Republican ideology vs reality

[Star]

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Collectively, Republicans are a weird group -- Republicans in the State of Washington celebrated the State's Republican AG joining a lawsuit to fight-----fight tooth and nail, against finding a way to
bring affordable healthcare via Obamacare to over 200,000 of their constituents/friends/neighbors. But now-----now, after years of ideological foaming at the mouth, the Republicans are set to use Obamacare to balance their budget -- huh, are Washington State Republican lawmakers saying their ideological opposition to Obamacare was/is idiotic and they're changing their ways, or...?


Senate’s GOP is counting on Obamacare to balance budget | Seattle Times Newspaper

Sunday, April 14, 2013 - Page updated at 07:30 p.m.
By Andrew Garber
Seattle Times Olympia bureau

OLYMPIA — Republicans were at war over President Obama’s health-care law less than a year ago. The Republican state attorney general had joined a lawsuit to overturn the law, and the party’s legislators warned it would cost too much money.

Now the GOP-led state Senate is counting on Obamacare to help balance the budget, booking more than $400 million in savings from the federal program over the next two years. House Republican budget writers assume some health-care savings as well.

“We’ll take it because financially it’s better for us,” said Don Benton, R-Vancouver, Senate deputy Republican leader.

“But we don’t like it. We don’t like the policy because it moves us dramatically toward a kind of socialized, one-payer-type system


<snip>


IOW's - the Republicans are saying 'We’ll implement Obamacare because it works for us, but we don't like it because it exposes our ideological idiocy' -- Republicans are very-very bizarre collective.
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[ClosedCaption]

Hahaha

Their Ideology isn't real, its just something they like to point at until it doesn't mesh with reality, then they abandon it while continuing to tout its success

 

[Truthmatters]

yes and the internets have made it so they get busted all the time

 

[g5000]

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Collectively, Republicans are a weird group -- Republicans in the State of Washington celebrated the State's Republican AG joining a lawsuit to fight-----fight tooth and nail, against finding a way to
bring affordable healthcare via Obamacare to over 200,000 of their constituents/friends/neighbors. But now-----now, after years of ideological foaming at the mouth, the Republicans are set to use Obamacare to balance their budget -- huh, are Washington State Republican lawmakers saying their ideological opposition to Obamacare was/is idiotic and they're changing their ways, or...?


Senate&#8217;s GOP is counting on Obamacare to balance budget | Seattle Times Newspaper

Sunday, April 14, 2013 - Page updated at 07:30 p.m.
By Andrew Garber
Seattle Times Olympia bureau

OLYMPIA &#8212; Republicans were at war over President Obama&#8217;s health-care law less than a year ago. The Republican state attorney general had joined a lawsuit to overturn the law, and the party&#8217;s legislators warned it would cost too much money.

Now the GOP-led state Senate is counting on Obamacare to help balance the budget, booking more than $400 million in savings from the federal program over the next two years. House Republican budget writers assume some health-care savings as well.

&#8220;We&#8217;ll take it because financially it&#8217;s better for us,&#8221; said Don Benton, R-Vancouver, Senate deputy Republican leader.

&#8220;But we don&#8217;t like it. We don&#8217;t like the policy because it moves us dramatically toward a kind of socialized, one-payer-type system


<snip>


IOW's - the Republicans are saying 'We&#8217;ll implement Obamacare because it works for us, but we don't like it because it exposes our ideological idiocy' -- Republicans are very-very bizarre collective.
.

So you think you have a handle on reality, eh?

This is exactly how the creation of an unhealthy dependency on the federal government works. I want you to pay very close attention to this. Very close attention. You are in a unique position of being present at the beginning where you can observe exactly how it works.

The federal government is subsidizing 90 percent of the costs of Obamacare for the next few years. ObamaCare will add tens of millions of people to the states' Medicaid rolls. Adding tens of millions of people is astronically expensive, and that would completely crush the states to do so.

But here's the trick. The federal government is paying that cost...in the beginning.

By doing this, the federal government is coercing the states into cooperating. The states have no choice. They either have to accept it and craft their own state plan, or ObamaCare dictates the federal government take over their state healthcare plans and make one for them.

