Republican Governors Are Kicking The Butts Of Democratic Governors On Covid-19 Response

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Several things to note in this article

Bottom line: on the disease side, It is impossible to find from the data any success achieved from severe lockdowns in slowing rates of infection or death. In states that have imposed severe lockdowns, infections and deaths have continued at high rates; while states that have not imposed severe lockdowns have not (at least as of yet) seen any surge in infections or deaths to remotely approach the levels in the more affected states.

This is true and it has been obvious for some time. More than not, the states with the toughest lockdown orders have the worst breakouts and their cases continue to rise, while states that waited until later and had lock downs less intrusive have seen less damage both in human casualties and economically. Texas and Florida are the second and third largest states in the country, and yet, their deaths per capita are nowhere close to that of New York, Michigan, New Jersey, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, etc. all states with severe lockdown orders still in place.

Remember two weeks ago when politicians and media pundits were condemning Georgia’s decision to deviate from the lockdown consensus and allow various businesses to resume operations? Not only has the virus curve flattened in the Peach [Tree] State. Data from the last 14 days show a welcome trend of declining new cases and deaths.

Georgia has been open for business for 15 days and despite the doom and gloom predictions from the media and so called health "experts" their confirmed cases and deaths continue on a decline

COVID-19 Status Report

These data represent confirmed cases of COVID-19 reported to the Georgia Department of Public Health.

dph.georgia.gov

President Trump even said the state was opening too soon and people in the media accused Governor Brian Kemp of wanting people to die.

Maine ranks near the bottom of states in cases and deaths and yet Governor Mills extended her orders through the end of this month, which simply does not coincide with the science. Andrew Cuomo said just the other day that he was shocked upon learning two-thirds of recent hospitalizations in New York are from people who have been staying at home. A similar conclusion was hypothesized in early April by Professor Hendrik Streeck in Heinsberg, Germany who noted "There is no significant risk of catching the disease when you go shopping. Severe outbreaks of the infection were always a result of people being closer together over a longer period of time."

Politicians all over the world rushed to make rash decisions based on scant information at the recommendation of health "experts" who, themselves, really had no clue what was going on and were relying on fundamentally flawed models (IHME) that were astronomically off the mark. Now that we're two months into this and we are collecting more data it would seem that these heavy handed actions inflicting personal hardship on tens of millions of people in our country who weren't sick may not have been the way to go. Despite that, Democratic governors are still mostly digging their heals in and one has to wonder if this is more about politics and saving face at this point than it is science.

 

[toobfreak]

Several things to note in this article

Bottom line: on the disease side, It is impossible to find from the data any success achieved from severe lockdowns in slowing rates of infection or death. In states that have imposed severe lockdowns, infections and deaths have continued at high rates; while states that have not imposed severe lockdowns have not (at least as of yet) seen any surge in infections or deaths to remotely approach the levels in the more affected states.

This is true and it has been obvious for some time. More than not, the states with the toughest lockdown orders have the worst breakouts and their cases continue to rise, while states that waited until later and had lock downs less intrusive have seen less damage both in human casualties and economically. Texas and Florida are the second and third largest states in the country, and yet, their deaths per capita are nowhere close to that of New York, Michigan, New Jersey, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, etc. all states with severe lockdown orders still in place.

Remember two weeks ago when politicians and media pundits were condemning Georgia’s decision to deviate from the lockdown consensus and allow various businesses to resume operations? Not only has the virus curve flattened in the Peach [Tree] State. Data from the last 14 days show a welcome trend of declining new cases and deaths.

Georgia has been open for business for 15 days and despite the doom and gloom predictions from the media and so called health "experts" their confirmed cases and deaths continue on a decline

COVID-19 Status Report

These data represent confirmed cases of COVID-19 reported to the Georgia Department of Public Health.

dph.georgia.gov

President Trump even said the state was opening too soon and people in the media accused Governor Brian Kemp of wanting people to die.

