"Repeal The Second Amendment!"

[ChrisL]

In order for liberals to figure it out, they would first have to look up the definition of "criminal." Lol.

 

[pismoe]

aw well , its 2018 and the other day 17 people were murdered and thats out of a USA population of 310 million [2010 census] plus many millions of illegal aliens . Plus start arming teachers in gun free zones Alang .

 

[sartre play]

Sure there are people who want to ban all guns, just like there are people who think the earth is flat. is it possible that most people are just for responsible gun ownership. too many gun laws, let talk about breaking it down to just a few that work. (nothing will ever be 100%) could we work towards that?

 

[iceberg]

there is no god given right to anything, rights are what man has put up and chosen to defend

Not according to America's foundational documents.

great. then take our "god given rights" to another country, say n korea, and demand they honor them.

let me know how that goes.

What a silly, childish response. Do you deny the Founders considered certain rights as inalienable and God-given as part of the founding philosophy?

and if you don't believe in God, do you have no rights? and if God gives these out, why are they not the same in every country, even the ones who believe in God?

 

[iceberg]

then we need to get a different group of people together to resolve this and tell those who can't be reasonable to bugger off.

first and foremost our gov needs a month long training series to educate people on guns, laws on the books, history, their use, hands on, and so forth. but this isn't to buy a guy, this is to be on the committee to fix our gun laws. there should in NO WAY be any politizing this. no colorado senators saying magazines will be thrown away after being used. if you are not gun and gun laws/history educated, you need to sit the **** down and shut up.

if you EVER tried to outlaw green tipped bullets as armor piercing, you need to sit the **** down and shut up cause you lie and can't be trusted in this.

we need educated people to review what we can do to address the situation. from what i can tell deeper background checks are needed, not more laws. i'm pretty sure every person who's shot up a school was breaking the law so more laws are not going to help.

gun crimes need harsher penalties including losing the right to buy guns. caught w/an illegal gun after this jail time. period. let the pot smokers out and send them to colorado or california to go be happy and out of the way and use these resources to crack down on guns laws.

but we need to address how we educate our kids to and what happened along the way to become so desensitized to the value of life? this isn't just a gun issue it's a society issue and we have to address the problems that make kids reach for guns in as much as make them harder to get.

Again, the other side can't be trusted to be reasonable, so anything more we give them will be exploited towards their overall goal of an unarmed populace.

again - then where do we go from here? sitting around saying WE DON'T TRUST YOU is only going to go so far.

---------------------------------------------------------------------- can't do much , GunOwners have RIGHTS . Stand on those Legal RIGHTS and don't give an inch , be ready and see what happens .

those rights are there because we agree to them and do in fact, defend them. but *we the people* can and do change our rights all the time. there is no god given right to anything, rights are what man has put up and chosen to defend. you can either work to resolve issues you're perceived to be a part of or you can stand that ground until they take that ground away.

------------------------------------------------------------------ I'm not dealing with you progressives . [if i recall you are a lefty] Anyway , Americans have RIGHTS and that should be where the line is and i am willing to test Legal RIGHTS and see what happens . Lefties can't be trusted as they always want more Iceberg . [are you going to the NRA Convention in Dallas in a couple of weeks Iceberg]

pretty conservative dude.

and no. i got tired of the NRA asking for $$$ every month.

 

[iceberg]

again - then where do we go from here? sitting around saying WE DON'T TRUST YOU is only going to go so far.

A tangible example they won't take things too far.

Repeal NYC's sullivan law and let law abiding citizens get a revolver without going through hoops.

that's another issue that clogs this up - states can and will pass their own laws.

And those laws cannot be against the constitution. NYC's law is obviously infringement, but a case has never reached far enough up the courts to do anything about it.

then that would be up to someone in new york to push if it bugged them that much.

it's been tried over and over and it dies in lower courts.

then that would be up to them to determine their own gun laws. now is that a good or bad thing?

 

[ChrisL]

Nobody gives out natural rights. We are BORN with them. They are an inherent part of being a human being.

