Republican Plan For Fiscal Sanity

[Sinatra]

Go read the link in that heritage post. It says that "Bush and Obama share responsibility for the 2009 budget." Except that total disbursements under the stimulus to the end of fiscal year 2009 was $100 billion. In other words, most of the 2009 budget falls under the prior administration.

Most of that budget's liabilities can be traced back to FDR and LBJ, if you really want to get down to cases.

Good point!

 

[Bfgrn]

Wrong again, as usual.

Unlike you, I've actually read Federalist #41 and #45.

Your "interpretation" of the clause is 180° against the spirit and intent whereby Madison wrote the clause.

You lie the worst when you lie to yourself.

Now get back to your possum stew before it gets cold.

So have I, so is THAT supposed to scare me off, are you using obfuscation to impress your misinformed pea brain coalition?

Well, if you DID read Federalist # 41, then tell us what Madison's intent is. Be specific.

Same with Federalist # 45...

 

[Bern80]

Or maybe because you can build the strawman that sez because the federal gubmint won't do it, nobody will?

Well, I'm being beat over the head by the conservative "free market will cure anything" BS, even though there is evidence everywhere around us to the contrary... what would take its place? Anytime ANYTHING utilitywise is deregulated, the cost to the consumer does NOT go down, but UP. It just doesn't.

Shocking electricity prices follow deregulation - USATODAY.com
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You're the one full of BS. CHOICE (aka. the free market) works wherever tried. Dopes like you point to our economic system and say 'look the free market isn't working'. Did you ever stop to ask yourself if you're really looking at a free market in the first place? NEWSFLASH: You're not. Parents don't have little school choice, but private schools that parents can choose outperform public schools. That's simple fact.

 

[Bfgrn]

Go read the link in that heritage post. It says that "Bush and Obama share responsibility for the 2009 budget." Except that total disbursements under the stimulus to the end of fiscal year 2009 was $100 billion. In other words, most of the 2009 budget falls under the prior administration.

Most of that budget's liabilities can be traced back to FDR and LBJ, if you really want to get down to cases.

Oh, I see. So it's out of bounds to blame Booooooooooooooooooooosh, but FDR and LBJ are fair game?...

You continue to show just HOW partisan you really are...

 

[Oddball]

The policies that are most bankrupting the entire system are Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid....Imposed upon us by FDR and LBJ, respectively....ANY economist worth his salt will admit as much.

Those are the facts, asshelmet.

 

[Mr. Peepers]

You're the one full of BS. CHOICE (aka. the free market) works wherever tried.

No, it doesn't. Please explain why when anything is deregulated, we either get criminal behavior (enron), rediculous shenanigans (toxic derivatives) or extreme price increases (Cali electricity deregulation). I guess this is why my power bill is 40% more than my parents' bill, as they are still on TVA. Even loosening regulation on big business causes problems due to pervasive greed. Please show me one instance where deregulation, or as you put it "choice" has led to lower prices for consumers in utilities, education etc. Please??? I'll wait.

As to what you said about private schools, not that I can understand what you pass off as English... if schools are run for profit, what are you goiing to do with those who cannot afford an education (which would probably be more than half your community)?

 

[Oddball]

Please show me one instance where deregulation, or as you put it "choice" has led to lower prices for consumers in utilities, education etc. Please??? I'll wait.

Trucking and airlines....Which, unlike your list, were truly deregulated.

That's two....Will you STFU now?

 

[Sinatra]

The entitlement costs of Social Security and Medicaire are the primary big money items that are forcing up the national debt so quickly. The Baby Boomer generation is now heading into those Golden Years, and wants all the drugs and care possible to live decades more, and that is buckling the system into outright insolvency.

So Dude is exactly right to point that out.

The scary thing now, is the added expense of the healthcare bill could greatly hasten the fiscal crisis looming now, and not just buckle the nation's economic system, but destroy it entirely.

