Report: EU building hundreds of illegal structures for Palestinians in Area C of West Bank

[TheOldSchool]

Wow how funny is this. Israel is complaining about illegal building

Are they trolling the world?

 

[Disir]

It's going to be real funny watching this.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Except Area C is still considered under Israel until the agreement has been reached. Hence, my last link.

Area C is occupied Palestinian territory.

Article 53.
TREATIES CONFLICTING WITH A PEREMPTORY NORM OF GENERAL INTERNATIONAL LAW ("JUS COGENS")
A treaty is void if, at the time of its conclusion, it conflicts with a peremptory norm of general international law.

https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume 1155/volume-1155-I-18232-English.pdf​

You can't duck the law by having someone sign a piece of paper.

Israel didn't duck the law here. The EU did. That's the problem.

How so?

Again. Area C is under Israeli control. The EU knows it and in fact used that in the prior paper. As it stands the EU did not get permits.

Where does it say that Israel is allowed to require permits to build on Palestinian land?

 

[Disir]

Area C is under Israeli control. Them's the facts. A permit is required. Even the EU recognizes this.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You might be surprised to know that the Israeli Position is predominately on the side that the Oslo Accords should be annulled.

Except Area C is still considered under Israel until the agreement has been reached. Hence, my last link.

Area C is occupied Palestinian territory.

Article 53.
TREATIES CONFLICTING WITH A PEREMPTORY NORM OF GENERAL INTERNATIONAL LAW ("JUS COGENS")
A treaty is void if, at the time of its conclusion, it conflicts with a peremptory norm of general international law.

https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume 1155/volume-1155-I-18232-English.pdf​

You can't duck the law by having someone sign a piece of paper.

(COMMENT)

Even Danny Danon (Member of the Knesset and the Deputy Defense Minister of Israel) said: "The dissolution of the Oslo Accords would serve as the official act validating what we already know — that this failed framework is totally irrelevant in 2013."

While I don't agree with Deputy Minister Danon, it is a perspective held by many credible Israelis. If the Oslo Accords are taken out of play, then there might be some unintended consequences.

• The sole jurisdiction for the Israelis in Area "C" is based on the Oslo Accords.
• The creation of the Palestinian Authority is base on the Oslo Accords.

There could be all sorts of latent consequence that might arise, give the annulment.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Area C is under Israeli control. Them's the facts. A permit is required. Even the EU recognizes this.

OK, if you say so.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You might be surprised to know that the Israeli Position is predominately on the side that the Oslo Accords should be annulled.

Except Area C is still considered under Israel until the agreement has been reached. Hence, my last link.

Area C is occupied Palestinian territory.

Article 53.
TREATIES CONFLICTING WITH A PEREMPTORY NORM OF GENERAL INTERNATIONAL LAW ("JUS COGENS")
A treaty is void if, at the time of its conclusion, it conflicts with a peremptory norm of general international law.

https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume 1155/volume-1155-I-18232-English.pdf​

You can't duck the law by having someone sign a piece of paper.

(COMMENT)

Even Danny Danon (Member of the Knesset and the Deputy Defense Minister of Israel) said: "The dissolution of the Oslo Accords would serve as the official act validating what we already know — that this failed framework is totally irrelevant in 2013."

While I don't agree with Deputy Minister Danon, it is a perspective held by many credible Israelis. If the Oslo Accords are taken out of play, then there might be some unintended consequences.

• The sole jurisdiction for the Israelis in Area "C" is based on the Oslo Accords.
• The creation of the Palestinian Authority is base on the Oslo Accords.

There could be all sorts of latent consequence that might arise, give the annulment.

Most Respectfully,
R

Many Palestinians disagreed to the Oslo Accords when they were signed but not ratified. When the truth came out on how bad they were, many more Palestinians disagree.

A new government was created by the 2003 Amended Basic Law. (constitution) Israel was not mentioned. Oslo was not mentioned. The occupation was not mentioned. No change in land or borders were mentioned. There was no mention of a West Bank or Gaza Strip. The people were the source of the government's legitimacy.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm not sure I agree with this in blanket form.

Many Palestinians disagreed to the Oslo Accords when they were signed but not ratified. When the truth came out on how bad they were, many more Palestinians disagree.

A new government was created by the 2003 Amended Basic Law. (constitution) Israel was not mentioned. Oslo was not mentioned. The occupation was not mentioned. No change in land or borders were mentioned. There was no mention of a West Bank or Gaza Strip. The people were the source of the government's legitimacy.

