"Repeal The Second Amendment!"

[jc456]

We appear to actually be moving towards a tipping point here. Maybe we really have finally had enough.

If conservatives continue to play this libertarian all-or-nothing game, I suspect they're going to regret it.

What "all or nothing"

All the compromise so far has been done on or forced on 2nd amendment people.

It will ultimately be decided at the ballot box.

The direction of public sentiment right now is pretty clear.
.

The 2nd amendment will live, it damn near takes an act of god to change. Some controls will be enacted relating to mental health issues and age, but most people deemed sane and old enough will always be able to purchase a gun.

I included age because there are now rumblings in Florida to raise the age for rifles, but I will go back to when I was 18 and argue if I am old enough to go to war I am old enough to drink alcohol. I know it's not the same but the theory is still there and if I was going to war at 18 I'd certainly want to be able to purchase a gun. Maybe we just give shrinks more patients and do a complete mental exam before you can purchase. No one knows the answer's but for the 2nd amendment it will remain unchanged.

If you are expelled from a high school, your name should go on a list for the background check.

No, everyone should be subject to background checks.

dude, you've been stu'd. what did I write? I said add that to the check list. hly fk you do have comprehension skills.

 

[jc456]

It will ultimately be decided at the ballot box.

The direction of public sentiment right now is pretty clear.
.

The 2nd amendment will live, it damn near takes an act of god to change. Some controls will be enacted relating to mental health issues and age, but most people deemed sane and old enough will always be able to purchase a gun.

I included age because there are now rumblings in Florida to raise the age for rifles, but I will go back to when I was 18 and argue if I am old enough to go to war I am old enough to drink alcohol. I know it's not the same but the theory is still there and if I was going to war at 18 I'd certainly want to be able to purchase a gun. Maybe we just give shrinks more patients and do a complete mental exam before you can purchase. No one knows the answer's but for the 2nd amendment it will remain unchanged.

If you are expelled from a high school, your name should go on a list for the background check.

You have a point there, but what about fired employees? There have been a lot of work place shootings after someone has been fired. Maybe any kid on any kind of psych drugs? Then you run into hippa, but maybe it's time hippa be changed, we didn't have it before 1996.

fired or laid off? there is a difference.

Fired.

I'm good with that as well. however, that is a bit tougher for me.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Here's another one blabbering.

Michael Moore Calls for Repeal of 'Ancient & Outdated' 2nd Amendment

/----/
Paul Manafort’s house got raided by the FBI in the middle of the night looking for Russians... FBI had multiple warnings about Florida shooter. He was expelled, posted guns on Instagram, and said he was going to be a school shooter. No raid for him. FBI is seriously screwed up.

You want the feds to be able to confiscate your guns if you post gun pictures on Instagram?

nope, want them to visit the individual pull them in for questioning, have them take a mental exam. How's that?

/——/ And Michael Moore-on can write and score the mental exam. He’s impartial, right

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

there is no god given right to anything, rights are what man has put up and chosen to defend

Not according to America's foundational documents.

great. then take our "god given rights" to another country, say n korea, and demand they honor them.

let me know how that goes.

What a silly, childish response. Do you deny the Founders considered certain rights as inalienable and God-given as part of the founding philosophy?

That was nothing more than invoking a supernatural justification for having a government that would protect certain rights...

...rights whose existence would be decided by Men, not God,

What a silly, childish response. Your history is quite thin.

 

[NYcarbineer]

there is no god given right to anything, rights are what man has put up and chosen to defend

Not according to America's foundational documents.

great. then take our "god given rights" to another country, say n korea, and demand they honor them.

let me know how that goes.

What a silly, childish response. Do you deny the Founders considered certain rights as inalienable and God-given as part of the founding philosophy?

That was nothing more than invoking a supernatural justification for having a government that would protect certain rights...

...rights whose existence would be decided by Men, not God,

What a silly, childish response. Your history is quite thin.

You have the list of rights that God gave us? And proof he gave them to us?

 

[jc456]

Here's another one blabbering.

Michael Moore Calls for Repeal of 'Ancient & Outdated' 2nd Amendment

/----/
Paul Manafort’s house got raided by the FBI in the middle of the night looking for Russians... FBI had multiple warnings about Florida shooter. He was expelled, posted guns on Instagram, and said he was going to be a school shooter. No raid for him. FBI is seriously screwed up.

