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[Sun Devil 92]

After reflecting on that a bit, I have come to the conclusion that we on the right are too busy earning a living, taking care of our own future, and providing for ourselves and our loved ones to be all that passionate about politics and candidates and campaigns and such. And because we are the group that is much more willing to live and let live we tend to shrug and get on with our lives and don't get too concerned with those who hate us and everything we stand for.

And just how did you reach that conclusion ?

I'd really like to know.

If you are putting forth an opinion (a conclusion somehow implies you evaluated evidence), I'd like to know that before I jump all over it.

 

[hortysir]

Marco Rubio takes digs at Hillary Clinton on constant scandal age - Washington Times

Pretty good Rubio piece.
Gotta scroll past ads to get to the meat of it

 

[Sun Devil 92]

And we may be doing ourselves harm. Look how much we have allowed the haters and leftwing media and opposing politicians, even in our own parties, to marginalize and demonize the Tea Party movement and similar grass roots effort for reform. Many who are personally sympathetic to Tea Party etc. ideals and goals for reform shy away from identifying with such groups or join with the opposition to criticize them.

And because we are that way, we are allowing 'them' to control the message, the agenda, and the direction the country is going.

The Tea Party has no more claim to a place in the public arena than anyone else.

The fact that they can't seem to manage their PR is nobody's fault but their own. I had considered joining a local group once, but I become disenchanted by all the wackjobs who seemed to be out in front.

When the Tea Party leans how to put together a good message and organize at the grassroots level (which means not putting the whackjobs in charge....and, in fact, telling them to STFU or get out), they might become more relevant in today's political world.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

My favorite candidate is one who focuses on his message and does not tear at anyone else.

So far, I have not seen one who will do that.

The GOP is going to let the candidates feast on each other so that the dem will have all kinds of fodder for the general.

I'll vote for anyone who does not attack another republican or the opposing side, but instead works on polishing and refining their message so that I understand it and am not trying to sort out the negative crap.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Ok I am going to state a case for a number of issues in the context of a platform for the presidential candidate. 2 a guy this is your thread and if you don't want it to go this way please tell me. You won't hurt my feelings. It feels like a cocoon here and it inspires thought instead of frustration. But viewer warning, some of my suggestions may be controversial. But I do not subscribe to the pigeonholing of people to certain categories, or the myth that leadership cannot bond diverse opinions together.

Minimum wage. I think the min wage should go to 10 an hour but I think neither the person or the business should pay any taxes to the govt for the first year. All the money would go to the worker and the business would not be handicapped by increased taxes. More,people,would be hired. Republicans would look good.

Free Trade. I know this will sound simplistic but Jim Cramer on squawk on the street said it so succinctly. Trade deals have not worked. We have entered into all these trade deals and we still have a huge trade deficit. Trade has not helped this country but benefitted our competitors. Just quit it and focus on jobs in this country. This is an attention getter.

Immigration. I have said this before. Document all the illegals and give them a card with a big red line in it. They can get a drivers license and work and don't have to look over their shoulder. No citizenship, they can get in line like everyone else. No benefits, no welfare, no food stamps, but no hassle. Militarize the border and no one gets in illegally. People,who don't follow this plan get sent back immediately without fail.

Ceo pay. I have not figured out a way to punish companies for outrageous reimbursement without stepping on people's rights, so I think this is a case that will have to be waged by jawboning. Public pressure will,have to be brought to bear and you know what, it doesn't cost anything. It is not anti-conservative to point out the obscenity that is ceo pay. Some may call this demagoguery but this is exhibit A for income inequality which republicans have to talk about. Don't get me wrong about this, I think individuals should be rewarded for their efforts or their inventions or their talents or success they bring to their companies, but executives should have the humility to recognize they didn't do it alone and their employees deserve a mentor not a king.

Republicans have to be realists. But it is time to be creative not rigid. Focus the campaign on what is best for America not just what is comfortable for the base. New and improved anyone?

Yeah, thanks non republican for putting that crap in.

But it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS what a business pays their CEO. Did that ever occur to you?

If Chick Fil A or Sony wants to pay their CEO a million dollars an hour, that's their business AND NONE OF YOURS.

Welcome to a free country. People are free. Even to pay a CEO more than YOU think they are worth.

What is it with liberals that they can't stand someone else besides liberal politicians are making money!

If it is a privately held corporation. But in a publicly traded company, sotckholders have no way of stopping this kind of theft.