Six years from now, having all those tens of millions of extra people on Medicaid will be the new normal. Everyone will have become accustomed to it.

Then, in 2019, the federal government will stop paying for them. And THAT is when I want you to remember back to 2010 when you so gleefully supported ObamaCare. Because 2019 is when the shit is going to hit the fan for the states.

In 2019, the states will suddenly be getting the medical bills for all those tens of millions of people. And the next thing you hear will be your state legislators telling you your state taxes are going to have to skyrocket to pay for those people, because there would be riots in the streets if they dropped all those new people after all that time.

THAT is the reality, fool. Reality is going to hit all you rubes smack in the face in 2019. Meanwhile, Obama will be laughing his ass off in retirement on the mashed potato circuit.

 

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^Venn diagram of Republican ideology vs. reality

 

[Agit8r]

WA is somewhat unique, because we had near universal coverage for children before the Federal Law, and subsidized low cost options for low-income adults. So for our particular state budget, this is a short-term windfall.

 

[Star]

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Collectively, Republicans are a weird group -- Republicans in the State of Washington celebrated the State's Republican AG joining a lawsuit to fight-----fight tooth and nail, against finding a way to
bring affordable healthcare via Obamacare to over 200,000 of their constituents/friends/neighbors. But now-----now, after years of ideological foaming at the mouth, the Republicans are set to use Obamacare to balance their budget -- huh, are Washington State Republican lawmakers saying their ideological opposition to Obamacare was/is idiotic and they're changing their ways, or...?


Senate’s GOP is counting on Obamacare to balance budget | Seattle Times Newspaper

Sunday, April 14, 2013 - Page updated at 07:30 p.m.
By Andrew Garber
Seattle Times Olympia bureau

OLYMPIA — Republicans were at war over President Obama’s health-care law less than a year ago. The Republican state attorney general had joined a lawsuit to overturn the law, and the party’s legislators warned it would cost too much money.

Now the GOP-led state Senate is counting on Obamacare to help balance the budget, booking more than $400 million in savings from the federal program over the next two years. House Republican budget writers assume some health-care savings as well.

“We’ll take it because financially it’s better for us,” said Don Benton, R-Vancouver, Senate deputy Republican leader.

“But we don’t like it. We don’t like the policy because it moves us dramatically toward a kind of socialized, one-payer-type system


<snip>


IOW's - the Republicans are saying 'We’ll implement Obamacare because it works for us, but we don't like it because it exposes our ideological idiocy' -- Republicans are very-very bizarre collective.
.

So you think you have a handle on reality, eh?

This is exactly how the creation of an unhealthy dependency on the federal government works. I want you to pay very close attention to this. Very close attention. You are in a unique position of being present at the beginning where you can observe exactly how it works.

The federal government is subsidizing 90 percent of the costs of Obamacare for the next few years. ObamaCare will add tens of millions of people to the states' Medicaid rolls. Adding tens of millions of people is astronically expensive, and that would completely crush the states to do so.

But here's the trick. The federal government is paying that cost...in the beginning.

By doing this, the federal government is coercing the states into cooperating. The states have no choice. They either have to accept it and craft their own state plan, or ObamaCare dictates the federal government take over their state healthcare plans and make one for them.

Six years from now, having all those tens of millions of extra people on Medicaid will be the new normal. Everyone will have become accustomed to it.

Then, in 2019, the federal government will stop paying for them. And THAT is when I want you to remember back to 2010 when you so gleefully supported ObamaCare. Because 2019 is when the shit is going to hit the fan for the states.

In 2019, the states will suddenly be getting the medical bills for all those tens of millions of people. And the next thing you hear will be your state legislators telling you your state taxes are going to have to skyrocket to pay for those people, because there would be riots in the streets if they dropped all those new people after all that time.

THAT is the reality, fool. Reality is going to hit all you rubes smack in the face in 2019. Meanwhile, Obama will be laughing his ass off in retirement on the mashed potato circuit.

Really?
Yer kidding?
You want to argue cost? -- okeydoke!

If the cost of healthcare coverage is your #1 issue, you must be in favor of "Single Payer".