The greatest hope to kick the can down the road a bit more so to speak, would be to further unleash the free market system that will in turn provide the jobs and tax base growth to sustain the system into the next generation. Unfortunately, the current crop of Big Government liberals are doing the exact opposite - intent on a European model of socialist not-really free markets that are not sustainable, as evidence by most recent events...

 

[boedicca]

If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare,
and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare,
they may take the care of religion into their own hands;
they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish
and pay them out of their public treasury;
they may take into their own hands the education of children,
establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union;
they may assume the provision of the poor;
they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads;
in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation
down to the most minute object of police,
would be thrown under the power of Congress.... Were the power
of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for,
it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature
of the limited Government established by the people of America.

~James Madison - Primary author, Constitution for the united States of America

ROFLMFAO!!! You just trumped your Washington DC/corporation shark jump and pulled the 'ultimate' JETHRO!!!

Hey Mr 'English composition' ...ever hear of hyperbole? How about exaggeration? It is often used when making an argument on the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives. Especially when the Congressman you oppose wants to legislate a precedent by paying a 'bounty' to Cod fisheries...

Cod Fishery Debates
U.S. House of Representatives
History of Congress, February 1792

YOU = Moron

The increase in federal spending is largely driven by SS and Medicare entitlements

 

[Sinatra]

~James Madison - Primary author, Constitution for the united States of America

ROFLMFAO!!! You just trumped your Washington DC/corporation shark jump and pulled the 'ultimate' JETHRO!!!

Hey Mr 'English composition' ...ever hear of hyperbole? How about exaggeration? It is often used when making an argument on the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives. Especially when the Congressman you oppose wants to legislate a precedent by paying a 'bounty' to Cod fisheries...

Cod Fishery Debates
U.S. House of Representatives
History of Congress, February 1792

YUO = Moron

The increase in federal spending is largely driven by SS and Medicare entitlements

Exactly right.

 

[traveler52]

The Republicans]

Spent money like crazy under the shrub, they loved putting America into a One Point Two Trillion Dollar National Debt.

They ******* loved it.

 

[Oddball]

Not to give the spendthrift neocon turds a pass here, but the deficit was on track to explode again after 2002, as a product of demographics catching up with entitlement programs.

While Shubbie and his congressional pom-pom club did make a bad situation worse, nobody with any power right now is reversing that course, and they are in fact doubling down on that fiscal buffoonery.

 

[Mr. Peepers]

Trucking and airlines....Which, unlike your list, were truly deregulated.

Trucking is not a necessary service aka utility, and neither are airlines, so you can STFU. This was mainly done to thwart monopolies from forming. I am talking about UTILITIES and NECESSARY SERVICES like electricity, the EPA and education.

 

[Bern80]

No, it doesn't. Please explain why when anything is deregulated, we either get criminal behavior (enron), rediculous shenanigans (toxic derivatives) or extreme price increases (Cali electricity deregulation). I guess this is why my power bill is 40% more than my parents' bill, as they are still on TVA. Even loosening regulation on big business causes problems due to pervasive greed. Please show me one instance where deregulation, or as you put it "choice" has led to lower prices for consumers in utilities, education etc. Please??? I'll wait.

Stop pretending the Enron's of the world are the rule rather than the exception. Everyone says the profit motive is what drives business. How do companies become profitable? If you think it's by having a reputation for screwing their own customer's over, you're dumber than I thought. Companies stay profitiable by doing what the customers want. THAT is the most basic directive of any successfull company. Not make money at any expense, but do what your customers want. If a company gets a bad enough reputation, it isn't going to stay in business long....provided it doesn't get propped up by federal or local government, which many do. Crony capitialism needs to end as well. Crony capitalism is NOT a free market.

As to what you said about private schools, not that I can understand what you pass off as English... if schools are run for profit, what are you goiing to do with those who cannot afford an education (which would probably be more than half your community)?

Personally I would adopt some type of tax credit in lieu of property taxes that allows parents to pay for whatever school they like.

 

[Bern80]

Trucking and airlines....Which, unlike your list, were truly deregulated.