Ayup... the CEO oligarchy over CEO pay in publicly traded companies needed to be ended a LONG time ago. The stockholders should have some say in the pay structure of it's executive chain.

Did it ever occur to you the stock holders don't care as long as that highly paid CEO is earning them dividends?

They do care. It's not just the CEO, it's the entire Executive Chain, that is setting it's own salary in spite of stock holder wishes.

Essentially you have a choice invest or don't invest. But if you invest, the Executive chain takes the profit they want to take and the owners of the company have no say in it.

I'll be keenly interested to see if any of the candidates will work to make sure that stockholder rights are preserved.

 

[Ernie S.]

Minimum wage. I think the min wage should go to 10 an hour but I think neither the person or the business should pay any taxes to the govt for the first year. All the money would go to the worker and the business would not be handicapped by increased taxes. More,people,would be hired. Republicans would look good.

Free Trade. I know this will sound simplistic but Jim Cramer on squawk on the street said it so succinctly. Trade deals have not worked. We have entered into all these trade deals and we still have a huge trade deficit. Trade has not helped this country but benefitted our competitors. Just quit it and focus on jobs in this country. This is an attention getter.

Immigration. I have said this before. Document all the illegals and give them a card with a big red line in it. They can get a drivers license and work and don't have to look over their shoulder. No citizenship, they can get in line like everyone else. No benefits, no welfare, no food stamps, but no hassle. Militarize the border and no one gets in illegally. People,who don't follow this plan get sent back immediately without fail.

Ceo pay. I have not figured out a way to punish companies for outrageous reimbursement without stepping on people's rights, so I think this is a case that will have to be waged by jawboning. Public pressure will,have to be brought to bear and you know what, it doesn't cost anything. It is not anti-conservative to point out the obscenity that is ceo pay. Some may call this demagoguery but this is exhibit A for income inequality which republicans have to talk about. Don't get me wrong about this, I think individuals should be rewarded for their efforts or their inventions or their talents or success they bring to their companies, but executives should have the humility to recognize they didn't do it alone and their employees deserve a mentor not a king.

Republicans have to be realists. But it is time to be creative not rigid. Focus the campaign on what is best for America not just what is comfortable for the base. New and improved anyone?

As for CEO pay, the ONLY way to retain liberty and deal with that is to restore small business as the backbone of the country, and we do that by getting big government off the back of small business so they can compete with big business. Right now all the advantage is with the huge mega corporations who pay those huge salaries to their CEOS. Government regulation doesn't hurt them all that much. But it devastates small business and makes it almost impossible for them to compete. Give the big corporations serious competition and they will change their ways voluntarily to protect their profits.

Snipped to what I'm intending to comment on.

Take my business, for example. I must buy hard liquor from state run stores. Privately owned stores frequently have better prices, but ABC (Alabama Beverage Control) has us over a barrel.

Wine and beer come from state licensed private sector distributors.
Anheuser Busch products from one, Miller from another and a few imports and wines from a third.
That's it! there is no competition. If I want to sell Bud Lite, I have to buy it from Bud- Busch, Loxley.

In all fairness, all bars have the same distributers, but a place like Wal-Mart that sells 60 cases of Miller Lite a day gets a much better price than a neighborhood bar that sells 14 cases a week.
Wal-Mart can actually sell beer cheaper than I can buy it.
I think that if the state is going to restrict who I can buy product from, they should demand distributers charge the same price to all customers.

Preferably, the state should remove the monopoly these distributers hold and allow me to buy product from who ever gives me the best price.

Bars seem to be the last of the mom and pops.

I feel for you, no one is out there to help the small independent business. Maybe all the bars in the area can form a co-op and purchase as a group.


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Can't happen under current law. Hell If I run out of Jack Daniels, I can go up the street to another bar with a road house license and buy a bottle 24 hours a day (in the county} up to 2AM in city limits), but I can't sell it at my bar. All alcohol products must be ordered by and billed to the establishment selling them. They MUST be purchased only from the monopolies the state has set up.

There is legislation in the pipe that would end the ABC stores and one version gets rid of the beer and wine monopolies as well.

 

[Ernie S.]

If it is a privately held corporation. But in a publicly traded company, sotckholders have no way of stopping this kind of theft.