(COMMENT)

The Oslo Accords were signed by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). On 28 October 1974, the League of Arab States (LAS) held the 7th Arab League Summit Conference in Rabat, Morocco. During that conference, the LAS passed a Resolution that stated in part: "To affirm the right of the Palestinian people to establish an independent national authority under the command of the Palestine Liberation Organization, the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated. This authority, once it is established, shall enjoy the support of the Arab states in all fields and at all levels."

This is essentially how the Arab States established the Arab Higher Committee the organization (supreme executive body) that represented the Palestinian Arabs at the time of the Mandate termination.

As far as today's State of Palestine Government goes, it is not in accordance with the Amended Basis Law. This was the concern in the 1920's, the same concern in the 1940's, and the same concern in the 21st Century. The Arab Palestinian has yet to demonstrate that it can build and administer a state that can stand alone. There is yet conflict in the Palestinian State as to the legitimacy of the true government. In January 2006 elections were held in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. There have been no elections since (9 years).

If the assumption is that Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) is the legitimate government, then the region must accept that there will be no peace in the region between Israel and the Arab Palestinian because that is the declare Policy of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS).

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm not sure I agree with this in blanket form.

Many Palestinians disagreed to the Oslo Accords when they were signed but not ratified. When the truth came out on how bad they were, many more Palestinians disagree.

A new government was created by the 2003 Amended Basic Law. (constitution) Israel was not mentioned. Oslo was not mentioned. The occupation was not mentioned. No change in land or borders were mentioned. There was no mention of a West Bank or Gaza Strip. The people were the source of the government's legitimacy.

(COMMENT)

The Oslo Accords were signed by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). On 28 October 1974, the League of Arab States (LAS) held the 7th Arab League Summit Conference in Rabat, Morocco. During that conference, the LAS passed a Resolution that stated in part: "To affirm the right of the Palestinian people to establish an independent national authority under the command of the Palestine Liberation Organization, the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated. This authority, once it is established, shall enjoy the support of the Arab states in all fields and at all levels."

This is essentially how the Arab States established the Arab Higher Committee the organization (supreme executive body) that represented the Palestinian Arabs at the time of the Mandate termination.

As far as today's State of Palestine Government goes, it is not in accordance with the Amended Basis Law. This was the concern in the 1920's, the same concern in the 1940's, and the same concern in the 21st Century. The Arab Palestinian has yet to demonstrate that it can build and administer a state that can stand alone. There is yet conflict in the Palestinian State as to the legitimacy of the true government. In January 2006 elections were held in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. There have been no elections since (9 years).

If the assumption is that Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) is the legitimate government, then the region must accept that there will be no peace in the region between Israel and the Arab Palestinian because that is the declare Policy of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS).

Most Respectfully,
R

In January 2006 elections were held in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. There have been no elections since (9 years).

It is the US that is preventing elections.

 

[HenryBHough]

And the shareholders of Caterpillar salivate!

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

OK, it is always the fault of the US --- we are always to blame.

P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm not sure I agree with this in blanket form.

Many Palestinians disagreed to the Oslo Accords when they were signed but not ratified. When the truth came out on how bad they were, many more Palestinians disagree.

A new government was created by the 2003 Amended Basic Law. (constitution) Israel was not mentioned. Oslo was not mentioned. The occupation was not mentioned. No change in land or borders were mentioned. There was no mention of a West Bank or Gaza Strip. The people were the source of the government's legitimacy.

(COMMENT)

The Oslo Accords were signed by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). On 28 October 1974, the League of Arab States (LAS) held the 7th Arab League Summit Conference in Rabat, Morocco. During that conference, the LAS passed a Resolution that stated in part: "To affirm the right of the Palestinian people to establish an independent national authority under the command of the Palestine Liberation Organization, the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated. This authority, once it is established, shall enjoy the support of the Arab states in all fields and at all levels."

This is essentially how the Arab States established the Arab Higher Committee the organization (supreme executive body) that represented the Palestinian Arabs at the time of the Mandate termination.

As far as today's State of Palestine Government goes, it is not in accordance with the Amended Basis Law. This was the concern in the 1920's, the same concern in the 1940's, and the same concern in the 21st Century. The Arab Palestinian has yet to demonstrate that it can build and administer a state that can stand alone. There is yet conflict in the Palestinian State as to the legitimacy of the true government. In January 2006 elections were held in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. There have been no elections since (9 years).

If the assumption is that Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) is the legitimate government, then the region must accept that there will be no peace in the region between Israel and the Arab Palestinian because that is the declare Policy of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS).