Medicare for All: Comparison

Single-Payer: Comparison to Current System

How Single-Payer Benefits You, Your Family and the Country
and How to Get It for the United States

Add Years to Our Lives and Life to Our Years at a Lower Cost​

A pdf version of this web page is available either to view or to print a double-sided handout.​

Current System: Complicated,
Bureaucratic, Expensive, Partial Coverage​

Non-Profit Single-Payer: Simple,
Efficient, Half the Cost, Full Coverage​

Varying degree of (unknown) benefits
– Variations among thousands of plans
– Details of coverage are often unknown until the doctor, hospital, or patient calls the insurance company to ask for approval to get health care​

All medically-necessary care in one national plan
Primary care; inpatient care; outpatient care; emergency care; prescription drugs; durable medical equipment; hearing services, long term care; palliative care; podiatric care; mental health services; dentistry; eye care; chiropractic care; substance abuse treatment​

Many Payers:
- Over 1500 health insurance companies plus an excessive number of additional programs: federal, state, and private (difficult to count)
– Result: patients pay excessive costs (below)​

Single-Payer = One-Payer:
- One non-profit, public agency, accountable to the people
- Best version of non-profit national health insurance (NHI)
- Improved Medicare for All, no longer privatized
- Result: patients will pay minimal costs (below)​

Basis: Free-Market Principles:
- The only free-market high-income country with this basis
– Focus on investors’ profits​

Basis: Principles of Social Solidarity:
- All other free-market high-income countries have NHI
- Focus on Caring … by assuring health care for all​

Astonishingly Poor Health in the USA:
- Life expectancy 30th in the world (50th as per CIA) - 19th of 19 in minimizing deaths due to preventable diseases​

Healthier society and workforce:
- More people will be able to go to the doctor
- Physicians will provide more preventive & wellness care​

Financial and emotional stress for many:
- Hardships for millions of Americans​

Peace of mind for all:
- No major medical bills, the root cause of the hardships​

Health care for some 78.5 million are either
uninsured or underinsured: 42% of 19-64 yr old adults​

Health care for all with dignity:
- Everybody In; Nobody Out. Show card & get care.​

Health care restrictions
– HMO’s: specific physicians, specific hospitals
– Restrictions: out-of-network, pre-existing conditions
– Restrictions of care based on ability to pay
– Wait Times, including infinite wait times for the uninsured​

Health care choices
– Selection of physicians, who will maintain their private practices, and selection of medical facilities
– Minimal wait times via continued wait time (queue) management as demonstrated in & out of U.S.​

Insurance plan choices
– Yearly review & decision on which insurance plan(s)
– Constant worry about the impact of your choice
on the availability of care for your loved one(s)​

Lifestyle choices. … coverage always there
- New job or loss of job
- Any profession/employment
- Leave of absence or early retirement to care for a relative​

Complex with Many Costs:
– Payment of taxes and expensive health insurance premiums by employers and individuals​

– Expensive co-pays and deductibles
– Percentage not covered by insurance
– Health care bills after the lifetime limit is exceeded
– Interest amount(s) during the payment of medical bills – Our federal and state taxes used to pay for-profit insurers:
– Incentives to health insurance companies
– Tax benefits to employers who provide health insurance
– Medicaid & many othe programs in 50 states,
many run by for-profit companies​

Simple with Minimal Costs:
Payment of taxes to the single-payer fund,
but health insurance premiums drop to zero
The cost per person will be less than half (as per HR676)
$12,500/yr income: $49/month for health care
$50,000/yr income: $198/month for health care​

– No co-pays, no deductibles (as per HR676)
– Much lower drug prices (negotiations; bulk purchasing) – Dramatically lower health care costs per family (as per HR676)
– Higher family income due to large net savings – Higher business profits, helping to keep jobs in the U.S.
– See Costs and Savings​

Results of simplicity:
– Physicians send bills to the single-payer
– Single-payer makes equitable payments promptly with minimal paperwork
– Dramatically lower costs, such as prescription drugs
– Lower average cost per business
– One risk pool: society providing health as a public good, as well as other public services already being provided as a public good​