But there is no 'theft' involved in those mega salaries and I personally think it is ethically problematic to try to pressure a company that is not doing anything unethical. And it is purely voluntary whether or not we do business with a private business as opposed to whether we support the permanent political class in Washington who have the power to enrich themselves at our expense. IMO that is where you need to focus your anger and resentment.

And here we have a huge disconnect on the part of someone who obviously does not understand how this system works.

I find it almost hysterical (and I mean that) that you would go after politicians and not the top brass at large companies.

They are almost one in the same and they are deep in bed together.

You didn't see the site on the CEO's who'se companies lost money big time and were fired with 30 million dollar golden parachutes ?

Do you know what a contract is? Many people sign them when they assume a position.

 

[Foxfyre]

And we may be doing ourselves harm. Look how much we have allowed the haters and leftwing media and opposing politicians, even in our own parties, to marginalize and demonize the Tea Party movement and similar grass roots effort for reform. Many who are personally sympathetic to Tea Party etc. ideals and goals for reform shy away from identifying with such groups or join with the opposition to criticize them.

And because we are that way, we are allowing 'them' to control the message, the agenda, and the direction the country is going.

The Tea Party has no more claim to a place in the public arena than anyone else.

The fact that they can't seem to manage their PR is nobody's fault but their own. I had considered joining a local group once, but I become disenchanted by all the wackjobs who seemed to be out in front.

When the Tea Party leans how to put together a good message and organize at the grassroots level (which means not putting the whackjobs in charge....and, in fact, telling them to STFU or get out), they might become more relevant in today's political world.

The Tea Party has not mismanaged their PR. They were targeted by the establishment in Congress--both GOP and Dem who didn't want the completion, trashed by the mainstream median and by the left on message boards, and denied fund raising ability by the current administrationso that they could not as effectively counter the negative press. Remember the IRS scandals?

Nor have they demanded any privilege or voice more than any other group is allowed. And who are the 'whackjobs'? Those identified by the permanent political class in Washington, the mainstream media, and others who want the Tea Party silenced? Those accused of all sorts of things the Tea Party has never stood for? Those the gullible among us believe from a dishonest press?

I'll admit the Tea Party has had terrible press. But it, and others like it, is the true grass roots reform movement. We can help the professional politicians and self serving groups marginalize and demonize them. Or we can give them an opportunity to make their case. So far, I have mostly liked the case they have made.

If we refuse to do that, it honestly isn't going to make any difference who we elect to Congress or the White House. One group may take us to hell in a hand basket a little slower, but they'll both take us there.

 

[Foxfyre]

If it is a privately held corporation. But in a publicly traded company, sotckholders have no way of stopping this kind of theft.

But there is no 'theft' involved in those mega salaries and I personally think it is ethically problematic to try to pressure a company that is not doing anything unethical. And it is purely voluntary whether or not we do business with a private business as opposed to whether we support the permanent political class in Washington who have the power to enrich themselves at our expense. IMO that is where you need to focus your anger and resentment.

And here we have a huge disconnect on the part of someone who obviously does not understand how this system works.

I find it almost hysterical (and I mean that) that you would go after politicians and not the top brass at large companies.

They are almost one in the same and they are deep in bed together.

You didn't see the site on the CEO's who'se companies lost money big time and were fired with 30 million dollar golden parachutes ?

I will say with a good deal of confidence that nobody on this thread or this site has a clue what I do and do not understand. Before you specify such assumption I would invite you to read over my Extortion thread. It was either to wordy to too tedious or too hard to understand to attract a lot of attention, but it spells it all out for anybody with an interest in the subject to see how Congress and big business interact.

But the guy with a golden parachute got it because it was written into his contract when he was made CEO of a company. It is no different that the severance pay I have been guaranteed when I went to work for somebody.

But let me ask you. Whose money it is that an executive gets paid. Yours? Mine? What is it to you what he or she gets paid?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

If it is a privately held corporation. But in a publicly traded company, sotckholders have no way of stopping this kind of theft.

But there is no 'theft' involved in those mega salaries and I personally think it is ethically problematic to try to pressure a company that is not doing anything unethical. And it is purely voluntary whether or not we do business with a private business as opposed to whether we support the permanent political class in Washington who have the power to enrich themselves at our expense. IMO that is where you need to focus your anger and resentment.

And here we have a huge disconnect on the part of someone who obviously does not understand how this system works.

I find it almost hysterical (and I mean that) that you would go after politicians and not the top brass at large companies.