You want the feds to be able to confiscate your guns if you post gun pictures on Instagram?

nope, want them to visit the individual pull them in for questioning, have them take a mental exam. How's that?

/——/ And Michael Moore-on can write and score the mental exam. He’s impartial, right

he's the most mental midget I've ever seen.

 

[Rustic]

We appear to actually be moving towards a tipping point here. Maybe we really have finally had enough.

If conservatives continue to play this libertarian all-or-nothing game, I suspect they're going to regret it.

What "all or nothing"

All the compromise so far has been done on or forced on 2nd amendment people.

It will ultimately be decided at the ballot box.

The direction of public sentiment right now is pretty clear.
.

The 2nd amendment will live, it damn near takes an act of god to change. Some controls will be enacted relating to mental health issues and age, but most people deemed sane and old enough will always be able to purchase a gun.

I included age because there are now rumblings in Florida to raise the age for rifles, but I will go back to when I was 18 and argue if I am old enough to go to war I am old enough to drink alcohol. I know it's not the same but the theory is still there and if I was going to war at 18 I'd certainly want to be able to purchase a gun. Maybe we just give shrinks more patients and do a complete mental exam before you can purchase. No one knows the answer's but for the 2nd amendment it will remain unchanged.

the ultimate goal of the progressives is to get rid of the second and tenth amendment, They will not except anything less.

 

[debbiedowner]

I suspect in Florida something will be enacted this legislative season because Hoffman very wealthy Republican real estate magnate is withholding any campaign funds from Scott and other's. Scott wants to run for senate but won't have his money or backing if something isn't done now.

 

[jc456]

Not according to America's foundational documents.

great. then take our "god given rights" to another country, say n korea, and demand they honor them.

let me know how that goes.

What a silly, childish response. Do you deny the Founders considered certain rights as inalienable and God-given as part of the founding philosophy?

That was nothing more than invoking a supernatural justification for having a government that would protect certain rights...

...rights whose existence would be decided by Men, not God,

What a silly, childish response. Your history is quite thin.

You have the list of rights that God gave us? And proof he gave them to us?

I have the list that are in the constitution. and 2nd amendment is there. right to life is not.

 

[ChrisL]

Not according to America's foundational documents.

great. then take our "god given rights" to another country, say n korea, and demand they honor them.

let me know how that goes.

What a silly, childish response. Do you deny the Founders considered certain rights as inalienable and God-given as part of the founding philosophy?

That was nothing more than invoking a supernatural justification for having a government that would protect certain rights...

...rights whose existence would be decided by Men, not God,

What a silly, childish response. Your history is quite thin.

You have the list of rights that God gave us? And proof he gave them to us?

They are not rights "given". They are inherent rights. The right to fight for my life if I'm being attacked isn't something that I need YOU to be okay with. I will fight for my life whether you approve of my methods or not. THAT is the idea behind the 2nd amendment. You don't get a say in how I defend my life or property. That is up to me and me alone.

 

[debbiedowner]

We appear to actually be moving towards a tipping point here. Maybe we really have finally had enough.

If conservatives continue to play this libertarian all-or-nothing game, I suspect they're going to regret it.

What "all or nothing"

All the compromise so far has been done on or forced on 2nd amendment people.

It will ultimately be decided at the ballot box.

The direction of public sentiment right now is pretty clear.
.

The 2nd amendment will live, it damn near takes an act of god to change. Some controls will be enacted relating to mental health issues and age, but most people deemed sane and old enough will always be able to purchase a gun.

I included age because there are now rumblings in Florida to raise the age for rifles, but I will go back to when I was 18 and argue if I am old enough to go to war I am old enough to drink alcohol. I know it's not the same but the theory is still there and if I was going to war at 18 I'd certainly want to be able to purchase a gun. Maybe we just give shrinks more patients and do a complete mental exam before you can purchase. No one knows the answer's but for the 2nd amendment it will remain unchanged.

the ultimate goal of the progressives is to get rid of the second and tenth amendment, They will not except anything less.

I don't think so I now many that have several guns and wants their right to purchase. I think you read too many right wing news propaganda. Yes, there is the fringe but if I had to bet my life I'd say the majority are on the 2nd amendments side.