Maine ranks near the bottom of states in cases and deaths and yet Governor Mills extended her orders through the end of this month, which simply does not coincide with the science. Andrew Cuomo said just the other day that he was shocked upon learning two-thirds of recent hospitalizations in New York are from people who have been staying at home. A similar conclusion was hypothesized in early April by Professor Hendrik Streeck in Heinsberg, Germany who noted "There is no significant risk of catching the disease when you go shopping. Severe outbreaks of the infection were always a result of people being closer together over a longer period of time."

Politicians all over the world rushed to make rash decisions based on scant information at the recommendation of health "experts" who, themselves, really had no clue what was going on and were relying on fundamentally flawed models (IHME) that were astronomically off the mark. Now that we're two months into this and we are collecting more data it would seem that these heavy handed actions inflicting personal hardship on tens of millions of people in our country who weren't sick may not have been the way to go. Despite that, Democratic governors are still mostly digging their heals in and one has to wonder if this is more about politics and saving face at this point than it is science.

Makes good sense to me. I can see where quarantining yourself in a closed environment with others concentrating the viral cloud could be worse than being up, active, moving about, out in open fresh air and with only a very limited brief exposure to any one person.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Several things to note in this article

Bottom line: on the disease side, It is impossible to find from the data any success achieved from severe lockdowns in slowing rates of infection or death. In states that have imposed severe lockdowns, infections and deaths have continued at high rates; while states that have not imposed severe lockdowns have not (at least as of yet) seen any surge in infections or deaths to remotely approach the levels in the more affected states.

This is true and it has been obvious for some time. More than not, the states with the toughest lockdown orders have the worst breakouts and their cases continue to rise, while states that waited until later and had lock downs less intrusive have seen less damage both in human casualties and economically. Texas and Florida are the second and third largest states in the country, and yet, their deaths per capita are nowhere close to that of New York, Michigan, New Jersey, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, etc. all states with severe lockdown orders still in place.

Remember two weeks ago when politicians and media pundits were condemning Georgia’s decision to deviate from the lockdown consensus and allow various businesses to resume operations? Not only has the virus curve flattened in the Peach [Tree] State. Data from the last 14 days show a welcome trend of declining new cases and deaths.

Georgia has been open for business for 15 days and despite the doom and gloom predictions from the media and so called health "experts" their confirmed cases and deaths continue on a decline

COVID-19 Status Report

These data represent confirmed cases of COVID-19 reported to the Georgia Department of Public Health.

dph.georgia.gov

President Trump even said the state was opening too soon and people in the media accused Governor Brian Kemp of wanting people to die.

Maine ranks near the bottom of states in cases and deaths and yet Governor Mills extended her orders through the end of this month, which simply does not coincide with the science. Andrew Cuomo said just the other day that he was shocked upon learning two-thirds of recent hospitalizations in New York are from people who have been staying at home. A similar conclusion was hypothesized in early April by Professor Hendrik Streeck in Heinsberg, Germany who noted "There is no significant risk of catching the disease when you go shopping. Severe outbreaks of the infection were always a result of people being closer together over a longer period of time."

Politicians all over the world rushed to make rash decisions based on scant information at the recommendation of health "experts" who, themselves, really had no clue what was going on and were relying on fundamentally flawed models (IHME) that were astronomically off the mark. Now that we're two months into this and we are collecting more data it would seem that these heavy handed actions inflicting personal hardship on tens of millions of people in our country who weren't sick may not have been the way to go. Despite that, Democratic governors are still mostly digging their heals in and one has to wonder if this is more about politics and saving face at this point than it is science.

Hmm. Jury is out. Again, talk to me in two or three weeks. Then we can discuss if opening back up was a wise idea.
Worldwide coronavirus cases cross 4 million; more than 2,500 new cases in Florida since reopening Monday

 

[Billy_Bob]

Several things to note in this article

Bottom line: on the disease side, It is impossible to find from the data any success achieved from severe lockdowns in slowing rates of infection or death. In states that have imposed severe lockdowns, infections and deaths have continued at high rates; while states that have not imposed severe lockdowns have not (at least as of yet) seen any surge in infections or deaths to remotely approach the levels in the more affected states.