Very poor efficiency.
– About 69% estimated efficiency
– About 31% spent on administrative functions​

Managed, influenced, and/or operated by many:
– Over 1500 private insurance companies
– Multiple federal government programs
– Fifty states with their programs
– Influence of corpporate lobbyists
– Large billing staffs in hospitals & physician offices
– fund-raisers by friends, co-workers, relatives, charities​

Also see “Current Condition” and its
U.S. Health Care Financing​

Excellent efficiency.
– About 95% or higher estimated efficiency​

Managed by one public agency:
- Insulated from the U.S. and state legislatures
- Run by regional boardsWith regions being the same geographic locations as today’s ten Medicare regions​

Results of single-payer:
Dramatic reductions in private and government bureaucracy ​

Summary About Non-Profit Single-Payer Financing:
* Simpler, more efficient
* No health insurance company bureaucracy
* Much less government bureaucracy
* Result: more benefits at a lower cost!
* The largest step the U.S. can take
to achieve quality affordable health care



And that my ideologically challenged friend-----that is reality but...
...but thanks dude/dudette-----thanks for supporting single payer healthcare coverage -- me too!
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[g5000]

Many Payers:
- Over 1500 health insurance companies plus an excessive number of additional programs: federal, state, and private (difficult to count)
&#8211; Result: patients pay excessive costs (below)​

Did you ever notice you do not buy your home, auto, and life insurance the same way you get your health insurance? Ever wonder why that is, and what it is about health insurance that we don't see in home, auto, or life insurance?

The federal government is not an active participant in the home, auto, and life insurance markets, that's why.

So explain to me why the federal government is involved in the health insurance market AND GETS TO WRITE THE RULES FOR ITS COMPETITORS.

Is it any wonder the healthcare market is all fucked up? The government has made sure the private market is a complete clusterfuck. You can't pick up the phone and buy health insurance from any one of those 1500 health insurance companies you cited. You can only buy from a select few who are geographically limited to selling only in your area.

That is completely different from the way you buy home, auto, and life insurance. With home, auto, and life insurance, you can buy insurance from any company you wish. And you get to choose which options you want, and which ones you do not want.

ObamaCare has more deeplly embedded one of the biggest drivers of cost, and that is employer provided health insurance. ObamaCare has ensured the cost of healthcare will continue to rise.

See you in 2019 when your taxes skyrocket and your health care costs are nearly double what they are now.

 

[blackhawk]

Yeah bu that liberal ideology has worked out so great in the world of reality.

 

[velvtacheeze]

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Collectively, Republicans are a weird group -- Republicans in the State of Washington celebrated the State's Republican AG joining a lawsuit to fight-----fight tooth and nail, against finding a way to
bring affordable healthcare via Obamacare to over 200,000 of their constituents/friends/neighbors. But now-----now, after years of ideological foaming at the mouth, the Republicans are set to use Obamacare to balance their budget -- huh, are Washington State Republican lawmakers saying their ideological opposition to Obamacare was/is idiotic and they're changing their ways, or...?


Senate’s GOP is counting on Obamacare to balance budget | Seattle Times Newspaper

Sunday, April 14, 2013 - Page updated at 07:30 p.m.
By Andrew Garber
Seattle Times Olympia bureau

OLYMPIA — Republicans were at war over President Obama’s health-care law less than a year ago. The Republican state attorney general had joined a lawsuit to overturn the law, and the party’s legislators warned it would cost too much money.

Now the GOP-led state Senate is counting on Obamacare to help balance the budget, booking more than $400 million in savings from the federal program over the next two years. House Republican budget writers assume some health-care savings as well.

“We’ll take it because financially it’s better for us,” said Don Benton, R-Vancouver, Senate deputy Republican leader.

“But we don’t like it. We don’t like the policy because it moves us dramatically toward a kind of socialized, one-payer-type system


<snip>


IOW's - the Republicans are saying 'We’ll implement Obamacare because it works for us, but we don't like it because it exposes our ideological idiocy' -- Republicans are very-very bizarre collective.
.

Republicans think Obamacare is worse than the Iraq War. Nuff said.

