What doesn't happen with appointed Senators is out-of-control federal spending and bureaucratic bloat, as apportionment meant that state agencies were the ones collecting and forwarding all federal taxes....Hence, Senators had very strong motivation to keep the HoR in check and the feds in their box.
Since the passage of the 16th and 17th Amendments, the size of the federal gubmint has swelled from a scant few percent of GDP to very nearly 1/4....This is no coincidence.
Nonsense...
The era of the 1800s were some of the most corrupt in our history. An appointed Senator has no worries about facing the taxpayer and accounting for his performance. All he has to do is ensure that his party remains in power at the state level.
The federal government has swelled since the early 1900s because we became a modern democracy and a global superpower. The well being of the people is much better than it was in the 19th century you covet
You're changing the nature of the argument.
Nobody here said that appointed Senators wouldn't be subject to corruption...As though the clear corruption going on today is any better a deal.
The point is that state legislature appointment of Senators was a check and balance against federal bureaucracy and spending getting out of control and consuming as much of the GDP as it is today....A check against federal power that was removed by the 17th Amendment.
Your assertion that America became a "modern democracy" is notwithstanding...
Mob rule is mob rule, no matter the time frame involved.
A model of this is punctuated by a House Speaker misusing power to demand that Congress not worry about what's written in the 5-ream mass of papers the Health Care bill was, just pass.
Huh?
That's Congress gone haywire. Then popularly-elected majority Senators did likewise because corrupt election officials in Minnesota took away a Republican seat by "finding just enough votes" for their Democrat candidate to "win". Votes that weren't cast before the end of the voting was completed. The whine and scream on the left was "the right doesn't want these 'lost' votes to count," and of course, the manufactured votes were crammed down America's throat to give the far leftest former Senator, President Barack Obama his bill, that lacked public scrutiny from its massive size.
That was a crime against America disguised as something good for old folks and uninsured children. It will cost trillions of dollars.
Insuring those people would have cost less than 30 million dollars.
The padding in the bill will put a very fewpeople with a lot of spending money in their pockets.
That's because there was not a state-appointed Senate who would have seen through that nation-breaker. The nation breaker part is unionization of all medical personnel in the USA to strike, leave the sick while they take hiatus to riot, and paying customers still paying a premium to be last in line.
I visited an Obama-run IRS office last year. I arrived when the doors opened, was given a ticket after waiting for 2 hours on bone spurred feet to get a calling ticket. My ticket was the last ticket called at 4:30. Those people wanted to go home, so they called the last person who sat in that office for another 6 hours after getting out of the line. They called all the people who arrived after me before me, and others near me, too. Their claim was that my request was "complicated." 15 minutes after I sat down with an irs agent, my question was answered, I signed the necessary form and was sent out the door with my taxes paid and my business was done.
That's a change for the better?
I saw this: while I waited all day, people were taking half hour breaks in the morning with someone coming around to do their job while they went to coffee. I saw lunch rotations, and an hour later, more half-hour breaks.
The people who worked were having a lark. 150 people, some of who were in as much pain as me, were treated like wallpaper someone would rather not look at.
Feh.