They are almost one in the same and they are deep in bed together.

You didn't see the site on the CEO's who'se companies lost money big time and were fired with 30 million dollar golden parachutes ?

Do you know what a contract is? Many people sign them when they assume a position.

The logical extension of that is that shareholders should not allow such stupid and corrupt contracts to be signed.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

If it is a privately held corporation. But in a publicly traded company, sotckholders have no way of stopping this kind of theft.

But there is no 'theft' involved in those mega salaries and I personally think it is ethically problematic to try to pressure a company that is not doing anything unethical. And it is purely voluntary whether or not we do business with a private business as opposed to whether we support the permanent political class in Washington who have the power to enrich themselves at our expense. IMO that is where you need to focus your anger and resentment.

And here we have a huge disconnect on the part of someone who obviously does not understand how this system works.

I find it almost hysterical (and I mean that) that you would go after politicians and not the top brass at large companies.

They are almost one in the same and they are deep in bed together.

You didn't see the site on the CEO's who'se companies lost money big time and were fired with 30 million dollar golden parachutes ?

I will say with a good deal of confidence that nobody on this thread or this site has a clue what I do and do not understand. Before you specify such assumption I would invite you to read over my Extortion thread. It was either to wordy to too tedious or too hard to understand to attract a lot of attention, but it spells it all out for anybody with an interest in the subject to see how Congress and big business interact.

But the guy with a golden parachute got it because it was written into his contract when he was made CEO of a company. It is no different that the severance pay I have been guaranteed when I went to work for somebody.

But let me ask you. Whose money it is that an executive gets paid. Yours? Mine? What is it to you what he or she gets paid?

If I am a stockholder...it is my money.

Now what was the question ?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

And we may be doing ourselves harm. Look how much we have allowed the haters and leftwing media and opposing politicians, even in our own parties, to marginalize and demonize the Tea Party movement and similar grass roots effort for reform. Many who are personally sympathetic to Tea Party etc. ideals and goals for reform shy away from identifying with such groups or join with the opposition to criticize them.

And because we are that way, we are allowing 'them' to control the message, the agenda, and the direction the country is going.

The Tea Party has no more claim to a place in the public arena than anyone else.

The fact that they can't seem to manage their PR is nobody's fault but their own. I had considered joining a local group once, but I become disenchanted by all the wackjobs who seemed to be out in front.

When the Tea Party leans how to put together a good message and organize at the grassroots level (which means not putting the whackjobs in charge....and, in fact, telling them to STFU or get out), they might become more relevant in today's political world.

The Tea Party has not mismanaged their PR. They were targeted by the establishment in Congress--both GOP and Dem who didn't want the completion, trashed by the mainstream median and by the left on message boards, and denied fund raising ability by the current administrationso that they could not as effectively counter the negative press. Remember the IRS scandals?

Nor have they demanded any privilege or voice more than any other group is allowed. And who are the 'whackjobs'? Those identified by the permanent political class in Washington, the mainstream media, and others who want the Tea Party silenced? Those accused of all sorts of things the Tea Party has never stood for? Those the gullible among us believe from a dishonest press?

I'll admit the Tea Party has had terrible press. But it, and others like it, is the true grass roots reform movement. We can help the professional politicians and self serving groups marginalize and demonize them. Or we can give them an opportunity to make their case. So far, I have mostly liked the case they have made.

If we refuse to do that, it honestly isn't going to make any difference who we elect to Congress or the White House. One group may take us to hell in a hand basket a little slower, but they'll both take us there.

Sam Brownback has done a great deal to give the Tea Party a bad name.

And I can't even tell you if he belongs to the Tea Party or not.

The press has been able to use him to cream the Tea Party though.

And they've done little to fight it off.

They have completely mismanaged their PR. They are not united.

 

[Ernie S.]

If it is a privately held corporation. But in a publicly traded company, sotckholders have no way of stopping this kind of theft.

But there is no 'theft' involved in those mega salaries and I personally think it is ethically problematic to try to pressure a company that is not doing anything unethical. And it is purely voluntary whether or not we do business with a private business as opposed to whether we support the permanent political class in Washington who have the power to enrich themselves at our expense. IMO that is where you need to focus your anger and resentment.

And here we have a huge disconnect on the part of someone who obviously does not understand how this system works.

I find it almost hysterical (and I mean that) that you would go after politicians and not the top brass at large companies.