This is true and it has been obvious for some time. More than not, the states with the toughest lockdown orders have the worst breakouts and their cases continue to rise, while states that waited until later and had lock downs less intrusive have seen less damage both in human casualties and economically. Texas and Florida are the second and third largest states in the country, and yet, their deaths per capita are nowhere close to that of New York, Michigan, New Jersey, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, etc. all states with severe lockdown orders still in place.

Remember two weeks ago when politicians and media pundits were condemning Georgia’s decision to deviate from the lockdown consensus and allow various businesses to resume operations? Not only has the virus curve flattened in the Peach [Tree] State. Data from the last 14 days show a welcome trend of declining new cases and deaths.

Georgia has been open for business for 15 days and despite the doom and gloom predictions from the media and so called health "experts" their confirmed cases and deaths continue on a decline

COVID-19 Status Report

These data represent confirmed cases of COVID-19 reported to the Georgia Department of Public Health.

dph.georgia.gov

President Trump even said the state was opening too soon and people in the media accused Governor Brian Kemp of wanting people to die.

Maine ranks near the bottom of states in cases and deaths and yet Governor Mills extended her orders through the end of this month, which simply does not coincide with the science. Andrew Cuomo said just the other day that he was shocked upon learning two-thirds of recent hospitalizations in New York are from people who have been staying at home. A similar conclusion was hypothesized in early April by Professor Hendrik Streeck in Heinsberg, Germany who noted "There is no significant risk of catching the disease when you go shopping. Severe outbreaks of the infection were always a result of people being closer together over a longer period of time."

Politicians all over the world rushed to make rash decisions based on scant information at the recommendation of health "experts" who, themselves, really had no clue what was going on and were relying on fundamentally flawed models (IHME) that were astronomically off the mark. Now that we're two months into this and we are collecting more data it would seem that these heavy handed actions inflicting personal hardship on tens of millions of people in our country who weren't sick may not have been the way to go. Despite that, Democratic governors are still mostly digging their heals in and one has to wonder if this is more about politics and saving face at this point than it is science.

Isolation is only useful in the first few weeks of a pandemic. Slowing the spread works but it only works for about three to five weeks as people still need to get out and get food and other supplies. At that point one person infects the whole group in close proximity. Sun light kills the viruses and being out with distancing does more good for both mental health and physical health.

The key is distance and time.. There are other things you can do as well like hand washing and not touching your face.

Bottom line is reasonable items will stop its transmission. And once you determine the vulnerable populations you take further precautions but you dont close down for very long.

 

[Siete]

it matters not that Tx an Cali are far less congested than smaller states like NY - some places in Tx you can drive 100 miles without seeing a town - in NYC you cant swing a cat without hitting your neighbor ...

write that down

 

[Zander]

Staying indoors weakens your immune system.

Wearing a mask also helps to make you sick.

UPDATED: Wearing a mask incorrectly while healthy might actually make you sick

Health officials now recommend that individuals in public should be wearing a mask or face-covering in public, but they also stress that it should be done correctly to make sure they don't get sick from wearing it improperly.

kslnewsradio.com

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Hmm. Jury is out. Again, talk to me in two or three weeks. Then we can discuss if opening back up was a wise idea.
Worldwide coronavirus cases cross 4 million; more than 2,500 new cases in Florida since reopening Monday

Whether or not you open your state today or two months from now you are going to see new cases. That is inevitable as there is no cure or no vaccine and nobody ever claimed the lockdowns were to prevent new cases. The question is how much collateral damage are you willing to accept by not opening?

 

[miketx]

Speaking of quarantines and isolation, in a normal world you only do that to sick people.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

it matters not that Tx an Cali are far less congested than smaller states like NY - some places in Tx you can drive 100 miles without seeing a town - in NYC you cant swing a cat without hitting your neighbor ...

write that down

That may be a factor, but Connecticut isn’t and it has the third highest rate of deaths. Massachusetts has the fourth highest and it also doesn’t have the density of New York. Plus, the bay area, Los Angeles county, and orange county are pretty crammed with people, not in the same sense of NYC, but still very packed compared to most areas of the country.

 

[Wyatt earp]

I just read the other day they found the virus in seamen, so don't go on subs or have sex...