 

[JoeMoma]

Here's another one blabbering.

Michael Moore Calls for Repeal of 'Ancient & Outdated' 2nd Amendment

The 2nd Amendment isn't going anywhere. Quit fearmongering. You sound ridiculous.

It's going to stay in the constitution. However, it may become eroded by case law made by the courts. In other words, "banana" can mean "pineapple" if the supreme court decides to call it that way.

 

[debbiedowner]

We appear to actually be moving towards a tipping point here. Maybe we really have finally had enough.

If conservatives continue to play this libertarian all-or-nothing game, I suspect they're going to regret it.

What "all or nothing"

All the compromise so far has been done on or forced on 2nd amendment people.

It will ultimately be decided at the ballot box.

The direction of public sentiment right now is pretty clear.
.

The 2nd amendment will live, it damn near takes an act of god to change. Some controls will be enacted relating to mental health issues and age, but most people deemed sane and old enough will always be able to purchase a gun.

I included age because there are now rumblings in Florida to raise the age for rifles, but I will go back to when I was 18 and argue if I am old enough to go to war I am old enough to drink alcohol. I know it's not the same but the theory is still there and if I was going to war at 18 I'd certainly want to be able to purchase a gun. Maybe we just give shrinks more patients and do a complete mental exam before you can purchase. No one knows the answer's but for the 2nd amendment it will remain unchanged.

the ultimate goal of the progressives is to get rid of the second and tenth amendment, They will not except anything less.

I'd say the opposite on the 10th.

 

[BlackSand]

Well, one of us is wrong, I guess. We'll see soon enough.

I have no doubt that YOU have your finger on the pulse of the American people.
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The state where I live recently passed an amendment to our State Constitution that strengthened our stance on Second Amendment rights.
That required a vote by the People in order to approve the Amendment.

I may not know what the pulse of America is on the issue ... But it is obvious how the People in my state feel about the matter (it passed with 79% supporting).
Which is exactly why others want to make it a Federal issue ... Because if you leave it up to the People here the answer is clear.

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[Rustic]

We appear to actually be moving towards a tipping point here. Maybe we really have finally had enough.

If conservatives continue to play this libertarian all-or-nothing game, I suspect they're going to regret it.

What "all or nothing"

All the compromise so far has been done on or forced on 2nd amendment people.

It will ultimately be decided at the ballot box.

The direction of public sentiment right now is pretty clear.
.

The 2nd amendment will live, it damn near takes an act of god to change. Some controls will be enacted relating to mental health issues and age, but most people deemed sane and old enough will always be able to purchase a gun.

I included age because there are now rumblings in Florida to raise the age for rifles, but I will go back to when I was 18 and argue if I am old enough to go to war I am old enough to drink alcohol. I know it's not the same but the theory is still there and if I was going to war at 18 I'd certainly want to be able to purchase a gun. Maybe we just give shrinks more patients and do a complete mental exam before you can purchase. No one knows the answer's but for the 2nd amendment it will remain unchanged.

the ultimate goal of the progressives is to get rid of the second and tenth amendment, They will not except anything less.

I don't think so I now many that have several guns and wants their right to purchase. I think you read too many right wing news propaganda. Yes, there is the fringe but if I had to bet my life I'd say the majority are on the 2nd amendments side.

There is no such thing as a progressive that is in favor of the second amendment and the 10th amendment for that matter.
They will not be satisfied until all freedom and individuality is put in an Orwellian state...

 

[Taz]

Just outlaw bullet, there’s no Constitutional protection for bullets, as bullets as we know them didn’t exist back then, so the FFs couldn’t have protected them.

The Supreme Court has already ruled actions that hinder the ability to exercise a Constitutionally protected right are also Unconstitutional ...

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The FFs didn't intend to protect self-propelled bullet, just musket balls and black powder. Go for it.

 

[NYcarbineer]

great. then take our "god given rights" to another country, say n korea, and demand they honor them.

let me know how that goes.

What a silly, childish response. Do you deny the Founders considered certain rights as inalienable and God-given as part of the founding philosophy?

That was nothing more than invoking a supernatural justification for having a government that would protect certain rights...

...rights whose existence would be decided by Men, not God,

What a silly, childish response. Your history is quite thin.

