dying in Texas, Ron DeSantis went ahead and signed a six week ban into law in Florida.

Republican governors throughout the south, all have their own versions of abortion bans either on the books, or being held up by the courts.

2. AG’s in abortion ban states have been requesting insurance information on out of state medical treatments received by women.

Blue states have been passing laws to protect abortion providers from criminal charges for testing women from abortion ban states.

Ron DeSantis try to pass a law that required high school age girls to report on their periods to the government. All in order to determine who’s getting pregnant and leaving the state to get an abortion

3. Abortion is a matter between a woman and her doctor, and no one else. Republican lawmakers have proven that they have neither the ability or the knowledge to legislate medical procedures, and they should be legally prevented from ever doing so again.

Women do not want their healthcare, determined or controlled by people who believe that women who are victims of “real rape” can’t get pregnant. Or who express the belief that women should “stop spreading their legs” in order to prevent pregnancy.

 

[HeyNorm]

1. Republicans have proven time and time again that they really are just that stupid. Texas passed a six week limit on abortion which turned into a complete disaster for the state and has been partially overturned in the courts.

Even knowing all of this, and the huge public outcry over the six week ban in Texas. Even after reports of women dying in Texas, Ron DeSantis went ahead and signed a six week ban into law in Florida.

Republican governors throughout the south, all have their own versions of abortion bans either on the books, or being held up by the courts.

2. AG’s in abortion ban states have been requesting insurance information on out of state medical treatments received by women.

Blue states have been passing laws to protect abortion providers from criminal charges for testing women from abortion ban states.

Ron DeSantis try to pass a law that required high school age girls to report on their periods to the government. All in order to determine who’s getting pregnant and leaving the state to get an abortion

3. Abortion is a matter between a woman and her doctor, and no one else. Republican lawmakers have proven that they have neither the ability or the knowledge to legislate medical procedures, and they should be legally prevented from ever doing so again.

Women do not want their healthcare, determined or controlled by people who believe that women who are victims of “real rape” can’t get pregnant. Or who express the belief that women should “stop spreading their legs” in order to prevent pregnancy.

Agreed, and as per 3, she should continue that responsibility whether she seeks an abortion or not. Child support, except in cases that the conception occurs within a legal marriage, by the male, should only be voluntary. No need for the government to be involved, right?