Trucking is not a necessary service aka utility, and neither are airlines, so you can STFU. This was mainly done to thwart monopolies from forming. I am talking about UTILITIES and NECESSARY SERVICES like electricity, the EPA and education.

Monopolies in a truly free market, one that doesn't stimy entrepreneurship with endless regulations just to get off the ground, would be an unlikely occurence. Anybody with a greedy bone in their body would see the opportunity presented by doing business better than the next guy. You're fear that deregulation will lead to mass corruption is simply unrealistic. It isnt the long term best interests of a business to screw over their customers. I just don't think you realize how difficult government makes it for the free market to operate succesfully.

 

[Mr. Peepers]

It isnt the long term best interests of a business to screw over their customers. I just don't think you realize how difficult government makes it for the free market to operate succesfully.

Really? If you have so much faith in business, why is it that everytime the reigns are loosened, we get screwed in some way? Yes, businesses do screw over their customers as much as they can to make a profit - that's the nature of business. Unfortunately, that is acceptable corporate culture in this day and age. And I would bet that, like in the insurance industry, all are in collusion to keep prices as high as possible all while providing the least service. Sorry, I do not and will not place any faith or trust in the "free markets". I have seen the damage they do whenever they can get away with it. And it wasn't just Enron, sweetie, everyone was cooking their books and providing RIDICULOUS loan instruments to anyone who would take them. Did they go down? Yes, eventually, but they went down with millions in profits. I do NOT trust the private sector one bit.

 

[Oddball]

Trucking and airlines....Which, unlike your list, were truly deregulated.

Trucking is not a necessary service aka utility, and neither are airlines, so you can STFU. This was mainly done to thwart monopolies from forming. I am talking about UTILITIES and NECESSARY SERVICES like electricity, the EPA and education.

Virtually everything you see, touch and eat is delivered by trucks...If that's not an "essential service" nothing is.

But thanks for trying to deflect from the fact that real deregulation works.

 

[Mr. Peepers]

But thanks for trying to deflect from the fact that real deregulation works.

No, it doesn't. And neither the trucking industry nor the airlines are totally deregulated. You're the one that couldn't give me one example of a deregulated utility that didn't cost consumers more.

 

[rdean]

That was my point... blaming Republicans for a bridge collapse is like blaming Democrats for 9/11. Utter douchery. With all that being said, I think that while it is nice to see something from the Repubs... I think it would be even more refreshing for some harsh honesty.. something along the lines of...

Medicare Prescription drug coverage - GONE
US Departmen of Energy, Education, etc. - GONE
Unemployment Benefits - 6 months.. THAT'S IT
Foodstamps - 6 months.. THAT'S IT
Welfare - 6 months.. THAT'S IT
Death Tax - GONE
Obamacare - GONE
Financial Reform - DEAD.. do-over.
TARP - DEAD
GM - **** You... Figure it out yourself, you made this mess..
AIG - **** YOU, we want our money back.
Union Pension Bailouts - **** YOU... Figure it out yourself, you made this mess..
CA Bailout - **** YOU... Figure it out yourself, you made this mess..
Eliminate Fed jobs through attrition.
"Too Big To Fail" - I DON'T THINK SO.

Etc, etc., etc.

That'd be a nice start and refreshing to hear.

United States - GONE.

 

[rdean]

How soon they forget.

Republican/conservatives on this board are whining crybabies. They can't take the facts. They scream "liar" and when confronted with the truth, they skulk away to another thread to tell more of their lies.

Name one single federal republican policy that directly led to the I-35 bridge collapse, blockhead.

Federal policies don't lead to "bridge collapse". "NEGLECT" LEADS TO BRIDGE COLLSPE.

Does that really have to be spelled out?

What did Bush and the Republicans do for this country for 8 years? Oh, yea, except for 9/11 and 4 thousand Americans dead and 47 thousand Americans maimed in Iraq they kept us safe. Obviously, ignoring Bin Laden go was part of the plan.

And what did the do for the country? Well, look at the economy and the mining disaster and the oil spill - all products of "deregulation". How's that workin' out?