You have the list of rights that God gave us? And proof he gave them to us?

They are not rights "given". They are inherent rights. The right to fight for my life if I'm being attacked isn't something that I need YOU to be okay with. I will fight for my life whether you approve of my methods or not. THAT is the idea behind the 2nd amendment. You don't get a say in how I defend my life or property. That is up to me and me alone.

That's sheer nonsense.

First of all, according to the Declaration of Independence, the rights aren't 'inherent', they were GIVEN by God,

aka 'endowed by our Creator'.

If you believe God GAVE you your rights, then presumably you accept that God could take them away.

 

[hazlnut]

Here's another one blabbering.

Michael Moore Calls for Repeal of 'Ancient & Outdated' 2nd Amendment

Gun companies make too much money off it.

It is protected by the huge profits of the A-15, the mods, and ammo sales--the #1 profit center of the guns and ammo industry.

That's what this is about, nothing else.

Your "freedoms" were never jeopardy, and will never be in jeopardy. England is not coming to take back Boston. Jack-booted thugs and Ruby Ridge is mostly mythology, scary stories libertarians tell their children.

The notion that we need to be armed to keep the Government in check is false -- we are the Government. The Government is who? People who live in your town, go to your church, have kids on your little league team... they are not your enemy. They are you (us). Both sides, Dems and GOPs engage in this Government as the Other thinking for political posturing. Government workers go home, cook dinner, watch TV. They don't sit around thinking about how to take away your Freedoms. The NRA does however sit around thinking of ways to make you think the Government may one day come after your "freedoms"...

A consumer consumption driven world power is not going to saw off its own legs by engaging in some police state "gun grab" -- that's ******* idiotic. But making people think that some day the big bad Gov will knock on their door and take away their "freedoms"... Believe me, they want you free to buy, buy, buy... bigger clips mean you must buy and consume more ammo... $$$$$$


The 2nd Amendment is as obsolete as the 3rd. (do you even know what that is).

But the 2nd Amendment is never going away because the guns and ammo industry will never allow that. If people realized they only need guns for hunting and home defense -- sales would dip, gun corps stocks would go down, and people would spend their money on stuff they actually need...

 

[NYcarbineer]

What "all or nothing"

All the compromise so far has been done on or forced on 2nd amendment people.

It will ultimately be decided at the ballot box.

The direction of public sentiment right now is pretty clear.
.

The 2nd amendment will live, it damn near takes an act of god to change. Some controls will be enacted relating to mental health issues and age, but most people deemed sane and old enough will always be able to purchase a gun.

I included age because there are now rumblings in Florida to raise the age for rifles, but I will go back to when I was 18 and argue if I am old enough to go to war I am old enough to drink alcohol. I know it's not the same but the theory is still there and if I was going to war at 18 I'd certainly want to be able to purchase a gun. Maybe we just give shrinks more patients and do a complete mental exam before you can purchase. No one knows the answer's but for the 2nd amendment it will remain unchanged.

the ultimate goal of the progressives is to get rid of the second and tenth amendment, They will not except anything less.

I don't think so I now many that have several guns and wants their right to purchase. I think you read too many right wing news propaganda. Yes, there is the fringe but if I had to bet my life I'd say the majority are on the 2nd amendments side.

There is no such thing as a progressive that is in favor of the second amendment and the 10th amendment for that matter.
They will not be satisfied until all freedom and individuality is put in an Orwellian state...

Stop continuing to make a fool of yourself; you finished that job long ago.

 

[jc456]

Just outlaw bullet, there’s no Constitutional protection for bullets, as bullets as we know them didn’t exist back then, so the FFs couldn’t have protected them.

The Supreme Court has already ruled actions that hinder the ability to exercise a Constitutionally protected right are also Unconstitutional ...

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The FFs didn't intend to protect self-propelled bullet, just musket balls and black powder. Go for it.

again, you're wrong. Thomas Jefferson had a gun that was multiple shot. you don't know what you talk about.

Thomas Jefferson’s “Assault Rifle” - The Girardoni Air Rifle
"The Girardoni air rifle was 22-shot, magazine-fed, nearly silent .46 caliber repeating rifle adopted in 1780 by the Austrian Army. Thomas Jefferson purchased two of these rifles, which he sent west with Lewis and Clark."