They are almost one in the same and they are deep in bed together.

You didn't see the site on the CEO's who'se companies lost money big time and were fired with 30 million dollar golden parachutes ?

Do you know what a contract is? Many people sign them when they assume a position.

The logical extension of that is that shareholders should not allow such stupid and corrupt contracts to be signed.

They do it for the same reason an NFL team will sign a $20,000,000 contract with a Quarterback. The company wanted to attract a person they felt would best run their business. Just like a QB may bust up his knees or shred his shoulder, a CEO may guess wrong and cost a company money in the long run. Both the Packers and General Electric are STILL bound by contract.

 

[Ernie S.]

If it is a privately held corporation. But in a publicly traded company, sotckholders have no way of stopping this kind of theft.

But there is no 'theft' involved in those mega salaries and I personally think it is ethically problematic to try to pressure a company that is not doing anything unethical. And it is purely voluntary whether or not we do business with a private business as opposed to whether we support the permanent political class in Washington who have the power to enrich themselves at our expense. IMO that is where you need to focus your anger and resentment.

And here we have a huge disconnect on the part of someone who obviously does not understand how this system works.

I find it almost hysterical (and I mean that) that you would go after politicians and not the top brass at large companies.

They are almost one in the same and they are deep in bed together.

You didn't see the site on the CEO's who'se companies lost money big time and were fired with 30 million dollar golden parachutes ?

I will say with a good deal of confidence that nobody on this thread or this site has a clue what I do and do not understand. Before you specify such assumption I would invite you to read over my Extortion thread. It was either to wordy to too tedious or too hard to understand to attract a lot of attention, but it spells it all out for anybody with an interest in the subject to see how Congress and big business interact.

But the guy with a golden parachute got it because it was written into his contract when he was made CEO of a company. It is no different that the severance pay I have been guaranteed when I went to work for somebody.

But let me ask you. Whose money it is that an executive gets paid. Yours? Mine? What is it to you what he or she gets paid?

If I am a stockholder...it is my money.

Now what was the question ?

Then attend the annual meeting and cast your vote. Be sure, however, you have a lot of shares of voting stock. There will be a few million other share holders with a better understanding of the business voting against you.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

If it is a privately held corporation. But in a publicly traded company, sotckholders have no way of stopping this kind of theft.

But there is no 'theft' involved in those mega salaries and I personally think it is ethically problematic to try to pressure a company that is not doing anything unethical. And it is purely voluntary whether or not we do business with a private business as opposed to whether we support the permanent political class in Washington who have the power to enrich themselves at our expense. IMO that is where you need to focus your anger and resentment.

And here we have a huge disconnect on the part of someone who obviously does not understand how this system works.

I find it almost hysterical (and I mean that) that you would go after politicians and not the top brass at large companies.

They are almost one in the same and they are deep in bed together.

You didn't see the site on the CEO's who'se companies lost money big time and were fired with 30 million dollar golden parachutes ?

I will say with a good deal of confidence that nobody on this thread or this site has a clue what I do and do not understand. Before you specify such assumption I would invite you to read over my Extortion thread. It was either to wordy to too tedious or too hard to understand to attract a lot of attention, but it spells it all out for anybody with an interest in the subject to see how Congress and big business interact.

But the guy with a golden parachute got it because it was written into his contract when he was made CEO of a company. It is no different that the severance pay I have been guaranteed when I went to work for somebody.

But let me ask you. Whose money it is that an executive gets paid. Yours? Mine? What is it to you what he or she gets paid?

If I am a stockholder...it is my money.

Now what was the question ?

Then attend the annual meeting and cast your vote. Be sure, however, you have a lot of shares of voting stock. There will be a few million other share holders with a better understanding of the business voting against you.

Yes, you always get a few million share holders at any meeting. They fit them all in an auditorium.

Next, you have the issues associated with having a great deal of stock loaded up in mutual funds. You might not even know what you own. Hence, only the more interested parties will vote (and they will often own a great deal of stock).

So...it's not so simple Ernie.

And while we are at it, let's talk about the CEO's who buddy up to the government and do things like help write regulations so they know what is in there and can make sure it is is harder for others to enter the market.

I am simply saying that it would be good to have this out on the table. If the average American investor is to stupid to pay attention or does not have the time...these kinds of abuses will go on.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

If it is a privately held corporation. But in a publicly traded company, sotckholders have no way of stopping this kind of theft.