 

[iceberg]

then we need to get a different group of people together to resolve this and tell those who can't be reasonable to bugger off.

first and foremost our gov needs a month long training series to educate people on guns, laws on the books, history, their use, hands on, and so forth. but this isn't to buy a guy, this is to be on the committee to fix our gun laws. there should in NO WAY be any politizing this. no colorado senators saying magazines will be thrown away after being used. if you are not gun and gun laws/history educated, you need to sit the **** down and shut up.

if you EVER tried to outlaw green tipped bullets as armor piercing, you need to sit the **** down and shut up cause you lie and can't be trusted in this.

we need educated people to review what we can do to address the situation. from what i can tell deeper background checks are needed, not more laws. i'm pretty sure every person who's shot up a school was breaking the law so more laws are not going to help.

gun crimes need harsher penalties including losing the right to buy guns. caught w/an illegal gun after this jail time. period. let the pot smokers out and send them to colorado or california to go be happy and out of the way and use these resources to crack down on guns laws.

but we need to address how we educate our kids to and what happened along the way to become so desensitized to the value of life? this isn't just a gun issue it's a society issue and we have to address the problems that make kids reach for guns in as much as make them harder to get.

Again, the other side can't be trusted to be reasonable, so anything more we give them will be exploited towards their overall goal of an unarmed populace.

again - then where do we go from here? sitting around saying WE DON'T TRUST YOU is only going to go so far.

---------------------------------------------------------------------- can't do much , GunOwners have RIGHTS . Stand on those Legal RIGHTS and don't give an inch , be ready and see what happens .

those rights are there because we agree to them and do in fact, defend them. but *we the people* can and do change our rights all the time. there is no god given right to anything, rights are what man has put up and chosen to defend. you can either work to resolve issues you're perceived to be a part of or you can stand that ground until they take that ground away.

The only way to change them is 2/3 of Congress (or conventions) and 3/4 of the States.

anything else is an end run.

And rights are inherent in man, regardless of the source, the only thing the constitution does is prevent government from interfering in them.

Without that, your other option is to fight.

then again, go to another country and demand your "rights" as we define them here.

we have them because we decide on what they are and we defend them to the death. pretty much all there is to it.

 

[rightwinger]

GUNS are a RIGHT , driving a car on public roads is a privilege as you acknowledge Alang .

But there still are rules and limitations on guns

The extent is what is up for discussion

 

[jc456]

The FFs didn't intend to protect self-propelled bullet, just musket balls and black powder. Go for it.

It Second Amendment doesn't indicate anything about bullet's, muskets or black powder.
Nothing you can suggest will make it identify something it doesn't.

If you don't like what it does, or doesn't state ... Then you are going to have to change it ...

.

Why change something that works so well? What's a few mass shootings at schools every now and then between gun lovers?

so typical. LOL. sorry sorry person aren't you? you have no idea what you discuss.

 

[rightwinger]

Nobody gives out natural rights. We are BORN with them. They are an inherent part of being a human being.

Not really

Billions of people are born without those rights

 

[ChrisL]

Nobody gives out natural rights. We are BORN with them. They are an inherent part of being a human being.

Not really

Billions of people are born without those rights

Because of their governments oppressing them.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Let's just change the entire Bill of Rights to the Bill of Privileges.

Or admit we don't live in the 18th century.

We don't it's much more dangerous now than it was then

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Michael Moore has just been outed as a Russian agent. Of course he wants us disarmed.

 

[pismoe]

GUNS are a RIGHT , driving a car on public roads is a privilege as you acknowledge Alang .

But there still are rules and limitations on guns

The extent is what is up for discussion

------------------------------------------------- well , thats what YOU say and advocate while others oppse what you say and advocate . I simply call for legal opposition for any measure that YOU want RWinger !!

 

[Skull Pilot]

Nobody gives out natural rights. We are BORN with them. They are an inherent part of being a human being.

Not really

Billions of people are born without those rights

That's their problem

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Nobody gives out natural rights. We are BORN with them. They are an inherent part of being a human being.

Not really

Billions of people are born without those rights

Because of their governments oppressing them.

Did these governments ban guns? Winger won't grasp it

 

[alang1216]

i am not for changing things because of a current problem .

Unique philosophy you have there. When are you for changing things, only when they are not broken?

 

[ChrisL]

Let's face it. There are always going to be whackos among us. And those whackos who are willing to commit mass murders are not going to follow laws. They will get their weapons some other way, through illegal means. The demand for weapons will rise on the black market and these guns are NOT traceable and there will be NO background checks. You will create just another crisis like the heroin epidemic.

You people who are afraid of your fellow law abiding citizens owning guns are the REAL gun nuts. Your FEAR should not trump MY rights.

 

[pismoe]

Nobody gives out natural rights. We are BORN with them. They are an inherent part of being a human being.

Not really

Billions of people are born without those rights

---------------------------------------------- and thats pretty funny and part of the reason that it cool to be an American with being an Older American being the best situation RWinger