Most Respectfully,
R

In January 2006 elections were held in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. There have been no elections since (9 years).

It is the US that is preventing elections.

(QUESTION)

How does the US interfere with the elections?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

OK, it is always the fault of the US --- we are always to blame.

P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm not sure I agree with this in blanket form.

Many Palestinians disagreed to the Oslo Accords when they were signed but not ratified. When the truth came out on how bad they were, many more Palestinians disagree.

A new government was created by the 2003 Amended Basic Law. (constitution) Israel was not mentioned. Oslo was not mentioned. The occupation was not mentioned. No change in land or borders were mentioned. There was no mention of a West Bank or Gaza Strip. The people were the source of the government's legitimacy.

(COMMENT)

The Oslo Accords were signed by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). On 28 October 1974, the League of Arab States (LAS) held the 7th Arab League Summit Conference in Rabat, Morocco. During that conference, the LAS passed a Resolution that stated in part: "To affirm the right of the Palestinian people to establish an independent national authority under the command of the Palestine Liberation Organization, the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated. This authority, once it is established, shall enjoy the support of the Arab states in all fields and at all levels."

This is essentially how the Arab States established the Arab Higher Committee the organization (supreme executive body) that represented the Palestinian Arabs at the time of the Mandate termination.

As far as today's State of Palestine Government goes, it is not in accordance with the Amended Basis Law. This was the concern in the 1920's, the same concern in the 1940's, and the same concern in the 21st Century. The Arab Palestinian has yet to demonstrate that it can build and administer a state that can stand alone. There is yet conflict in the Palestinian State as to the legitimacy of the true government. In January 2006 elections were held in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. There have been no elections since (9 years).

If the assumption is that Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) is the legitimate government, then the region must accept that there will be no peace in the region between Israel and the Arab Palestinian because that is the declare Policy of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS).

Most Respectfully,
R

In January 2006 elections were held in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. There have been no elections since (9 years).

It is the US that is preventing elections.

(QUESTION)

How does the US interfere with the elections?

Most Respectfully,
R

There is a constitutional procedure for electing a new president. The speaker of parliament is to temporarily assume the office of the president and call for elections within 60 days. The elections would be conducted by that new president.

The speaker of parliament is a member of Hamas. Is the US going to allow that to happen? There have been calls for elections outside of constitutional procedures that have been shot down by Hamas for obvious reasons.

 

[theliq]

The EU is establishing facts on the ground in the West Bank, building hundreds of illegal structures near Ma'ale Adumim and E1 which the government does not remove because it does not want a diplomatic tangle with the Europeans, according to a report released by Regavim.

This report is just one of a number that Regavim, a right-wing organization which describes itself as a “research backed, legal advocacy organization focused on land ownership issues,” has released in recent months.

According to the group, EU support for the Palestinians has in recent years moved from “passive diplomatic and financial assistance to a situation of active cooperation in illegal building which the Palestinian Authority has been advancing unilaterally since 2000, as part of its strategic plan to create a Palestinian state de facto, while avoiding the need for negotiations with Israel.”

This week, prior to its release of its newest report, Regavim took journalists to look at a number of Beduin encampments straddling E1 as well as the Jerusalem-Jericho road. These are not temporary tent encampments as they were in years past, but rather clusters that -- in addition to tents and tin shacks -- also include more permanent structures bearing the EU logo.

According to Ari Briggs, Regavim’s international relations director, the EU logo is placed on the structures in the belief that this will prevent Israel from demolishing them.

Israel will likely not take down a building with an EU logo, because of public relations damage this would cause, as well as concern for the harm this could cause to relations with the EU, he said.

Mak.-Gen Yoav Mordechai, the Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories (COGAT), was in Europe this week holding talks with high level EU officials, with this issue – according to one diplomatic source – one of the topics of his conversations.

A spokesperson for COGAT, referring to the Regavim charge that it is reluctant to take down the structures because of the EU involvement, said, “The Civil Administration acts against illegal construction, and no organization is exempt from enforcement. COGAT has sent official letters to embassies and international organizations cautioning them against building illegally in Judea and Samaria.”
Report EU building hundreds of illegal structures for Palestinians in Area C of West Bank - Arab-Israeli Conflict - Jerusalem Post

How's that water coming along?

How about the purchasing olive tree scam?