But there is no 'theft' involved in those mega salaries and I personally think it is ethically problematic to try to pressure a company that is not doing anything unethical. And it is purely voluntary whether or not we do business with a private business as opposed to whether we support the permanent political class in Washington who have the power to enrich themselves at our expense. IMO that is where you need to focus your anger and resentment.

And here we have a huge disconnect on the part of someone who obviously does not understand how this system works.

I find it almost hysterical (and I mean that) that you would go after politicians and not the top brass at large companies.

They are almost one in the same and they are deep in bed together.

You didn't see the site on the CEO's who'se companies lost money big time and were fired with 30 million dollar golden parachutes ?

Do you know what a contract is? Many people sign them when they assume a position.

The logical extension of that is that shareholders should not allow such stupid and corrupt contracts to be signed.

They do it for the same reason an NFL team will sign a $20,000,000 contract with a Quarterback. The company wanted to attract a person they felt would best run their business. Just like a QB may bust up his knees or shred his shoulder, a CEO may guess wrong and cost a company money in the long run. Both the Packers and General Electric are STILL bound by contract.

Uh...do companies have a salary cap ?

I'd love to see something like that play out.

You might want to look a little further into how these companies pick their CEO's. Often time it is an incestuous little affair that involves knowing people on the board.

 

[Foxfyre]

If it is a privately held corporation. But in a publicly traded company, sotckholders have no way of stopping this kind of theft.

But there is no 'theft' involved in those mega salaries and I personally think it is ethically problematic to try to pressure a company that is not doing anything unethical. And it is purely voluntary whether or not we do business with a private business as opposed to whether we support the permanent political class in Washington who have the power to enrich themselves at our expense. IMO that is where you need to focus your anger and resentment.

And here we have a huge disconnect on the part of someone who obviously does not understand how this system works.

I find it almost hysterical (and I mean that) that you would go after politicians and not the top brass at large companies.

They are almost one in the same and they are deep in bed together.

You didn't see the site on the CEO's who'se companies lost money big time and were fired with 30 million dollar golden parachutes ?

I will say with a good deal of confidence that nobody on this thread or this site has a clue what I do and do not understand. Before you specify such assumption I would invite you to read over my Extortion thread. It was either to wordy to too tedious or too hard to understand to attract a lot of attention, but it spells it all out for anybody with an interest in the subject to see how Congress and big business interact.

But the guy with a golden parachute got it because it was written into his contract when he was made CEO of a company. It is no different that the severance pay I have been guaranteed when I went to work for somebody.

But let me ask you. Whose money it is that an executive gets paid. Yours? Mine? What is it to you what he or she gets paid?

If I am a stockholder...it is my money.

Now what was the question ?

Nobody forced you to buy the stock though. Nobody guaranteed you any return when you did. It's an educated gamble at best, and if you don't like what the CEO gets paid then why buy the stock? The wise investor researches the product she buys.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

If it is a privately held corporation. But in a publicly traded company, sotckholders have no way of stopping this kind of theft.

But there is no 'theft' involved in those mega salaries and I personally think it is ethically problematic to try to pressure a company that is not doing anything unethical. And it is purely voluntary whether or not we do business with a private business as opposed to whether we support the permanent political class in Washington who have the power to enrich themselves at our expense. IMO that is where you need to focus your anger and resentment.

And here we have a huge disconnect on the part of someone who obviously does not understand how this system works.

I find it almost hysterical (and I mean that) that you would go after politicians and not the top brass at large companies.

They are almost one in the same and they are deep in bed together.

You didn't see the site on the CEO's who'se companies lost money big time and were fired with 30 million dollar golden parachutes ?

I will say with a good deal of confidence that nobody on this thread or this site has a clue what I do and do not understand. Before you specify such assumption I would invite you to read over my Extortion thread. It was either to wordy to too tedious or too hard to understand to attract a lot of attention, but it spells it all out for anybody with an interest in the subject to see how Congress and big business interact.

But the guy with a golden parachute got it because it was written into his contract when he was made CEO of a company. It is no different that the severance pay I have been guaranteed when I went to work for somebody.

But let me ask you. Whose money it is that an executive gets paid. Yours? Mine? What is it to you what he or she gets paid?

Next time, you can link me to the thread you said you generated.