 

[buckeye45_73]

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Collectively, Republicans are a weird group -- Republicans in the State of Washington celebrated the State's Republican AG joining a lawsuit to fight-----fight tooth and nail, against finding a way to
bring affordable healthcare via Obamacare to over 200,000 of their constituents/friends/neighbors. But now-----now, after years of ideological foaming at the mouth, the Republicans are set to use Obamacare to balance their budget -- huh, are Washington State Republican lawmakers saying their ideological opposition to Obamacare was/is idiotic and they're changing their ways, or...?


Senate’s GOP is counting on Obamacare to balance budget | Seattle Times Newspaper

Sunday, April 14, 2013 - Page updated at 07:30 p.m.
By Andrew Garber
Seattle Times Olympia bureau

OLYMPIA — Republicans were at war over President Obama’s health-care law less than a year ago. The Republican state attorney general had joined a lawsuit to overturn the law, and the party’s legislators warned it would cost too much money.

Now the GOP-led state Senate is counting on Obamacare to help balance the budget, booking more than $400 million in savings from the federal program over the next two years. House Republican budget writers assume some health-care savings as well.

“We’ll take it because financially it’s better for us,” said Don Benton, R-Vancouver, Senate deputy Republican leader.

“But we don’t like it. We don’t like the policy because it moves us dramatically toward a kind of socialized, one-payer-type system


<snip>


IOW's - the Republicans are saying 'We’ll implement Obamacare because it works for us, but we don't like it because it exposes our ideological idiocy' -- Republicans are very-very bizarre collective.
.

So you think you have a handle on reality, eh?

This is exactly how the creation of an unhealthy dependency on the federal government works. I want you to pay very close attention to this. Very close attention. You are in a unique position of being present at the beginning where you can observe exactly how it works.

The federal government is subsidizing 90 percent of the costs of Obamacare for the next few years. ObamaCare will add tens of millions of people to the states' Medicaid rolls. Adding tens of millions of people is astronically expensive, and that would completely crush the states to do so.

But here's the trick. The federal government is paying that cost...in the beginning.

By doing this, the federal government is coercing the states into cooperating. The states have no choice. They either have to accept it and craft their own state plan, or ObamaCare dictates the federal government take over their state healthcare plans and make one for them.

Six years from now, having all those tens of millions of extra people on Medicaid will be the new normal. Everyone will have become accustomed to it.

Then, in 2019, the federal government will stop paying for them. And THAT is when I want you to remember back to 2010 when you so gleefully supported ObamaCare. Because 2019 is when the shit is going to hit the fan for the states.

In 2019, the states will suddenly be getting the medical bills for all those tens of millions of people. And the next thing you hear will be your state legislators telling you your state taxes are going to have to skyrocket to pay for those people, because there would be riots in the streets if they dropped all those new people after all that time.

THAT is the reality, fool. Reality is going to hit all you rubes smack in the face in 2019. Meanwhile, Obama will be laughing his ass off in retirement on the mashed potato circuit.

Well said-

So Obama is giving people, the first one is free routine.....wow spoken like a drug dealer and getting people dependant......

 

[buckeye45_73]

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Collectively, Republicans are a weird group -- Republicans in the State of Washington celebrated the State's Republican AG joining a lawsuit to fight-----fight tooth and nail, against finding a way to
bring affordable healthcare via Obamacare to over 200,000 of their constituents/friends/neighbors. But now-----now, after years of ideological foaming at the mouth, the Republicans are set to use Obamacare to balance their budget -- huh, are Washington State Republican lawmakers saying their ideological opposition to Obamacare was/is idiotic and they're changing their ways, or...?


Senate’s GOP is counting on Obamacare to balance budget | Seattle Times Newspaper

Sunday, April 14, 2013 - Page updated at 07:30 p.m.
By Andrew Garber
Seattle Times Olympia bureau

OLYMPIA — Republicans were at war over President Obama’s health-care law less than a year ago. The Republican state attorney general had joined a lawsuit to overturn the law, and the party’s legislators warned it would cost too much money.