 

[berg80]

Republican Governors Are Kicking The Butts Of Democratic Governors On Covid-19 Response


In terms of exposing more of their citizens to the risk of getting COVID-19, yes.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Republican Governors Are Kicking The Butts Of Democratic Governors On Covid-19 Response


In terms of exposing more of their citizens to the risk of getting COVID-19, yes.

If you wish to spend your life wallowing in ignorance, that is certainly your right, but I honestly don’t know why anybody would want to do that

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Hmm. Jury is out. Again, talk to me in two or three weeks. Then we can discuss if opening back up was a wise idea.
Worldwide coronavirus cases cross 4 million; more than 2,500 new cases in Florida since reopening Monday

Whether or not you open your state today or two months from now you are going to see new cases. That is an evitable as there is no cure or no vaccine and nobody ever claimed the lockdowns were to prevent new cases. The question is how much collateral damage are you willing to accept by not opening?

The collateral damage is done. Some parts of the economy may never be the same. And I'm not convinced that companies will honor keeping their employees when things wind back up. Until an approved course of treatment and/or a vaccine is developed, the only hope is to keep the virus in check. In other words, a draw. Otherwise, the only place to head is downhill. I sincerely hope that doesn't happen.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Staying indoors weakens your immune system.

Wearing a mask also helps to make you sick.

UPDATED: Wearing a mask incorrectly while healthy might actually make you sick

Health officials now recommend that individuals in public should be wearing a mask or face-covering in public, but they also stress that it should be done correctly to make sure they don't get sick from wearing it improperly.

kslnewsradio.com

Paper masks break down and cause particulates to flow into the lungs. ITs one reason I dont like them but they do slow infection rates in an infectious environments. There are both good and bad points.

 

[Blaine Sweeter]

Several things to note in this article

Bottom line: on the disease side, It is impossible to find from the data any success achieved from severe lockdowns in slowing rates of infection or death. In states that have imposed severe lockdowns, infections and deaths have continued at high rates; while states that have not imposed severe lockdowns have not (at least as of yet) seen any surge in infections or deaths to remotely approach the levels in the more affected states.

This is true and it has been obvious for some time. More than not, the states with the toughest lockdown orders have the worst breakouts and their cases continue to rise, while states that waited until later and had lock downs less intrusive have seen less damage both in human casualties and economically. Texas and Florida are the second and third largest states in the country, and yet, their deaths per capita are nowhere close to that of New York, Michigan, New Jersey, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, etc. all states with severe lockdown orders still in place.

Remember two weeks ago when politicians and media pundits were condemning Georgia’s decision to deviate from the lockdown consensus and allow various businesses to resume operations? Not only has the virus curve flattened in the Peach [Tree] State. Data from the last 14 days show a welcome trend of declining new cases and deaths.

Georgia has been open for business for 15 days and despite the doom and gloom predictions from the media and so called health "experts" their confirmed cases and deaths continue on a decline

COVID-19 Status Report

These data represent confirmed cases of COVID-19 reported to the Georgia Department of Public Health.

dph.georgia.gov

President Trump even said the state was opening too soon and people in the media accused Governor Brian Kemp of wanting people to die.

Maine ranks near the bottom of states in cases and deaths and yet Governor Mills extended her orders through the end of this month, which simply does not coincide with the science. Andrew Cuomo said just the other day that he was shocked upon learning two-thirds of recent hospitalizations in New York are from people who have been staying at home. A similar conclusion was hypothesized in early April by Professor Hendrik Streeck in Heinsberg, Germany who noted "There is no significant risk of catching the disease when you go shopping. Severe outbreaks of the infection were always a result of people being closer together over a longer period of time."

Politicians all over the world rushed to make rash decisions based on scant information at the recommendation of health "experts" who, themselves, really had no clue what was going on and were relying on fundamentally flawed models (IHME) that were astronomically off the mark. Now that we're two months into this and we are collecting more data it would seem that these heavy handed actions inflicting personal hardship on tens of millions of people in our country who weren't sick may not have been the way to go. Despite that, Democratic governors are still mostly digging their heals in and one has to wonder if this is more about politics and saving face at this point than it is science.