You are right...nobody knows what you do and don't understand. We do see what you post, however, and it clearly shows a disconnect.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

If it is a privately held corporation. But in a publicly traded company, sotckholders have no way of stopping this kind of theft.

But there is no 'theft' involved in those mega salaries and I personally think it is ethically problematic to try to pressure a company that is not doing anything unethical. And it is purely voluntary whether or not we do business with a private business as opposed to whether we support the permanent political class in Washington who have the power to enrich themselves at our expense. IMO that is where you need to focus your anger and resentment.

And here we have a huge disconnect on the part of someone who obviously does not understand how this system works.

I find it almost hysterical (and I mean that) that you would go after politicians and not the top brass at large companies.

They are almost one in the same and they are deep in bed together.

You didn't see the site on the CEO's who'se companies lost money big time and were fired with 30 million dollar golden parachutes ?

I will say with a good deal of confidence that nobody on this thread or this site has a clue what I do and do not understand. Before you specify such assumption I would invite you to read over my Extortion thread. It was either to wordy to too tedious or too hard to understand to attract a lot of attention, but it spells it all out for anybody with an interest in the subject to see how Congress and big business interact.

But the guy with a golden parachute got it because it was written into his contract when he was made CEO of a company. It is no different that the severance pay I have been guaranteed when I went to work for somebody.

But let me ask you. Whose money it is that an executive gets paid. Yours? Mine? What is it to you what he or she gets paid?

If I am a stockholder...it is my money.

Now what was the question ?

Nobody forced you to buy the stock though. Nobody guaranteed you any return when you did. It's an educated gamble at best, and if you don't like what the CEO gets paid then why buy the stock? The wise investor researches the product she buys.

I simply said that the money they paid the CEO and his top brass (as well as everyone else) is money I don't see in a dividend (or does not get re-invested).

I didn't say I begrudged it....what I said was that in some (more than some would care to admit) it is almost larceny.

Pray tell....did you think the Enron CEO and his top dogs (along with the Arthur Anderson people) were so bloody valuable ?

 

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Ok I am going to state a case for a number of issues in the context of a platform for the presidential candidate. 2 a guy this is your thread and if you don't want it to go this way please tell me. You won't hurt my feelings. It feels like a cocoon here and it inspires thought instead of frustration. But viewer warning, some of my suggestions may be controversial. But I do not subscribe to the pigeonholing of people to certain categories, or the myth that leadership cannot bond diverse opinions together.

Minimum wage. I think the min wage should go to 10 an hour but I think neither the person or the business should pay any taxes to the govt for the first year. All the money would go to the worker and the business would not be handicapped by increased taxes. More,people,would be hired. Republicans would look good.

Free Trade. I know this will sound simplistic but Jim Cramer on squawk on the street said it so succinctly. Trade deals have not worked. We have entered into all these trade deals and we still have a huge trade deficit. Trade has not helped this country but benefitted our competitors. Just quit it and focus on jobs in this country. This is an attention getter.

Immigration. I have said this before. Document all the illegals and give them a card with a big red line in it. They can get a drivers license and work and don't have to look over their shoulder. No citizenship, they can get in line like everyone else. No benefits, no welfare, no food stamps, but no hassle. Militarize the border and no one gets in illegally. People,who don't follow this plan get sent back immediately without fail.

Ceo pay. I have not figured out a way to punish companies for outrageous reimbursement without stepping on people's rights, so I think this is a case that will have to be waged by jawboning. Public pressure will,have to be brought to bear and you know what, it doesn't cost anything. It is not anti-conservative to point out the obscenity that is ceo pay. Some may call this demagoguery but this is exhibit A for income inequality which republicans have to talk about. Don't get me wrong about this, I think individuals should be rewarded for their efforts or their inventions or their talents or success they bring to their companies, but executives should have the humility to recognize they didn't do it alone and their employees deserve a mentor not a king.

Republicans have to be realists. But it is time to be creative not rigid. Focus the campaign on what is best for America not just what is comfortable for the base. New and improved anyone?

Yeah, thanks non republican for putting that crap in.

But it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS what a business pays their CEO. Did that ever occur to you?

If Chick Fil A or Sony wants to pay their CEO a million dollars an hour, that's their business AND NONE OF YOURS.

Welcome to a free country. People are free. Even to pay a CEO more than YOU think they are worth.

What is it with liberals that they can't stand someone else besides liberal politicians are making money!

If we are a stock holder...it darn well is our business.

How do you figure otherwise.