Now the GOP-led state Senate is counting on Obamacare to help balance the budget, booking more than $400 million in savings from the federal program over the next two years. House Republican budget writers assume some health-care savings as well.

“We’ll take it because financially it’s better for us,” said Don Benton, R-Vancouver, Senate deputy Republican leader.

“But we don’t like it. We don’t like the policy because it moves us dramatically toward a kind of socialized, one-payer-type system


<snip>


IOW's - the Republicans are saying 'We’ll implement Obamacare because it works for us, but we don't like it because it exposes our ideological idiocy' -- Republicans are very-very bizarre collective.
.

Republicans think Obamacare is worse than the Iraq War. Nuff said.

and liberals dont....that's all you need to know

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Both Democrats and Republicans are Keynesians (at best) and Progressives.

The only difference between them is which Interventionalist (Keynesian) policies they want to pursue and which Progressive platform they which to promote.

That is why the United States is going down fast, no matter which party is elected, they both pursue solutions that are rooted in a failed philosophy, Keynesian economics.

So until you break your affiliation with the Democratic Party, you are equally deluded as Republicans.

Republican: I will define Rights for Group A, whilst denying rights for Group B.

Democrat: I will create Rights for Group B, whilst disparaging the rights of Group A.

Libertarian: Um, I believe in the Ninth Amendment...

So, which is better, Fascism or Communism (Republican or Democratic)?

 

[AmericanFirst]

Many Payers:
- Over 1500 health insurance companies plus an excessive number of additional programs: federal, state, and private (difficult to count)
&#8211; Result: patients pay excessive costs (below)​

Did you ever notice you do not buy your home, auto, and life insurance the same way you get your health insurance? Ever wonder why that is, and what it is about health insurance that we don't see in home, auto, or life insurance?

The federal government is not an active participant in the home, auto, and life insurance markets, that's why.

So explain to me why the federal government is involved in the health insurance market AND GETS TO WRITE THE RULES FOR ITS COMPETITORS.

Is it any wonder the healthcare market is all fucked up? The government has made sure the private market is a complete clusterfuck. You can't pick up the phone and buy health insurance from any one of those 1500 health insurance companies you cited. You can only buy from a select few who are geographically limited to selling only in your area.

That is completely different from the way you buy home, auto, and life insurance. With home, auto, and life insurance, you can buy insurance from any company you wish. And you get to choose which options you want, and which ones you do not want.

ObamaCare has more deeplly embedded one of the biggest drivers of cost, and that is employer provided health insurance. ObamaCare has ensured the cost of healthcare will continue to rise.

See you in 2019 when your taxes skyrocket and your health care costs are nearly double what they are now.

Votes.

 

[Star]

Many Payers:
- Over 1500 health insurance companies plus an excessive number of additional programs: federal, state, and private (difficult to count)​

– Result: patients pay excessive costs (below)​

Did you ever notice you do not buy your home, auto, and life insurance the same way you get your health insurance? Ever wonder why that is, and what it is about health insurance that we don't see in home, auto, or life insurance?

The federal government is not an active participant in the home, auto, and life insurance markets, that's why.

So explain to me why the federal government is involved in the health insurance market AND GETS TO WRITE THE RULES FOR ITS COMPETITORS.

Is it any wonder the healthcare market is all fucked up? The government has made sure the private market is a complete clusterfuck. You can't pick up the phone and buy health insurance from any one of those 1500 health insurance companies you cited. You can only buy from a select few who are geographically limited to selling only in your area.

That is completely different from the way you buy home, auto, and life insurance. With home, auto, and life insurance, you can buy insurance from any company you wish. And you get to choose which options you want, and which ones you do not want.

ObamaCare has more deeplly embedded one of the biggest drivers of cost, and that is employer provided health insurance. ObamaCare has ensured the cost of healthcare will continue to rise.

See you in 2019 when your taxes skyrocket and your health care costs are nearly double what they are now.

You're not making sense...
Are you saying the federal government regulates health insurance companies or-----or are you saying states don't regulate home and auto insurance companies?
.

 

[Greenbeard]

Then, in 2019, the federal government will stop paying for them. And THAT is when I want you to remember back to 2010 when you so gleefully supported ObamaCare. Because 2019 is when the shit is going to hit the fan for the states.