Hmmm....Then there's this:

Florida officials are no longer publishing the state's medical examiners' coronavirus death data

The death data from Florida's medical examiners "is no different than any other public record," Dr. Stephen Nelson told the Tampa Bay Times.

www.businessinsider.com

Florida medical examiners were releasing coronavirus death data. The state made them stop.

When the medical examiners’ list was available, it showed more deaths than the state’s count.

www.tampabay.com

Florida ordered coroners to stop releasing coronavirus death data: report

Florida officials have reportedly withheld medical examiners’ data on coronavirus deaths in the state for over a week, with the policy changing shortly after the Tampa Bay Times reported that …

thehill.com

 

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[Billy_Bob]

I just read the other day they found the virus in seamen, so don't go on subs or have sex...

Well DUH! ITS A BODILY SECRETION!

 

[HenryBHough]

In New York the lemmings would believe their governor if he announced that masks are out and wearing a brown sock on one foot and a yellow one on the other is his imperial new mandate. There'd be an immediate shortage of socks. If yellow went out of stock first liberals would put a black sock on one foot and a white one on the other then piss down their leg to CONFORM. If brown ran out first.....I shudder to think how many people-of-color might be flayed......

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Several things to note in this article

Bottom line: on the disease side, It is impossible to find from the data any success achieved from severe lockdowns in slowing rates of infection or death. In states that have imposed severe lockdowns, infections and deaths have continued at high rates; while states that have not imposed severe lockdowns have not (at least as of yet) seen any surge in infections or deaths to remotely approach the levels in the more affected states.

This is true and it has been obvious for some time. More than not, the states with the toughest lockdown orders have the worst breakouts and their cases continue to rise, while states that waited until later and had lock downs less intrusive have seen less damage both in human casualties and economically. Texas and Florida are the second and third largest states in the country, and yet, their deaths per capita are nowhere close to that of New York, Michigan, New Jersey, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, etc. all states with severe lockdown orders still in place.

Remember two weeks ago when politicians and media pundits were condemning Georgia’s decision to deviate from the lockdown consensus and allow various businesses to resume operations? Not only has the virus curve flattened in the Peach [Tree] State. Data from the last 14 days show a welcome trend of declining new cases and deaths.

Georgia has been open for business for 15 days and despite the doom and gloom predictions from the media and so called health "experts" their confirmed cases and deaths continue on a decline

COVID-19 Status Report

These data represent confirmed cases of COVID-19 reported to the Georgia Department of Public Health.

dph.georgia.gov

President Trump even said the state was opening too soon and people in the media accused Governor Brian Kemp of wanting people to die.

Maine ranks near the bottom of states in cases and deaths and yet Governor Mills extended her orders through the end of this month, which simply does not coincide with the science. Andrew Cuomo said just the other day that he was shocked upon learning two-thirds of recent hospitalizations in New York are from people who have been staying at home. A similar conclusion was hypothesized in early April by Professor Hendrik Streeck in Heinsberg, Germany who noted "There is no significant risk of catching the disease when you go shopping. Severe outbreaks of the infection were always a result of people being closer together over a longer period of time."

Politicians all over the world rushed to make rash decisions based on scant information at the recommendation of health "experts" who, themselves, really had no clue what was going on and were relying on fundamentally flawed models (IHME) that were astronomically off the mark. Now that we're two months into this and we are collecting more data it would seem that these heavy handed actions inflicting personal hardship on tens of millions of people in our country who weren't sick may not have been the way to go. Despite that, Democratic governors are still mostly digging their heals in and one has to wonder if this is more about politics and saving face at this point than it is science.

It will be interesting to look back and see what methods made what differences. Much of the disparity in the comparisons could be a function of time, testing, and voluntary actions by residents.

 

[Wyatt earp]

I just read the other day they found the virus in seamen, so don't go on subs or have sex...

Well DUH! ITS A BODILY SECRETION!

They kept telling us the only way you get it is by eating other people's boogers.

Say it don't spray it.

Now it's a gay virus.

Lol