What a COMPLETE JOKE YOU ARE......after the tens of thousands of homes built for Jews on Palestinian Land and the Theft of other Palestinian Land..your comment has rightly been binned into the Trash Can of History.....More Dreadful Zionist Terrorist Hypocritical Garbage we can do without

 

[theliq]

P F Tinmore, et al,

OK, it is always the fault of the US --- we are always to blame.

P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm not sure I agree with this in blanket form.

Many Palestinians disagreed to the Oslo Accords when they were signed but not ratified. When the truth came out on how bad they were, many more Palestinians disagree.

A new government was created by the 2003 Amended Basic Law. (constitution) Israel was not mentioned. Oslo was not mentioned. The occupation was not mentioned. No change in land or borders were mentioned. There was no mention of a West Bank or Gaza Strip. The people were the source of the government's legitimacy.

(COMMENT)

The Oslo Accords were signed by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). On 28 October 1974, the League of Arab States (LAS) held the 7th Arab League Summit Conference in Rabat, Morocco. During that conference, the LAS passed a Resolution that stated in part: "To affirm the right of the Palestinian people to establish an independent national authority under the command of the Palestine Liberation Organization, the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated. This authority, once it is established, shall enjoy the support of the Arab states in all fields and at all levels."

This is essentially how the Arab States established the Arab Higher Committee the organization (supreme executive body) that represented the Palestinian Arabs at the time of the Mandate termination.

As far as today's State of Palestine Government goes, it is not in accordance with the Amended Basis Law. This was the concern in the 1920's, the same concern in the 1940's, and the same concern in the 21st Century. The Arab Palestinian has yet to demonstrate that it can build and administer a state that can stand alone. There is yet conflict in the Palestinian State as to the legitimacy of the true government. In January 2006 elections were held in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. There have been no elections since (9 years).

If the assumption is that Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) is the legitimate government, then the region must accept that there will be no peace in the region between Israel and the Arab Palestinian because that is the declare Policy of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS).

Most Respectfully,
R

In January 2006 elections were held in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. There have been no elections since (9 years).

It is the US that is preventing elections.

(QUESTION)

How does the US interfere with the elections?

Most Respectfully,
R

R U 4 Real !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!siam

 

[Phoenall]

"How about a non partisan source for your claim of Oslo having expired............."

Phoney, you are our greatest ally.

"JERUSALEM (CNN) -- Chanting "Statehood is our right," Palestinian protesters clashed with Israeli soldiers Tuesday as the expiration of the Oslo peace accords passed without the declaration of a Palestinian state."

CNN - Oslo accords expire without Palestinian state - May 4 1999

And then the Palestinians decided that they had not expired at all and demanded that Oslo 2 be implemented and Israel remove all Israeli presence from gaza as a precursor to peace talks. This was in 2005. Then in 2014 Abbas tried to use Oslo to force Israel to take over Palestine and annexe it as part of Israel, and failed in his attempt when Israel refused to do as he wanted.

 

[Phoenall]

The EU is establishing facts on the ground in the West Bank, building hundreds of illegal structures near Ma'ale Adumim and E1 which the government does not remove because it does not want a diplomatic tangle with the Europeans, according to a report released by Regavim.

This report is just one of a number that Regavim, a right-wing organization which describes itself as a “research backed, legal advocacy organization focused on land ownership issues,” has released in recent months.

According to the group, EU support for the Palestinians has in recent years moved from “passive diplomatic and financial assistance to a situation of active cooperation in illegal building which the Palestinian Authority has been advancing unilaterally since 2000, as part of its strategic plan to create a Palestinian state de facto, while avoiding the need for negotiations with Israel.”

This week, prior to its release of its newest report, Regavim took journalists to look at a number of Beduin encampments straddling E1 as well as the Jerusalem-Jericho road. These are not temporary tent encampments as they were in years past, but rather clusters that -- in addition to tents and tin shacks -- also include more permanent structures bearing the EU logo.

According to Ari Briggs, Regavim’s international relations director, the EU logo is placed on the structures in the belief that this will prevent Israel from demolishing them.

Israel will likely not take down a building with an EU logo, because of public relations damage this would cause, as well as concern for the harm this could cause to relations with the EU, he said.

Mak.-Gen Yoav Mordechai, the Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories (COGAT), was in Europe this week holding talks with high level EU officials, with this issue – according to one diplomatic source – one of the topics of his conversations.

A spokesperson for COGAT, referring to the Regavim charge that it is reluctant to take down the structures because of the EU involvement, said, “The Civil Administration acts against illegal construction, and no organization is exempt from enforcement. COGAT has sent official letters to embassies and international organizations cautioning them against building illegally in Judea and Samaria.”
Report EU building hundreds of illegal structures for Palestinians in Area C of West Bank - Arab-Israeli Conflict - Jerusalem Post

How's that water coming along?