In 2019, the states will suddenly be getting the medical bills for all those tens of millions of people. And the next thing you hear will be your state legislators telling you your state taxes are going to have to skyrocket to pay for those people, because there would be riots in the streets if they dropped all those new people after all that time.

False.

(y) Increased FMAP for medical assistance for newly eligible mandatory individuals

&#8216;&#8216;(1) AMOUNT OF INCREASE.&#8212;Notwithstanding subsection (b), the Federal medical assistance percentage for a State that is one of the 50 States or the District of Columbia, with respect to amounts expended by such State for medical assistance for newly eligible individuals described in subclause (VIII) of section 1902(a)(10)(A)(i), shall be equal to&#8212;

&#8216;&#8216;(A) 100 percent for calendar quarters in 2014, 2015, and 2016;
&#8216;&#8216;(B) 95 percent for calendar quarters in 2017;
&#8216;&#8216;(C) 94 percent for calendar quarters in 2018;
&#8216;&#8216;(D) 93 percent for calendar quarters in 2019; and
&#8216;&#8216;(E) 90 percent for calendar quarters in 2020 and each year thereafter.​

No state ever pays for more then 10 percent the costs of people newly eligible for Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act. In fact, in 2019 the federal government is still paying 93% of the costs of the new eligibles so it's not clear why you went with that year.

 

[Old Rocks]

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Collectively, Republicans are a weird group -- Republicans in the State of Washington celebrated the State's Republican AG joining a lawsuit to fight-----fight tooth and nail, against finding a way to
bring affordable healthcare via Obamacare to over 200,000 of their constituents/friends/neighbors. But now-----now, after years of ideological foaming at the mouth, the Republicans are set to use Obamacare to balance their budget -- huh, are Washington State Republican lawmakers saying their ideological opposition to Obamacare was/is idiotic and they're changing their ways, or...?


Senate’s GOP is counting on Obamacare to balance budget | Seattle Times Newspaper

Sunday, April 14, 2013 - Page updated at 07:30 p.m.
By Andrew Garber
Seattle Times Olympia bureau

OLYMPIA — Republicans were at war over President Obama’s health-care law less than a year ago. The Republican state attorney general had joined a lawsuit to overturn the law, and the party’s legislators warned it would cost too much money.

Now the GOP-led state Senate is counting on Obamacare to help balance the budget, booking more than $400 million in savings from the federal program over the next two years. House Republican budget writers assume some health-care savings as well.

“We’ll take it because financially it’s better for us,” said Don Benton, R-Vancouver, Senate deputy Republican leader.

“But we don’t like it. We don’t like the policy because it moves us dramatically toward a kind of socialized, one-payer-type system


<snip>


IOW's - the Republicans are saying 'We’ll implement Obamacare because it works for us, but we don't like it because it exposes our ideological idiocy' -- Republicans are very-very bizarre collective.
.

So you think you have a handle on reality, eh?

This is exactly how the creation of an unhealthy dependency on the federal government works. I want you to pay very close attention to this. Very close attention. You are in a unique position of being present at the beginning where you can observe exactly how it works.

The federal government is subsidizing 90 percent of the costs of Obamacare for the next few years. ObamaCare will add tens of millions of people to the states' Medicaid rolls. Adding tens of millions of people is astronically expensive, and that would completely crush the states to do so.

But here's the trick. The federal government is paying that cost...in the beginning.

By doing this, the federal government is coercing the states into cooperating. The states have no choice. They either have to accept it and craft their own state plan, or ObamaCare dictates the federal government take over their state healthcare plans and make one for them.

Six years from now, having all those tens of millions of extra people on Medicaid will be the new normal. Everyone will have become accustomed to it.

Then, in 2019, the federal government will stop paying for them. And THAT is when I want you to remember back to 2010 when you so gleefully supported ObamaCare. Because 2019 is when the shit is going to hit the fan for the states.

In 2019, the states will suddenly be getting the medical bills for all those tens of millions of people. And the next thing you hear will be your state legislators telling you your state taxes are going to have to skyrocket to pay for those people, because there would be riots in the streets if they dropped all those new people after all that time.