How about the purchasing olive tree scam?

What a COMPLETE JOKE YOU ARE......after the tens of thousands of homes built for Jews on Palestinian Land and the Theft of other Palestinian Land..your comment has rightly been binned into the Trash Can of History.....More Dreadful Zionist Terrorist Hypocritical Garbage we can do without

Still waiting for you to show it is arab muslim land and to produce the treaty that handed them the title. I have seen the treaties that hand the land to the Jews, and they have become CUSTOMARY INTERNATIONAL LAW. So how could they steal something that was legally theirs in the first place ?

 

[Phoenall]

Wow how funny is this. Israel is complaining about illegal building

Are they trolling the world?

And can you produce the treaty that gave the land to the arab muslims, because I can produce the one that gives it to the Jews.

 

[Phoenall]

Except Area C is still considered under Israel until the agreement has been reached. Hence, my last link.

Area C is occupied Palestinian territory.

Article 53.
TREATIES CONFLICTING WITH A PEREMPTORY NORM OF GENERAL INTERNATIONAL LAW ("JUS COGENS")
A treaty is void if, at the time of its conclusion, it conflicts with a peremptory norm of general international law.

https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume 1155/volume-1155-I-18232-English.pdf​

You can't duck the law by having someone sign a piece of paper.

Israel didn't duck the law here. The EU did. That's the problem.

How so?

Again. Area C is under Israeli control. The EU knows it and in fact used that in the prior paper. As it stands the EU did not get permits.

Where does it say that Israel is allowed to require permits to build on Palestinian land?

In the treaties signed by Arafat on behalf of the palestinians

 

[P F Tinmore]

Area C is occupied Palestinian territory.

Article 53.
TREATIES CONFLICTING WITH A PEREMPTORY NORM OF GENERAL INTERNATIONAL LAW ("JUS COGENS")
A treaty is void if, at the time of its conclusion, it conflicts with a peremptory norm of general international law.

https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume 1155/volume-1155-I-18232-English.pdf​

You can't duck the law by having someone sign a piece of paper.

Israel didn't duck the law here. The EU did. That's the problem.

How so?

Again. Area C is under Israeli control. The EU knows it and in fact used that in the prior paper. As it stands the EU did not get permits.

Where does it say that Israel is allowed to require permits to build on Palestinian land?

In the treaties signed by Arafat on behalf of the palestinians

You are still ducking the question.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm not sure I agree with this in blanket form.

Many Palestinians disagreed to the Oslo Accords when they were signed but not ratified. When the truth came out on how bad they were, many more Palestinians disagree.

A new government was created by the 2003 Amended Basic Law. (constitution) Israel was not mentioned. Oslo was not mentioned. The occupation was not mentioned. No change in land or borders were mentioned. There was no mention of a West Bank or Gaza Strip. The people were the source of the government's legitimacy.

(COMMENT)

The Oslo Accords were signed by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). On 28 October 1974, the League of Arab States (LAS) held the 7th Arab League Summit Conference in Rabat, Morocco. During that conference, the LAS passed a Resolution that stated in part: "To affirm the right of the Palestinian people to establish an independent national authority under the command of the Palestine Liberation Organization, the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated. This authority, once it is established, shall enjoy the support of the Arab states in all fields and at all levels."

This is essentially how the Arab States established the Arab Higher Committee the organization (supreme executive body) that represented the Palestinian Arabs at the time of the Mandate termination.

As far as today's State of Palestine Government goes, it is not in accordance with the Amended Basis Law. This was the concern in the 1920's, the same concern in the 1940's, and the same concern in the 21st Century. The Arab Palestinian has yet to demonstrate that it can build and administer a state that can stand alone. There is yet conflict in the Palestinian State as to the legitimacy of the true government. In January 2006 elections were held in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. There have been no elections since (9 years).

If the assumption is that Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) is the legitimate government, then the region must accept that there will be no peace in the region between Israel and the Arab Palestinian because that is the declare Policy of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS).

Most Respectfully,
R

In January 2006 elections were held in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. There have been no elections since (9 years).

It is the US that is preventing elections.

HOW ? are they holding all the hamas elected representatives in solitary confinement so they cant call for an election. The only people stopping the elections from taking place are hamas because they know if they didn't they would lose their power and be executed to a man.