THAT is the reality, fool. Reality is going to hit all you rubes smack in the face in 2019. Meanwhile, Obama will be laughing his ass off in retirement on the mashed potato circuit.

OK. We know how to put a real Health System together that costs less and has far better results than what we currently have. Canada to the north, has just such a plan. Japan, Germany, France, Denmark, Belgium, Sweden, Norway, and Finlad have such systems. Even little Costa Rica has a better system.

So, let us look at these systems and put together a system that suits our nation. Taiwan did that in 1996, no reason we cannot do the same.

 

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Collectively, Republicans are a weird group -- Republicans in the State of Washington celebrated the State's Republican AG joining a lawsuit to fight-----fight tooth and nail, against finding a way to
bring affordable healthcare via Obamacare to over 200,000 of their constituents/friends/neighbors. But now-----now, after years of ideological foaming at the mouth, the Republicans are set to use Obamacare to balance their budget -- huh, are Washington State Republican lawmakers saying their ideological opposition to Obamacare was/is idiotic and they're changing their ways, or...?


Senate’s GOP is counting on Obamacare to balance budget | Seattle Times Newspaper

Sunday, April 14, 2013 - Page updated at 07:30 p.m.
By Andrew Garber
Seattle Times Olympia bureau

OLYMPIA — Republicans were at war over President Obama’s health-care law less than a year ago. The Republican state attorney general had joined a lawsuit to overturn the law, and the party’s legislators warned it would cost too much money.

Now the GOP-led state Senate is counting on Obamacare to help balance the budget, booking more than $400 million in savings from the federal program over the next two years. House Republican budget writers assume some health-care savings as well.

“We’ll take it because financially it’s better for us,” said Don Benton, R-Vancouver, Senate deputy Republican leader.

“But we don’t like it. We don’t like the policy because it moves us dramatically toward a kind of socialized, one-payer-type system


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IOW's - the Republicans are saying 'We’ll implement Obamacare because it works for us, but we don't like it because it exposes our ideological idiocy' -- Republicans are very-very bizarre collective.
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The left lives on hysteria and emotion and promises, rather than logic. The post is based on a single assumption... Obamacare will bring "affordable health care". So far the regulations are (no exaggeration) ten feet tall on legal sized double sided paper. The administration is gearing up with thousands of IRS agents who will bring down the wrath of the federal government on any small business who fails to live up the the crazy socialist dream. If you think the economy is in trouble today just wait until the feds start locking up mom&pop grocery store owners and forcing corporations into bankruptcy. Maybe that is the revolution the left has been trying for for 40 years. IRS will terrorize Americans instead of Bill Ayers bombs.

 

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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVgOl3cETb4]"We're Number 37" - Paul Hipp - YouTube[/ame]

 

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U.S. Spends Far More for Health Care Than 12 Industrialized Nations, but Quality Varies - The Commonwealth Fund

News Release(121K PDF)

May 3, 2012, New York, NY&#8212;The United States spends more on health care than 12 other industrialized countries yet does not provide "notably superior" care, according to a new study from The Commonwealth Fund. The U.S. spent nearly $8,000 per person in 2009 on health care services, while other countries in the study spent between one-third (Japan and New Zealand) and two-thirds (Norway and Switzerland) as much. While the U.S. performs well on breast and colorectal cancer survival rates, it has among the highest rates of potentially preventable deaths from asthma and amputations due to diabetes, and rates that are no better than average for in-hospital deaths from heart attack and stroke.

Higher prices and greater use of technology appear to be the main factors driving the high rates of U.S. spending, rather than greater use of physician and hospital services, finds study author David Squires, senior research associate at The Commonwealth Fund. His report, Explaining High Health Care Spending in the United States: An International Comparison of Supply, Utilization, Prices, and Quality, presents analysis of prices and health care spending in 13 industrialized countries.

U.S. health care spending amounted to more than 17 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) in 2009, compared with 12 percent or less in other study countries. Japan&#8217;s spending, which was the lowest, amounted to less than 9 percent of GDP.